Impressive unit. Personally I like the simple controller, but that's just me. I would love to see a heater with a built in O2 sensor so it could adjust the air fuel ratio. Keep up the good work 👍👍
So we've tried using an O2 sensor. I even built an exhaust manifold to run it in. The problem is the way the heater burns, the O2 sensor has trouble 'seeing' the full mixture. We had to get the exhaust proper black smoke before the sensor reacted. It might work better with one built right into the housing. Oh god now you've given me ideas.
I thought the elevation sensor provided mix adjustment. Please explain the what and sowhat of your comment in little words, I'm not that bright. Thanks!
Beautiful unit's 👍I'm a very fussy Aerospace Defence Verification Qualification Hardware Test Engineer, so I really appreciate seeing inside the unit, it's very well built for sure 👍 I wonder IF Lavanare will have a built in Lambda probe 👍now that would be very interesting addition, my gas boiler which is 12 years old has a lambda sensor and built in weather compensation outside temperature monitoring, that's superb with its stainless steel heat exchanger, Yes 👍 for sure I love quality made unit's, sure you pay a little more, but its peace of mind that also matters & customer service, I suppose I have no difficulty in translation of Chinese because my wife is Chinese, Anyway David brilliant and thanks for the video 📹
No LCD controller? I've seem complaints of fan friction problem endemic to the cheaper Vevor. I don't care the price, a consumer should not have to crack the case to fix a known anomaly. After owning these for a year, the Web or Espy would have paid for itself for the time I've spent fighting problems. However, this Lav is certainly the best value among the patent-violating knock-offs. Great video.
Overall a well made marine grade heater except a marine heater wouldn't need an alpine function. Was at my marine supply store a few days ago. You pay more but, it's good quality.
_Nice! But not sure how it knows what altitude is at? On the regular heater, if you have the LCD screen, you can go into your administrator setting and make the adjustment with the dosing pump yourself per 1000 meters/ or after 3200 feet roughly 5 % to 6 % for adjustment per 1000 to 1500 feet or 304.8m/ 457.2m your heater should work fine. Of course, it would only work if you have an LCD screen and do a little math._
Thank you David for another fantastic video! What are your thoughts regarding the heat delivered by the different heaters? Comparing the different 2kW heaters from Eberspracher, Lavaner and a “general even Cheaper Chinese Diesel heater”. Are they equivalent when it comes to the actual delivered effect/heat? Some “stuff” sourced from AliExpress sometimes have exaggerated specs compared to the actual performance. 😊
As we know there are only two body sizes (5kw and 2kw). All the manufacturers use very similar moulds for the bodies. So while there might be slight variances between them, given the same amount of air and fuel you would get almost the same heat output from all the manufacturers. But yes some of them are just making up numbers. I've seen a 12KW advertised, it was still only a 5KW body.
Easily done on the webasto Evo 3900. . It's only a resister and switch that will give you ventilation and away you go. Using the cheap rheostat it's much cheaper than buying a new controller. Looks a nice unit . Tank as well. Kerrosene. Much cheaper than diesel and cleaner
Here in the states, kerosene is a hardware store item and sells for about $20 for 2 gallons. Diesel on the other hand is 2.79 to 4.xx depends on the area of the country you are. I picked up some low carbon diesel fuel made by a company called Propel, Diesel HPR is what they call it. Makes for what I think is a great fuel for these Diesel heaters, and of course can be run in a Diesel-powered vehicle and I think a wick type heater as well. It's clear as water, has virtually no smell and seems to be similar to the liquid paraffin that I would get for my emergency oil lamps. I have yet to run my heater, on anything, but I will eventually when I get a chance. I should send David a liter of this fuel to try out and evaluate, cheers 🍻
@@goodmanboattransport3441 wow. That's expensive. It's like 2 or 2, 1/2 dollars your money for a gallon here. But it's heating oil over here so it's much cheaper than diesel but I do think it's not as hot as diesel. But it's definitely a cleaner burn. That won't matter to you if it is that expensive in the states. Diesel is the way to go over there lol
@@paulos9304 Here the heating oil is diesel fuel, but they reduce the cost by removing the road tax that is added for vehicle fuel. It can be dyed red to identify it as non road use fuel, although I'm not sure if it is or not when delivered to a home. Red dye fuel is available in some areas at the fuel pump for off road use, such as farm equipment or for use in a refrigerator trailer that is engine powered. Kerosene is also available at the fuel pump in some northern areas, usually along with the red dyed fuel and #1 diesel fuel or the winterized #2 diesel fuel. I've heard #1 diesel fuel is 50/50 blend of Kerosene and #2 diesel, but I don't ever use it, I buy #2 winterized because I don't stay in those cold areas and turn off the engine overnight, I'm just passing thru, and I do find that winterized diesel does not give me the same mileage as regular diesel fuel does, so I bet the BTU is less in that fuel like you say it is with Kerosene 🤔
Hi David just watched your test on the Lavaner pro, very interesting was thinking about fitting one of the LAVANER Pro 12V 5kw Waterproof Air Heater, to the rear of the house as a secondary heat source, I've never owned a deiseal heater but have been doing my research .Was thinking about fitting one of these diesel heaters on my outside wall. in a box to help heat my kitchen an lounge ,are there any engineers that service these if they break or malfunction?. Or any other recommendation for a good reliable work horse what are your views on them? or the CDH , i want a reliable hard working heater when the winter starts. i havn't decided on a box for it yet. Best place to purchase one as well many thanks in advance Colin.
