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Thanks for all your hard work. I hope you realize that you are the number one go-to source for all things Mallory and Irvine. I have learned a great deal from your videos. What sets you apart from others who are trying to be that is that you are willing to engage with others and you are always ready to change your mind given the evidence. Same can't be said for many others.
So, when Mallory and Irvine arrived at the Citadelle at about 1.30p.m., they logically must have climbed straight on as they had no time left to scout for other options. From the top of it, there seem to be no obstacle on the snow ridge to get to the summit they might have reached by 4 p.m. With a long descent ahead, they were caught by the night and as they had forgotten or left their torch in high camp, one of them might have stumbled or slipped in the dark and towed away his mate, less than one hour from the safety of their camp... If some climbers could take the zigzag route and the Citadelle, they might find indicative items on the way...
Hello! I have the National Geographic magazines from the 1963 Western Ridge climb mentioned in this vid. And I also have the 1978 K2 ascent (US). And I have the 1999 Discorvery of Mallory's body. And the one they put out on Shakleton and the Endurance, but that is another day. Anyway. I enjoy being able to pipe up that I have these issues. The ones from the 60s and 70s came to me in 2002 when an aunt and uncle moved house. The 90s ones I have because I was a subscriber. I'm a bit of an armchair moutaneer after, along with half the popuation, reading Into Thin Air in about 1998. And then, WHOA, I really was able to appreciate the treasure trove of those magazines I'd inherited! The maps! The stories! I ended up over the next few years amassing a bit of a little library, I'd absent myself from work for the 2 hour sneak lunch at the bookstore, poring over the adventure section and trying to choose just one book, promising I could come back the next paycheck. And yes, I would have to agree the organization is a shadow of itself. I kind of.. jerked up in tears when I found out they were selling out to RMurdoch. They tried to put a good spin on it but you knew it was going to be impossible. Well, actually, the first time I jerked up in tears was a while prior to that when they went to the glossy and thinner paper! I used to LOVE the quality of the photos on the paper. Some of which ended up in montages. Anyway. . Thanks for reading my comment, if you do! : ) Cheers
g'ma gave me a full 1930-1965 set of NatGeos when I was 7. We didn't have TV so it was my education, along with the World Book Encyclopedias I read out of boredom.
I feel like it’s useless going after National Geographic or The Searchers, the only way we can solve this is by getting someone up on the mountain to either find Irvine or look for traces along a zigzag route. Your analysis of routes, notable climbs and M&I stuff are your best videos. New perspectives like this drone footage are awesome and add so much more to those of us regular folk who will never get anywhere near Everest
Yeah, I went there in 2018 to do just that. But too much snow. The issue with the drone photos and other photos from the 2019 year is that there was low snow. There is low snow about 1 year in 10. So, even going there, it is going tone hit or miss... with a lot more miss. It is not just the drone photos from 2019. The teams will not post any of their photos of the area below the ice axe site and that leads me to believe there is a reason for that other than simply not wanting to make money selling the photos they took.
@@michaeltracy2356 Appreciate the reply- and that makes more sense now taking the snow coverage into account. That definitely makes NatGeo’s silence more frustrating. The upside is that if your hunch is correct and they DID notice something unusual on examination, then we may be on the verge of breakthrough now that the reds are opening up the north side again. Let’s just hope that any team they put together has the resources and forensic expertise to handle the recovery like a crime scene. I tend to be more forgiving of the 1999 searchers than you but I do understand where you’re coming from. You only get one shot at analyzing the virgin scene and a wrong move in good faith can destroy critical clues you hadn’t even imagined may be relevant. They seemed like professional climbers who tried to wear detective hats for a day the best way they knew how. I was impressed with Jake Norton’s humility in admitting as much. I am assuming 1999 was a low-snow year as well?
A true shame Nat Geo is like this, really wish they'd just release that damn stuff ASAP for the people to see. Oh well :/ btw nice editing in this video, looks really good! And that climbing photo is oddly cool to look at.
If we want Nat Geo to release the footage it won't be money that sways them but public opinion. If we could get enough people to do the Twitter thing I'm sure someone at the company would take notice.
Working on it on Twitter but I suggest we have an assistant editor just steal the footage for us off their server. I’m an editor myself, maybe I can get a copy if I find out who’s working there and smoke them out? Just an idea
Agree with you 100% about American corporations. TLC now shows learning material like sister wives. A&E shows murder related shows…u know, So much art & entertainment in murder cases. #GOP sponsors #SOCIALISM for Top Wealth & Corps. Great narrative and info re Mt Everest. Tyty
How has it alluded the mountaineering books I have read for so many years that this climb in1963 was actually an alternate way to climb the north side of Everest?
it would make sense the Chinese flew drones at their state sponsored leisure, located Irvine, and removed him - I have no proof of it, but since they control the mountain and all permits, the notion that the State would fly a drone, locate Sandy, and remove him would be the easiest way to remove all doubt and never allow the mystery to be solved, nor to have anything threaten their questionable "summit" in 1960 from the North. And it is somewhat logical and attainable. This likely would have had to happen sometime after 2005, (and certainly 1999) when interest in M&I began to gain momentum, and in a year when the mountain was closed, or off season - just getting to advanced base camp and flying from there - to go back at a later time if he was spotted.
