1670hp compound turbo 2 rotor powered by FuelTech!
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- Blackout RX-8 owned by Master Painting Peter and built / tuned by Abel Burgos, came to our hub dyno to develop and test his new Garrett 106mm and 88mm compound turbo setup. Anderson Dick from FuelTech explains!
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at the beginning of the video edit about 0.975 sec footage out Mr. Anderson was not on cue
Why does the small turbo go after the big turbo?
@@batman9592 The second turbo is smaller most likely because its job is to multiply the existing pressure in the system from the larger unit which has the duty of compresing atmospheric pressure and then some.
Copy cats
I don’t think I have ever saw an aftermarket ecu company grow at this rate. That says something about the product. I haven’t gotten my hands on one yet but I will say that have f the ecu and dash together is a genius thought. Keep up the good work fueltech!
Putting the ECU in the dash cluster also eliminates a lot of wiring. I think because of how good electronics have gotten in general with size and all would make it easier to get away with this today. With data buses getting rid of a lot of extra wiring also.
Motec just buy motec proven reliability world wide industry leader. FACT
Those turbo have rotary engine attached to it
Congrats that's one tuff setup imagine a 20b or 26b ! Set up. inst it crazy how an old diesel turbo set up is now dominating
Trev Ohlson its really hard to get a 4 rotor to make good and reliable power.
The ones that are, aren’t telling how they did it, the ones that are saying how they did it are struggling to keep them running.
Both 3 and 4 rotors are super expensive. The fastest 1/4 mile rotary is a 3-rotor built by a Puerto Rican crew with an RX-8 that ran 6.3 IIRC, taking PACs record of 6.4
@@rotor13 fastest rotary is now 6.08
@@rotor13 no lie about 3 and 3rotors being super expensive!!!
@@ferrarikingdom Loquito Killer RX8 20-B Wankel (3 Rotor) ♻️♻️♻️ e.t. 6.06 @ 232 mph.
The more rotors the less efficient because the eccentrics bend, because they are longer and although they are thousandths of an inch but, still so affects the engine.
You guys are Wizards with tuning and having in house Dyno experts just makes the perfect setup. Great sense of humour too.
usaly 100hp per litre is pretty good
this is more than 1000hp per litre
geen naam The engine is a Wankel 13-B of 1.3 litre 1,308 centimeter cubic. Produce 362 hp after 100% of 1hp of 1cc. 133% aprox.
A 13bs 1308cc is the volume of two rotor chambers and is how much air it moves with only one rotation of the eccentric shaft, when the eccentric is rotated twice like 4 stroke piston engines are measured it displaces 2616cc
@@Mrshotshell 2.6 Litre is 26-B *(4 Rotors) ♻️ 💁🏽♂️ ♻️The Rotor, if it has 3 sides (vertex), but it also has 2 ports without valves (nothing blocks it) then there will always be one side unsealed and basically function 2 chamber; As (Side A) advances to complete the 360 ° cycle, (Side B) It goes halfway through the cycle, It is not yet ready to generate power, but it is in process; while (Side C) goes through the exhaust ports unloading everything and then goes on to load.
It is assumed that this is how it is analyzed, according to how it is structured and how it behaves and not adding each camera or multiplying by two that only Mazda did it to be able to sell a higher price because it has An engine of less displacement than those of its category and in Japan it is a requirement but there is no way because this engine does not store Kinetic Energy, or Electric Energy, so that it is 1.3 liters, An engine of less displacement than those of its category and in Japan it is a requirement but there is no way because this engine does not store Kinetic Energy, or Electric Generator, to put a size that is too large you can put a 13-B Wankel engine in a SMART CAR without cutting its Fire Wall, but try to put a 2.6 liter for example from Mitsubishi. 🤷🏽♂️
@@rotarymotion120 not really, a wankel engines displacement is always double that
@@3xoticG4m3r That's what they say, but mechanical engineers have no basis and foundation of theory when they measure and they conclude that it is 13-B and they do not find a way for the engine to reach a larger size beyond being more efficient and free for both intake and exhaust and this is so due to the absence of valves and they conclude that it is 13-B and they do not find a way for the engine to reach a larger size beyond being more efficient and free for both intake and exhaust and this is so due to the absence of valves and it is rotating without limits
and that is why it produces more the Wankel engine does not get bigger, it is only more efficient than any other piston engine because they are more limited to it and that is why it produces by alternating the movement of the pistons and valves; In the case of the valves, their time has been varied and this has resulted in better efficiency because it avoids being a barrier to flow, which is what the Wankel engine does best, and what it has against size against size, and it is at the same time; the advantage of the piston engine in this war of engines.
