Boeing 737! MAX is BACK! Re-certification and understanding MCAS! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE
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Dear friends and followers, welcome back to my channel!
In today's video we'll be looking at the famous Boeing 737 MAX. What caused the grounding of this plane? What did Boeing do to get her certified? I'll give you a better understanding of the MCAS system. The easiest explanation on how the system works by using a bicycle! I'll briefly mention the Angle of Attack vane that caused the problems with the MCAS! Is it safe to fly this beautiful airplane again?
Thank you very much for your time! I hope you enjoy this video!
Wishing you all the best!
Your "Captain" Joe
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Another brilliant video Joe, that last 90 seconds were so powerful and true, respect!
...... real words........ 👍👍👍
Love your first name buddy ;)
@Stefan Haha awesome buddy! Yeah love some aviation content, watched Joe's stuff for many years! Hope you're loving the M2! Cheers
Another disaster thanks to Trump’s FAA. Hopefully now with Biden the aviation professionals will be back in charge.
Yeah I'm surprised to Joe here as well... small world indeed
I was flying with American Airlines from Frankfurt to the US in December 2019, or let's say, I was supposed to. Thankfully, a conscious pilot decided to turn back to the gate as he noticed a small error. It was really not a big deal but didn't want to put his passengers in danger and turned back immediately. Even though AA had to manage to rebook all the passengers and to somehow get us to the US, plus pay for the canceled flight because of technical issues, I was very thankful that the pilot decided the way he did. No money on earth brings back dead people.. Thank you!
Nice to hear they have concious pilots!
Nice fly
@Mr. E.W Good question. I honestly don't remember but he didn't make a big deal out of it. Still big enough that he had to cancel the flight.
MCAS: Money Comes Above Safety
Well played.
Yep.
Boeing : I like money
Everyone :what inspired you to create the 737 MAX
Boeing : M O N E Y
Superb
quite literally.. and it makes me SICK to think about haha
Rest in Peace to these almost 350 lost souls and my condolences to their family members, friends and loved ones!
Only about making profit.
Nobody is resting.
@@North_West Check out Boeing's profit after those crashes.
@@AnimMouse They didn't inform the pilots after test Flying and they installing the System. That why its only about making profit dumbass.
It's scary to think that the future of corporate America will only be held accountable to the amount of fatalities it takes for them to reach their next milestone. Keep loading those congressional pockets.
She's back. Now with sections blowing out mid-air!
the truth sometimes hurts bro
it's crazy how they could design a system that takes full control relying on a single sensor that can fail. Even the drive-by-wire accelerator pedal in your car has triple redundancy.
It was intentional because 737 already had automated stabilizer trim and the reasoning was that MCAS failure is no different from stabilizer trim failure. Both have similar endcome and both must be dealt with similar action. However, as far as I know, MCAS changes the trim faster which gives less time to pilots to figure out the problem. That was the part where Boeing was greedy and instead of requiring additional training for the pilots, the got FAA to believe that MCAS was similar enough to older system that it doesn't need any extra training.
The pilots should have been trained about MCAS failure handling as a memory item even if it has redundant sensors because once it fails, you don't have time to search for the correct procedure.
The reasons is to avoid pilot training. MCAS is actually uses both sensors (Left & Right) but not at the same time. It's switch sensors between each flight and only one at the time for that flight. This has been reveal from whistle blower that Boeing know if they are using both sensors at the same time. FAA will required them to do additional pilot training in the simulator. This because by using both sensors, it will indicated that system is safety critical and pilot needs to be train on how to react if the system fail. Boeing deliberately designed MCAS to use one sensor, so they could claim that Max plane could save Airline money because it doesn't required pilot training.
@@mukamuka0 Wow! I didn't know that pilot training is *required* if a feature is redundant. That explains the full MCAS failure!
Honestly it is still a bad design, its a software fixing a hardware bug. What is actually the solution for the mcas so the plane can be recertified?