Thanks so much for all of your fine efforts Michael! I have been hoping to come across a more detailed description of the zig-zag route, but not having much luck. Where should one look for the best info on this line?
It's interesting trying to pick your route to the summit without using modern aids because you're essentially seeing what Mallory and co saw. For instance, depending on the view or photo, "Maybe I'd head up to that spot because it looks like there's a little gully i could scrabble up to reach the final stretch to the summit or that doesn't look too steep, I could go direct and maybe have to do a tiny rock climb" As Michael said, angles, possible routes and heights are deceptive and you only really know when you're up there and face to face with it.
How hard would it be to go straight up the snow slope over the top of the citadel? Is it that the slope angle steepens considerably above where the modern climbers turn, making it too steep an effort for that altitude? Or is the snow generally too corniced on the edge beyond to do that safely? It sure looks like a climber could go straight up and cling to the rock edge at 3:59 but these things are clearly highly deceptive....That last photo is haunting when you put it that way.
Looking at that photo the logical way to go up is just continue the line till the top of the Pyramid. Maybe close to the top they went right to the rocks. Wandering around trying to find another rout is not very intuitive if you know the last push is over that pyramid top in a straight line.
Love the "Somewhere in the photo are M&I" quote. However, I was not seeing desperate but jubilant lads. The desperate came with the loss of moonlight and Everest, claiming the cost of being the first to summit. I think they knew it to be a one-way ticket at best, but for country and man, they accepted. The war made an impact on those lads.
From the drone angle the mountain in the background looks higher again - which peak would that be? I’m not a fan of surfing videos taken by drone either, unless the pilot is brave/foolish enough to get down close to water level.
Totally agree the more you look Irvine and Mallory compared to the Chinese,it seems like the first actually had real chances to the summit and the Chinese not so much...Going up there at 12 AM vs dark cos you were so slow/late to that point(correct me if I´m wrong in this),it seems like not very probable to see summit. I don´t know timing in the Everest,but M&I look like any other modern try to the summit,you get up in dark,and summit with sun and time to spend in the trip back to safety. If they were so late in the afternoon(Chinese), to me they din´t have a smooth climb by any mean,with lots of hours spend to reach that point looks like a painfully slow climb.
Hi Michael, I missed the significance of the NG drone pics Which video are you talking about them? AND are the drone pics suggesting .the location of Irvine?
I talk about the in the Watch. I highly suspect that the drone photos show something. Regardless of whether Irvine's location can be determined from them, numerous places Irvine is not can be determined -- and that is almost as valuable. Also the route and whether there might be oxygen bottles along the route which shall not be named is also a possibility.
Prepping projects for final online: source the original hi rez footage, create AAF, XML, OMF, ProRes & h.264 transcodes for mixer and colorist. They clearly have the original footage on a server based on the above job description for Nat Geo. Usually firms this size use Aspera and lowly assistant editors have access to the entire library. You only need one willing stoner to pull this off, easily achieved in the post production world. I’m far over qualified for their assistant editor position but I’m gonna apply anyway cuz if they hire me I can quickly steal a copy of the footage and just break my nda and give you it. I don’t care at all if I’m fired or blacklisted anyway, but I bet you can steal a copy a lot easier than you think you can Michael Tracy cuz if it’s anything like other post production jobs you’ll have a lot of underpaid people having access to their entire inventory of media fyi
The Everest issue of National Geographic, April 2022, shows the wrong mountain on the cover, I think. Can anyone confirm it? I posted this message with a link to the cover image, but I think YT deleted it.
April 2022 is a mountain in South America and does not claim to be Everest. I seem to recall some special "Everest" edition, but I can't find it -- just a bunch of links to Disney+. If you have a link, you can post it in the Yeti Academy and the Snow Monkeys will figure it out pretty quickly... discord.gg/bUVHTkVN
@@michaeltracy2356 The Amazon link says it's April 22, 2022. If you google "everest national geographic" it's the third picture that pops up on the top of the page. I tried to join the Yeti Academy last summer but something kept going wrong in the sign up process. I gave up. Will try again. UPDATE: success on joining Yeti Academy. Posted link there.
There are two false summits in that photo. If you approached the citadel direct, the top of the citadel would be the false summit. If you took the summit traverse and headed up, it would be the small bulge to the right of the citadel. At night with no moon (and the Chinese 1960 had no moon), it either could be confused with the summit as it would appear you were at the "top." Most likely the top of the citadel is where the Chinese were as that matches with the between snow and rock description of the summit and their rocks looks very light.