Other than the Eberspacher and Webasto themselves, the Lavaner heaters seem to be just as good at a much lower price. There are a few commenters on here that have heaters built into external boxes. As for servicing, it's very basic. If you can work a spanner you're pretty much golden.
Well. I have a prototype system they are working on in a box waiting for me to set it up. It contains a water heater. I should really get that all set up for a video.
Can you comment on operating noise? Is the 5 KW quitter than the 2 KW lavaner like on the chinese heaters? I'm planning to use a heater in my civic, would 5 kw be over kill? It be drawin air from outside, and it's gets cold here in Canada, maybe -15 celcius. Want a quiet heater but also don't want it too how. My civic is not insulated.
If you're pulling in outside air go with the 5KW. It's not the loudness so much but the frequency that annoys us. The 5KW being bigger makes a similar but lower sound so is less intrusive.
Another one! Not heard of this particular one before. How many in the collection now David? Or are you selling the buggers on to save space! Must admit this seems the most complete kit so far.
@@DavidMcLuckie next video suggestion... take all the heaters in your shed and join them end to end and see what temperature you get out the end!/how much melted plastic ha ha!!
It looks like the Alpine version is no longer available on aliexpress. Do you know of any other suppliers? I'm based in the western part of the United States and regularly camp above 2000m so this would be a great product if I can find one to purchase
But not entirely consistent. I've seen video demonstrating the same cockeyed fan problem that afflicts Vevor and Amz cheapos. That said, Lav quality is well worth the 2x price.
How loud is the fuel pump? On the both your videos with Lavaner Pro 2 kW and this one it sounds pretty hardly knocking. (Comparing to lf bros etc..) does it have a standard connector if wanted to replace for another? Thank you 👍
As loud as any other pump. It's bolted onto a metal box and we're inside a bigger metal box. Plus audio post processing, you're not getting an accurate representation. Should be testing some new fuel pumps shortly.
I imagine you would be able to test different resistors (or perhaps an adjustable resistor) in the power line of the fuel pump to adjust for this. Similar to LED resistors for your blinker to slow down. Cheers
its not that simple with the pulsed pumps, you'd need to slow the pulse rate of the pump down, a resistor would lower the voltage to the pump but its not a rotary pump so you can't just slow it down,
As Kurt said, a resistor would lower the voltage but not alter the frequency of the pulses. I know there are circuits that can do this, but I can't remember the name of them.
@@DavidMcLuckie Pulse Width Modulation. You could do it with an arduino if you wanted. A barometric pressure sensor and just use the result to alter the frequency of the control signal to the pump.
@@cambridgemart2075 Sorry, I thought he meant the duty cycle i.e. the mark space ratio. To change the frequency of the pulses to the pump, you can just use one of the timers. Set the required frequency and increase or decrease it using the information coming from the barometric pressure sensor.
The reason I ask, I don't have the alpine yet, but I have a couple other heaters. I ordered the afterburner last night with all the options and one was a pressure switch and he mentioned that none of the heaters offer different fuel rates for pressure. Then I saw your video about elevation changes on the alpine. Maybe I misunderstood his page, but I'll know more when the afterburner arrives. If the plugs are compatible, I may order an alpine and check it out. I already like their higher quality design
Impressive unit. Personally I like the simple controller, but that's just me. I would love to see a heater with a built in O2 sensor so it could adjust the air fuel ratio. Keep up the good work 👍👍
So we've tried using an O2 sensor. I even built an exhaust manifold to run it in. The problem is the way the heater burns, the O2 sensor has trouble 'seeing' the full mixture. We had to get the exhaust proper black smoke before the sensor reacted. It might work better with one built right into the housing. Oh god now you've given me ideas.