@@MikkoRantalainen people keep saying "Boeing was greedy" but completely forget that it is the _airlines_ who have to pay to train pilots and who obviously coerced Boeing into cutting corners, and they had FAA help in that regard. Trying to blame Boeing but failing to see the big picture is tragic. It was the airlines who started this whole fiasco, by being too cheap to train their pilots - so they forced the manufacturer to issue an obviously different plane under the same type certificate, so said training could be avoided.
Measure twice; cut once and never take shortcuts when it comes to safety, particularly when you also have other people's lives in your hands.
I see what you did there lol
The problem it has often been said goes back to the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas merger. An engineer lead company, Boeing, was reverse taken over by a suit lead culture MD. An expensive false economy ensued. .
I don't think people or management teams in general knowingly took shortcuts on safety, for the sake of saving a few bucks on each flight, but unfortunately they also didn't know/understand/realize what were the consequences on safety of some decisions they took. The intention behind the MCAS was good I believe, but did they (want to) realize the side effects ? Perfection doesn't exist. The only way is to test, test, test and test again, in all kind of apparently stupid and meaningless situations. This takes time, a lot of time. And Joe is 100% right: don't rush, take all the time needed.
@@adewouters and they choose not to take the time.
They'll lose another for technical reasons soon enough.
My heart goes out to all the families affected by the max crashes. Cant imagine the horror the pilots and passengers endured while the aircraft were diving toward the ground.
Never rush when dealing with another persons life
Amazing video as always.. Captain Joe God bless you and keep you safe wherever you are...and thank you for the class again!!!
Go tell that to soldiers during war😂😂
The bicycle was a very good example, which I found out the hard way! when I was young I delivered newspapers with my bicycle. The first time my bike was fully loaded with a lot of newspapers on the back I was so stupid to try a wheelie. I flipped over backwards and the whole street was littered with newspapers!
Oh my god, I have image in my head!
@@flywithcaptainjoe It was just as bad as you think ;-)
F
I did that the first time I got a mountain bike with a ridiculously low bottom gear. It must have looked ridiculous but happily there was nobody there to see it.
The bike should have been grounded
I think the ending message was extremely appropriate.
Thank you very much!
Agree!
I agree too, He spoke facts and was totally right about how greedy Boeing was for profit in this situation.
Like this vid Capt Joe, but that sounds very ‘MzeroA’ regardless of how true it is
@@flywithcaptainjoe as your subscribers and viewers, we thank you
Yep, It's grounded again! This time for a plug door that doesn't want to stay closed.
My understanding is that investigators discovered on the voice cockpit recording that the Ethiopian Air crew had seen the alert released after the Lion Air crash and correctly determined that their problem was being caused by MCAS, but that by the time they switched off MCAS they were simply heading down with too much velocity to pull out in time, which somehow feels doubly tragic. They were doing everything right, they just didn't have enough time to save themselves.
My father flew the 727 for years and retired on that airframe in 1990. We had a reverence for Boeing. “If it’s not Boeing, we’re not going” was a saying and testament to the trust we put in the safety culture of Boeing. Since the relocation of Boeing headquarters from Seattle to Chicago in the mid 1990’s there has been a titanic shift in the focus of the company. It’s telling when a company moves its HQ from its center of R&D, design, engineering, production, and “ancestral home” to a financial center.
I think it was the merger with McDonnell- Douglas where business executives somehow know more than the engineers.
737 MAX and 787, the first planes built by business executives and not by airplane engineers. They should be held accountable. Safety cultures and excellence starts at the top. Chasing after short term profits clearly backfired.
Now the new slogan is Airbus or Bust.
Now: “if it’s Boeing, we ain’t going”
@@drgLACity Airbus or Bust
The sad part is that the managers that were responsible for the bad decisions and culminated in all of this will not be held liable themselves - no one's going to prison.
Just like the CRIMINALS who run Washington DC!
@@websurfin9575 The world is corrupted and that’s probably never gonna change.
Should airbus go to prison for the air France crash?
@@LeolaGlamour Clearly, the company cannot go to prison. However, companies are run by people, and the people involved should be held liable, depending on the details of the case.