The sunset photo is so captivating. Knowing that Mallory and Irvine are desperately trying to get to their high camp. Considering that Mallory had his goggles in his pocket, is it safe to say that Mallory is probably still alive in the sunset photo ? Also, if Mallory did summit, not knowing the exact time of his summit, how long would it have taken him to descend through the couloir and traverse the North Face where his body was found ? Thank you.
Early in the season it was. So, when they flew the drone, it is not clear what they could have really seen. However, they did not bother flying the drone later in the season (that they have admitted to) when there was low snow. So, if they didn't find anything in the first flight because of the snow, they likely would have just taken it up again and done another flight once the snow blew off. It is not like taking an hour or so from North Col to snap some more pictures would interfere with their search of the summit for Irvine.
@@michaeltracy2356 Hey, I guess you heard , but you called it , anyway!! Thom Pollard is writing a book! He claims, he's taking a step back from youtube! Also the comment section was bothering him! He couldn't take it anymore!!
It was not until quite recently that I found out that Disney now controls National Geographic. VERY disillusioning. 😖😖😖 I can’t imagine what Alexander Graham Bell and the early Grosvenors would have thought…. I revered NG as a child. Not any more. Everything Disney touches is soiled.
Long ago I read a NG article describing a then Grosvenor Bell taking an elegant trip through the canals of France. "He must be rich to afford that," I thought. Then when he referred to his grandad, I realized why. His grandad, credited with inventing the telephone, got quite rich. His children and grandchildren were still enjoying that wealth. After this video I realized that, having inherited so much, they had no need to draw a huge salary from NG. They could concentrate on keeping it on mission. That's what has changed. The current leadership is no in it for the money.
wrote: Glad you saw the article and thanks for your interest. NG has been working on stitching all those drone photos into a composite image. I just checked in with them and it’s still a work in progress. Their plan, when it’s done, is to apply some AI scanning technology to it to look for anomalies. Apparently, the image and this new technology will be part of a new Everest exhibit at the NG museum at their headquarters in DC. That is on hold for the time being due to Covid. For this reason they’re not going to release the images to the public. We do appreciate the offer though. My dream is that eventually they will be open source and people like you could help in the effort. Thanks again - and all the best.
I had reached out the Renan a while back, and I just send him a note through his website. I don't understand Jake's point though. Did he talk to Renan? Presumably Jake wants to release to drone photos as well, so if Renan would not release them to Jake, why would he release them to me? It is not like whomever owns the rights does not know there are people who want to pay for them. Whomever owns the rights does not want to release them at this time for whatever reason.
When the 'DJI' video first came out a few months ago, I got into it extensively with some people on Reddit about the authenticity of the DJI "summit drone video!" The only evidence we have that this was actually done was the video itself, and the claims of DJI. I suggest people go back and watch the video again with "different eyes" and notice the extensive CGI enhancements done on the "terrain" provided! I would not be surprised if most of the video involved "superimposing" images and terrain to produce the desired end-product! The extent of the development now of video "deepfakes" is substantial, and has expanded to the point where a video just like this can be created "all on a keyboard," and the the majority of people on YT are clueless about what they,ve seen. Just simply look at the color-enhanced images of some of the terrain in the video- that is NOT natural light! Many of the "cloud formations" are highly suspect! It's questionable whether some of the shots were even of, or around Everest! The Mavic3 "launch from the summit" itself is very suspect, accompanied by the altitude-ticker to reinforce validity! Where is the queue of climbers? Notice the smooth-line as a substitute for where the climbers "steps" would be! Did he create that line by himself? Laughable! I need to see other evidence that the video-footage provided is authentic- other than referring to the video itself, or the word of DJI! Do they, in fact, admit to have launched a drone at the summit of Everest? These days you can just be ambiguous, and say "Summit lauch!," and that will be sufficient! If DJI is making the claim of authenticity, I'm calling them out on deceptive marketing and advertising! I already know the "blowback" I'm going to receive here! As Nietzsche wrote, "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies!" Many will understand what I'm pointing out when they re-watch the video! Others will stubbornly stick to its authenticity, because they'll look foolish otherwise, or they've been extensively "programmed" by schooling, Hollywood, and the media. Because of the Matrix we continually live in, and the relentless lies that are laid-out before us by the media at an ever increasing rate, I think it's important that I bring this up. We are overwhelmed and saturated with deceptive practices, everywhere we look now. In many ways, Baudrillard is the thinker of our age with his notions of the "simulacrum," "hyper-reality," and "signifiers!" Our world has turned into a fun house of mirrors! Below are a couple of links on just how far advanced some of this CGI technology actually is now. It's probably even more advanced than the "public awareness" of it! I'm going to email the DJI video to some computer graphics specialists and ask for their input! I'm not qualified to analyze or breakdown the "nuances" or "minutia" of what's happening on the video! Give me about 7-10 days, and I should have some Interesting replies! czcams.com/video/OF-lElIlZM0/video.html czcams.com/video/3vHvOyZ0GbY/video.html czcams.com/video/DzdkQVGevfMe/video.html
Interesting, I'll take another look. The problem I have is that even prior to deepfakes, there were numerous re-creations that were cut into "documentary" videos and you never know when you are looking at the real thing,
@@michaeltracy2356 Yup! When the video first came out, I was initially steered in this direction by someone's lengthy, and detailed comment on Reddit which triggered a lengthy debate at the time. I wish I could bring up the original subreddit from 5 months ago, but I have since been banned from Reddit for "wrong-think," and cannot remember the names and title, or whether it is even still available. This is definitively not my area of expertise, but your video post this morning reignited the topic for me! I've gone through some of the top VFX companies online today, like Pixar, DreamWorks, and Weta Digital, which is Peter Jackson's company; I'm going to contact a few this week and see if they are willing to have somebody briefly look at the DJI video, and give me a cursory analysis and conclusion. I'll see what I can come up with!
