Did Nvidia Lie? RTX 4070 Super vs RTX 3090: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Nvidia's RTX 4070 Super announcement claimed that it is faster than their previous generation flagship RTX 3090. In this video we test those claims! It's also a good chance to take a look at how the RTX 3090 holds up in the newest games at various settings including ray tracing, path tracing, DLSS on and off, and more!
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Chapters:
0:00 Nvidia has made some dubious performance claims in the past
0:36 Frame Generation is not the same thing as raw performance
1:05 Nvidia claims the 4070 Super really is faster than the 3090
1:30 I will test the newest games, tons of settings, RT, DLSS, etc
2:05 Don't judge smoothness by the video footage, use the frametime graph
2:32 Avatar 1080p Ultra
2:59 Avatar 1440p Ultra
3:27 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
3:54 Avatar 1440p High
4:20 Avatar 1440p High DLSS Q
4:49 Avatar 4K Ultra
5:15 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
5:43 Avatar 4K High
6:10 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
6:37 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
7:04 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
7:31 Alan Wake 2 1440p HIgh DLSS Q FG
7:59 Alan Wake 2 4K High
8:26 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q FG
8:53 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High
9:20 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q FG
9:48 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q FG
10:16 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS P FG
10:45 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P FG
11:09 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
11:36 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
12:05 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
12:30 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS P FG
12:58 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P FG
13:25 Baldur's Gate 3 1080p Ultra
13:52 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
14:19 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
14:47 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
15:14 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
15:41 CoD MW3 4K Basic
16:08 Starfield 1080p Ultra
16:35 Starfield 1440p Ultra
17:02 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q FG
17:30 Starfield 4K Ultra
17:57 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q FG
18:24 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max
18:51 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max
19:19 Resident Evil 4 4K Max
19:46 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
20:13 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
20:40 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
21:07 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra
21:35 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS Q
22:01 Final Thoughts - Věda a technologie
Remember when Nvidia said the RTX 3090 could run games at 8K 60fps and then had people pretend to be playing games at 8K 60fps.
This
to be fair even the PS5 and Xbox Series X/S advertised that and they use AMD hardware it was all just a big marketing push from everyone.
Scammers lie, people buy
8K with DLSS ultra performance which is just 1440p
nah, 8k ultra performance is 1080p, when quality is 4k@@saynotomanifestv3101
I can't wait for Nvidia to release the 4070 Super Duper with 16GBs of VRAM.
@@captain000schmand Never work in marketing, dude.
@@yzfool6639idk y but that gave me a good laugh
The Super Duper is coming out next week.
More RAM? Not gonna happen.
The 'duper' only comes with the ti super range cards 😂
Isn't crazy how just one generation gives the same performance for 150W less power consumption. It's almost half at this point.
But 'VrAm' - the dumb person who thinks its the end of the world cause 12 gb ram.
Yeah it's crazy how Nvidia is artificially gimping their releases
makes the headroom for 5xxx series look goooood
That mostly shows how relatively bad the samsung 8n node is. Almost all efficiency comes from the node used, and very little from architecture.
@@MrStoffzorthat L2 cache also helps
The 4060 ti is really showing how bad it's price to performance is compared to these super cards.
who would have though a 128 bit bus 16gb 50 series card masquerading as a 60 series card was bad value lol. nvidia botched everything below the 4080 this generation atleast the 4070ti super will actually be a 70 series card vs the 60series memory config original 4070ti.
Why is Nvidia scamming us like that?
Its
now we need 2060 supers
at minimum we should expect some decent price cut on 4060s like to allow them to belong to the budget gaming
0:14 This is getting out of hand! Now, there are two of them!
And I love it 😂
@@mobarakjama5570 This is also a way to save memory because you can use the same assets as many times as you want, but you don't have to load them more than once :)
Imagine both of them flying around.
@@PinHeadSupliciumwtf One flying around is already disturbing enough...
If 4070S would have 16GB VRAM it would be a really nice product.
Bro its 1440p card ,12gb enough for that,if u want to play in 4k buy 4080 super for 999$
@@FeherViktor-zl8bmThanks Jeff Bezos
@@FeherViktor-zl8bm jensen's burner account
@@FeherViktor-zl8bm 💯 FINALLY someone that gets it! I have been telling ppl this and they get in their feelings. Kinda like the other guy that commented on your comment lmao
I don't like artificially gimping products like this, but I get the sentiment. Textures are free assets (computation wise) that can improve the visual fidelity of anything, I wish they would cut their margins elsewhere.
If this wasn't the case with Nvidia, Radeon cards wouldn't even exist after this gen.. That's literally the only thing they can offer with RDNA3.
We had to wait ~18 months for Nvidia to offer more than 12GB below 1200$ MSRP..
it's more of a 3080Ti competitor since both have 12GB. 4070 Super can only match a 3090 at 1080p/1440p. Also a $600 card matching a $2K card at all while using 120W less is mighty impressive imo.
"Only" lol. No one would play at 4k with the 3090 to begin with.
@@mnoise626Not anymore at least. I had a 3090 and played games in 4K.
@@mnoise626 People buy 24gb vram cards to play at higher resolution, rock for brains.
3090 MSRP was $1.5K mb
Bro what? Even I still use my RTX 3080 to play games at 4K. I hope you know you can just lower the graphics settings if the ultra settings don't run at the desired frame rate?@@mnoise626
that the 4070 super is drawing so much less power from the wall, while being extremely close to the performance of the 3090 is incredibly impressive.