For example, if managerial decisions to save a buck result in loss of life, then why shouldn't the people who put money above customer safety be held liable?
@@code-dredd
So again should the managers of any plane company in the history of ever go to jail?
Amazing video as always,God bless you and keep you safe wherever you are Captain Joe...and thank you for the class again!
Joe I'm a new subscriber to your channel.im a aviation enthusiast and have been following various channels ,links for a long time now. I must say that I'm very very impressed with the way you justify on the topic of discussion .From the time LION AIR max8 crashed I had anxiety .now that's sorted after a clear understanding of MCAS.
Thanks for your subtle explanation and do come up with more informative videos in the future .
Really appreciate your work!!
What happens when you let accountants run a company instead of the engineers.
Not just accountants. Shareholders. Quick money on the cheap! 😉 They all 🤞🤞
If you let engineers to run it, they wont make any money. You idiot
James McNerney was not an accountant (he was a Harvard MBA).
Bean counters strike again!!!
@Steven Strain what happened was that the CEO needs to keep board and shareholders happy and their only concern is what colour their next Mercedes Benz S class will be.
One of the documentaries said that Ethiopian pilots deactivated MCAS and they were in such a hard dive, that they could not manually adjust the trim. They turned the switches back on in the hopes it would trim up. Such a shame.
If you have seen the full documentary its also stated there if pilots didnt act in 10 seconds there is no going back. This 10 second was not mentioned prior to the ethiopian accident, they were just told deactivating will able them to take control back, no time limit was mentioned. Plus boeing was against the need of pilots simulation training towards max, despite the fact that the max has major system upgrade which can lead to fatal accident if action is not taken in less than 10sec( which they are expected to do without enough understading of the system)... the shame is on boeing! making them fly blindfolded
Thank you Joe for this video and thank you for your words at 13:04.
This needs to be heard by everyone who works in the aviation industry, no matter whether they're pilots, engineers, ATCs, FAA workers or CEOs!
Captain Joe explains each and every details so perfectly that he should be teaching in the world's best Aviation University! Keep it up!!
Don't want to say he isn't, but there are a few mistakes in this video.
Everyone like this so he do a video on this. "What do pilots do in the cockpit while cruising on long haul flights" Please answer this Captain Joe.
I'll make a video about it then
@@flywithcaptainjoe YEEESS
While cruising, pilots need to monitor all systems, fuel burn etc.
When they get bored, they shake it a little.
" Ladies and Gentlemen, we're having some turbulence"
I have always wondered that actually!
I truly appreciate this video, especially the last part. Thank you!
Thanks Captain Joe for letting me understand easily how the MCAS works, its problems, and the how the 737 MAX became problematic since its service. Kudos to your channel 👍
An important detail left out, there are two alpha (angle of attack) vanes on the 737 MAX, but originally MCAS was designed to operate off of only one of them. As an IT engineer I was livid to learn that supposed professionals at Boeing would create a safety critical system with such a glaring single point of failure.
I still think there should be three AoA vanes on a Max. The A320 has 3 AoA vanes so that if one is faulty and gives a bad reading, the computers on board can isolate it as faulty due to the readings of the other two.
@@cjmillsnun That's even better.
@@cjmillsnun and even so in an Airbus even if the AoA fails and it pitches down you just switch off 2 FACs and it reverts to alternate law or even down to direct law where pilot has control and alfa protections are disabled (it happent a few times allready).. considering how much pride Boeing marketing put in pointing out that the Boeings were all "pilot planes" where the pilot is who is in command and not "some computer" one would expect the MAX to be easily riden or any asistance on a switch or something...
@@stever4899 the programming was outsourced to people not familiar with the way of thinking in the aviation industry (low labor costs).
@@sparrowlt Bingo! You got it! Bigger question is why the FAA does not get it (ONE switch to disable ALL the automation).
neo = No Engineering Oopsies
For anyone wondering it’s new engine option but no engineering oopsies makes more sense to annoy Boeing
Yes I love it
N: New
E: Engine
O: Option
But
N: No
E: Engineering
O: Oopsies
Sounds more reasonable
No engine Option lol, im just joking. I love Airbus
NEO stands for new engine opción
If you don't know, NEO also had some engineering oopsies
Brilliant video Captain!
