Joakim Sederlin no the vro is your fuel pump you can bypass the oil side and still use it for a fuel pump. But if you remove it then yes you will have to buy a regular fuel pump.
Have a 2000 Johnson 50hp. For a couple years it was a pain to start. Always had to start it in neutral. Finally came across this video and this weekend I did everything in this video exactly as described (minus replacing airbox). The engine turned over on the first crank and is the 1st time I've ever gotten it to start without putting it in neutral. Thank you for this video, it was a game changer!
Why would you start motor in gear? Youre actually supposed to put in neutral. They make the controllers with nuetral safety deals so they wont start in when in gear..... Idk. Glad your good to go
Great video. Thank you! I am getting ready to delete the vro pump on my 1990 50hp evinrude and install regular pump as you did in video..this has to be one of the best informational video I’ve seen and I’ve been watching a ton for the last 5 days lol thanks again! I was nervous before but after watching your video I am no longer nervous and ready to conquer the project...have been pre mixing fuel since I bought boat & motor as vro is no longer using oil, only acts as fuel pump.
Thank you so much Brandon. I've learned so much from you. I have a 1993 50hp johnson that I'm replacing water pump and I want to switch out the VRO pump and put a regular pump in since someone already deleted it and left everything there.
Bought a 91 RFanger with a 91 Johnson Fast Strike 150. The previous owner removed the VRO and primer, so didn't come any of those parts. Ordered a similar pump off of eBay, but surprise, no instructions. This video will really help. Just need to figure out where the suction lines are from the case to plug into the pump.
I took the VRO off the motor when I bought the boat and motor back in 86. It’s the leading cause of failure in all out board motors. I’m not to lazy to mix some gas.. it still runs like it did the day it was made.
Brandon, I love your videos I have learned quite a bit, I have the same motor and would like to do the same exact thing. Unfortunately, all the parts weren't listed, and it's pretty difficult considering you have to get parts from a different year/model. Would you please tell us what year or model is the parts interchangeable for this modification, please? I have a 1990 40 HP Evinrude with the VRO. Thank you in advance
Thanks for the video! I have an 1988 40hp Evinrude E40tlccs. Do you think that plug might work for me. I like that idea better than plugging the old VRO hose. Also do you think the orientation of the manifold matters? I see you went bottom up and my VRO is (I think they come) top down.
I have a 1993 Johnson 115 2 stroke VRO motor. Do you recommend doing the same procedure? MY VRO oil side of the pump wiring is rotted off to the VRO body so useless.
Brandon, do you happen to know what size socket fits the flywheel nut on that 93 40 HP? I have one and (assume) it needs a new stator. It has weak spark for about 1 second then no spark. Already replaced plugs, wires, coil, powerpack. Only things I think that may be left are stator...which I have and just need to remove flywheel, and then timer or rectifier. Maybe you or someone we can chime in and help me if possible. Thank you in advance.
great step by step video. I'm in the middle of this on a 93 Johnson 40. You didn't mention what to do with the left over wiring from the VRO. Leave it hang in the cover? Any reason to tape it off? Also, my carbs have a line from the top of one carb to the other, yours do not. Whats the purpose of that line? any ideas?
Hi Brandon, my 1999 50hp is forward controls, so all my warning lights are in the tacho. What do i do with the harness where you disconnected it so i still have my overtemp light etc without the low oil warning coming on all the time? Do i bridge some wires from the vro? Thanks.
Enjoyed the video. Do you have a VRO rebuild video? What symptoms have you experienced with a pump going bad and how would you troubleshoot? Thanks again for your videos.
Great video. I did this to my E40TLESR last year. Works good but the VRO (variable ratio oil) would adjust oil/fuel based on rpm. Now getting 50-1 full time means too much oil at idle. (Smokes like hell). The VRO would adjust to 100-1 at idle then 50-1 at full throttle.
But think about it... you're at idle, then you full, or heavy, throttle it to get moving, for a few seconds you're running at a high RPM while the carbs, and fuel lines are all filled with 100:1. Do that long enough, you'll have premature wear that wouldn't have happened on 50:1 premix.
Brandon's Garage Valid point. I’m happy without the VRO. I don’t worry anymore about pump failure. Plus I’m starting to like the smell of 2 stroke oil in the morning.