Glad to be part of this project !!
hello anderson and fueltech crew. I am from UK and here we already have some cars using your product and thats amazing
That's awesome!
Wheelie on the dyno, RESPECT!
1670jp from 1.3 litre rotary engine wow!
And other impressives 1,441 Tq.😮
That is an awesome setup, can't wait to see it in action. 💯👍👍👍
THANKS FOR EXPLAINING ANDERSON! VERY COOL VIDEO!! FT450 FOR MY CIVICS IN THE FUTURE!!! TAMPA FL
It made sense the second he said it, I love learning new things about what I love
This things going to break some records !!! Great job by all involved.
I knew two rotor with two turbos was possible. I want to research more on this great job guys!
Tune up sounds smooth!
These guys do amazing work
Great video. Great info. Nice job 🤙
heck,lifting the front wheel on the dyno, really good response on boost also!
Muito legal ver o sucesso que a fuel tech está fazendo nos EUA. Abraço Florianópolis SC
A very informative video... Thanks guys.... Also great song Choice ;-)
Tem que colocar esses videos legendados tbm, não esquece dos BR kkkkkk conhecimento nunca é demais
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Vídeo dublado
Nice Anderson!!!
Dude love the interstellarish music boosted to the moon 🌙
Awesome vid ,
Good to see Honeywell Garrett working with these projects
(Nice work!) This type of TECH will eventually be picked up by the OEMS,
and find it's way into your future car or truck
Badass videos. Thank you
That music in the beginning s raw!😍💯
Thats the craziest damn thing ive ever seen.
1,285 hp PER LITER...and 3 moving parts. AbsoLUTEly mental. Wow.
It's a rotary the displacement acts more like a 2.6l
Cool story...no one cares
@@kyledavis8176 well you seem to care enough to do the math on hp/l bit don't understand that it acts like a 2 stroke
Smh no one cares about comply aftermarket drag racing engine making this much power... You do know there are 1.4 4 cylinders making 2000-2500hp...no compound turbos needed
Again, no one cares. Run along now keyboard warrior
@@kyledavis8176 no one cares about your dumbass comment 😂🤣
Very informative. Thanks
Great job!!!!
I have never seen a rotary with a set up like this
Nice work. Compounding looks like a small engine win.
Gonna order mine soon
Compound turbo systems are on the rise! It makes alot of sense especially in a street application because you could have high boost with out the lag.
True, but is more complicated than that, you have 2 turbos, 1 is a high pressure the one is bolted to the exhaust manifold and low pressure that's bolted to a base, in order to make the high pressure feed the low pressure it takes some fabrication, redirecting the exhaust gases from high to low and boost from high to low, but yes in the diesel motors this system is being used for decades, caterpillar c13 and c15 are compound turbos from factory
@@Me-fj8sb its definitely a more complex option but it also works if calibrated right. Do you think it will become more common for gas engines?
@@jayknight139 that's a good question, the only thing I can think that will prevent that from happening is space, normally compound are installed in inline engines like Cummins or a single side manifold, duramax and powerstroke are V8 but this are full size pick up trucks and the have plenty of space and when they finish installing the compound there's no space at all, in a car is way more tight and more attachments, but in a race car is possible depending on the engine and chassis setup, but the main reason for compound is to develop tons of torque, there's 6.7L Cummins on dodge rams that can make over 2,500 hp and over 3,000 pounds of torque
@@Me-fj8sb which is why I wish there were more diesel swaps. But one version of the supra had twin turbos so although space is an issue its not impossible but selling kits may not catch on for a while.