Especially the last part of the video hit home.
Simplifying flying for simpletons like myself. Thanks captain Joe
One would argue that she is more widely known to be ‘infamous’ rather than ‘famous’...!
wouldn't call that an argument, I'd call that a fact.
14:22 Best decision Captain Joe!
I respect his decision, but I do not fully understand the argument behind it. Respect to what/whom? Or does he mean to speculate on crashes before the official (NTSB or other bureau) reports?
I've seen people make the very strange claim that discussion boards discussing an air accident might somehow "distract" the official investigation. Utter nonsense of course. In the case of the 737 Max discussions, one forum appeared to include an employee of Boeing or a subcontractor (speculation alert) that was an active party to the discussions and they were making outlandish excuses for Boeing, and were actively concocting reasons for blaming the pilots. His claims were strongly refuted.
It's fair game that a prominent CZcams channel (1.4M subscribers here) might wish to avoid controversy, and avoid getting ahead of the official investigation. That's fair and perfectly reasonable.
Hello cap! Although I’m not a pilot, just an enthusiast, I really enjoy your videos. Congrats! Regards from Brazil.
Thank you for this video. Well explained and concise. I appreciate you mentioned souls lost in the accidents and not passengers. It's respectful and considerate.
you can tell joe puts a lot of time and effort into these videos. Much respect, and keep up the good work!
Thank you for appreciating that!
Most definitely. When Captain Joe does finally retire from flying, he'd make a great aviation consultant.
Boeing got greedy and got a well-deserved smackdown.
Well Boeing is not a person but gets rights of a person. But executives working for Boeing and owning lots of stock of Boeing deserve convictions for all the crimes they committed including mass murder. Boeing as a corporation has executives that are very rich in money but poor in character and back bone and not very smart even . These people live off the charity of a massive corporation they have control over. They use this control to steal from everyone the corporation touches from workers to customers to government agents that are suppose to regulate the product they produce. They get to act as there own dictatorship and then sit back and claim they are just being good businessmen(businesswoman). BULL SHIT.
No the FAA was dumb
Lion Air had shocking training. It was 95% their fault.
Not enough apparently. They continue their behaviors.
@@richardpluim4426 737 max is the goat plane
First rate video. Obviously a labor of love. Outstanding analogy and graphics. Thank you.
This has eased my concerns about flying the MAX, Thankyou
"Corporate Greed" is the key word here. I want to see Mullenburg the CEO in Jail.
death penalty!
@@pavelfernandezdotnet Exactly. When can a regular human kill 300 people and not get the death penalty?
@@benghazi4216 ask Cuomo
On the contrary He was given very high severance package by Boeing when he resigned. Until the last moment he was insisting that max is a safe plane. He was the guy who was behind many wrong doings in Boeing.
@@allgrainbrewer10 Yes his capitalist tendencies has destroyed the health care system in New York, and thus more died.
But have you asked Trump btw?
That plane still scares the hell out of me
i'm more scared of stepping in a 40 year old jumbo that's been flyin ever since.
@@steffiesing5449 and still hasn’t crashed....