The main point of it all is to do away with any possibility of either the sensor going bad that tells you it’s not mixing, which is yet another part that could go bad. Also, it eliminates the chance of the VRO system simply not doing its job. It could get stuck at 100:1 and you not know it. It’ll run, till it doesn’t. Too many possibilities that are simply too easily avoided by spending $30 on a complete fuel pump kit and of course you get the few hours of time away from the aggravating youngans and mouthy wife 😂
This is a great video, only part I am not sure on, is the fuel pump, everyone else uses one the runs lines the opposite way.( to me to long and with a bend) What part number may you be using, Around here we get Sierra Parts from our NAPA, not a lot of OMC parts providers around any more.
Brandon or other knowledgeable people. I have a 1990 Johnson 60 vro. It’s always ran great. Never done anything more than spark plugs. Seems to be flooding quite easily. Where to start? Likely causes? Tests I could perform? Thanks
Can I do this to my evinrude 120 and/or should I. I used to have a 135 before VRO existed and it would scream and haul ass. It was on a 15’ ski boat. The 120 is on a 17’5” bass boat. Any advice before I jump into it ?
Hey Brandon, love the videos. They are a great help. I was just wondering if there was any reason why you didn't reinstall a fuel filter before the fuel pump. Was just curious. Thanks for the great videos. Keep up the great work.
Brandon, Is it necessary to do all this work or can you just remove the oil tank, cap the oil the input at the entry point near the fuel connection on the outside of the motor, disconnect the alarm wires, and leave the VRO plumbing in tact? Or will this cause other issues? Thanks!
That would work fine too, thats how a lot of people do it. Keep in mind this video is for 'complete removal Only issue with your method is when the pump dies, its still a $400+ repair, where my method is usually less than $100.
I did the VRO delete on my j40elccs Johnson outboard the way you did in the video. I also removed and cleaned my Carbs (harbor freight ultra sonic cleaner and degreaser) this combo made i big difference. I don't even have to use the automatic primer anymore to start the engine. It idles smoother and has great power.... one thing i noticed was that there is no air filter on what i would think is the air cleaner housing. Is this normal, do these motors not run an air filter at all?
@@BrandonsGarage I guess its just me being OCD (auto tech by profession) and feeling like every engine should have an air cleaner.. Anyhow thanks so much for your tutorial.
If your OCD gets the best of you as it has done myself. Simply buy a mesh screen (more durable than fiber) and epoxy it onto the holds on right side (starboard) of engine... if you have the plastic breather cover. Just make sure whatever you get will allow air at a sufficient rate. Another option to avoid anything going into the intake breather hole(s) is to install some sort of filter at the breather hole on the engine cover itself. If you have a good deal on the gasket located on bottom of the removable part of engine cover, that will eliminates by chance of debris finding its way in their.
Was there ever a list put together for all this stuff 4 years ago I mean I remember the original video when it first launched but I still haven't seen the list was supposed to somewhere else???😊
I have that same electric start model you have. I was wondering if you can tell me what size the bolts are that mate the plain fuel pump to the block to use the pulse. Would appreciate any responses. Thanks!
I have a 1990 40 hp Evinrude with the VRO, and occasionally when I turn the key on (boat is in garage), the horn sounds continuously. I just replaced the temperature switch and, after testing it everyday by turning the key on, about 10 days after replacing the switch the horn once sounded continually when I turned the key on. And occasionally when turning the key it sounds for about 2 seconds then stops. Any ideas? I think the horn or horn sensor might be faulty, but can't find any videos on how to get at it or how to replace it.
Hi Brandon I realize this is a quite old video, I have a very similar outboard and would like to follow this video. My question is would you do anything different today? Plead let me know. Thanks
Hi Brandon, great video it’s really helped me start the same conversion on my 60hp Johnson, however... I’ve hit a roadblock, my pump didn’t come with bolts to mount it to the engine, would you happen to know which ones I need? All the best, Dave uk.
Is there a reason you put the metal airbox on afterward other then the fact that it does not have the hole for the VRO in it like the plastic one? Thanks
@@BrandonsGarage cool thanks I have the same parts and I have always found the metal airbox to be significantly better quality. However I wasn't sure if there was any real reason for using one or the other.
I have a 2000 johnson 50hp that I deleted the vro on. I bought the pump # that Crowley marine has for the motor and it has 3 barbs and a hole in the back. Can I run the pump mounted to the block and run the pulse hose? Will that hurt anything?