I would be surprised if next generation of GPUs was the same or somehow worse than the previous one.
Then again it's NVidia, they did GeForce FX once.
But asking price of $700 from 3rd party for what is essentially a 12 GB 3090 is kinda meh.
why 4070 stutter at 3:30 ? i mean fps is nearly identical but 3090 foootage looks smooth and 4070 looks like its skipping frames
@@potatogod3882 you're not supposed to measure smoothness by the video. Daniel said his capture card only goes to 60 fps or sum, which should make footage above and below that fps look stuttery sometimes
@@potatogod3882 raw drivers / 12 GBs VRAM / video recording issue
100%.
The 3090 out there looking like a former A-list celebrity appearing in car insurance ads. ~55 fps on 1440p? Wat!? Wasn't it marketed as a 4k card?
in 3 years the 4090 will be a 1080p card. I mean its already basically a 1440p card for UE5
@@Dempig That's just not true and you sound stupid saying it.
@@Dempigthat’s insane lol
@@Dempig Your tweaking bad
Well that was 3.5 years ago. 🤣
"Faster than an RTX 3090....until you run out of memory and when using frame gen which we purposely made exclusive to Ada"
You won’t, maybe one day in 5 years, but at that point both 3090 and 4070s will be outdated anyway.
in point I never use stock options in game like medium high or something like that.
allways use texture ultra and some other vram options ultra and other options that hit fps/cores on GPU I will be on low/medium and have some options off, all of that for max fps and best look in games need a loot vram, I got vram limited by rtx 3070 xD@@daniil3815
rtx 3070 have 8gb vram did not even hold up 3 years xD scammed again@@daniil3815
you defo dont need 24gb of VRAM to play maybe you need it if you making stuff in unreal and rendering movie/game with metahumans etc.. but today 24gb is overkill
@@daniil3815 5 years? Lol no that would happen in 2026 when next gen consoles arrives and all games again start using more vram. Its a cycle so time running out.
Nice work, that was my first question and soooo many of the more BIG name reviewers, all did reviews, but none of them challenged the claim, which I do not get..... Goes to show quality content comes reviewers that take the time to test, and dont just spit out content as fast as they can to try and get those early clicks.
you see you see he's picking his own nose yet again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly the amount of work Daniel is putting in every video is insane. He should feature with Gamers Nexus they would understand each other^^ Nevertheless i really respect your work.
Completely agree. it takes days to get all this done!
Agree.. he's such a geek in such positive way. But making this his main job might steal the fun off of it since if it will become job it might b stressful. Maybe..
This would really be the goat’s collab for years to come.
Blah blah blah
whats your problem?@@CraneOPBR
If you calculate power/performance, 4070 Super win for sure.
True but while enrgy may be a concern for some, for any household any kind of AC/appliances will use marganially more energy that you would see less than a $1 difference in energy cost $/kWh is on average .14 cents in texas. RTX3090=350watts RTX4070 super=285watts it would cost you .04 US to run your 4070 for an hour vs .05 with the metrics provided. Mind you if you were gaming at the peak power consumption (which in the real world you arent) at a gaming rate of 120hours a month (4 hours a day) it would cost you $6 to run the 3090 and 4.80 to run the 4070 super. Is the power efficency worth the extra cost if they have the same performance? If energy is so expensive it makes a big impact you should have other concerns. Refined archetecture isnt worth shelling out hundreds of extra $$$ unless you want to burn money
$0.33 in Los Angeles. and 4070 Super is not just saving power and make much less heat. so in summer, you don't have to turn down A/C too much. and save you hundred of dollars.@@rea280
@@kelvinkms3671 you're right i didnt factor in heat dissipation.
@@kelvinkms3671 hundreds of savings in heat desipation is rather speculative though. I do not think its that high.
Not to mention price. All of these 40 series haters can't get over the fact that Nvidia made something decent with it's most recent launch. They mask their herd-like hatred (which they most likely obtained from their little echo chambers on Reddit) by claiming the performance is not impressive / they expected more. Listen, the fact that a $600 card that consumes less power comes so close to and even surpasses a card that's still listed at $1500+ is incredibly impressive. My only gripe with this card is the VRAM. Other than that, i'd say this card is fucking great.
question, on the baulders gate 3 13:25, why is the performance similiar, yet the game looks smooth on the right, and a jittery mess on the left?
I noticed that with the first Avatar benchmark as well.
Capture card - he mentioned it before it's due to 60fps capture card limit and causes stutters in recordings sometimes
Nice detailed and useful comparison 👍 some ppl might also prefer to have the AV1 encode capabilities that come with the 40xx
Thank you daniel for your hard work ! Always super informative and interesting videos !! Cheers (from italy)
If I were a sacred animal and were given both of those cards as an offering I would choose the 4070S without a second thoughts and send my blessings to leather jacket man !
Since you have the cards available and we’ve now seen how comparable they are, one test that could be interesting is DLSS3 frame gen vs 3000-series DLSS2 with Radeon frame gen. Even though I’m personally extremely cynical about frame gen entirely, it would be interesting “for science”.
it's sad that the cards vram is already maxed out🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the detailed comparison! I'm curious, why is Metro Exodus not used for RT benchmarks?
Advantage of the 3090 is the work level performance such as 3D work needing 24GB of RAM. Plus it can play games well. Only missing FG but I believe hacks or NVIDIA will just expand the support over time.