it should
I travel the globe abit and honestly am still terrified of flying (unless drunk/drugged). Here's how I look at it. The A320 didn't have a great start either (Air France Flight 296). It literally "landed" itself in a wooded forest at the Paris airshow. Airbus blamed the pilot and did everything to stop people looking into their design flaw. The 737 Max is a somewhat similar story. Moving forward to 2021, the 737 Max is the most scrutinised aircraft in the history of aviation. MCAS was only the first issue (other issue arose and then many more for each alteration). I would have to say that if the head of the FAA is happy to stick his kids on it, then the problem is no longer with the plane. Keep in mind the flight before the Lion Air crash, MCAS did kick in and they took the appropriate steps and continued with the flight. The crew of the crashed plane failed to comprehend the power of MCAS on trim and it was until the aircraft was handed to the first office (who didn't put enough input to overpower the system) that the plane crashed. All planes have issues and like planes, airlines also have issue (training etc). I would rather travel on a 737 Max over any other plane (short-haul), minus 737NG (which are just amazing planes. Just keep in mind the amount of time spent to make sure this would never happen again. Happy flying
@@steffiesing5449 Amen. My last flight was a Fokker 100 where I was in the emergency exit row. I didn't know the slides (blinds) do not go down in that row. Anyways we ended mid flight with the entire plastic panel on-top of me. The flight attendant said it happens all the time. Let's just say no more Fokkers for me
Stumbled upon your video re pets on board. Cody's woof sealed it for me lol. This one on the MCAS is insightful and informative. Also appreciate your perspective on air travel and safety. Great videos! Look forward to bingewatching
Thanks Captain Joe. I enjoy your videos because you're always articulate and very informative in basic terminology for us mere mortals
Hands-down, the most informative video that I have watched, related to the 737 MAX. That last part of the video sent shivers down my spine and I think it should be a staple of the training programs for all activities related to the aviation industry !
You neglected to mention that in the environment where everything is redundant, the MCAS only relied on the single AOA sensor, even though the plane has 2 onboard. It would be interesting to hear the analysis of this. Thank you for the great content.
It would switch every flight to the other AOA so it would only crash every other flight unless both failed.
PROSPERITY
BONANZA
HONESTY
Truly terrible systems engineering. Lack of redundancy, automatic system which continually overrides pilot input, and an airplane with challenging handling characteristics in the first place. Boeing should've started with a clean-sheet instead of forcing engines that don't fit.
@@benjaminschwartz7616 Making the AoA sensor disagree warning an extra option the airlines could order was a big red flag for me.
@@benjaminschwartz7616 I heard Boeing didn't want MCAS to use >1 sensor's data at a time as that would be legally considered a 'major' change, which mandates additional recertification, which result in additional cost & duration needed for development
Excellent explanation, the best I've found, THANK YOU!
Thanks Captain Joe! Such a valuable information!
I started with my PPL training this week. You are one of the reasons I wanted to pursue a career as a pilot. Thank you Joe🔥
I'm very happy to hear that! Enjoy your training!
@@flywithcaptainjoe Thank you Joe! 💙
Awesome video Joe! Greatly in-depth as always, a true inspiration to any aspiring aviator!
Excellent info, thank you!
Thanks for this clear elaboration about the MCAS. I now understand the reasons behind the two tragedies of MAX 8
NEO stands for New Engine Option.
Correct, and it's a very clever name, since Neo also mean New/Revised in Latin.
You are so good at explaining how things work, why they're there and what they do! I wish you all of a sudden released 100 new videos so I could binge watch them! I can't wait for new video's, I also re-watch your video's all the time! Great channel, great job! Thank you!!
This video deserves a like for sure.. Thumbs Up!
Love this video. That is a good prepareness for my pilot interview for Ryanair.
I was waiting for this video. Thanks Joe!
Great explanations, as always, thanks a lot! And great statement at the end!
Brilliant video Joe .
Shame on Boeing and the FAA! This will hurt the Boeing brand for many years to come.
It was at one time 'Going BOEING'
now it is 'BOEING going'
Note that BOEING is correct Boeing is not correct.
Mixed Caps names are 'Given Names' ... Names given by parents to their Sons and Daughters
CORPORATIONs; like the CORPSES in the morgue and the Cemetery are DEAD entities.
This is why when you look at gravestones, they are written in ALL CAPS, because they are DEAD.
Also why we have the BODY CORPORATE, as a body is a DEAD ENTITY.
For that reason (one should not say Somebody / everybody unless referring to the DEAD.
One is a unique number. One is Alive. There is No one like you, and there never will be.
Therefore the correct words are > someone / everyone <
The education system has become an indoctrination system that does not teach much of
anything useful, nor correct grammatical English nor does it teach Latin.