@@DavidMcLuckie Ahh yeah. Maybe because the fuel is pulsed? I'll have a look for that video.
I thought the elevation sensor provided mix adjustment. Please explain the what and sowhat of your comment in little words, I'm not that bright. Thanks!
Thank you Lavaner for listening, David, thanks for the review!
Love that they have took what we have complained and moaned about like you say David and listened, learned from it and produced a product. 👍👍👍
Just ordered mine today, can't wait to get it fitted.
Beautiful unit's 👍I'm a very fussy Aerospace Defence Verification Qualification Hardware Test Engineer, so I really appreciate seeing inside the unit, it's very well built for sure 👍
I wonder IF Lavanare will have a built in Lambda probe 👍now that would be very interesting addition, my gas boiler which is 12 years old has a lambda sensor and built in weather compensation outside temperature monitoring, that's superb with its stainless steel heat exchanger,
Yes 👍 for sure I love quality made unit's, sure you pay a little more, but its peace of mind that also matters & customer service, I suppose I have no difficulty in translation of Chinese because my wife is Chinese,
Anyway David brilliant and thanks for the video 📹
No LCD controller? I've seem complaints of fan friction problem endemic to the cheaper Vevor. I don't care the price, a consumer should not have to crack the case to fix a known anomaly. After owning these for a year, the Web or Espy would have paid for itself for the time I've spent fighting problems. However, this Lav is certainly the best value among the patent-violating knock-offs. Great video.
Overall a well made marine grade heater except a marine heater wouldn't need an alpine function.
Was at my marine supply store a few days ago. You pay more but, it's good quality.
Brilliant video thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
It will keep you warm as you suffer the effects of altitude sickness. 😎👍
Brilliant video. thank you !
_Nice! But not sure how it knows what altitude is at? On the regular heater, if you have the LCD screen, you can go into your administrator setting and make the adjustment with the dosing pump yourself per 1000 meters/ or after 3200 feet roughly 5 % to 6 % for adjustment per 1000 to 1500 feet or 304.8m/ 457.2m your heater should work fine. Of course, it would only work if you have an LCD screen and do a little math._
It uses the air pressure sensor on the ECU.
SOME controllers provide manual mix settings. If auto-adjust takes out the guesswork, then I'm in.
If it cuts off when it reaches temperature, does it also start back up when it gets below temp? Is it like a thermostat or does it just stay off?
Pretty much an exact copy of the eberspacher D2 airtronic. Bet the price is much less though!
bet it doesn't work as well either...that's why i bought the 1200 CAD unit from Webasto.. got tired of Chinese diesel units clogging up
@@BikingWIthPanda yes agreed, I have the D2 and in 18 years I've put a new ECU into it as the old ones were a weak point.
Is the fan on the lavaner units quiter than that of generic chinese heaters?
Thank you David for another fantastic video! What are your thoughts regarding the heat delivered by the different heaters? Comparing the different 2kW heaters from Eberspracher, Lavaner and a “general even Cheaper Chinese Diesel heater”. Are they equivalent when it comes to the actual delivered effect/heat? Some “stuff” sourced from AliExpress sometimes have exaggerated specs compared to the actual performance. 😊
As we know there are only two body sizes (5kw and 2kw). All the manufacturers use very similar moulds for the bodies. So while there might be slight variances between them, given the same amount of air and fuel you would get almost the same heat output from all the manufacturers. But yes some of them are just making up numbers. I've seen a 12KW advertised, it was still only a 5KW body.
Easily done on the webasto Evo 3900. . It's only a resister and switch that will give you ventilation and away you go. Using the cheap rheostat it's much cheaper than buying a new controller. Looks a nice unit . Tank as well. Kerrosene. Much cheaper than diesel and cleaner
That sounds like useful information for anyone who has an evo 3900.
