Why Michael Jordan & Isiah Thomas Really Hate Each Other... SUBSCRIBE: bit.ly/basketballdive SUBSCRIBE: bit.ly/basketballdive #isiahthomas #michaeljordan #nba
Lol MJ was a dirty player too, he often elbowed his opponents and knocked them down. He was also a infamous trash talker. I'm a Jordan fan but Jordan let his insecurities get the best of him.
Zeke's mouth pissed off more than just Michael! He and Magic were close until Magic tested positive for HIV! Zeke would accuse Magic of contracting aids from homosexuality and question whether Magic should continue playing in the NBA! That animosity continued for almost 30 years until Magic finally forgave Zeke in a televised reunion! Zeke also beefed with Larry Bird when teammate Dennis Rodman claimed Bird would be just another player if he was black! Zeke then publicly agreed with Rodman on TV and the media ran with the story! Detroit's basketbrawl approach to the game caused beefs with the entire NBA & zeke was the ringleader! Jordan was a fierce competitor but zeke and laimbeer were the only 2 Pistons he carries an animosity to the present day with! Depending on whom your favorite team was back then is where allegiance will stick with in terms of right and wrong, but that's my recollection!
Its not just magic, Adrian Dantley also dislikes Isaiah. isaiah didnt like AD on the pistons cause he was taking away attention from Zeke as the scoring leader and Isaiah wanted him gone. He got the team to trade him for his best friend Mark Aguire and AD was pissed at him. Isaiah as a history of snakish behavior.
My only problem about the " beef " is that now isiah is constantly asked questions about Michael jordan but when isiah answers he's constantly gets attacked with being called " obsessed " when he just answers the questions. They don't like each other ; That's it so of course asking questions about each other is going to not have a positive response
Thank you for understanding the situation people keep it going because it's something to keep him from getting the proper do that Isaiah does as the second greatest and the purest point guard to ever play. The only player better at his position is a total phenom and a freaking nature Magic
He is a grown ass married man. He is a lame. Mj doesnt respond to the questions. Be isnt intelligent enough to avoid and say move on? No. Because nobody is thinking about him and this is the only way he stays relevent.
Well if I was a basketball player on their level, and Isiah even though very talented ,did to me what he did to Jordan all those years,I would hate his ass too!
@@aarondigby5054 Doesn’t change the fact that Isiah was a DIRTY player.He knew he wasn’t talented enough to beat him fair and square so he resorted to dirty tactics.That only got him so far.But because of that,everyone in the league at the time despised him hence him being left off of the Dream team.Karma, it’s a very special thing.
I said aint nobody did nothing to Jordan.He didn't put a hand and nothing on Jordan.He just played good ball with jordan and jill and didn't know how to handle it.
It all truly goes back to when Bobby Knight coached Team USA MJ's rookie year. He called him the best player he ever seen. Knight had already coached Isiah at UI lol no one ever brings that up.
@@lamonthunt8711 They were the only team using the Jordan rules .The rules were to foul him as hard as possible when he drove to the basket. A lot of players that were on different teams that couldn't stand them because they played dirty ball. PS. All that dirty play from Thomas and Pistons came back to haunt him when they were assembling the Dream Team for the Olympics . His ex coach didn't want him on the team. Jordan said that he wouldn't play if Thomas was on the team. The rest of the Dream Team didn't like him either so they didn't wanna play with him. He still blames Jordan for him not being on that Olympic gold medal winning Dream Team .
People keep going back to th 85 all star game, but Jordan said at his HoF speech that he didn't see that. He said he didn't think he was frozen out of the game.