It merely provides information on how to pass an exam.
CORPORATIONs do not care. No one can care about anything when they are DEAD.
Hence their motivation is 'Money' / Constant increasing profits.
Just need a couple of the NEO planes to present their pilots with another Airbus anomaly, then they will be the bad guy again.
@@andrew_koala2974 I'm curious...do people often accept your arbitrarily made up rules for grammar and naming conventions?
@Jason Unless you state those numbers as a proportion of the whole group, it’s meaningless. The number of Boeings currently IN SERVICE, isn’t a lot less than the total number of planes Airbus has built since they started.
I am glad, that company I am working for as AMT is pushing policy of "take your time when you are doing your job, safety first" I am really glad for that
I was ready to fly for the first time before this happened, I have severe fearof flight, and the time i finally said "im going to do this" all this news came out and was just another nail into the coffin for me on not every wanting to fly. Finding out about the possible corner cuttings, the lack of communication to pilots, etc. grounded me for another year or so. I finally took my first flight last week in an a-320 and i must say it was nice, i did feel safe, while i did over think every little sound and bump i made it. I hope to keep doing this as there is alot of places and people i would like to meet, and i hope this is a learning experience for the companies that you can only stay the safest form of travel by not cutting corners.
Blue sky's and happy landings, glad you have your wings! 😁
You are a great person and professional, Captain Joe! Thanks for this video.
Im so glad you mentioned that last part captain joe. Thats why im your subscriber
Thanks for this brilliant video Captain Joe. I was really mad at Boeing for such a negligent act when I actually found out what happened after the 2 737Max air crashes.
I like this man's tone and composure. Nicely explained.
Thanks so much for this chrystal clear explanation! Did Boeing react to this video? I guess they are not too pleased with aviation professionals like yourself expressing their thoughts about cutting corners.... please keep up the good work!
Another outstanding video C.J. THANK YOU ! Excellent explanation for us non pilots. In almost any aspect of life, car repair, cooking a meal, ENGINEERING AN AIRCRAFT, cutting corners is, at best, disturbing. At worst, sickening.
Please keep doing what you do. Exactly as you see fit. You and yours be safe, healthy and happy.
Love the SloMo Guys slow motion effect to underscore your serious talking points :)
I love your snippet at the end, honest and true!
That was brilliant Cap Joe
Captain Joe's videos are the BEST!!
Just returned from another Captain Joe video !
Fantastic vid !
I was Boeing AOG mechanic for over 10 years and left in 2016 because I saw all this coming! I went from loving where I worked to hating my job! Hopefully they fix it.
Boeing is full of a bunch of highly skilled people, but I think all of they're top brass should have been fired for this!
10:38 When you realize that you know more about MCAS than most pilots do.
Did
If you use them too late it is too late and you won't be able to trim back.
737 should be flown with a crew of 3 people as this AC definitely needs a flight engineer on board to handle all the nasty little engineering oopsies.
Informative video Captain . I'm always learning even though I'm not a Pilot. I love to listen to you.
Im glad she back
Excellant video; helpful to clear the remaining dark in my mind about theMCAS system and max 737 facts.
Thanks Joe
WOW, the last seconds of the video made me feel in a world I want to be in.
NEO: The One
Your profilepicture says it all
New engine option
@@chensich7519 Really?
Thank you Captain Joe,very informative
Excellent video and explanation of the issues with this plane.
Very well said ! I can see this happening where I work! “Rushing projects is a potencial risk of failure “ almost warranted! Awesome video to show to any company!
You should also check James Asquith CZcams video as he gave his honest review regarding the 737 max :) if it is really safe haha
I as a cyclist would say, "I'm not riding that bike with all those stones on the luggage rack. Especially with these powerful legs I have. It's totally unsafe."
wot u talk`n`bout willis?