Look up DLSSG to FSR3. Digital Foundry just did a vid on it the other day. FSR has always been open source, so I guess it was only a matter of time. But I'm dicking around with it in Cyberpunk on my 3090 and it's surprisingly stable. 1080p ultra + RT overdrive + DLSS Q, I'm averaging 121 FPS, just to compare it to the 4070 Super here in this vid... lol very similar results, yet again.
I thought about waiting for the the super release last year. Then I got lucky and bought a used 6950xt for 280€. Since the 6950xt is trading blows with 3090 and ti I think there is no need to regret that decision. Still a great card for that price.
What was wrong with the card? It’s was super cheap. Where I live for 280€ you can buy something like a used 6700xt. What a snatch!
...in rasterization only. It gets stomped in any RT or AI workloads. Also AMD has their thumbs up their butts with FSR still not looking that great compared to DLSS.
@@Aurummorituri luckily most games I play don't support dlss or fsr and I have to rely on pure raster performance. I tried RSR and FMF and wasn't that unhappy with the outcome. It's just a gimmick for me though.
Edit: not that I don't believe you. A friend of mine uses Nvidia cards and my (travel) laptop uses Nvidia as well. If Dlss is an option it works well imho. A 3090 just costs so much more where I live. I had to pay at least 600€ for a used one. The performance difference between a 3090 and 6950 just isn't big enough to justify that difference in price
@@ProtossOP nothing wrong with the card. The previous owner installed new thermal pads and better paste for good temps but he wanted to upgrade to a 7900xtx shortly after. I tried pretty heavy oc and uv. The card runs fine with it's aircooler with 400w power limit. Usually I just use my uv for lower temps and silent fans but it's reassuring to know that I can still push it a bit if I have to.
@Aurummorituri What gamer cares about ''Ai workload"? if you're into multiple player games or sim racing like me RT will never be turned on so for damn near $1600 dollars less he got a better card compared to the 3090...
I say that's a damn win
Hey Daniel, in RE4 Remake 4070 Super looses performance at 4K solely due to VRAM bandwidth or insufficient size of L2 cache. But it is definitely not VRAM capacity issue. I performed a comparison between 4K/Max/High 8GB textures and 4K/Max/High 1GB textures on my 4070 Ti and found out that although VRAM allocation/usage is higher in case of "High 8GB" setting, the performance is identical, as well as RAM usage/allocation and PCI-E bus usage (this is shown in my latest uploaded video). Looks like RE4 just tends to reserve spare VRAM. So, at least, Nvidia 12GB cards are fine in this game (not so sure about AMD counterparts with the same VRAM capacity).
Fair comparison and I love your content since the old days and not surprised watching your channel grow, well deserved!
You have 3 read outs from from after burner I am confused what is the middle one on certain games
the 24gigs is heaps better for all the creative and AI applications, but other than that, 4070S isn't bad.
That bandwidth and vram makes a huge difference in these workflows! The 40 series is so lacking for creators
@ak33mc it's great for creators because of the feature sets that the other cards don't have, but you're right when regarding VRAM. That's a bit disappointing.
The 4070 TI Super will be a sweet spot for price with 16GB behind the 4090. But I'm hoping the 5000 series can have a bit better uplift in this regard.
12gb is bad
@@lifemocker85Yeah rx 7700 is shit
@@sebastian38488 every 12gb gpu is
The Alan Wake 2 4K Native example had both GPUs in the 30s and the noteworthy 16% win for the 3090 there slides into obscurity as people would turn on DLSS Quality at that point.
Despite some saying there are no "4k" or "1440p" cards, I think this comparison shows what people mean: Where a "1440p" and a "4K" GPU have similar average performance, they will take the lead over each other on their respective resolutions. E.g. if you play on 4K native use the 3090 (assuming both cards cost the same, which they don't).
The 3090 used is $100-150 extra over the 4070 Super new. Imo, the extra 12GB of vram makes it worth it.
@@filip9587 LOL keep thinking VRAM is that important.
@@amerrill351 Well, 12GB wasn't important 1½ years ago, but now it's the minimum. Sooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Would be cool if you could add the ultrawide resolutions for 1440/4K.
I'm building a PC and currently i have simple PC to do my office work and now I'm trying to build a PC, But not sure which card to go with, I just want to know should I go with RTX 3090 or RTX 4070 ti super?
Please share your thoughts, It will help me to make a decision.
Many games use 15-17+gb of VRAM on my 3090.
A 4070s seem to be a 3090 with half the VRAM
What games?
Allocation is not the same as utilisation. There is literally no game out today that actually uses that much VRAM on any setting.
My 3070 still runs everything, although it's slowly becoming a little bit harder to run newer stuff on max, I will wait for a little while with upgrades, this generation of graphics cards isn't really doing it for me! If it does for someone else be my guest!
The 5000 series is less than a year away. If you're still happy with your card, hold on to it till then
Same here at 3070 and gona wait to see how the 5070 performs and hope it has 256bit bus and 16gb vram
Yeah I have 4090 but end up using the 3070 more often, I might just sell the 4090 and use the 3070 for a while and get a 6090 in the future
Well I’ve got great news !!!! FSR3 to DLSS mod enables frame Gen on 3000 series !!
Your videos are very addictive 👍new subscriber here
Why RTX 3090 FSR3 Mod not included ?