True story, though heard it 2nd hand from someone who played with Isaiah in HS. There was a home game against a rival, so things were very heated on the court and in the stands. Isaiah was the youngest brother of like 7 or 8 boys. He was always very well protected by his brothers. So during this game, fights broke out to point at least one of the brothers got directly involved in a fight and was ejected from the building. So things settle down, and they are ready to restart the game, except Isaiah tells Coach Pingatore he will not play unless his brother is allowed back into the building/gym. Lot of back and forth, but Isaiah got his way. Even with Indiana and Bob Knight, Isaiah initially had a lot of trouble with Knight until he eventually caved to him being in charge. But before that point, one of his brothers threatened to beat the crap out of Knight .. this one was a well documented incident. This is how he has always rolled.- .. always well protected and almost always got his way .. until Jordan took it all away, and now Isaiah is on a mission. Jordan is no saint by any means, but Isaiah is far more deceitful and never truly fought his won battles. He always had a lot of "help". Isaiah is still a top 5 PG ever ... right up there with Magic, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, and Chris Paul. Only ones clearly ahead of Isaiah are Magic, Oscar, and maybe Nash once he went to Suns. So not going to deny his talent. But Jordan was far classier and fought his own battles. Bottom line, despite the mutual grudge ... in the end, Jordan shook hand after every series the Bulls lost to Pistons. Isaiah, as usual, schemed behind the scenes to get others to do his dirty work ... he told everyone to walk off without shaking the Bulls hands. Only Dumars and Salley refused to listen to Isaiah. Again, this is how Isaiah has always rolled .. no matter what he did or Jordan did. It is Isaiah;s nature.
I also heard the version where Laimbeer suggested the idea. But make no mistake, this was Isaiah's team, and he would have had to bless it. Only Salley/Dumars (I believe) shook hands. So noting it was most of the team who walked off the court with time still on the clock right past the Bulls bench. So IMO. it had to be up to Isaiah to agree. Just no way he suddenly took a back seat to Laimbeer in something like that. It was his nature to do stuff like this and hide behind others.
As for Celtics walking off the court on Pistons ... I never followed it closely. but suffice it to say. those Pistons were universally hated .. nto because they were tough, but because they were dirty thugs. So your drawing a false equivalence in pointing out the Celtics walked off the court against the Pistons the prior year ... it says more about the Pistons than it does about Celtics.
@@lamonthunt8711 couple factors from what I have read about it. 1. The Celtics lost at Pistons and didn't want to get mobbed on the court as fans rushed the court with Pistons winning ECF for the first time. Contrast that with the Pistons losing at home to the Bulls ... zero risk of getting mobbed on the court. Further note, the Pistons left the court with time still on the clock. 2. The Pistons were thugs to everyone .. nobody liked them during the Bad Boys era, and for good reason ... they were dirty.
Isaiah Thomas is the only one who still talks about Jordan. Jordan has moved on with his life he's not thinking about Isaiah Thomas. This so-called beef is being kept up by Isaiah who's talking to anybody who will listen about that s***. Jordan made some remarks in the Last Dance documentary which was about 3 years ago and he is still talking about remarks that Jordan made in the documentary. let it go b****.
Why is it no one complains about Boston walking off the court when Detroit beat them in the playoffs in 1988 but it is totley wrong when Detroit did it in 1991.
@@KevinOtero-km2fhDetroit use to beat the socks off the Bulls, call them the Chicago Jordannaires, hahaha like they were female backup gospel singers, that was a rivalry.
Hè was having a bad all star game and they supposed to keep featuring him??? mj fans be realistic, mj just a mental case that felt privileged and got an attitude. This guy is full of shit
Yeah a lot of players on the DT didn’t like IT and Pip made it very clear he was one of them. Also, when Magic got HIV IT insinuated gay bs as to how he got HIV. That was effed up and I can understand the harsh words coming from Magic.
Ask any bardener in Vegas, they all hate Jorden. He'd sit there all day and never tip! I hate Jordon... even him saying that Curry is NOT a hall of famer... He's just a Punk!