Mr tracy..good day sir...IV been following your work on this mystery we all since day one..I'm more of a fan than DIY hands on the books researcher concerning mal and sand...one thing I have been researching concerning Everest and that is from a biblical point...now I'm not going to go all religious conspiracy nut on you here but I feel like you may find it interesting that one of the non canonicals saying Noah's ark landed on the highest mountain in the world....and till this day?...there is a area on the mountain called the place of the ark...or where it rested...even the name Everest itself....where the descendants of Eve rested... If I'm not mistaken one of the shrines supposedly has some of the original wood on one of its doors...hey if I could find physical proof?...;maybe I could bribe Nat geo to release that footage in return?...haha...good day sir
Understood sir...thank you...I look forward to your work...there is no one covering this subject as professional and factual than yourself.. Again thank you
5:10 other routes off the final pyramid: czcams.com/video/hPa10_uuSjE/video.html shows Tim Macartney-Snape angling well towards the West Ridge I think. If he made it up with just a walking stick maybe the Chinese could have too??
Also, Macartny-Snape approached from below and during monsoon with heavy snow. If you knew you were going to take that route, you would traverse over at the base of the Third Step. But once you are up the snow triangle, you have to cross that large buttress that is visible in the drone photo. The area along that traverse is very steep and you have very small foot holds. Going all the way over to the West Ridge from there, even in daylight would be extremely difficult. That is, getting from the base of the Citadel to intersect Maccartny-Snape's route would be difficult. I remember that section -- very steep and if there were not ropes there, exactly where to turn is not obvious. There is a route from the base of the dihedral that goes straight up, but it has the same issue -- steep, difficult. In addition, the Chinese didn't claim they traversed over to the West Ridge. As the West Ridge is in Nepal, such a climb would have created more problems for them. But who knows, maybe that is the secret they are really hiding. That they didn't actually climb it in China!
@@michaeltracy2356 If Hristo Prodanov got lost descending the West Ridge in partial moonlight, then surely it would be impossible for the Chinese to navigate it with no moonlight.
It sounds to me like a little too much for a team with no real experience in that rout,cos at the time they were the first. So it sound like almost suicide to try go over those rocks at night or even continue . I can see climbing de last pyramid but then you have another 2 or 3 hours? of unknown to the top. To me it looks like a very tall order for the China team,not very much detail off the rout or plans seems a little pesky.
No. It is not. You offer an unsupported opinion again, and you will be banned. If you have some facts to support what you say, you can make your own video and tell people about them. This is not the place for random and anonymous people to share their "wealth" of "knowledge."
Thanks for all your hard work. I hope you realize that you are the number one go-to source for all things Mallory and Irvine. I have learned a great deal from your videos. What sets you apart from others who are trying to be that is that you are willing to engage with others and you are always ready to change your mind given the evidence. Same can't be said for many others.
I reluctantly gave up National Geographic when Rupert Murdoch bought them out . . sigh
Liverpudlian or just a random betwetting liberal? 😂
ace as always Michael! I would love to see the video from a drone slowly flown up the Hornbein Couloir . . . what a crazy climb that was.
That's a great idea. Could you imagine such a video!
Excellent as always, Michael. Thank you.
So, when Mallory and Irvine arrived at the Citadelle at about 1.30p.m., they logically must have climbed straight on as they had no time left to scout for other options. From the top of it, there seem to be no obstacle on the snow ridge to get to the summit they might have reached by 4 p.m. With a long descent ahead, they were caught by the night and as they had forgotten or left their torch in high camp, one of them might have stumbled or slipped in the dark and towed away his mate, less than one hour from the safety of their camp... If some climbers could take the zigzag route and the Citadelle, they might find indicative items on the way...
Dollars to donuts that Nat Geo won't release the drone footage because they're going to use it for some 100th anniversary video release next year.