Muy buen video 👏👏👏saludos Oscar de Argentina
MoTeC M1 for the win here people!!!
EXCELLENT!
I'd love to see a race with this car and collins eclipse jett racing now that would be awesome!
Jett racing is so ahead on the compound set up give this car time it will run right next to jetts
That car is rediculous!!! Badass
Its a 13b making 1600+ hp! Great!
Those engine sounds are like unicorns farting rainbows filled with gold dust. Don’t think it can get any better
More like a turbo 2 stroke dirtbike
Sounds a little ghey
Rotary engines sound awesome. Love it!
Billet blocks are amazing aren't they!?!? . Just imagine if this was factory.
Only the side plates and middle plate are billet the housings are factory they dont make billet housings yet pac from Australia is tryn to develop one
Cool video and big power wow! Be interesting to test the 106 and 88mm @ 80psi as a single turbo setup compared to the compound setup...
The 88 as single would not make more than 60psi of boost and will be over 100k rpm already which increases back pressure by a lot. The 106 can't be used as a single on a 13B because it will surge really bad, typically a 94mm is already entering surge already.
Has the 106 been tested? My guess no... The 106 will surge at high PR and low shaft rpm speeds. There are ways to configure the turbo and setup to achieve the desired boost levels without surge. Compound turbocharging is desirable at extremely high boost levels but it is terribly inefficient due to the design of the centrifugal compressor wheel. It's just no good a higher pressure ratios and the higher you go it just becomes terribly inefficient regardless if it's compound turbocharged or not. Better going 106 for 80psi and compound once you can't get a bigger either turbo to achieve the desired boost....
That shit is insane
You can run wastegate controlling the cold side instead
@RobDahm needs compound turbos.
Corozal pr 💪💪💪💪
I would love to know whats done with the engine! And also, why no intercooler in between the turbos? :D
That thing is alive!! Shaiiiiit!!😅
Rotor gods
Yessir 🇵🇷 and Australians are gods at too
Casual says. " if you want to run 80lbs of boost". !! Damn I wanna run 80lbs of boost.
Imagine a rig like this on a 3 or 4rotor 🤪
Which you we'll to get does Numbers done at the 1\4 Mile
That is an amazing package right there and huge out put from just a 13b 🤯
I'm surprised to not see any intercooling between the two turbos?
How much would this affect the set up and performance of the car?
I imagine this thing is running on alcohol of some description, which usually results in significantly lower intake air temps, negating the need for an intercooler. Im sure someone will correct me if im wrong! 👍
@@mechanicalmisadventures7013 yeah it's a drag car it only needs to stay cool enough to go 1/4 mile it's probably also running on alcohol or methanol to cool it
IS ALCOHOL AND THIS IS COLD AND THE RACE IS ONLY BETWEEN 6 SECONDS THAT IS WHY YOU AVOID PUTTING AN INTERCOOLER, AND NOT ONLY OBSTACULATE AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS MINIMUM BUT IN SECOND RACES 1,320.
Not to mention it’s only two rotors -sheeeshhhh
Fuel tech please come to South Africa
turbo bigger than my future
I thought it was difficult to turbo the renesis, can someone explain this build?
How much is your system complete system .
I have several cars and they have Holley eEFI
Corozal con orgullo
Where rob dahm put this set up on the 4 rotor
Can a compound turbo setup be used a Street driven vehicle???
Boa noite, eu estou com um eclipse onde montei um setup parecido aqui no brasil, uso uma .42 como minha turbina "pequena" e uma .70 como minha turbina grande, tenho oficina e estamos direto conversando sobre os beneficios da fueltech, estamos instalando ft300 em 2 eclipses.
