Steel Longsword, March 25th - Sparring Showcase
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- A sparring showcase featuring Steel Longswords.
The steel feders used in the video are:
The Dobringer - By Comfort Fencing
Ensifer - By Jan Chodkiewicz
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These videos have always been a pleasure to watch, but the editing in this one -- explaining and replaying each successful hit -- really makes me feel welcome as a viewer. Thank you so much for doing this!
no suhc hting as succex or etc
Absolutely awesome to see some self covering sword fighting. This makes duels last longer than 20 seconds... I just wish this would be done on tournaments...
ikr during tournaments they stare at each other for a minute straight then charge and it ends immediately
Holy cow, great techniques pulled off during this video. I'd suggest labelling all fighters each round, to help viewers, and actually naming mastercuts and other techniques when available.
That sounds suspiciously like more work editing ;)
+Julian Schuetze Somthing like red or blue belt would make it easyer to tell them apart and the name would not have to follow the fighter.
+Julian Schuetze
Lol!
Don't worry about it mate, while of course we would like a little extra information, we do appreciate your hard work, the slo-mo replays and hit markers are a huge improvement over regular sparring videos.
+TheFilthyCasual Oh I'd absolutely love to stuff in more information and work on these more! Unfortunately I'm a full time Kinesiology student, plus all Blood and Iron activity so sometimes I'd be able to spend the time to add more details, but sometimes I would not. Consistency is one of the big things we're aiming for, so that's not possible at this time.
Fighter names aren't a big deal though so I can figure out a better way of doing it.
Seeing Hema sparring in action makes me think unarmored civilian duels back then were relatively short affairs. It takes seconds at most for either combatant to draw first blood to end the duel
Decapitations and limbs getting torn off is probably like wednesday for them
If you look closely, most of the strikes that stop these bouts are kinda little more than love taps. They're maybe drawing blood, but a lot of them won't kill, or even severely injure. That last one that was ended by a draw-cut to the face would've just cut the piss out of your cheek and ear--it was nowhere near the neck, and nowhere near someplace vital. The same thing goes for most of the places where arms and legs are hit-- not much force delivered in the strike, therefor little more than cuts and nicks are delivered. A lot of people don't seem to realize that it's pretty damn hard to cut through bone, and all the test-cut footage people put out usually shows them cutting at 75-100% power. You can't always make followup attacks as powerful as you'd like.
@@defaultset More like tuesday. :D czcams.com/video/sjZ5I8l32CI/video.html
2:00 excellent timing!
+René Jiménez To my eye it seems like she could have blocked that strike too but must have assumed that the opponent would go for an upwards slash and just put her sword in the wrong place at the wrong time.
A duel with longswords is such a delight to watch.
I love blood and iron. These guys are true sword masters.
It is very good that you explain each fight separately. As a viewer who doesn't really know where to look, that's a great help for me.
my fav is Lee Smith He's just so good
Great form and technique by these fighters. can't wait for more.
Looks like fun, dang I wish I could do this too.
I prefer real fencing
*flimsy poky bois and only attacking from one direction*
I SAID THE REAL FENCING
*this*
Perfection
I agree, I went to that stuff once then quit because I wanted this.
if you have something like an epee (or a smallsword in a historical context) why would you attack from more than one direction?
@@frogman4700 Consider spanish Destreza. One could argue rapier is a better smallsword. Destreza is attacking from a ton of angles/directions.
@@runakovacs4759 a destreza is fundamentally different from a smallsword because its not exclusively for thrusting.
Dacino Hoihe
Even considering destreza, most rapier systems are linear. Smallsword is almost exclusively linear, so destreza doesn’t even apply.
I bet people hollywood would hire you guys to teach some sword fighting choreography for movies and tv shows. Game of Thrones is one that comes to mind.
Actually, this is not showy enough for film. Real fighting is hard to show in a crowd pleasing way
It can be made and very well .I believe that you do not have to sacrifice drama or any sort of things to make it realistic and faithful .
In the case of Game of Thrones , the lack of intelligence and skill of the characters is a complete downgrade from A Song of Ice and Fire , where they are far superior than their TV counterparts .
I disagree, Look at the Adorea Longsword duel! That was done using historical techniques and it looks amazing!
It's difficult to say the ASOIAF characters are superior to their live action counterparts because the novels simply don't go into sufficient detail of fights to make a blow-by-blow analysis of the fights. It's mostly informed ability. There are numerous unrealistic things in the books, too, regarding military subjects.