Another brilliant entry. Always another perspective to look at.
another good one! Always learn something new!
Hello! I have the National Geographic magazines from the 1963 Western Ridge climb mentioned in this vid. And I also have the 1978 K2 ascent (US). And I have the 1999 Discorvery of Mallory's body. And the one they put out on Shakleton and the Endurance, but that is another day. Anyway. I enjoy being able to pipe up that I have these issues. The ones from the 60s and 70s came to me in 2002 when an aunt and uncle moved house. The 90s ones I have because I was a subscriber. I'm a bit of an armchair moutaneer after, along with half the popuation, reading Into Thin Air in about 1998. And then, WHOA, I really was able to appreciate the treasure trove of those magazines I'd inherited! The maps! The stories! I ended up over the next few years amassing a bit of a little library, I'd absent myself from work for the 2 hour sneak lunch at the bookstore, poring over the adventure section and trying to choose just one book, promising I could come back the next paycheck.
And yes, I would have to agree the organization is a shadow of itself. I kind of.. jerked up in tears when I found out they were selling out to RMurdoch. They tried to put a good spin on it but you knew it was going to be impossible. Well, actually, the first time I jerked up in tears was a while prior to that when they went to the glossy and thinner paper! I used to LOVE the quality of the photos on the paper. Some of which ended up in montages. Anyway. . Thanks for reading my comment, if you do! : ) Cheers
g'ma gave me a full 1930-1965 set of NatGeos when I was 7. We didn't have TV so it was my education, along with the World Book Encyclopedias I read out of boredom.
Some of these images I have never seen. thanks for that
Appreciate the work you're doing sir....yeah I used to think the world of National Geographic
What an amazing picture @4:01 Michael
Love your videos.
Great logic and perception.
I feel like Nat Geo don't realise who's coming for them. 💪
I feel like it’s useless going after National Geographic or The Searchers, the only way we can solve this is by getting someone up on the mountain to either find Irvine or look for traces along a zigzag route.
Your analysis of routes, notable climbs and M&I stuff are your best videos. New perspectives like this drone footage are awesome and add so much more to those of us regular folk who will never get anywhere near Everest
Yeah, I went there in 2018 to do just that. But too much snow. The issue with the drone photos and other photos from the 2019 year is that there was low snow. There is low snow about 1 year in 10. So, even going there, it is going tone hit or miss... with a lot more miss.
It is not just the drone photos from 2019. The teams will not post any of their photos of the area below the ice axe site and that leads me to believe there is a reason for that other than simply not wanting to make money selling the photos they took.
@@michaeltracy2356 Appreciate the reply- and that makes more sense now taking the snow coverage into account. That definitely makes NatGeo’s silence more frustrating. The upside is that if your hunch is correct and they DID notice something unusual on examination, then we may be on the verge of breakthrough now that the reds are opening up the north side again. Let’s just hope that any team they put together has the resources and forensic expertise to handle the recovery like a crime scene.
I tend to be more forgiving of the 1999 searchers than you but I do understand where you’re coming from. You only get one shot at analyzing the virgin scene and a wrong move in good faith can destroy critical clues you hadn’t even imagined may be relevant. They seemed like professional climbers who tried to wear detective hats for a day the best way they knew how. I was impressed with Jake Norton’s humility in admitting as much.
I am assuming 1999 was a low-snow year as well?
A true shame Nat Geo is like this, really wish they'd just release that damn stuff ASAP for the people to see. Oh well :/
btw nice editing in this video, looks really good! And that climbing photo is oddly cool to look at.
If we want Nat Geo to release the footage it won't be money that sways them but public opinion. If we could get enough people to do the Twitter thing I'm sure someone at the company would take notice.
Working on it on Twitter but I suggest we have an assistant editor just steal the footage for us off their server. I’m an editor myself, maybe I can get a copy if I find out who’s working there and smoke them out? Just an idea
Agree with you 100% about American corporations. TLC now shows learning material like sister wives. A&E shows murder related shows…u know,
So much art & entertainment in murder cases. #GOP sponsors #SOCIALISM for Top Wealth & Corps.
Great narrative and info re Mt Everest. Tyty
Excellent
So good
How has it alluded the mountaineering books I have read for so many years that this climb in1963 was actually an alternate way to climb the north side of Everest?
Oh rats! I hit your notification in two seconds flat. Then heard your first word ...
Maybe they've found something in the video that will break open the entire mystery and are waiting to release it in 24?
The good news is that if they found something on the Drone footage we will know next year....
it would make sense the Chinese flew drones at their state sponsored leisure, located Irvine, and removed him - I have no proof of it, but since they control the mountain and all permits, the notion that the State would fly a drone, locate Sandy, and remove him would be the easiest way to remove all doubt and never allow the mystery to be solved, nor to have anything threaten their questionable "summit" in 1960 from the North. And it is somewhat logical and attainable. This likely would have had to happen sometime after 2005, (and certainly 1999) when interest in M&I began to gain momentum, and in a year when the mountain was closed, or off season - just getting to advanced base camp and flying from there - to go back at a later time if he was spotted.