Isiah Thomas deserved a place int The Dream Team. Here is why: 1. People say MJ and many other players does not want Isiah Thomas in the team because of Bad Boys way of playing. This does not make sense. Yes Isiah was a Pistons and the captain, but the strategy came from Chuck Daly. And mostly wasn't Isiah who give the beatings. On the contrary, opposing players beat Isiah Thomas because he was the smaller guy. Why we never heard "I am not playing if Chuck Daly is coaching"? Lakers, Boston, and other teams also played hard physically. Remember when Kurt Rambis was tackled dangerously by the Boston Celtics? Magic Johnson and Karl Malone elbowed Isiah Thomas on the face. 2. Walk away before time ends. Boston did that. Lakers fans just went into the court before the clock ended. 3. Thomas had 2 championship, back to back that time. Jordan, had 1 only at that time. 4. Why put that college guy in while not including Isiah. Whoever excluded Isiah Thomas, wasn't thinking for the best of the interest of US. Disclaimer, I am a long time Lakers fans since Magic-Kareem, hated the Bad Boys for beating Lakers. Put MJ as (one of) the best player of all time.
I became a basketball fan watching The bad boys. And one thing I remember very clearly was watching Michael Jordan have to step up his game in order to surpass the Detroit Pistons. If it wasn't for Isaiah Thomas, Michael Jordan may not have become a superstar. But instead, just been an average player. The bad boys played dirty and hard well getting under the skin of MJ. They were the reason the Chicago bulls elevated and became champions. The Pistons left them bloodied abused and laying on the floor many times. And it was a joy to watch two teams play such a hard game. They don't make basketball games like that anymore. The game today is soft.
Pistons were dirty! And NBA allowed them to flourish where they abused people physically in the name of defense.....and hilariously, when they got swept, they claimed advance age of their team...😂😂.....sore losers....they were young enough to physically abuse people but old enough to get swept....and that Bill Lamb...what an amazingly incompetent player...
They took a lot of cheap shots. In the documentary The Last Dance Dennis Rodman said they were trying to hurt jordan. Bill laimbeer took a cheap shot playing against Larry Bird one game and could have ended his career. Isaiah needs to get off all of these interviews and let that s*** go. Jordan is not going to apologize to him. On interviews crying talking about "he called me an a******". He and some of his teammates were assholes and sore losers.
Isiah leading the Pistons as they slinked off the court during the 91 Eastern Conference Finals cemented his legacy as a poor loser, sportsman and kept him off Dream Team. If MJ really held a grudge, then Rodman, Salley or other former Pistons would have never been his teammates on the Bulls. This is Isiah and Jordan haters attempt to rewrite history.
Romario and bebeto too have rifts but they make a good partner ship together buy scoring goal they live thier hate outside the field. And the became elite on the field
If Jordan did stop him from being on the Dream Team, I guess we could say that's Payback when Isaiah did Michael Jordan wrong in the All-Star Game. Maybe Jordan did maybe he didn't anything to do with Isaiah not being on the Dream Team but Isaiah wasn't liked by many he done a lot of people wrong but Isaiah have no memory of anything he done two others violent, dirty play
the answer is simple - isiah thought that he will be the next star to watch after bird and magic. but the arrival of MJ overshadowed him. oh, there's another answer - isisah is a native of chicago but everytime the bad boys pistons play the bulls at the united center, the crowd booed him and the bad boys.
It's the other way around, MJ admitted hating Isiah, and Isiah's been good to MJ but recently called him out because he didn't know MJ hated him till the last dance came out... MJ has been hating on Zeke for a long time.
Isiah's inferiority complex towards Jordan was not hidden when he was commentating on the game. When Jordan made a pretty good play, Izaiah said just “nice” to describe it, and the even caster said that nice was an understatement. 😂 and while commentating on The Last Shot, watching the replay, Isiah commented that Jordan pushed Russell with his left hand, which the referee didn't see, and that`s why its so difficult to guard him because he has all the tricks.🤣
It was the heat of actual competition. They played hard, and so what… why couldn’t they just be grown ass men, chop it up and squash whatever “beef” was going on. For some wild reason they made it personal. I was like 10 years old and that time and even I knew Isiah should’ve been on the team… his own COACH was!! So what’s that saying??