@@falsefight This looks awesome, way more natural to me
I wish I had a HEMA club near me, I can settle for olympic style fencing in the meantime though (by which i mean foils and the like rather than longsword)
Olympic fencing is boring.
added to favorites to show people how cool this is
The victor of the 1:40 engage is so controlled during the whole thing. I actually screamed. Wow.
1:21 I love looking at this exchange for some reason
1:40 The next round was also really neat
yeah, both were really good tags
This looks like so much fun, sucks to have *the c00f* so it's not super safe to take lesson, especially for someone like me who doesn't have there own gear😭. But at least I get to watch some awesome longsword sparing!
Nice, you are the only guys I have seen who do not fight like suicidal maniacs. Very good.
this is so fucking cool
This is brilliant fencing.
wicked Technics great fencing, i also saw lots of possibilties to use other guards to start and end a cut more cleanly
such as ox low and middle guards and even ending acceding cuts with einhorn
just for some of the sparing not all
Wowa wee waa!
@2:10 both fighters would be dead, the one who landed the gut shot also took a blow to the head!
Great sparring, this is far more awesome than any Hollywood made up garbage.
Not really, it was an afterblow. ( A strike you wouldn't have been able to throw if you were fighting with sharp weapons)
@@thrownswordpommel7393 You can land an afterblow after you are dead. since the nerves still carry the signal from the brain
It was more a superficial cut than anything. Would leave a nice big scar but wouldn't be immediately lethal.
@@joshuagleeson4776 yeah but most tournaments deduct a point for afterblow because it shows you weren't defending yourself
Didnt that afterblow miss though?
are there any manuals or depictions of kicks used as part of a HEMA combat system? I can see several openings where a Muai Thai style cut kick or leg kick could be executed swiftly and safely during some of these sparing moments and would give a great advantage in unarmored combat.
Yep. Can't remember the German ones but Fiore of the Italian school shows some kicks. Also both schools had plenty of grappling too.
Tophat Mike Probably, but even if there aren't any kicks depicted in manuals, you can be sure they were used anyways.
Wouldn't use them in friendly sparring though, kicking the legs out from under someone while both wield swords, even mock training swords, is a really bad idea
Mike Percival a greater one in armoured combat. Think about it armour needs to move around at the joints. If you have a guy in nice gambeson, and with some good chain mail overtop you won't get through that. The entire body is covered in tough chainmail. The best things to do are 1: half sword 2: wrestle. There are two types of wrestling. Sport, and to the death. If you are going o the death you can break joints, and smash bone. And you can do that as long as they aren't in some types of plays armour
During most of these rapid exchanges your cerebellum is so occupied that I doubt there would be room for kicks to come into action.
Golden Maximo . I disagree the glutus maximus will over power the cerebellum and produce a kick in reaction to the fight.
this scoring system makes sense for unarmored combat, which was of course done with longswords, but is there any way to spar simulating armored combat? it seems like armored longsword combat was one of the most difficult forms of swordfighting, but I can't think of a way to simulate that without stabbing each other in the eye or beating each other over the head
Well that's exactly the thing mate, the HEMA protection worn by practitioners today is nothing compared to the amount of protection that full-plate would give you. GIven that armored combat revolved around techniques that would hurt the enemy despite the armour, the HEMA gear would be nowere near enough to simulate armored combat. Murder strokes are right out - way too dangerous for a hema mask in my opinion, mask can cave in just from a normal longsword strike, a mordhau will deffinitely bent it and potentially break it if its a faulty one, Half-swording could be done but again youd be aiming for spots where there wouldnt be armor, and thrusts can be very dangerous against someone with just a HEMA jacket.
TL;DR : For the time being, no.
You can do most Harnischfechten techniques in regular HEMA gear; Ikotof is wrong about half-swording being too dangerous but right about Mordhau and Mordschlag being a no-no. That said, most Feders respons poorly to being used as crowbars to lever and throw your opponent around, which is how you use swords in armoured combat. You need a stiffer sword.
There is also one absolutely valid way to simulate a fight in armour... wear armour ;)
MisdirectedSasha
Ok, maybe I was wrong on the half-swording bit, but at the very least you need to be careful with thrusts in general, especially if the point goes towards the neck, even if your partner has a neck protector under the mask. Not that you shouldn't thrust, just that it should be done carefully :)
Yes, you do have to be careful. I find it better to use synthetic swords than steel in this context, both because they're safer in the thrust and because they're less likely to take a permanent set. And because they're cheap, so if you do ruin your sword you won't lose your best tournament feder :P
The strike at 1:34 would have been SOOOO gory in an actual fight.
Ack! mine guts hath fallen. you art the victor. alas, now _i shall die._
depends on how much power you put into it. there's still a lot of meat to get through (not to mention muscle) if you want someone's guts to come out.