It doesn't look plugged but I'll check by removing the pump and blowing on the pulse hose. If its not plugged it would explain why the motor won't start.
Does any one know what he did with the wires going to the vro pump? I did this vro delete but now I am blowing the fuse when I try and start the motor.
I’ve got a 1990 Johnson 40hp with the vro. I deleted the oil tank and plugged the oil line inside the cowling. I replaced the fuel line and brand new components. Including the bulb, fittings, and fuel filter. My motor runs strong, but it will NOT keep prime in the fuel line. I have to manually pump the bulb while running. Do you know what I should look at next? Dirty carb? Dirty carb bowl? Replace VRO pump with the smaller fuel only pump?
Have you checked to make sure your fuel tank is vented properly? If not, fuel will not enter the hose without help from the squeeze bulb and will eventually stop completely until air can enter the tank. Good luck.
@@cdc9776I ended up figuring it out a while back. The VRO pump had a tiny crack on top and it was sucking air and losing prime for the entire fuel system. Did a full delete and took the VRO pump off and just switched it to a regular fuel pump.
Adolfo Garcia what’s the rpm it’s running at at idle. Should check that out. What type of engine and year? Could be carburetor not setup right to idle. Could be junk in the slow idle holes could be a air leak could be a link and sink needs to be done. Could be vent on gas tank closed I could go on and on however check the simple things first and move from the tank to the carburetors you will find your problem.
I bought a Pontoon with a 98 50hp Evinrude w VRO delete already done. The fuel was nasty and top carb wouldn't drain. I cleaned carbs and replaced all fuel lines like in video but my carbs have another port at the top where solenoid hoses come in. I took pictures before disassembly but unfortunately got deleted. Does anyone know what goes to these or does a hose just jump from top to bottom carb. Thanks so much.
i sell reproduction fuel manifolds with hoses for that motor for $15 plus shipping. the factory ones are NLA! Anywho, that nipple goes to the primer solenoid... gives it a shot of fuel when you push in the key. they need to be clean and hoses are routed behind the carbs (front of the crank case). my manifold kit comes with new clear blue lines for those.
@@ct1762 1:11 version airbox (VRO version) versus 20:19 airbox (non VRO). I'm not talking about oiling methods, I'm talking about induction restrictions.
hey i have a 91 johnson 90 with the vro delete. the guy who had it before me took it off and has everything run a different way. the guy didnt even put the fuel pump on the power head like u did. could that be why it is running crappy? could you do a video on a 90 vro delete or can i just do it the same way in this video?
I have a 93 60 hp with the vro had a mechanic buddy tell me i needed to put a vacuum line from where the pulse limiter was to the pump is that correct?
Need your advice. Here's the issue. I have a 2001 Johnson 50HP. The outboard doesn't start easily. I always have to put it into neutral and rev it up in order to start. It runs well at full throttle and get up to 30mph. but when I slow down or idle it stalls out when in the water. I have rebuilt the VRO pump, rebuilt the carbs, checked for leaks, etc. I have read that bad reed valves can cause this problem. Also, a MAP sensor or the AIC could be bad. I have looked at the manual and I'm not sure my outboard even has any of these. Any advice would be appreciated.
@@BrandonsGarage i haven't checked compression. Run me through how to properlydo that. Also, do you advise getting rid of the vro pump and replacing with a fuel pump like your video shows? What is the advantage other than making more room?
My pump has three nipples coming out of it part number 0438557 for a 97 Johnsons 40hp. do I use the original pulse hole to operate this pump and run a hose cause there's no hole in the back of the pump where I took the bolt out of the side of the motor to mount the pump. Now I bought a gasket for the pump and removed that bolt I hope that gasket seals that hole off from the motor if im using the original pulse outlet.
Im curious why everyone is so anxious to remove the VRO pump - from what Ive heard and experienced they are very reliable. Im about to change my VRO pump on a 1996 Johnson 70 due to some fuel delivery issues after 25 years.
Do you need to use a fuel filter? When i took my stock line off there was a fuel filter? I saw something online that said the new fuel pump has a built in one though.
so why did you not secure the engine's petrol manifold,, its going to be swinging in the wind when the engine is running?,, odd's on it will shear off one of its tiny ports and then you will get petrol spraying every were under the engine hood!,, ,, and when that happens you wait for the big yellow flash of flame's, shortly followed by the bang!
hI, If your fuel filter does not have a arrow and you cant remember which way it was installed, how is a person supposed to know how to install a in line filter? thanks. I have the 1989 120 hp johnson
You just go ahead and keep your complicated VRO and wait for engine failure.. It will fail..And it will ruin the engine. The warning system will likely not save you either..Anytime you can get rid of overcomplicated, expensive technology..The better off you are. Motors did without all this crap for a century.. And they were rock solid without it..