That makes sense if you understand the aerodynamics (in the case of a plane). It’s basic physics. But it seems like pilots weren’t trained in the physics of this particular change. Did they not know about the change in engine placement - or more importantly what that would do to the center of gravity? And even worse, some pilots didn’t even know there WAS an MCAS - so why would the suspect something would be different with the cog?. My daughter is applying for university aviation programs and they spend quite a bit of time on physics and aerodynamics. College level classes. But what if you don’t obtain your commercial training at a university? Do those pilots receive the same training in physics and aerodynamics? I honestly don’t know. The pilots in those smaller, less wealthy countries may not have had the same training. It’s an interesting question I’d never considered before. Thanks for the insight!
@@jahbern Boeing did not tell the pilots about the new MCAS. It was Boeing's job to inform about new software or procedures.
Absolutely! !! Best example! I will never fly that thing. I prefer to try a Red Bull just for respecting people who died because a financial decision. The 737-max licence should be revocated but again they will take a wrong financial decision.
It was just a chalkboard example.
Thank you a brilliant Video.
I just flew in one without knowing until I pulled the card in front of my seat. I pulled my phone right away to google it because I got pale and needed to know when the 800 MAX started flying. Well, it was a pleasant flight, quiet, a lot of space because I was on an emergency exit (that kept me calm somehow) and I would love to just keep flying on this one and the Dreamliner 😂. Great video capi
For all Germans here, I can recommend you a documentary from WDR about Boeing. It is called „Boeings tödliches System“. Very interesting!
Werde ich mir anschauen
Danke dir!
@Steven Strain I wish more English native speakers would say that 👍🏼
@Steven Strain I'm a native English speaker who has learned German. I recommend it. Wenn man Deutsch kann, dann wird man viele interessante Sachen lesen koennen. Deutsch ist ja eine wichtige Sprache. Sie klingt mir auch angenehm.🙂.
Thank you for that Capitan joe. It’s a shame people lost there lives to greed.
They were murdered.
@@ericbanner7630 manwomanslaughter
@@ericbanner7630 by 737 max
Thank you for your final, professional comments on the behavior of aircraft manufacturers. You would know how important they are for me. Reliability can not be argued in any way. Thank you.
Excellent video!
Joe, thanks for those explanations around the angle of attack - really clear!
Joe who
Joe mama
Hey Capt Joe... Just want to say another great vid, always makes my Thursday. I just finished my school work, and I’m greeted with ur vid. Literally the best feeling in the world. Keep it up buddy!! 😁😉😉
Your comment keeps me working hard on future videos ;)
@@flywithcaptainjoe joe mama
It is a sport between Boeing and Airbus and clearly Boeing rested on its laurels, then panicked and fast tracked into disaster! Great video with animations and some pearls of wisdom!
Well said, great video.
One thing I didn’t hear you mention, which mystifies me, is why Boeing designed MCAS to take data from only one AOA vane. Everything else on the aircraft has one or more redundancy. Neither of these crashes would have happened.
I've seen a suggestion that working MCAS off two vanes would somehow have highlighted it as a safety-critical system which would then have invoked heavier certification & training requirements. By just driving it off one vane they could pretend it was just an unimportant adjustment that nobody needed to worry about. (But I agree, just driving a system that had the potential to cause a crash, off a single sensor - and these things have a known failure rate - is just bananas).
Yes, if it had 2 inputs, it would have required recertification of the pilots to fly it. To save money and encourage the airlines to buy the Boeing plane over the Airbus it was competing with.
You said it right sir... Corporate greed which resulted in loss of so many innocent souls😢😢
Yes, including the greedy cell phone companies that made the phone your probably holding. Several hundred Chinese workers have killed them selves over the past 15 year while working for these phone manufacturing companies that Apple contracts work too. Gonna throw your blood phone away?
@@superskullmaster oh shut up you deflector
The greed starts with passengers demanding the cheapest ticket. Plenty of “greed” to go around. To suggest some sort of “corporate greed” is just plain silly. Any business tries to balance cost and outcome, and human beings make mistakes. But to suggest a collective will to intentionally allow this fiasco to occur is superficial thinking at best. It’s a series of human errors that collectively culminated in a tragedy.