Am I reading this right? Does the 4070 super performs almost the same as the 3090 or better with FG at 25% the wattage of the 3090? Dang that’s good tech advance there right?
Yep, but don't ask the idiots here who will hate Nvidia if they cure cancer.
@Wobbothe3rd How does Jensen's boot taste like ? They definitely need you to defend them
@@GWT1m0 You like crash like AMD drivers constantly, so you don't have the time to taste much at all.
The 3090 stock voltage settings are pretty inefficient, you can match stock performance at 0.8-0.85v while lowering power draw by 100w+. Mine draws between 200-250w while gaming and is great for VR games that use a lot of VRAM.
Can make mine eat 700w running cyberpunk with ray tracing on first card I actually want to water cool to see what it can really do
It would have been interesting to compare both of them using the fsr frame gen features
Thank you for showing 4k on this card with DLSS seems to be a lack of it on other places!
Thank you. I have a 3090 and I never see anyone compare it to any new cards. I was wondering if I should wait or upgrade. I'll wait 🔥🔥
If you buy a flagship card, you can be assured that you can skip a generation
Brother you are good for at least a few generations.
4070 isn’t a good upgrade from 3090. If you’re gonna upgrade sell the 3090 and buy a 4080 super
In the UK you can get a second hand 3090 for £750. So you get a card that's on par with 4070S for around the same price but with double the VRAM.
As someone who plays games and uses AI, I went with the 3090 and it's been fantastic.
Same here, I couldnt justify buying a 4090 this late in its life cycle at full price but I needed to VRAM for AI workloads, so I went with Asus TUF 3090 for 750 USD.
The 3090 is a large and power hungry card. You need to have a case and psu to match. I could have bought a used 3090 for the same price I paid for my 4070, but I would have buy a new case and psu so I didn't bother.
The worst is that 3090 or 3080 potential has never been truly tapped..
we just push an insanely expensive never series and stop the old before it’s potential has been even marginally released
You don't get FG which I think makes 4070 worth
@@MrDarcykampeIt can be easily undervolt to perform similar at 250 watt power draw.
I still have a 3090 sealed in a box, also an Antec Dark cube case. I was trying to build my next PC, but it's taking so long, lost track of things. Should I continue building with the 3090? Or sell it? get a 4070? or.... Kind of thought about just selling the parts and get a Gaming Laptop since I move alot... Any suggestions?
I personally would sell the unopened 3090 and buy a 4080 Super when it comes out next week.
@@officialghost1801 Agreed. 4080 Super gonna be a tank GPU for years.
If you move around a lot, maybe a SFF desktop would be a good option? In that case I would definitely sell the 3090
i've heard that on performance not using the 40s frame gen is not actually using all the card chips
The price difference, even today, between a 3090 and 4070super makes it an easy choice in my opinion. But let's see what the Ti super comes in at. As far as lying, it is normal to claim this and that, in the end the games and the applications need to be able to address the memory. My 4070 does perfectly fine at 1440p, don't need 4k gaming as most games still run at 1080p. The best gaming card is still the 4080 and the 7900XTX, simple as that. A card with 12Gb memory being called a "super" is a bit of a stretch and a huge missed opportunity.
It’s a joke not being able to play 4 k on a 4070 1080 p was last decade .
aelaan
Why is this guy not understanding marketing, and run a channel here ?
He will never survive here !
why 4070 stutter at 3:30 ? i mean fps is nearly identical but 3090 foootage looks smooth and 4070 looks like its skipping frames
its just recording quality
Remember when entry to mid-range graphics-cards were affordable ?
Those were the days.
Thanks for showing 1080p, 1440p!
The most CZcams Channel are only showing 4k, I think very few playing in 4k.
Got my 3090 FE used for less than 600 bucks right after the mining crash. Still feels like a great deal as they now usually go for 900 bucks used where I live.
gg wp no re
I just got my 3090 FE for $720 2 weeks ago! but crazy find for you now!
Got my evga ftw3 ultra for $800 cad 4080s are $2k here. Talked guy down a bit usually go for $1000-$1400 on the low side still for a 3090 around here
Now you can sell it to me for 100 bucks because you're a good person.
@@AnimeGamer
I got an all liquid cooled 5950 Ryzen + 3090 pc for 1200 lol.
In 3 years 12GB VRAM will be like today's 8GB VRAM.
It's a pass for me on tis one.
Better fork for a RTX 4070Ti Super 16GB
If either of these GPU's even runs games at settings that utilise more than 12gb of VRAM in 3 years I'd be surprised.
Given a 1080Ti was rather quickly relegated to a 1440P card (for performance implications) when 4k finally started to creep up to the limit of 10gb VRAM & never really had its 11gb VRAM used in any games.
@@markjacobs1086 Not necessarily. High texture packs are a thing and they don't hit the shader units the same way as visual effects do.
I think the 1080ti comparison is rather like a 4090 situation with its 24GB VRAM.
I think a cheaper 4090 with 16GB VRAM would be more balanced.
But who knows, maybe next gen RPG games would have local AI Chatbot capabilities where you could freely conversate with NPCs and that will certainly eat a lot of VRAM.
@@konstantinlozev2272 Higher resolution textures are bottlenecked by your input & output resolution though.
If you're at 1080P using 4K textures there's more than 3x the pixels in the texture that your resolution is capable of displaying. Meaning you'd need to zoom in at least 3x to actually see those details & the object would need to fill your full view before zooming in.