Mas no meu caso uso a central do proprio carro com um chip(ecmlink), tenho uma grande variedade de configurações e possibilidades de acerto com ela.
Minha questão é, eu me beneficiaria instalando uma ft pra uso misto, rua/pista? e qual FT seria o ideal, sendo que minha central me da uma grande possibilidade de ajustes.
Acho que uma FT450 para cima já deve ser melhor que a ingeção original, é uma ingeção bem arcaica a original de um carro dos anos 90
Anderson's beard game 💪! #VIPCameron
Hell yeah!
Let's go 5sec....machines...
👏🏽👍🏽
Arrebentando no ingles eim kkk
NUTS
My only question is how you stop the first turbo from over spinning and creating excessive air intake temps when high rooms are reached? Can’t seem to wrap my head around it.
cesar arias 🤣 I think ur reply is funnier than it should be but I was thinking his exact question
Wastegates. The gates on the manifold charger dump into the exhaust feed to the atmospheric charger. The gates from the atmo charger dump out the exhaust.
What is a törbö??
Si no me equivoco ese es Omar Crespo el q esta tuniando
🤔aaaaa si ese mismo😂🤣😂crespo si si ese es😂🤣😂🤣🤪
tem esse vídeo em português
_My Turbo has a Turbo_
All you need to know...
foda de mais
Question, has fuel tech worked with a turbocharger compounded by a mechanical supercharger?
There's a low and a high pressure turbo, is hard to create an enormous amount of boost to move the low pressure turbo with a mechanical supercharger
@@Me-fj8sb that was a typical supercharger turbo setup for GMC 2 stroke diesels for decades, turbo into a roots supercharger then the engine
@@benjaminchartier6458 true, I've been building 5.9 and 6.7 Cummins with compounds for some time, but the only way to achieve tons of boost for racing purpose you need 2 turbos, but for regular commercial use, yes supercharger will do, I've done over 100 psi couple of time in my ram 3500 with a highly modified 6.7, dangerous but is only achievable with 2 turbos
So is a compound set up better than a huge single turbo
Oh yes way better
So you use turbo to drive the second turbo ? How no-one thought of this?
This being used for decades in the diesel world. Not new by any means.
This helps Turbo Lag, and has a quick response because one assists the other.
Dang. DD?
@fueltech USA have they ran that setup at the track? Times?
Before this car run 6.62 at 209mph but haven't run after this yet.
Anderson I was wondering how long till someone put a compound on a rotary with all the others popping up. Seems to work well. Are the hot sides still on the larger side?
Yes I agree, it works great for rotaries, both turbos have big exhaust wheels yes and could be even larger. Gtx5533r gen 2 88 with a 1.00 will be replaced by a 1.24 and the GTX5544r 106 has 1.40 A/R and worked great.
Awesome, I'm looking into the ft500 for my drag hayabusa, running mids 7's with nitrous but going turbo in future. Id like one for my FD also, it has old school apexi power FC. Only one at a time tho...
i know you run for sure cold gaz, but intercooler between the stage give you more air density for your second turbo!!??
There multiple ways of doing it, the decision of not using an intercooler was because weight savings and unlimited boost, as well fuel atomization gets improved by hotter air.
@@AndersonDick i was thinking cold air,more pounds of air+ more pounds of fuel =more HP !!??
Correct but adds weight to the car and can be compensated by a few more pounds of boost, but like I said, this is a project decision and really few people have tried all the possibilities to find the most effective one.
1670hp on a 1.3L 2 rotor, dorito power!
It's a rotary so it's like a 1.3l 2 stroke or 2.6l 4 stroke
@@Johnny-tq9no Thats not how it works
@@verttisyrjala2897 kinda does it fires once every rpm like a 2stroke
@@Johnny-tq9no That doesnt change the amount of displacement. A 125 2 stroke and a 125 4 stroke for example, the 2 stroke fires every revolution and most likely has more power but they still have the same displacement
@@verttisyrjala2897 and in racing the rule often was that you can have a 4 stoke that is twice the displacement of a 2 stroke
Olha lá o canal do milikina ele fez isso em um motor MD 1.5
Deixe me adivinhar. Vieram 200hp
@@zz2nkt não vieram mais de 300 Hp de roda
@@zz2nkt mais perto de 400cv
I understand its a billet engine, but is it still 1.3l?