Now watch at 2.0 speed. As if they weren't fast enough XD
I am so worried about that guy's toes..
Actual sparring
would this be an accurate representation of how actual sword fights looked like in the past?
More or less. They're fighting based on techniques recorded in fencing manuals written in the past, such as Joachim Meyer's Art of Combat, a go-to longsword treatise for many HEMA fencers. Of course the swords are blunt and the equipment is modern, but the fighting is very much based on historical swordsmanship
Kinda of, because this techniques are on books and no everyone in middle ages know how to read.
Mario Guerrero Rodríguez a knight would’ve known how to read, and those books were meant for nobles and knights, and they often knew their own native language and Latin. Latin used to be the formal way to speak and write so anyone of higher class birth so everyone needed to know it.
Unarmed fighting, yes.
Very beautiful! And nice present for the birthday(25.03). :)
Watching this video on your birthday bro lol hb!
@@ronaldooliveira8771 For sure, bro!))
Real life nothing like fantasy great videos
this looks so goddamn fun
Henry Chavez it is, I only do it at a uni club and so we just have the synthetic weapons, but even so it is fun
You obviously know what you are doing. I wish there was more grappling involved. 😉
Too difficult with spes heavies. I love to grapple with my left hand, and still find it hard to do it in full contact with these gloves. I hope we might see more when Konning gets more popular :)
Sex sells...
Cool Video.
Despite the use of armor, is there still a factor of pain in involved during these sparring sessions? And, if so, is it enough to deter otherwise aggressive or "natural" response to the opponent?
+Venger Voldur Hi there, sorry for the late reply!
Yes, even with the jackets and protective gauntlets, you definitely still feel the strike. We put a high emphasis on respecting the weapon when we fight, so we don't just go in blindly throwing attacks.
Well, the swords are tin.
No, theyre definitely not "tin". Theyre blunted steel
@@thesecretlibrary890 Blunted Steel actually.
Huh , didnt expect that it would be this similar to kenjutsu, i've seen a lot of moves that you do while practicing kenjutsu.
The mechanics behind swinging a sharp iron bar has alot of overlap. there's some difference in philosophy here and there but for the most part I've seen Kenjitsu or european longsword enthusiast able to pick up each others art form fairly quickly.
The only big difference is the techniques involving using the second edge and most of the thrusting techniques. Because while katana can thrust its primarily a slashing weapon.
In sword fights if you miss a block, its welcome to a abdomen, leg or hand slice
Man , Jesse is fast .Do you ever put nicknames or titles to each other at Blood and Iron ? .
one of these days, the tip will catch you where your belly shows under that jacket. please, just upgrade to one that doesnt come up with your arms.
Me: Gonna join a HEMA club this week, watches this video, sees my name pop up in the video ._.
i wait to the end to see fight this long back hair girl 2:50
Smith is a gambler
Wrestling shoes would probably work real well on the mat you are using. Wouldn't offer much protection, but it's a shoe about as flexible as bare feet. Less chance of spreading ringworm and the like
great job. What Feders are you using?
+robert paulson All swords used in videos will be posted in the video description. We used the Dobringer and Ensifer feders.
thank you much, keep up the good work
Put Jaime lannister to shame
Good match. Remember your footwork when you strike and parry. Your sword is your shield. Steeping in your strikes in a circular pattern to keep your sword in position and maintain threatening strikes. Every undefended strike should be a kill.
Amazing Duplierian! (I know I just butchered that!😅)
Redman A Duplieren :)
I FINALLY PULLED IT OFF IN SPARRING! SO HAPPY! :)
Wut would u suggest for one who wants to get into hema I also wanted to know if u had to bring full body protection and gear being a noob
1:06
Is this german longsword?
yes
Dis is propa... Almost makes me... want to... WAAAAAGH!!!
projecta3halkida Cheeky git, I'll set Skullmuncha on ya. He'll make a nice toofpik out of da stik ya call a Cheynsawd. He'll hav ya gutz fa gartas he will.
Moar!
+haunter Pr1me You got it! We post two sparring videos a month provided nothing goes horribly wrong :)
+Blood and Iron HEMA :D
Is there any HEMA schools in Regina Sk?
Why do some of you fight without shoes on?
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Do you guys not count thrusts in your bouts?
Of course we use thrusts in sparring! Though on the whole we tend to be a much more cutty school.
Nobody:
The boys locker room: this video
Does your scoring assume they would not be wearing armor? Most of those hits/slashes would have done little more than bruise a properly armored person.
Yes, this is unarmoured fighting
The channel name reminds of house words from game of thrones
wrr, tallx s inferiox boat , doesn tmatter