That's a lot of IF's to meet requirements of your example.
@@markjacobs1086 Amh, no, I am afraid. I don't know where that "4k textures" comes from, but textures in a game come at all resolutions.
In addition, a "texture" is typically a "texture atlas", where different parts of that "4k texture" are assigned to different body parts of (for example) the character that you are looking at.
So, you are actually never seeing the whole "4k" texture atlas at the same time. If you are looking at the face of the NPC, you are looking at a small fraction of the texture atlas. Just look at the textures on people in Cyberpunk 2077. Not good.
@@konstantinlozev2272 Yeah I agree, if I were to get a 4000 series gpu it would be at least RTX 4070 Ti Super, definitely if you use it for at least 5 years.
Can you compare the fan noise? I find that on my 3090 when I run games at a high framerate the fans get extremely loud, but on my 4090 it's quiet.
It will be an exceptionally efficient card compared to the 3090.
I have a 4070 super and the fans are quiet, the louder fans in my setup is the aio cooler ones
Great Video. very relavant. keep up the good work.
200 Watts consumption of 4070 super vs 350 Watts of 3090 for similar raw performance or better performance with FG. Seems very straight forward easy decision to me.
12gb VRAM will be a handicap
@@TheAcadianGuy Not in 1440p, this card does not target 4K. But I agree 4070Ti super does feel like a better choice (close to a 4080 and same vram)
@@TheAcadianGuy Not very much.. FG is fantastic technology..
Please show me real world usage of that much extra 12GB VRAM & corresponding increase in performance ?
okay if you look at both images yes both have same fps but if you look closely for some reason the left side is running more stuttery, the big give away was the animals moving. the right side has a much more fluid feel to the play back of the image. even in the gun fire
Yes I agree. I seen more stutter in the 4090S. The extra cores in 3090 has the win 🥇
@saintcastle 192bit bus for the 4070 super.. that in other words.. you wouldn't put a 1600hp engine in a reliant robbin that has 3 wheels and keeps falling over and no all wheel drive.. fucker be stuck doing burn outs, you squeezed the life out the engine.getting no where.. think of a tap.. turn it.to.a drip ( 4070 super) then turn it up some more but not max you have ( 256bit) , 384bit and up is consider better.. for.higher end cpus, it's basically.a.bottle.kneck.. as you ain't.able to push any more computing data through the pipe line.and that'll end up causing stutters..
which one would you get if you had the money? I have a 3070 now but I was thinking about getting a 40 series but this video made me question it. So more cores isnt always better?
@saintcastle just wait Intil the 50 series
@@NrGSourcEsurfeR ok will do. the30 series card is working good so i should be ok until the 50 series comes out.
I see one problem in this test, my rtx 3090 ftw3 takes 450w and keeps clocks at 2000mhz+ and that makes a big difference
you have your % and Temp swapped between the two GPUs what confused at what I thought was the low utilization on the 4070S until I realized.
4070 Super = 3080Ti
Lower consumption would be the only deal on 4070 Super 🤷♂
yeah and 3080ti is like 3-max 5% slower than a 3090
@@DELTA9XTC amount of VRAM tho.
False. It's just below the 4070ti for $300 less.
Oh good I already have one.
Wish you had shown the numbers for 4k path traced without DLSS or FG in alan wake 2. the 4070 supers 3 fps in the techpowerup review illustrates the problem with 12gb cards going forward when texture sizes go up.
both cards in this mode will not show more than 30 fps.
This mode even brings the 4090 to a crawl.
@@Sayan2233I play Alan Wake everything maxed out including PT, DLSS balanced with FSR 3 FG mod on my 3090 @ 4K with 65 FPS avg.
@@zacthegamer6145 you do realize that dlss balanced is basically 1080p right? its 1080p upscaled to 4k, not 4k
@@zacthegamer6145What's your framerate without the FSR mod?
so im going to upgrade since im running the legendary 1080 ftw hybrid, is it better to spend the pretty penny on the 3080ti or on a 4070 super needling 150w less and not needing to upgrade my powersupply
Definitely go with the 4070 Super
Wait the new 5000 card‘s are coming in the 4th quarter of 2024
Happy that you finally talk about power draw. Thanks for the info, I wanted a 4070..i'll wait to see where prices goes.
I've loved my 2080 Super up to this point. I think the Super cards offer peak performance to dollar ratio for their respective generation, and look forward to upgrading to a 4080 Super
That will be a great upgrade. Hope you get one at msrp man, good luck.