And id assume some crazy ceramic apex seals or something?
Yes its still 1.3. There arent any displacement increase for rotary engines. No ceramic apex seals. Power seals or E&j seals. This seals are a mix of metals
@@michaelesprella1540 The problem of the apex seals is a ceramic they withstand high heat temperatures and yes, if you cool it they The problem of the apex seals is a ceramic they withstand high heat temperatures and yes, if you cool it, they break, This Engine use alcohol fuel.
Not bad for a 1.3
So wait...the smaller turbo is after the big turbo?
i always thought the small turbo created boost to spin the big turbo's turbine
@@Be4tJumper nah, its about getting both turbos in their efficiency range and a lot of it has to do with pressure ratios, compressor maps, and not turning a turbo into a hair drier. For example, rather than boosting the atmospheric ~15psi of air pressure to 90 psi of boost pressure with one turbo (a pressure ratio of 6) and causing a variety of issues, you can use 2 turbos. One turbo (maybe 2 for even more airflow, like diesel dragsters and tractor pullers) to boost the atmos. 15 psi to 30 psi, a pressure ration of 2, and then a second (or third turbo for diesels) to boost that 30 psi to 90 psi, a pressure ratio of 3. Look into diesel compound turbos or the high performance academy videos on the 2000whp+ 4 cylinder dragsters. Of course, there's a whole lot more to it than I mentioned, its a science. czcams.com/video/0jN2ExOW4J4/video.html He goes into a cool tech talk about turbos about 2 minutes in. Hope I helped you.
@@pavelkravchuk7763 yeah i watched a video and someone compared it to a jet engine and it made sense. I really want a compound set up :) they're so cool
@@Be4tJumper just make sure your engine can hold and flow that much air and fuel. But just go full send and window your block. 😂😂
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Abel ibarra heavy breathing.....
How to make a set off turbos which generate more power as fastest than nos. But as stock original engine... I would like to see and watch and learn how u all build ROTOARY ENGINE. name as DATSUN RX VW GOLF RABBIT and all the rotoary engine in FUEL TECHNOLOGY. ✌✌✌✌✌👍👍👍😎.
Francis Dsouza THE NITRO SISTEM WANKEL 20-B (3 ROTOR) RECORD HOLDER IS (e.t.7.71@ 169mph/272 Kmh). CHIMIKUI DATSUN '71 B 210. Only. ☄️ Aspirade with N.O.S.🔥✨🚖🚫NO TURBO, 🚫NO SUPER CHARGER, 🚫NO PRO-CHARGER.
*Hey, whomever produced this video-*
*Why is the music so LOUD?*
Do you really need one waste gates per turbo for this setup. You can get away with one gate cant you?
Are You from Poland?
Brazil
@@srSADOL just asking because of accent, don’t be ofended :)
It is a valid question, necessary for understanding. 👍
This shop is actually in America (Georgia ) , fueltech the company is from brazil
Wut 👀
Leroy's little nephew
Momma Mia yes
Hell yeah brother
Except this car would DESTROY Leroy
But in this case i think leroy's little nephew would own him on the track. The power to weight would make sure of that .
My name is Abel but I dont have drag car money 🥺
Sofar 21 people can't understand what's going on
Good video but turn the fucking music off!
You shouldn't use billet inc. To use pac performance because billet inc. How bad is it? Anyone know.
tem mais HP / L que um Top fuel hahaha
I actually came here to find out what's so special about this? This looks like a standard twin turbo setup to me (but then again I never bothered to learn what they mean by twin turbo, but I always assumed it was 1 turbo blowing into a 2nd)
I watched the entire video, and never heard 1 thing about why is this special. *shrugs