What's the part number of the fuel pump you used?
That would be - 433387
ebay.to/2MEqWEa
So you have to get a fuel pump if you disconnet the vro?
Joakim Sederlin no the vro is your fuel pump you can bypass the oil side and still use it for a fuel pump. But if you remove it then yes you will have to buy a regular fuel pump.
What is the screw length size / thread for mounting
Hands down the best video for VRO delete on CZcams PERIOD.. thanks this video gave me the confidence to do this myself and it runs perfect
Have a 2000 Johnson 50hp. For a couple years it was a pain to start. Always had to start it in neutral. Finally came across this video and this weekend I did everything in this video exactly as described (minus replacing airbox). The engine turned over on the first crank and is the 1st time I've ever gotten it to start without putting it in neutral. Thank you for this video, it was a game changer!
Why would you start motor in gear? Youre actually supposed to put in neutral. They make the controllers with nuetral safety deals so they wont start in when in gear.....
Idk. Glad your good to go
Great video. Thank you! I am getting ready to delete the vro pump on my 1990 50hp evinrude and install regular pump as you did in video..this has to be one of the best informational video I’ve seen and I’ve been watching a ton for the last 5 days lol thanks again! I was nervous before but after watching your video I am no longer nervous and ready to conquer the project...have been pre mixing fuel since I bought boat & motor as vro is no longer using oil, only acts as fuel pump.
What's the correct oil fuel ratio to run permix
Thanks for the info been battling my vro about 3 years I will change over to the old style thanks again.
Thank you for your excellent video got my older buddies boat running excellent
Thank you so much Brandon. I've learned so much from you. I have a 1993 50hp johnson that I'm replacing water pump and I want to switch out the VRO pump and put a regular pump in since someone already deleted it and left everything there.
Bought a 91 RFanger with a 91 Johnson Fast Strike 150. The previous owner removed the VRO and primer, so didn't come any of those parts. Ordered a similar pump off of eBay, but surprise, no instructions. This video will really help. Just need to figure out where the suction lines are from the case to plug into the pump.
Very good video, shows all the steps clear
Great video u showed step by step,
Aside from calling bolts, screws, a very good video,
Take it up with Evinrude, they called them screws.
Good info thanks
I took the VRO off the motor when I bought the boat and motor back in 86. It’s the leading cause of failure in all out board motors. I’m not to lazy to mix some gas.. it still runs like it did the day it was made.
Agreed.
and you don't have the oil tank.
win win in my book
the leading cause of failure is poor maintenance, NOT the systems.
@@ct1762 A buddy of mine had the plastic gears strip on his bro and lockout up but good. The rings melted into the pistons.
Hey Bradon, great video! what's the name of the manifold you used to connect the primer solenoid and the fuel line. Can't find it! thx
Brandon, I love your videos I have learned quite a bit, I have the same motor and would like to do the same exact thing. Unfortunately, all the parts weren't listed, and it's pretty difficult considering you have to get parts from a different year/model. Would you please tell us what year or model is the parts interchangeable for this modification, please? I have a 1990 40 HP Evinrude with the VRO. Thank you in advance
Great video! I’m getting ready to covert 1992 50hp. How did you know which fuel pump to get? I see one guy using the three port fuel pump.
Are there some electronic parts you have to cut off ?
Maybe the oil light keeps blinking by removing the vro ?
Thanks for the video! I have an 1988 40hp Evinrude E40tlccs. Do you think that plug might work for me. I like that idea better than plugging the old VRO hose.
Also do you think the orientation of the manifold matters? I see you went bottom up and my VRO is (I think they come) top down.
exelente!!
I have a 1993 Johnson 115 2 stroke VRO motor. Do you recommend doing the same procedure? MY VRO oil side of the pump wiring is rotted off to the VRO body so useless.