Ti cards are best in their generation
@@WololoWololo2 You get diminishing returns when talking on a dollar to performance ratio, typically paying 50% more for 10-20% extra performance out of the Ti card. So yeah, the Ti cards offer the best outright performance, but my comment specifically says, Super cards offer the best performance to dollar ratio, matching the launch prices of their non Super counterpart, while being just shy of the Ti performance
@@ZZPxFTW On Ti cards you can use it for way longer, RTX 3090 Ti owners wont change their hardware for atleast 4 years because of how powerful they are. More expensive but more life in it. You wont get anything after this best class hardware of years ago still can do amazing things better than cheap hardwares
@@WololoWololo2 the last sentence is not even coherent, so I have no idea what you’re trying to make a point about. And, the first point you make is already addressed in my first reply to you and what you’re trying to say makes no sense. 30 series didn’t have a super, but even still, let’s use your example. The 3090 Ti is only 12% more powerful than a 3090. So it’s not “THAT much more powerful,” as you’re claiming. 12% more performance DOES NOT equal and extra 4 years lmao. For my 2080 Super, it’s actually 18% less powerful than a 2080 Ti, so a bigger gap in performance than the 3090, but even then, the 2080 Ti still becomes out of date around the same time as my card, given a 4070 Ti is 56% faster than a 2080 Ti, while 82% faster than the 2080 super. So instead of getting 100 fps while gaming, I’d be getting 118 fps if I had the Ti… where’s this mega powerful Ti performance and lifespan you’re talking about? Doesn’t exist. Both users would find value in upgrading around the same time. All this without reiterating the fact that Ti cards are more than 50% more expensive than their Super counterparts. If your philosophy is “get ripped off to get the extra 12-18% more fps” then yeah, get the Ti. The rest of us are smarter than that. Don’t call my card cheap hardware either; $700 for a gpu is not cheap
Damn that 3090 uses a lot of power just to match the 4070. Pretty insane how efficient 40 series is
Its what we should have gotten from the 40 series. The 70 class cards perform around the 90 class of the previous gen.
that is what we got?@@clownavenger0
4070 Super not just "4070".
you are comparing a x70 class gpu with x90, of course x70 is more power efficient, lol... gtx 1070 was also incredible when compared to 980 Ti, same performance, less power consumption... oh, and guess what? 5070 will also perform in between 4080~4090 and consuming less...
@@SubzeroBlack68yes same price, it replaced 4070
I want to know the power consumption thanks
For some reason my Rtx 4070s won’t show correct usage in task manager, and MSI afterburner with not the right wattage
Waiting for the 5090 before upgrading from my 3090Ti
What is it you need, 4k monitor, 3090 is too slow ?
I'm just an enthusiast and like to build a new machine every-other generation. When the 5090 comes out it'll be time for a new build. I'll give my current computer 5950X/3090Ti to one of my grandkids.@@lucasrem
@@lucasrem3090 is too slow for 4k
yes, 5090 & 4k@@lucasrem
My god some 1080p of of both these cards in the mid 30 fps only my god, 25fps for a 3090 in Alan wake 2 with those ray or path tracing settings, that's terrible so many settings have to be turned down or altered with frame gen to get anything decent - wowzers
what was the 3090 like a 1400+ card just like 2 yrs ago?, if available & some were near 1800 or more due to stock issues, to be only able to play some game (with the best 4k settings now in 20-30 fps is kinda nuts and with that high power, whilst it good to see efficiency get better & performance of 4070 it games are still outstripping cards abilities unless you have a bottomless pit of money to spend.
I'm not sure but I suspect many Nvidia buyers are feeling value has gone to hell, the 30 series was a stock price gouging sensation, the 40 series VRAM, duel 4080 initial row backs & price for value was broken on Launch.
With Nvidia mistakes their customers of only the last 6 months having their investments trashed for those who were early customers of who the first 40 series cards.
I dunno what a mess, I would think trust, in their business practices and model is eroding fast - I’m sure price fixing, drip feeding tech improvements and double dipping is all going on, the value of what released, availability seems too manipulative but AMD isnt much better with matching pricing & similar issues -
😂
Still findintg it all crazily fascinating on the sidelines atm
All we can say is holy hell what a tour de force in tests of games, cards, cards v comparison Daniel is doing this month! ❤❤
I paid over $2000 for my 3090 at Microcenter in July 2021.
@@brianrobinson3961 👀👀
Just the natural order of things. There's always something better and faster around the corner. Sure you can get 15-20% better performance for the same money now but I've had my 4070 for the last 9 months. You will never buy anything if you worry about this shit. In another 12-16 months the 5070 will be out and be another 30% faster than the 4070S.
Technology evolves. Of course newer cards will run faster and older cards will depreciate in value.
Same for TV, cars etc. You certainly didn't expect tech to stagnate did you?
@@ehenningsen nope I know that of course, we all love tech & tech improvements (and it doesn’t stand still for sure & we wouldn’t want it too) - not against tech advancement! - it’s more the point about business pricing, supply & release scheduling for customer trust/value & what In what I often often suspect is purposeful price fixing etc & purposefully downgrading what’s possible in a drip feed small tech improvements in the recent cycles but as long as we keep buying they keep doing it, I do feel many have lost trust now in some of their future consumer confidence. You must see what they doing? release something not that good for high amounts, low stock, whilst already having another better version ready (at same time) but release it 4-6months later for double dipping etc
So maybe I didn’t make my point well enough it’s the business practices & customer trust being eroded that I’m worried / interested in to see how this pans out.
The last 5 years business practices have changed you cannot really say consumers feel the 30 and 40 series releases have gone well or been valued by the consumer like - anyhow just my rambling 😂
what is web site for comparison GPU on 26:47 ?
why does the fottage look smoother on the 3090?
RTX 3090 with optimized settings at 4k with DLSS FSR FG mod is still a very good GPU @ 4K. I have seen ratchet and clank, star wars Jedi survivor with DLSS 4K ultra FG mod consume upto 21GB Vram.
4k is not smart res 50fps on starfield 😂 I have the best 3090 money can buy I use 1440p
@@stevieC11Hanworth Starfield ultra settings @ 4k, DLSS Q, FSR 3 FG mod is 95 FPS avg in New Atlantis.