Good video. Isiah and the Pistons dominated Jordan and the Bulls in the 80s. The only players on the Dream Team with a better resume than Thomas at the time were Bird, Magic, Jordan and maybe Barkley. Isiah Should have been selected. However, he's probably gotten more attention for getting snubbed than if he'd have been selected.
Jordan was my favorite athlete growing up, Im not a fan of his character. The sad part about it is our own kind hate each for no reason they both are talented and supposed to be the role models of the youth!!!
Jordan mad about an All-Star game snubbing is some sucka stuff When you beat them in the playoffs that should be the end of it Why hold a grudge so that man can't get a gold medal
Isaiah Thomas messed himself.up when he lost to Jordan in 91 being the leader of that team he should have walked up to MJ23 and shook hands with him the pistons beat him 2 or 3 times in the playoffs MJ23 shook those guys hands Isaiah should have been bigger than that
Is it me or do they have former Michigan State head football coach, Mel Tucker, in this video, when the actual individual who initially confirmed the allegation that Isiah Thomas froze Michael Jordan out of his rookie NBA All-Star Game was Dr. Charles Tucker. The story goes that Dr. Charles Tucker, a psychological adviser to Isiah Thomas and Ervin “Magic” Johnson at that time, told reporters that Thomas and George “Iceman” Gervin denied Jordan the ball to teach him a lesson. Mel Tucker was born in 1972 and would have been approximately 15 years old at the time of the 1986 NBA All-Star Game.
Zeke retired at 32 so your excuse about him retiring due to "old age" wasn't it and is a low key huge down play on the rivalry and dominance MJ had over him.Sure,Zeek had his lil 3 years and 2 chips but Jordan not only got him back with a sweep but he also entirely bullied him out of the conference for the next 3 years giving the man no choice but to retire because the first 3 peat was just too much.2 3 peats,5mvps,6 finals mvps,10+ 82 games played,10 all team first team defense,former dpoy."AlOtTa"ppl dont think he's the goat he actually really is.
Are you Goofy Zeke dominated MJ. Head to head. Zeke didn’t retire because of old age. He retired because he broke his shooting hand. Then tore his Achilles which was the kiss of death back then. Jordan dominated after the Pistons were dismantled. He. even used some of the Pistons for that second run. Rodman, Salley and James Edwards.
@@danielbeverly2147 Are you goofier???The Pistons was nice but Zeke was never dominating Jordan with that lil 20 ppg stop it.Jordan bullied him out of the top spot in the east,Jordan bullied him out of Team USA,Jordan bullied him out of his own home town of Chicago,and then Jordan bullied him out of the league.Even Rodman switched sides in the end cuz he knew Jordan was the one. That achilles injury is cap cuz Dominique had the same exact injury and still came back to play at a ridculously high level til at least the age of 37.Just admit you hate jordan and call it a day
@@youngchris111 Zeke’s lil 20 points also came with double digit assists. That’s why all his teammates don’t hate him. That run came for MJ after Zeke got hurt and only played 48 games in 91. What about the three years in a row we sent MJ fishing.
@@danielbeverly2147 Bro nobody liked Zeke and that says a lot compared to MJ.Magic hated him,Bird hated,no one liked him.That's why Team USA chose Jordan over him.He's literally one of the dirtiest players of all time so your narrative about Zeke being this upstanding guy is fairytale nonsense.Zeke even has an assault case from a female during his coaching days which cost him his job in nyk so again you are entirely wrong and are monumentally reaching to a most laughable extent. As previously stated Zeke's lil 3 year stunt had nothing on Jordan's 2 3 peats.MJ is more popular than Zeke is in Zeke's own city of chicago.Stop it guy.Just say you hate mj and have a nice day
@@youngchris111 I said MJ is the Goat. But we are not going to rewrite history. My Pistons owned the Bulls in the regular season and playoffs. I think Zeke was 36 and 16 against the Bulls. Magic and Bird loved Zeke he even was in their locker rooms when they celebrated titles. The love stopped when he finally beat that ass. Pistons beat MJ, Bird, and Magic in the same playoffs. Facts. Jordan loved our style came and got Rodman out of bed with Carmen Electra now that’s thirsty. Barkley was his biggest cheerleader. He don’t even like MJ. Pippen was his right hand he don’t rock with Jordan. Only Oakley and you still kissing his ass.