Here in the states, kerosene is a hardware store item and sells for about $20 for 2 gallons. Diesel on the other hand is 2.79 to 4.xx depends on the area of the country you are. I picked up some low carbon diesel fuel made by a company called Propel, Diesel HPR is what they call it. Makes for what I think is a great fuel for these Diesel heaters, and of course can be run in a Diesel-powered vehicle and I think a wick type heater as well. It's clear as water, has virtually no smell and seems to be similar to the liquid paraffin that I would get for my emergency oil lamps.
I have yet to run my heater, on anything, but I will eventually when I get a chance.
I should send David a liter of this fuel to try out and evaluate, cheers 🍻
@@goodmanboattransport3441 wow. That's expensive. It's like 2 or 2, 1/2 dollars your money for a gallon here. But it's heating oil over here so it's much cheaper than diesel but I do think it's not as hot as diesel. But it's definitely a cleaner burn. That won't matter to you if it is that expensive in the states. Diesel is the way to go over there lol
@@paulos9304
Here the heating oil is diesel fuel, but they reduce the cost by removing the road tax that is added for vehicle fuel.
It can be dyed red to identify it as non road use fuel, although I'm not sure if it is or not when delivered to a home. Red dye fuel is available in some areas at the fuel pump for off road use, such as farm equipment or for use in a refrigerator trailer that is engine powered. Kerosene is also available at the fuel pump in some northern areas, usually along with the red dyed fuel and #1 diesel fuel or the winterized #2 diesel fuel. I've heard #1 diesel fuel is 50/50 blend of Kerosene and #2 diesel, but I don't ever use it, I buy #2 winterized because I don't stay in those cold areas and turn off the engine overnight, I'm just passing thru, and I do find that winterized diesel does not give me the same mileage as regular diesel fuel does, so I bet the BTU is less in that fuel like you say it is with Kerosene 🤔
Hi David just watched your test on the Lavaner pro, very interesting was thinking about fitting one of the LAVANER Pro 12V 5kw Waterproof Air Heater, to the rear of the house as a secondary heat source, I've never owned a deiseal heater but have been doing my research .Was thinking about fitting one of these diesel heaters on my outside wall. in a box to help heat my kitchen an lounge ,are there any engineers that service these if they break or malfunction?.
Or any other recommendation for a good reliable work horse
what are your views on them? or the CDH ,
i want a reliable hard working heater when the winter starts.
i havn't decided on a box for it yet.
Best place to purchase one as well many thanks in advance Colin.
Other than the Eberspacher and Webasto themselves, the Lavaner heaters seem to be just as good at a much lower price. There are a few commenters on here that have heaters built into external boxes. As for servicing, it's very basic. If you can work a spanner you're pretty much golden.
Too bad this heater is no longer available in the US. it shows on the Aliexpress site but you can't buy one.
Would you be able to get hold of one of their water heaters. I’d be very interested in your thoughts on their quality.
Well. I have a prototype system they are working on in a box waiting for me to set it up. It contains a water heater. I should really get that all set up for a video.
Hey David have you ever come across a unit not turning on then a P3o2 on the controller screen comes on for about 10 seconds then the unit shuts off?
If it doesn't slide in easily it's the wrong hole!!! Lol that's what she said 🤣 😂
Can you comment on operating noise? Is the 5 KW quitter than the 2 KW lavaner like on the chinese heaters? I'm planning to use a heater in my civic, would 5 kw be over kill? It be drawin air from outside, and it's gets cold here in Canada, maybe -15 celcius. Want a quiet heater but also don't want it too how. My civic is not insulated.
If you're pulling in outside air go with the 5KW. It's not the loudness so much but the frequency that annoys us. The 5KW being bigger makes a similar but lower sound so is less intrusive.
Disagree. In my Promaster, 5kw is absolute overkill. 2kw is plenty.
Another one! Not heard of this particular one before. How many in the collection now David? Or are you selling the buggers on to save space! Must admit this seems the most complete kit so far.
Actually I've not got many 'whole' heaters left. It's nice that they all mostly have interchangeable pieces.
@@DavidMcLuckie next video suggestion... take all the heaters in your shed and join them end to end and see what temperature you get out the end!/how much melted plastic ha ha!!
That wiring loom starting to look more like a eberspacher loom
, very clever brilliant man😎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Has anyone been able to see these for sale ? I can see it's for sale in USA in winter 2021, so is it the same in Europe ?
Stocks are low with the chip shortage, if you contact Craig from their Facebook he'll put you on the list.
Always wondered how long these heaters can run before they need to be decarbonized assuming they are properly tuned with a CO meter?
Most folks give them an annual overhaul. But tuned properly there is very little cleaning to do.