Thanks so much for all of your fine efforts Michael! I have been hoping to come across a more detailed description of the zig-zag route, but not having much luck. Where should one look for the best info on this line?
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Anything Murdock touched has become garbage
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It's interesting trying to pick your route to the summit without using modern aids because you're essentially seeing what Mallory and co saw.
For instance, depending on the view or photo, "Maybe I'd head up to that spot because it looks like there's a little gully i could scrabble up to reach the final stretch to the summit or that doesn't look too steep, I could go direct and maybe have to do a tiny rock climb"
As Michael said, angles, possible routes and heights are deceptive and you only really know when you're up there and face to face with it.
The drone footage!! Ah. Darn.
How hard would it be to go straight up the snow slope over the top of the citadel? Is it that the slope angle steepens considerably above where the modern climbers turn, making it too steep an effort for that altitude? Or is the snow generally too corniced on the edge beyond to do that safely? It sure looks like a climber could go straight up and cling to the rock edge at 3:59 but these things are clearly highly deceptive....That last photo is haunting when you put it that way.
Looking at that photo the logical way to go up is just continue the line till the top of the Pyramid. Maybe close to the top they went right to the rocks. Wandering around trying to find another rout is not very intuitive if you know the last push is over that pyramid top in a straight line.
Love the "Somewhere in the photo are M&I" quote. However, I was not seeing desperate but jubilant lads. The desperate came with the loss of moonlight and Everest, claiming the cost of being the first to summit. I think they knew it to be a one-way ticket at best, but for country and man, they accepted. The war made an impact on those lads.
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From the drone angle the mountain in the background looks higher again - which peak would that be? I’m not a fan of surfing videos taken by drone either, unless the pilot is brave/foolish enough to get down close to water level.
That is Makalu in the background and is commonly confused with Everest -- NASA having done so years ago in an embarrassing tweet.
Totally agree the more you look Irvine and Mallory compared to the Chinese,it seems like the first actually had real chances to the summit and the Chinese not so much...Going up there at 12 AM vs dark cos you were so slow/late to that point(correct me if I´m wrong in this),it seems like not very probable to see summit. I don´t know timing in the Everest,but M&I look like any other modern try to the summit,you get up in dark,and summit with sun and time to spend in the trip back to safety. If they were so late in the afternoon(Chinese), to me they din´t have a smooth climb by any mean,with lots of hours spend to reach that point looks like a painfully slow climb.
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Hi Michael, I missed the significance of the NG drone pics Which video are you talking about them? AND are the drone pics suggesting .the location of Irvine?
I talk about the in the Watch. I highly suspect that the drone photos show something.
Regardless of whether Irvine's location can be determined from them, numerous places Irvine is not can be determined -- and that is almost as valuable. Also the route and whether there might be oxygen bottles along the route which shall not be named is also a possibility.
Prepping projects for final online: source the original hi rez footage, create AAF, XML, OMF, ProRes & h.264 transcodes for mixer and colorist.
They clearly have the original footage on a server based on the above job description for Nat Geo. Usually firms this size use Aspera and lowly assistant editors have access to the entire library. You only need one willing stoner to pull this off, easily achieved in the post production world.
I’m far over qualified for their assistant editor position but I’m gonna apply anyway cuz if they hire me I can quickly steal a copy of the footage and just break my nda and give you it. I don’t care at all if I’m fired or blacklisted anyway, but I bet you can steal a copy a lot easier than you think you can Michael Tracy cuz if it’s anything like other post production jobs you’ll have a lot of underpaid people having access to their entire inventory of media fyi
Where can I find the photo at 5:23? Reverse image search isn't working for me.
The photo is discussed at length: czcams.com/video/WtFBI7M60Js/video.html
The Everest issue of National Geographic, April 2022, shows the wrong mountain on the cover, I think. Can anyone confirm it? I posted this message with a link to the cover image, but I think YT deleted it.
April 2022 is a mountain in South America and does not claim to be Everest. I seem to recall some special "Everest" edition, but I can't find it -- just a bunch of links to Disney+. If you have a link, you can post it in the Yeti Academy and the Snow Monkeys will figure it out pretty quickly... discord.gg/bUVHTkVN
@@michaeltracy2356 The Amazon link says it's April 22, 2022. If you google "everest national geographic" it's the third picture that pops up on the top of the page.
I tried to join the Yeti Academy last summer but something kept going wrong in the sign up process. I gave up. Will try again. UPDATE: success on joining Yeti Academy. Posted link there.
In the picture at 4.35 where is the " false summit" I have heard of from the North side?