We already know because he took his home town Chicago fans away. The dream team he did dat to himself. Dat man shook his hand every time they put da Bulls out but karma's a bitch .
Jordan got away with a lot of dirty play, because all he did was cry about the Bad Boys. Funny how Pippen always seemed to get a migraine when playing the Pistons!
For those of you that have made comments about Isaiah Thomas being jealous of MJ winning 6 rings in Chicago Isaiah's hometown Please remember that the beef started before MJ had a ring at all. Also remember that Isaiah Thomas has a winning record against MJ in regular season and the playoffs. Isaiah Thomas is one of the few if there are any players that went to Chicago and gave MJ and the Bulls the business. On a more personal level being that I'm from NC MJ is the most arrogant player to play in our state. He wouldn't even sign autographs for kids numerous times. As far as the dream team; everyone knew Isaiah Thomas was better than John Stockton. He even showed it after the team was chosen. Detroit played Utah after the team was selected and from the start to the finish of that game Isaiah Thomas looked so focused that everyone could tell he took things personal. 44 points later Isaiah and the Pistons beat Utah it was all over every sports news how Isaiah made Stockton look so bad. I'm grateful I got to watch the many battles between Isaiah Thomas and MJ. I remember all of those moments MJ walked off the court in disgust after losing to Isaiah and the Pistons. Especially the losses in Chicago. I'm also glad that I don't participate in the GOAT discussion. How can MJ be the GOAT when he has a losing record against Isaiah Thomas and Larry Bird. MJ never won a playoff series against Larry Bird. In my opinion MJ is one of the greatest of all time along with Magic, Bird, Dr J and many other greats.
all I know one started the beef and MJ ended it if Tomas hadnt started it karma woulndt have rebounded , Tomas just cant accept that his actions was his own fault , in the end who got taught what
Enough said, I was there. Isaiah push Michael to his limits and barly he could handle.He couldn't handle Isaiah. He was sneaky with the NBA Tops, Really he was like A snitch. Sometimes I saw it like he was jealous of Isaiah. Michael was a rookie as a Thomas was moving up.Michael didn't like that he wanted to be on top.That's why he hated Isaiah. Michael really had a bad attitude. Now he has a billionaire sewbad attitude, It paid off though.😊
Nobody talks bad on Zeke name but JORDAN and his YES MEN. JORDAN is two faced. He was smiling with Zeke but going to the media like they were enemies. Jordan is a Goat but he is Narcissistic.
Okay if you ask the coach of the dream team Thomas was not on the team because of him walking of court without shaking hand's wen the bull's beat the pistons if you remember that game
Let's get this straight. Jordan. Don't hate Isaiah. Isaiah hates Jordan because Jordan came to Chicago. Isaiah is a native of Chicago even though he played on the Detroit Pistons team. The Chicago fans still loved Isaiah because he went to college there and played. He grew up there so they loved him. But when Jordan came that was all over with and they were boasting and bragging about Jordan and not Isaiah in his hometown of Chicago. Even though he played for Detroit, he didn't like that and then there's that infamous college Olympic team game against the NBA stars. Yeah that just really done it right there that caused Isaiah Thomas to call the rest of the players to do a lockout on Michael Jordan. Even though they are all representing the east in the All-Star game, he convinced the other eastern stars to not pass. Michael Jordan the ball and he's on his team who hates who. Yeah get your facts right. Isaiah started that Isaiah is the one that walked off the court when the bulls pushed past them and didn't even want to shake Michael Jordan's hand. That wasn't Michael Jordan at the end of every game when the Pistons eliminated Chicago. Guess what. Michael Jordan shook all their hands spoke to them all of that they didn't show him the same respect. So again I say who hates who see this is what happens when you get people that make a page that didn't live through the event. They're only looking at what people is telling them and showing them. You have to beat and live through it to know what you're talking about. Other than that, stop making these pages with the wrong information. Get your fax straight
Screw mj i got IT10 greatest small point guard of the 1980s he grew up on the W/S of chiraq thats why he was tuff mj didnt win sht till magic bird and Isiah were gone
Jordan is jealous, in order to win a ring back then you have to beat the celtics and the lakers, Detroit almost had a threepeat, who can say that they beat bird, McHale, parrish, magic and Kareem with only zeke as the only HOF on the pistons
They keep their beef up because they both get a lot of mileage from the media because of it. This video is just one of many that lend credence to that opinion. I kind of guess they both would like to still , at least appear, to be relevant.