What goes into an annual overhaul. Do you have a vid. Thanks again!@@DavidMcLuckie
great video mate as usual.. are those test beds available to purchase??
Sort of. It's actually the base of the Lavaner all-in-one heater.
It looks like the Alpine version is no longer available on aliexpress. Do you know of any other suppliers? I'm based in the western part of the United States and regularly camp above 2000m so this would be a great product if I can find one to purchase
You'll need to go on the Lavaner Facebook as global supplies are limited. But they still make it.
Availability comes and goes, and differs by country TWSS.
Very nice. But my Horse lorry is 24v can you help please .
They make 12v and 24v versions of the heaters.
Is the Lavaneer that much better than a chinese version? Is the quality that much better, different material?
Yes. The Lavaners are a much more consistent quality. With the cheap ones you'll either get a good one or a bad one.
But not entirely consistent. I've seen video demonstrating the same cockeyed fan problem that afflicts Vevor and Amz cheapos. That said, Lav quality is well worth the 2x price.
yay
How loud is the fuel pump? On the both your videos with Lavaner Pro 2 kW and this one it sounds pretty hardly knocking. (Comparing to lf bros etc..) does it have a standard connector if wanted to replace for another? Thank you 👍
As loud as any other pump. It's bolted onto a metal box and we're inside a bigger metal box. Plus audio post processing, you're not getting an accurate representation.
Should be testing some new fuel pumps shortly.
@@DavidMcLuckie Great, thanks David!
What a shame Lavaner don't supply to the UK
They normally do. Stock is the issue at the moment. I think they even have a UK dealer.
@@DavidMcLuckie They stopped 'because of Brexit'. Supposedly they are setting up a UK warehouse but it seems to be taking forever.
I've put a post on my Facebook of their latest post and it should have a link to their new UK dealer. This is them - www.nhfsmi.com/
Is it possible (easy) to swap the ECU, sensors and controller over to a regular heater to get the the same functions on a previously installed heater?
Yes. The heater body itself is just a normal Lavaner Pro heater. All the clever stuff is in the ECU.
@@DavidMcLuckie Where can I pick up the clever ECU for my pro 2k? Thanks for the vids.. good stuff (Greetings from the US:))
Where did you get the test bed? Did you make or buy it - and if you bought it, where does it come from?
That is the inside base of a Lavaner all in one diesel heater.
Any idea how long the heater will run without running the battery flat?
A typical 110AH battery will last for approximately 24 hours continuous running.
I imagine you would be able to test different resistors (or perhaps an adjustable resistor) in the power line of the fuel pump to adjust for this. Similar to LED resistors for your blinker to slow down. Cheers
its not that simple with the pulsed pumps, you'd need to slow the pulse rate of the pump down, a resistor would lower the voltage to the pump but its not a rotary pump so you can't just slow it down,
As Kurt said, a resistor would lower the voltage but not alter the frequency of the pulses. I know there are circuits that can do this, but I can't remember the name of them.
@@DavidMcLuckie Pulse Width Modulation. You could do it with an arduino if you wanted. A barometric pressure sensor and just use the result to alter the frequency of the control signal to the pump.
@@paulrowntree2800 PWM won't work either, you need to change the pulse rate of the pump.
@@cambridgemart2075 Sorry, I thought he meant the duty cycle i.e. the mark space ratio. To change the frequency of the pulses to the pump, you can just use one of the timers. Set the required frequency and increase or decrease it using the information coming from the barometric pressure sensor.
Looks like the Alp may be discontinued. (
Out of stock perhaps but not discontinued.
Do you know if the afterburner will work with the lavanar pro alpine??
Negative. Not the Alpine version, as it's ECU alters the fueling based on air pressure.
The reason I ask, I don't have the alpine yet, but I have a couple other heaters. I ordered the afterburner last night with all the options and one was a pressure switch and he mentioned that none of the heaters offer different fuel rates for pressure. Then I saw your video about elevation changes on the alpine. Maybe I misunderstood his page, but I'll know more when the afterburner arrives. If the plugs are compatible, I may order an alpine and check it out. I already like their higher quality design
Get yer arse up the Ben with a battery, fuel tank and the heater 🤣
Using a heater as a fan is dumb. Only added wear to the fan and bearings.
Is this proven or intuitive?
Taken apart? Not really...
How apart would you like?
@@DavidMcLuckie Gotta see the guts...