@@stevieC11Hanworth I do not own a 1440p monitor. I either play @ 4k on my 49inch VRR 120 Hz Oled monitor or 3440*1440p 165 Hz Ultrawide.
Otherwise, I do moonlight streaming via Sunshine to either of my handhelds: ROG Ally (120 Hz, 1080p) and Legion Go (144Hz, 1600p).
@@zacthegamer6145 thanks for the detailed response. I believe 4k is a scam not worth wasting my resources on and you can't notice the difference to 1440p happy gaming
They allocated 21gb VRAM, there's a big difference between usage & allocation. The bigger the attic the more stuff you keep there, doesn't need to be useful stuff.
The performance is impressive for the price against what the 3090 retailed at, and even at it's sale price at the 40 series launch, what is more impressive is the power draw comparison. I ran an EVGA 3080ti hybrid and it pulled way more power than the 4070 Super, and based on this comparison I assume would have lost in a FPS comparison. I'm not saying Nvidia's pricing model is where it should be, upgrading to a MSI 4090 hybrid cost an arm and a leg, but these Supers seem like decent cards and upgrading to them may not mean needing to buy a new PSU to run it.
It's impressive just because the 3090 was so bad in terms of price/performance, that even if this 4070 super is still a really bad value, seem "so much better", but it isn't.
They should cost 100 to 150 euro/usd less to be just "a good" value.
I miss the golden age of the rx580, gtx1070 and 5700xt
Wow, Daniel did it! I'm looking forward to watching this whole video. Thanks 😊
Why not show frametime in benchmarks?
I bought 3080Ti for 600 bucks 15 months ago and seeing these results I get identical performance. Pretty good buy, considering...
I bought 3090 around the same time as you for 600 bucks.
@@zacthegamer6145 i bought A100 vga for 600buck too.
Power draw is 100+ watts more on the 3080ti, I do think it is pretty amazing how efficient lovelace is.
Insufficient vram
@@lifemocker85 I have yet to see any games where VRAM is insufficient.
Side conclusion: cards perform almost identically in 1140p without DLSS and 4K with DLSS. Taking into consideration how good DLSS is and how cheap 4K are becoming I would pick a 4K screen especially since the further in the future the faster GPUs will be and most of us don't buy a new monitor every 2 years or so.
Iv been telling ppl this but then im called dumb lmao.
I bought a 4k 144hz monitor and i play singleplayer games in 4k / 4k w/dlss Q, and fps games in native 1080p 200+ fps.
a 4k monitor can display 1080p waaaaaaaaay better than a 1440p monitor bc 4k divides into 1080, 1440p doesnt. 1440p should be skipped bc 4k with dlss Q will look better than any native 1440p monitor while requiring near the same gpu performance
@@XxAtomic646xX based
Thanks for the informative video but one of the main points of the 4070 super for me is the price since its a big w getting similar performance for only one third of the price and at lower power consump so if u buy it as an upgrade u dont necessarly have to buy a new power supply if u have a relatively high one already (i have a 3060ti with a 750 power supp. cause they didnt have 650 at the time available)
what MSI settings is he using?
But that power draw is less then that 3090 which is nice
Absolutely right! 4070S has 1,5x times lower power consumption than 3090
So glad I got my 3090 for $675 compared to most people who paid double or more. I don’t plan on upgrading for a few years and even then I’ll go team red. I’m not even too worried I play at 1440p and don’t play a ton of the newer titles as only a select few catch my interest.
Oh damn, that's a steal! Even a 3080 for its MSRP would've been good value when it launched, imagine a 3090 for less than that.
@@markjacobs1086 yes and I got it with the warranty which is still good until next year got the warranty transferred and all
VR needs to be considered with these benchmarks. MSFS2020 or something in VR, that's where these xx90 series cards take the lead with the VRAM.
When I first got into vr gaming I thought the 3070 would be fine. Then I thought the 4070 would be fine. I'm hoping I finally get a smooth vr experience with the 5070 😅
I think you answered all my remaining questions about the 4070 Super. Thanks for the practical review!
Regardless of whether it's 3% ahead or 3% behind in whatever game and setting you test, a -70 staying basically a tie with the previous generation's -90 class SKU is pretty cool. This is a great value.
NVidia lied - shocked Pikachu face.
But it does beat it in 1080/1440 in some of these games. So partial truth?
Did you idiots even watch the video!? Nvidia told the truth.
Anyone got advice on GPUs for high end emulation? 4k 60fps
is the 4070 ti super the best frames per dollar?
220w vs 340w tho. Not bad.
You expect it to use more?
well it doesn't use even nearly the same power nor does it cost the same, so it's still technically a improvement regardless@@flimermithrandir
Yeah, the Ada cards are crazy efficient. I'm almost certain you can undervolt this and still keep 97% of that performance.
@@Archaoen0 Of course it is. No Question about that. But i feel like some ppl act like Nvidia is God Like and thats just not true. AMD is worse is a more accurate Fact. That doesn not mean Nvidia is terrible. What Nvidia did is… using he best TSMC Node and using a very small Die compared to whats used to. Thats how they get to this „very low“ (we are still talking about 220 Watt which is not very low) Power Usage. The Architecture is good as i said. They are doing fine but they arent Gods like some think or want to constantly want others to think. Thats all.