Brandon, do you happen to know what size socket fits the flywheel nut on that 93 40 HP? I have one and (assume) it needs a new stator. It has weak spark for about 1 second then no spark. Already replaced plugs, wires, coil, powerpack. Only things I think that may be left are stator...which I have and just need to remove flywheel, and then timer or rectifier. Maybe you or someone we can chime in and help me if possible. Thank you in advance.
great step by step video. I'm in the middle of this on a 93 Johnson 40. You didn't mention what to do with the left over wiring from the VRO. Leave it hang in the cover? Any reason to tape it off? Also, my carbs have a line from the top of one carb to the other, yours do not. Whats the purpose of that line? any ideas?
Hi Brandon, my 1999 50hp is forward controls, so all my warning lights are in the tacho. What do i do with the harness where you disconnected it so i still have my overtemp light etc without the low oil warning coming on all the time? Do i bridge some wires from the vro? Thanks.
Enjoyed the video.
Do you have a VRO rebuild video?
What symptoms have you experienced with a pump going bad and how would you troubleshoot? Thanks again for your videos.
Will this work on a 115 j115pleem? Would the pump keep up pushing 4 carbs
Great video. I did this to my E40TLESR last year. Works good but the VRO (variable ratio oil) would adjust oil/fuel based on rpm. Now getting 50-1 full time means too much oil at idle. (Smokes like hell). The VRO would adjust to 100-1 at idle then 50-1 at full throttle.
But think about it... you're at idle, then you full, or heavy, throttle it to get moving, for a few seconds you're running at a high RPM while the carbs, and fuel lines are all filled with 100:1.
Do that long enough, you'll have premature wear that wouldn't have happened on 50:1 premix.
Brandon's Garage
Valid point. I’m happy without the VRO. I don’t worry anymore about pump failure. Plus I’m starting to like the smell of 2 stroke oil in the morning.
@@BrandonsGarage true and a few of them were 150:1! but with modern synthetic 100:1 is plenty, of course regular oil maybe not lol
The main point of it all is to do away with any possibility of either the sensor going bad that tells you it’s not mixing, which is yet another part that could go bad. Also, it eliminates the chance of the VRO system simply not doing its job. It could get stuck at 100:1 and you not know it. It’ll run, till it doesn’t. Too many possibilities that are simply too easily avoided by spending $30 on a complete fuel pump kit and of course you get the few hours of time away from the aggravating youngans and mouthy wife 😂
Corey Matthews - True that.
This is a great video, only part I am not sure on, is the fuel pump, everyone else uses one the runs lines the opposite way.( to me to long and with a bend) What part number may you be using, Around here we get Sierra Parts from our NAPA, not a lot of OMC parts providers around any more.
Great video! My vro went out so now I’m gonna fix it up like you did in this video. Where’s the parts list?
Brandon is there any chance you could list the part numbers for those fuel hoses or maybe put a link from where you obtained them. Thank you
Go to auto part store get fuel hose cut to fit
Brandon or other knowledgeable people. I have a 1990 Johnson 60 vro. It’s always ran great. Never done anything more than spark plugs. Seems to be flooding quite easily. Where to start? Likely causes? Tests I could perform? Thanks
Can I do this to my evinrude 120 and/or should I. I used to have a 135 before VRO existed and it would scream and haul ass. It was on a 15’ ski boat.
The 120 is on a 17’5” bass boat.
Any advice before I jump into it ?
Hey Brandon, love the videos. They are a great help. I was just wondering if there was any reason why you didn't reinstall a fuel filter before the fuel pump. Was just curious. Thanks for the great videos. Keep up the great work.
He forgot and is probably embarrassed 😂
Premix fuel and paper fuel filters don’t mix
There's a filter inside the pump.
Hi Brandon,
Will this pump works for Johnson 70 HP 1989 and what is the part number for the pump. Thanks
Brandon,
Is it necessary to do all this work or can you just remove the oil tank, cap the oil the input at the entry point near the fuel connection on the outside of the motor, disconnect the alarm wires, and leave the VRO plumbing in tact? Or will this cause other issues?
Thanks!
That would work fine too, thats how a lot of people do it.
Keep in mind this video is for 'complete removal
Only issue with your method is when the pump dies, its still a $400+ repair, where my method is usually less than $100.