Much of your commentary is waaaay off..and not worthy of attention..first of all Thomas was not a dirty player..he was a pesky player ...he might grab your jersey, go at the ball aggressively but there is no footage anywhere of Thomas trying to hurt another player or doing the kind of stuff Bill Lambier, Rodman, Mchale, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone and many other players at that time were doing..Magic elbowed isiah in the throat in game 6 of the Finals in 1988 but nobody says Magic is a dirty player..McHale clothslined Rambis in 86 but nobody calls Mchale a dirty player....Rodman use to push Pippen around aggressively like he was a child, but the Bulls brought him on board in the 90's . Does anyone think that coach Chuck Daly had nothing to do with the Jordan rules and the physicalithy layed on Jordan by Rodman and Salley..but yet Chuck Daly was selected as coach of the Dream team but isiah wasn't selected as a player is a travesty to the highest degree .Isiah has never had a fight in the league with anyone his size... his fights were always against bigman who elbowed him when he penetrated the lane...example Bill Cartwright, Robert Parish and the cheap shot that nearly knocked him out and gave him 41 stitches over the eye from Karl Malone. Secondly the whole freezeout BS is exactly that BS...check the stats MJ had an off night he went 2 -9 ..(news alert MJ is not God ..he could have an off night) he took 9 shots ...more than anybody else on the team as a rookie with the exception of perrenial allstars Dr. J, Bird, Isiah, (who had the hot hand 9-14..and if you really play ball you would know that the hot hand is the guy who has the green light to shoot and Isiah was red hot and most of his teammates were not ...only Bird, Cummings and Isiah were the only 3 players on the team that shot over 50%) MJ went 2-9 which means he got the ball from Zeke more than Bernard King a pereenial allstar, Kevin Mcahale a perrenial allstar, Bill Lambier (Isiahs own teammate) and Moses Malone a perrenial allstar. Isiah was an allstar and played in allstar games with these guys for 3 years before MJ came into the league..so he was obviuosly more use to playing with them than a rookie. and made sure everybody got there touches including the rookie Jordan..but if you think he was soupposed to just give the ball to a rookie Jordan and ignore perrenial allstar teammates like Bird, Dr. J, Moses Malone, Mchale etc..just to please the rookie your a fool. Also remember the coach of the allstar team was none other than Celtic coach KC Jones..so most of the plays were drew up for Larry Bird which is why Bird took 16 shots (more than anybody else except Terry Cummings who got most of his shots off offensive rebounds..The notion that Isiah or any other player had enough clout to overrule the allstar coach and freeze out another player is absurd to anyone who really knows basketball...but nobody is blaming KC Jones for a so called MJ freezeout...because there was none..its just another way to try and demonize Isiah ...the freezeout was a big lie MJ made up to motivate himself ..he even admitted that himself. Do your research and check the facts instead of demonizing Isiah..because your just following what you heard other people say, with knowing the facts
Here's my full analysis between the (Bulls♦️ & Detroit ⬆️ I'd understood perfectly that (Chicago got their ass beaten then for 3 straight years 88,89,90 but that's because (Chicago didn't had such a great team those years. Because (Scottie pippen was a rockie and new to the NBA league. He's game didn't develope untill 1991 which also was the year that (Michael Jordan develope He's shooting ability. That's why they were able to sweep (Detroit ⬆️ that year. Because MJ and pippen change their game and became outside shooters. Which (Detroit didn't expect for MJ to create shots from shooting..but back in the 80's Jordan was attacking the boards and it allow the (Pistons to make a stop on the lower post. It makes sense now why (Chicago swept the Pistons ⬆️ in 1991 because MJ became a different player. That's what made him the best after that. Because all he needed to do is develope that jump shot. in which he did embarrassed the (Detroit that year of 1991...it's crazy how Detroit players didn't want to continue competing the following season of 1992. Because they realized that (Chicago team was different and had develope their shooting abilities. I just think that (Detroit gave up and didn't want to continue pursuing for competition. While MJ and the bull's kept a consistent winnings through the entire 1990'era