@@superskullmaster Silly logic. The number of suicides is statistically normal as a percent of workers employed. And you have zero idea of the other factors in these workers lives.
@@cogitoergospud1 The greed of Boeing went way overboard. Their objective was to stay competitive against the A320-NEO at all costs (but not their cost). And in order to save time they deliberately disregarded all safety concerns by downplaying and hiding vital information from everyone from the FAA to pilots, client companies and passengers. They are not only greedy but also huge liars pretending a piece of software that can reject and override pilot actions on the flight commands is just a minor thing not worthy of mentioning.
Thinking it would have been so much easier to increase the landing gear height but I know that would have involved major manufacturing changes and probably re certification. Still it seems like it would have been worth in in hindsight considering the ongoing damage to Boeings reputation and loss of revenues. Great video Joe, glad I found your channel.
Fascinating video and information.
I'll be honest I still don't 100% trust it. I'd want to see 6 months of trouble free flights before I go near it
That's very reasonable compared to some people who won't even fly on a Boeing again. I can entirely understand your viewpoint.
hmm. its up to the Ticket Price XD
Agreed. I hope it'll be like the DC10. Started out as a very problematic aircraft with many incidents, but ended up being one of the most iconic aircraft ever and some still fly to this day. Let's hope the 737MAX is the same because besides the crashes, it's a very capable and economical aircraft and very nice to look at in my opinion.
The plane has already gone through so many checks and exams, it will be the safest plane out there. I would gladly be one of the first passengers to get on one
@Nic Lazzari I’d hardly call that a dictation, just a reasonable assumption.
Straight from insta, glad to be early
The right path you choose (Speaking in "Yoda" voice;) )
@@flywithcaptainjoe joe mama
Respect and love thank you so much
Brilliantly explained.
Lesson: rushing things can have major consequences
The crazy thing to me. Is Boeing CEOs actually allowed for this to happen just to try to save a few dollars.
An Airplane is one of the few products in the world, Where you should never cut corners and rush to the sales floor. Your business runs on razor thin margins already, there should be a an absolute 0 tolerance in ever thinking about selling a plane that is not 1000% optimal.
When you make a good quality product, you won't ever have to worry about going broke. Because your reputation as being best of best will always keep you alive, and you will alway make sales without even trying as hard.
Like seriously was it worth it that you saved let's just say 2 billion dollars ( yes it's a ton of money to save) but you rushing out a bad product that is literally in control of millions of people lives yearly. Now all your planes are crashing due to selling a less than quality product then normal. Your basically committing company sucied!
@@JDBass36 there have been plenty of Airbus crashes. Your problem is the greed part, not the loss of life, because if you cared about that you wouldn’t just be stringing Boeing up.
@@superskullmaster Well I should had meant in general. And yes plane crashes are going to happen, it's impossible to ever predict and of course nothing is 100% fail proof.
But I'm attacking Boeing for knowingly cutting corners and knowing that it wasn't 100% safe to continue to build planes that way. I know it takes a ton of money, time, and development to make a brand new plane, . But don't sacrifice quality for quick profits.
Because a few string of preventable errors on your part. That will kill your companies brand easily. Why would I buy your plane or car or boat if I know your trying to cut corners. You will lose me as customer very quickly.
@@JDBass36 I work in aircraft manufacturing. Trust me, everyone cuts corners. The difference is, when you work on the scale of civil airliners, problems are more likely to make the news.
@@superskullmaster Oh I definitely don't doubt that companies cuts corners, I get it it's very expensive to run a business.
But if there's a few things in the world that should never even be considered to afford to cut corners. It would probably be Airplanes, and Cars.
The Airplane industry is already a tough business to be in, and it's probably one of the most sensitive businesses in the world to be in.
There is nothing faster that can kill your airplane business than having a bunch of your planes crashing due to poor manufacturing.
You are going to put fear in customer's in flying your brand of planes. No customers = No profit for Airlines = Airlines will refuse to buy your planes = Your business is DEAD....!