Does run better l still have 1990 vro .I mix gas for 5year, I'm going to pump soon . good video
What’s the part number for that air intake? Or what can I search to find it? Can’t seem to locate one that looks like it
I did the VRO delete on my j40elccs Johnson outboard the way you did in the video. I also removed and cleaned my Carbs (harbor freight ultra sonic cleaner and degreaser) this combo made i big difference. I don't even have to use the automatic primer anymore to start the engine. It idles smoother and has great power.... one thing i noticed was that there is no air filter on what i would think is the air cleaner housing. Is this normal, do these motors not run an air filter at all?
Good to hear. It makes a huge difference.
An no, no air filter; not much dust/dirt out on the water.
@@BrandonsGarage I guess its just me being OCD (auto tech by profession) and feeling like every engine should have an air cleaner.. Anyhow thanks so much for your tutorial.
If your OCD gets the best of you as it has done myself. Simply buy a mesh screen (more durable than fiber) and epoxy it onto the holds on right side (starboard) of engine... if you have the plastic breather cover. Just make sure whatever you get will allow air at a sufficient rate. Another option to avoid anything going into the intake breather hole(s) is to install some sort of filter at the breather hole on the engine cover itself. If you have a good deal on the gasket located on bottom of the removable part of engine cover, that will eliminates by chance of debris finding its way in their.
Corey Matthews you could just wrap your old ladies pantyhose over the air box lol
Was there ever a list put together for all this stuff 4 years ago I mean I remember the original video when it first launched but I still haven't seen the list was supposed to somewhere else???😊
I have that same electric start model you have. I was wondering if you can tell me what size the bolts are that mate the plain fuel pump to the block to use the pulse. Would appreciate any responses. Thanks!
the pulse fitting can be blocked off with a 1/8 npt fitting i believe thats the correct one
Brandon, I need to do the same thing to a 1993 40 Johnson TJ40ELETB. Could you tell me what the part number is on the new fuel pump??
Any idea the bolt size for fuel pump mine didn’t come with them
which direction does the arrow go in the line for the fuel filter
Do you know what thread tipe for the pipe plug to replace the pulse limiter ?
How big was your pontoon and how fast did you go
so please tell me what part the silencer and air box is off of.
I have a 1990 40 hp Evinrude with the VRO, and occasionally when I turn the key on (boat is in garage), the horn sounds continuously. I just replaced the temperature switch and, after testing it everyday by turning the key on, about 10 days after replacing the switch the horn once sounded continually when I turned the key on. And occasionally when turning the key it sounds for about 2 seconds then stops. Any ideas?
I think the horn or horn sensor might be faulty, but can't find any videos on how to get at it or how to replace it.
Hi Brandon I have the same motor as u..could do a quick video on how to just disconnect the vro without taking it totally all apart?
Man I wish you were close enough to do my 50 hp Johnson
Awesome video! I learned a lot. Would this same setup, parts ect., work on a 1996 Johnson 60hp? Thanks
I'm having a problem find the right pump to do a 1993 40 johnson tj40eletb. Can you offer any help? Lol
Hi Brandon I realize this is a quite old video, I have a very similar outboard and would like to follow this video. My question is would you do anything different today? Plead let me know.
Thanks
Do u have a part number for the plate and new fuel connector?
Great work 🎉🎉🎉🎉😅😅😅😅😅
Brandon’s Garage can I do this same process on a 2001 Johnson 90hp?? I want nothing to do with the VRO!
I have a 40hp Evinrude te40elenm will that work for me and it's a key not pull start ?? Plz get back to me soon thanks keep up the good video
Hi Brandon, great video it’s really helped me start the same conversion on my 60hp Johnson, however... I’ve hit a roadblock, my pump didn’t come with bolts to mount it to the engine, would you happen to know which ones I need? All the best, Dave uk.
I just had the same thing happen. It is a 10-24 machine screw, 2 inches long
Part number 0314417
you legend @@smotorboat1145
Would you have a part number for the pump and do you think that pump would work with a johnson 70hp ?
what year 70?
Great video but anyway to do a step by step of unhookin the lines to the vro? Everything at the beginning qas hyper speed lol
Do you have to do anything with the vro oil tank electrical connector besides unplugging it thanks
nope, that is it.
Is there a reason you put the metal airbox on afterward other then the fact that it does not have the hole for the VRO in it like the plastic one?
Thanks
Not really,
Main reason, no VRO hole.
Secondary benefit, more access room for the cables and wiring.
@@BrandonsGarage cool thanks I have the same parts and I have always found the metal airbox to be significantly better quality. However I wasn't sure if there was any real reason for using one or the other.