@@flimermithrandir True , some people worship Nvidia and completely swear by it and i hate that, i personally have a 4060 but i don't go to people saying that they shouldn't care about AMD when they clearly offer way better value across the board, but what i feel like AMD should be doing is not trying to catch up to Nvidia's features and rather try to fix gaming's other issues and make their own unique features as selling points.
3090 still selling for £2k on Amazon uk 🤣
Got my evga ftw3 ultra for $800 cad
I don't know what's going but at the test Avatar 1440p Ultra, the 4070 S seems a bit laggy, maybe was just the recording, but still, weird
I always look for native FPS no DLSS and FSR... Comparing pure power of GPU.
then u are stupid
With how badly game's are releasing that seems bad
@@IncredibleLyrics why would you buy a terribly released game? you can pretty much demo anything despite all the DRM. fake frames are fake frames.
@@inducedapathy1296all frames are fake, they're literally just pixels on the screen.
Reflex + Boost closes the gap enough that latency is basically a non issue.
Nobody alive can tell a 20ms difference in input latency lmao
So... work harder, not smarter?
Yeah... think I'll be keeping my evga ftw3 3090 for a long time now. Even painted it white! Love this card. If I undervolt it it actually consumes 'only' around 290W under heavy load, so it's not even that bad.
Yup, I came to the same conclusion, Keeping my MSI 3090 OC for a while longer, paid a hefty price for it when it launched and nobody could get a 3080 card, so it's nice to see it holds up just fine against the 4070 super, with double the memory (which I use in Blender anyway)
I have a 6090xt, which is like 3 years old now, but still preforms between 4070S and 4070ti, if im not playing with ray tracing. 3090 is also gonna last many more years for 1440p, and even 4k if u upscale. :)
Honestly the lower power draw is a big plus by itself for me. My place doesn’t have the greatest wiring and I’ve overloaded the breaker before with too much stuff plugged in and on. Even if I wanted to save and get a 4090 I feel like I’d have to turn everything in my place off to use the PC.
I think that RTX 4070S is the best card which you are going to get for a long while then in terms performance/watt.
Right. I need to wire in a dedicated outlet just for my pc when spring hits.
Got a feeling I may be waiting one more generation until the 5000 series GPU's before upgrading my 1070 non TI that I've had for like 6 years now. I mean, I pretty much only play FPS atm and get around 120 FPS on cod, 90-100 on warzone at 1080P which is the type of monitors I have. I use two monitors and recently upgraded to 32gb of 3600 ram from 16gb of 3000 and games run smoother. I'd suggest that if you use multiple monitors to get at least 32GB ram because you potentially have a lot more stuff going on in the background than you would if you only had one monitor. I'll just use this time to save a couple grand because I'll be needing to do a whole new setup when I get a new GPU (MOBO, CPU, DDR5 Ram, Faster m.2 memory and 1440/4k monitors)
Shouldnt the 4070 super run cooler too? Its running 5c hotter despite using over 100w less. in the avatar 1440p bit.
Hard to tell if we don't see fan speeds, but even if they run the fans at a similar speed, denser packed transistors (smaller process nodes) tend to trap heat between transistors (AMD CPU's encounter the same challenge on top of having that very thick IHS).
That can potentially cause some cooling problems.
the 4070 is consistently using more RAM memory wich is a concern, the VRAM seems to be not enough in some scenarios.
Likely a combination of its lower bandwidth and smaller vram pool
You can swap the DLSS dll for the modded FSR3 dll and you'll get frame generation
But I have FG on my 3080 on a bunch of games without it.
So is it worth keeping hold of my 3070 at this stage or upgrading to at least a 3090?
Tbh the entire 40 series lineup is a slap on the consumers face.
Wow, I guess 11% of all PC Gamers love getting slapped in the face. COPE.
They're about even.
There, I saved you half an hour.
The 4070 won almost every time. You idiots act like the 3090 is a slow card, the thing cost over a thousand dollars. Stop hating so dishonestly.
Now that's a very enlightning analysis. Thank you Daniel!
You can overclock and power cap the 3090ti to about 225W, and still get the same performance as stock. So power consumption is pretty much in line with one another.
Then again, you can do that with the 4070 as well, running at below 175W at close to stock speeds.
The 4070Ti Super will beat then the 3090 for sure. Nice work and information of your video! Keep on it! 👍
4070Ti non-super already beats 3090 and matches 3090Ti.
@@DeepteshLovesTECHits actually faster than the 3090 Ti at 1440p slower in 4K though mostly cause of the bandwidth. The vram matters but way less than people think. Its the vram thats the issue though in my opinion nobody should be playing at 4K without a 4090 atleast. And yes that goes for the 7900XTX too
I don't know. To me it seems anyone who has at least a 3060ti is still well served until the next nvidia series, 4000 is skippable.
pretty much
Rtx40 is one of the very biggest jumps in GPU history, you're just coping. The fact that a 70 class is beating the previous 90 class is a technological miracle. Stop lying to yourself.
im skipping 5000 as well 😂
3080 ti owner
I play some of them games with my 3090 in 4K and get way more FPS than what the benchmarks state in your vid, not sure what you’re doing? 🤔
My next GPU's gonna be team red like my CPU has been for a long time.
had a zotac 3090 die on me, picked up a 4070 ti, definitely was an improvement. I know this is a about the super but i was impressed it ran so much cooler while getting a performance boost. Luckily im inside the return window to take the 4070 ti back and get a 4070 ti super. Im running 1440p with a 5950x as well.