There are two false summits in that photo. If you approached the citadel direct, the top of the citadel would be the false summit. If you took the summit traverse and headed up, it would be the small bulge to the right of the citadel. At night with no moon (and the Chinese 1960 had no moon), it either could be confused with the summit as it would appear you were at the "top." Most likely the top of the citadel is where the Chinese were as that matches with the between snow and rock description of the summit and their rocks looks very light.
The sunset photo is so captivating. Knowing that Mallory and Irvine are desperately trying to get to their high camp. Considering that Mallory had his goggles in his pocket, is it safe to say that Mallory is probably still alive in the sunset photo ? Also, if Mallory did summit, not knowing the exact time of his summit, how long would it have taken him to descend through the couloir and traverse the North Face where his body was found ? Thank you.
I cover that in the Watch: czcams.com/video/NIh6vP7fXMo/video.html
In 2019, was the north covered in alot of snow?
Early in the season it was. So, when they flew the drone, it is not clear what they could have really seen.
However, they did not bother flying the drone later in the season (that they have admitted to) when there was low snow. So, if they didn't find anything in the first flight because of the snow, they likely would have just taken it up again and done another flight once the snow blew off. It is not like taking an hour or so from North Col to snap some more pictures would interfere with their search of the summit for Irvine.
@@michaeltracy2356 Hey, I guess you heard , but you called it , anyway!! Thom Pollard is writing a book! He claims, he's taking a step back from youtube! Also the comment section was bothering him! He couldn't take it anymore!!
Why can’t someone else bring a drone up there? Is it a very expensive specialized drone?
You need permission from the Chinese government.
It was not until quite recently that I found out that Disney now controls National Geographic. VERY disillusioning. 😖😖😖
I can’t imagine what Alexander Graham Bell and the early Grosvenors would have thought….
I revered NG as a child. Not any more. Everything Disney touches is soiled.
Long ago I read a NG article describing a then Grosvenor Bell taking an elegant trip through the canals of France. "He must be rich to afford that," I thought. Then when he referred to his grandad, I realized why. His grandad, credited with inventing the telephone, got quite rich. His children and grandchildren were still enjoying that wealth. After this video I realized that, having inherited so much, they had no need to draw a huge salary from NG. They could concentrate on keeping it on mission. That's what has changed. The current leadership is no in it for the money.
nat geo wont show pics as theres no curve in them (like the chinese pictures show)...simple as that
So, Jake Norton says Nat Geo doesn't own the drone footage, Renan Ozturk does. What say you?
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Glad you saw the article and thanks for your interest. NG has been working on stitching all those drone photos into a composite image. I just checked in with them and it’s still a work in progress. Their plan, when it’s done, is to apply some AI scanning technology to it to look for anomalies. Apparently, the image and this new technology will be part of a new Everest exhibit at the NG museum at their headquarters in DC. That is on hold for the time being due to Covid. For this reason they’re not going to release the images to the public.
We do appreciate the offer though. My dream is that eventually they will be open source and people like you could help in the effort.
Thanks again - and all the best.
@@michaeltracy2356 the plot thickens
I had reached out the Renan a while back, and I just send him a note through his website. I don't understand Jake's point though. Did he talk to Renan? Presumably Jake wants to release to drone photos as well, so if Renan would not release them to Jake, why would he release them to me?
It is not like whomever owns the rights does not know there are people who want to pay for them. Whomever owns the rights does not want to release them at this time for whatever reason.
When the 'DJI' video first came out a few months ago, I got into it extensively with some people on Reddit about the authenticity of the DJI "summit drone video!" The only evidence we have that this was actually done was the video itself, and the claims of DJI.
I suggest people go back and watch the video again with "different eyes" and notice the extensive CGI enhancements done on the "terrain" provided! I would not be surprised if most of the video involved "superimposing" images and terrain to produce the desired end-product!
The extent of the development now of video "deepfakes" is substantial, and has expanded to the point where a video just like this can be created "all on a keyboard," and the the majority of people on YT are clueless about what they,ve seen.
Just simply look at the color-enhanced images of some of the terrain in the video- that is NOT natural light! Many of the "cloud formations" are highly suspect! It's questionable whether some of the shots were even of, or around Everest! The Mavic3 "launch from the summit" itself is very suspect, accompanied by the altitude-ticker to reinforce validity! Where is the queue of climbers? Notice the smooth-line as a substitute for where the climbers "steps" would be! Did he create that line by himself? Laughable!
I need to see other evidence that the video-footage provided is authentic- other than referring to the video itself, or the word of DJI! Do they, in fact, admit to have launched a drone at the summit of Everest? These days you can just be ambiguous, and say "Summit lauch!," and that will be sufficient! If DJI is making the claim of authenticity, I'm calling them out on deceptive marketing and advertising!