I have a 2000 johnson 50hp that I deleted the vro on. I bought the pump # that Crowley marine has for the motor and it has 3 barbs and a hole in the back. Can I run the pump mounted to the block and run the pulse hose? Will that hurt anything?
the hole in the back... is is plugged?
You might have one for a v6 or something that ties 2 carburetors together.
If plugged, I would try it.
It doesn't look plugged but I'll check by removing the pump and blowing on the pulse hose. If its not plugged it would explain why the motor won't start.
I have a 85 90hp johnson is it the same part number if not where do i find out the right part
What's the part number of intake airbox silencer?
yes please advise
This is perfect. Only question is why don't you use the fuel filter?
There is a filter screen inside the new fuel pump. It's right under that circular section with a single knurled bolt for easy cleaning.
Does any one know what he did with the wires going to the vro pump? I did this vro delete but now I am blowing the fuse when I try and start the motor.
I’ve got a 1990 Johnson 40hp with the vro. I deleted the oil tank and plugged the oil line inside the cowling. I replaced the fuel line and brand new components. Including the bulb, fittings, and fuel filter. My motor runs strong, but it will NOT keep prime in the fuel line. I have to manually pump the bulb while running. Do you know what I should look at next? Dirty carb? Dirty carb bowl? Replace VRO pump with the smaller fuel only pump?
Have you checked to make sure your fuel tank is vented properly? If not, fuel will not enter the hose without help from the squeeze bulb and will eventually stop completely until air can enter the tank. Good luck.
@@cdc9776I ended up figuring it out a while back. The VRO pump had a tiny crack on top and it was sucking air and losing prime for the entire fuel system. Did a full delete and took the VRO pump off and just switched it to a regular fuel pump.
Can I just take off the vro pump and reuse the air box?Can’t find the air you used in your video. Thank you
yes of course.
in fact, I did just that in my recent 2000 50 HP video
I just changed my fuel pump it starts on the first try now but it turns off when it idles any ideas
Adolfo Garcia what’s the rpm it’s running at at idle. Should check that out. What type of engine and year? Could be carburetor not setup right to idle. Could be junk in the slow idle holes could be a air leak could be a link and sink needs to be done. Could be vent on gas tank closed I could go on and on however check the simple things first and move from the tank to the carburetors you will find your problem.
I bought a Pontoon with a 98 50hp Evinrude w VRO delete already done. The fuel was nasty and top carb wouldn't drain.
I cleaned carbs and replaced all fuel lines like in video but my carbs have another port at the top where solenoid hoses come in. I took pictures before disassembly but unfortunately got deleted.
Does anyone know what goes to these or does a hose just jump from top to bottom carb. Thanks so much.
i sell reproduction fuel manifolds with hoses for that motor for $15 plus shipping. the factory ones are NLA! Anywho, that nipple goes to the primer solenoid... gives it a shot of fuel when you push in the key. they need to be clean and hoses are routed behind the carbs (front of the crank case). my manifold kit comes with new clear blue lines for those.
I just deleted mine last week and its runs better then it ever did
Oh, its a surprising improvement. This engine has never run this good.
@@BrandonsGarage interesting - the only thing I could see changing the way it runs is the airbox for the VRO looks more restrictive. Is it louder?
@@dfabeagle718 air silencer has nothing to do with the VRO
@@ct1762 1:11 version airbox (VRO version) versus 20:19 airbox (non VRO).
I'm not talking about oiling methods, I'm talking about induction restrictions.
@@dfabeagle718 that metal one is for the rope start models only (different high speed jet and reeds). electric start ones vro or non-vro are the same
Greetings friend I have a JHONSON 40 HP year 1989 where can I get the CDI or the brain?
boats.net, marineengine.com, ebay.... lots of places.
Need a part number?
Would you happen to have a list of the part #’s you used I also have a 93 40hp
You buying everything new? used? All OEM?
Brandon's Garage probably new
@@robertalvarado4798 if you go to maxrules .com they sell complete kits.
hey i have a 91 johnson 90 with the vro delete. the guy who had it before me took it off and has everything run a different way. the guy didnt even put the fuel pump on the power head like u did. could that be why it is running crappy? could you do a video on a 90 vro delete or can i just do it the same way in this video?
Slightly different.
I just finished an 88 90 HP doing just this; video should be up within a week,.
@@BrandonsGarage i still havent seen the video posted but could you tell me what pump did you use.
“While i was at it I picked up some fuel line”. Genius comment really made me laugh..
Don’t you foul plugs constantly? Do you run 70:1 or 50:1 mix
No, not at all.
50:1
So you have to replace the air filter or can you just make do with the original
There is no air filter.
I have a 93 60 hp with the vro had a mechanic buddy tell me i needed to put a vacuum line from where the pulse limiter was to the pump is that correct?
Yes, but it should have been there all along.
@@BrandonsGarage gotcha so do I even need to pull the pulse limiter and replace with a standard brass fitting or can I just send it with the limiter?
Need your advice. Here's the issue. I have a 2001 Johnson 50HP. The outboard doesn't start easily. I always have to put it into neutral and rev it up in order to start. It runs well at full throttle and get up to 30mph. but when I slow down or idle it stalls out when in the water. I have rebuilt the VRO pump, rebuilt the carbs, checked for leaks, etc. I have read that bad reed valves can cause this problem. Also, a MAP sensor or the AIC could be bad. I have looked at the manual and I'm not sure my outboard even has any of these. Any advice would be appreciated.
Well if you have carburetors, you dont have any of the fuel injection sensors.
Check compression?
@@BrandonsGarage i haven't checked compression. Run me through how to properlydo that. Also, do you advise getting rid of the vro pump and replacing with a fuel pump like your video shows? What is the advantage other than making more room?
My pump has three nipples coming out of it part number 0438557 for a 97 Johnsons 40hp. do I use the original pulse hole to operate this pump and run a hose cause there's no hole in the back of the pump where I took the bolt out of the side of the motor to mount the pump. Now I bought a gasket for the pump and removed that bolt I hope that gasket seals that hole off from the motor if im using the original pulse outlet.
Informative, but need to ask why you did not include a fuel filter?
My exact thought, do you need one?
Come on people..The fuel filter is contained in the new pump..Not that hard to figure out,LOL
Im curious why everyone is so anxious to remove the VRO pump - from what Ive heard and experienced they are very reliable. Im about to change my VRO pump on a 1996 Johnson 70 due to some fuel delivery issues after 25 years.
On all the extra parts
Do you need to use a fuel filter? When i took my stock line off there was a fuel filter? I saw something online that said the new fuel pump has a built in one though.
You do not, as the cap has a built in strainer.
Great video. Did this to my 2004 Johnson 40 HP when the VRO went out. Your audio is very low. Can't hear most of what you say. Thanks.
low and mumbley. great guy just sounds like a garden gnome.
so why did you not secure the engine's petrol manifold,, its going to be swinging in the wind when the engine is running?,, odd's on it will shear off one of its tiny ports and then you will get petrol spraying every were under the engine hood!,, ,, and when that happens you wait for the big yellow flash of flame's, shortly followed by the bang!
Why did you want to change from the vro any particular reason?
To work on vro is about as simple as it can get. Try buying 1/4 inch hose clamps on eBay.
great video but please get rid of the rattle gun
one word. Milwaukee
How do I know if i need vro fuel pump or normal?
😂 you shouldn’t run out of fuel line for a while
what about a fuel filter
hI, If your fuel filter does not have a arrow and you cant remember which way it was installed, how is a person supposed to know how to install a in line filter? thanks. I have the 1989 120 hp johnson
What was the reason for the VRO Why now just do the gas/oil mixture
Its inconvenient, VRO mixes it for you.
No Fuel filter?
Inside the pump.
No filter before the pump?
the pump cover is a filter (screen)
You can add one within the motor, use the VRO's original, or add one in the fuel hose pre-bulb.
@@BrandonsGarage Was wondering the same thing.
nice job thanks where is the fuel filter
I canot believe people keeping asking this same question.. The fuel filter is in the new pump you put on, Duh
No fuel filter?
All this isn’t necessary all you gotta do is unhook oiler and plug it and plug it off at fuel pump
removing the vro pump assembly is a bone head move.
Why is it a bone head move?
You just go ahead and keep your complicated VRO and wait for engine failure.. It will fail..And it will ruin the engine. The warning system will likely not save you either..Anytime you can get rid of overcomplicated, expensive technology..The better off you are. Motors did without all this crap for a century.. And they were rock solid without it..
What a waste of money
how so?
Buying all those extra parts
Brandon's Garage in every crowd you got at least one