I already know the "blowback" I'm going to receive here! As Nietzsche wrote, "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies!" Many will understand what I'm pointing out when they re-watch the video! Others will stubbornly stick to its authenticity, because they'll look foolish otherwise, or they've been extensively "programmed" by schooling, Hollywood, and the media. Because of the Matrix we continually live in, and the relentless lies that are laid-out before us by the media at an ever increasing rate, I think it's important that I bring this up. We are overwhelmed and saturated with deceptive practices, everywhere we look now. In many ways, Baudrillard is the thinker of our age with his notions of the "simulacrum," "hyper-reality," and "signifiers!" Our world has turned into a fun house of mirrors!
Below are a couple of links on just how far advanced some of this CGI technology actually is now. It's probably even more advanced than the "public awareness" of it! I'm going to email the DJI video to some computer graphics specialists and ask for their input! I'm not qualified to analyze or breakdown the "nuances" or "minutia" of what's happening on the video! Give me about 7-10 days, and I should have some Interesting replies!
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czcams.com/video/3vHvOyZ0GbY/video.html
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Interesting, I'll take another look. The problem I have is that even prior to deepfakes, there were numerous re-creations that were cut into "documentary" videos and you never know when you are looking at the real thing,
@@michaeltracy2356 Yup! When the video first came out, I was initially steered in this direction by someone's lengthy, and detailed comment on Reddit which triggered a lengthy debate at the time. I wish I could bring up the original subreddit from 5 months ago, but I have since been banned from Reddit for "wrong-think," and cannot remember the names and title, or whether it is even still available.
This is definitively not my area of expertise, but your video post this morning reignited the topic for me! I've gone through some of the top VFX companies online today, like Pixar, DreamWorks, and Weta Digital, which is Peter Jackson's company; I'm going to contact a few this week and see if they are willing to have somebody briefly look at the DJI video, and give me a cursory analysis and conclusion. I'll see what I can come up with!
Mr tracy..good day sir...IV been following your work on this mystery we all since day one..I'm more of a fan than DIY hands on the books researcher concerning mal and sand...one thing I have been researching concerning Everest and that is from a biblical point...now I'm not going to go all religious conspiracy nut on you here but I feel like you may find it interesting that one of the non canonicals saying Noah's ark landed on the highest mountain in the world....and till this day?...there is a area on the mountain called the place of the ark...or where it rested...even the name Everest itself....where the descendants of Eve rested... If I'm not mistaken one of the shrines supposedly has some of the original wood on one of its doors...hey if I could find physical proof?...;maybe I could bribe Nat geo to release that footage in return?...haha...good day sir
one would hope Y-w-h wiped out the entire planet 5000 years ago by raising sea level a lot less than +8800m . . . gotta be easier ways than that!
I have the biblical reference in the Noble Lies video... czcams.com/video/ucxtR6mkK2s/video.html
Understood sir...thank you...I look forward to your work...there is no one covering this subject as professional and factual than yourself.. Again thank you
5:10 other routes off the final pyramid: czcams.com/video/hPa10_uuSjE/video.html shows Tim Macartney-Snape angling well towards the West Ridge I think. If he made it up with just a walking stick maybe the Chinese could have too??
At night?
@@michaeltracy2356 ah I see May 25, 1960 was a new moon. Yikes!
Also, Macartny-Snape approached from below and during monsoon with heavy snow. If you knew you were going to take that route, you would traverse over at the base of the Third Step. But once you are up the snow triangle, you have to cross that large buttress that is visible in the drone photo. The area along that traverse is very steep and you have very small foot holds. Going all the way over to the West Ridge from there, even in daylight would be extremely difficult. That is, getting from the base of the Citadel to intersect Maccartny-Snape's route would be difficult.
I remember that section -- very steep and if there were not ropes there, exactly where to turn is not obvious. There is a route from the base of the dihedral that goes straight up, but it has the same issue -- steep, difficult. In addition, the Chinese didn't claim they traversed over to the West Ridge. As the West Ridge is in Nepal, such a climb would have created more problems for them. But who knows, maybe that is the secret they are really hiding. That they didn't actually climb it in China!
@@michaeltracy2356 If Hristo Prodanov got lost descending the West Ridge in partial moonlight, then surely it would be impossible for the Chinese to navigate it with no moonlight.
It sounds to me like a little too much for a team with no real experience in that rout,cos at the time they were the first. So it sound like almost suicide to try go over those rocks at night or even continue . I can see climbing de last pyramid but then you have another 2 or 3 hours? of unknown to the top. To me it looks like a very tall order for the China team,not very much detail off the rout or plans seems a little pesky.
Corrupt!!
Should people run 100 million dollar organisations for free? Are you monetized?
Yeah, getting paid a million bucks year is "free."
@@michaeltracy2356 It is normal, or even underpaid.
No. It is not. You offer an unsupported opinion again, and you will be banned. If you have some facts to support what you say, you can make your own video and tell people about them. This is not the place for random and anonymous people to share their "wealth" of "knowledge."