Mi opinion sobro Isah Thomas , y su comportamiento ese dia, Isaah Thomas, se comporto como una persona sin educacion, como lo que es, lo que pasó fue que jordan lo humillo, con ese barrion que el no esperaba, por eso atitud tan anti deportista, Isaah lució muy feo, el dio un mal ejemplo, deberia pedirle perdón, pero como no lo hizo, jordan. lo castigo, de esta manera si no me pide perdòn no va a los juego olimpico, y asi sucedio, jordan lo castigo de esa manera, jajaja.
Watch enough and the same thing , MJ lost in the 80”, you la fan boys good for you , MJ lost ❤❤❤ a lot he loses all the time 😂😂😂 gold gold that’s world champion
Half the Dream Team hated Isiah at the time. Having him on the team would've brought some negative energy. He was a dick., then cries about not getting an invite to the party.
Ugh. Jordan specifically said that if Isiah was on the team, he wouldn't be. He was RECORDED saying that on tape. The freeze out absolutely never happened. Just watch the game.
I’m here to clear the air and will say that for someone that haven’t seen the documentary on NBA TV the first time it aired but after it did you wouldn’t understand what I learned not from NBA TV but from CZcams videos was that it was exactly Bill Lambert that was the true enforcer on the court those days and not Isaiah as he was just following orders but the media won’t tell no one that smh the truth is there for those who are willing to explore what really happened and it’s just unfortunate that he was associated with him is why he didn’t make the the Olympic team but understood at the same time but IT was an amazing man and teammate.
I understood why Michael Jordan didn’t want him on his team because of the rivalry and everything it meant but I also understood why Isaiah did what he had to do I know IT and I know he’s very classy and one of the most classist guys in the league and I wouldn’t want to wear no one else’s jersey but I understand that sometimes some people are incompatible and that’s okay and that’s life both are great people and athletes and we the Americans should be thankful of both of these great men.
And nobody can say that they did all three in one year you can't hate all you want but they literally had Hall of Fame careers that whole team in 3 years why everybody else tried to catch up. Especially Jordans since he had to wait till the 90 before he could actually start winning. Everybody was either old or beat up. It was actually the other way around Jordan didn't even become a thought in the front of their mind until 87. In fact he never won a championship without Phil Jackson but nobody wants to talk about that 😂😂😂😂😂.
Bottom Line: Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Thomas GAVE TO HIM. The Facts: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF; Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 and James Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and 9 minutes in game 3; Bill Laimbeer only took 7 shots in game 1 and 2 shots in game 2 while Dumars only took 10 shots in game 1 and 10 shots in game 3. If you do that versus anybody YOU WILL LOSE! If the Pistons did this vs. Atlanta or Boston they would have LOST but they did this vs. Chicago in '91, a team they defeated 3 straight years and dominated from 1988-1990 with a 26-9 record, going for a 3-peat? Reverse: Michael Jordan takes 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF; Pippen takes just 7 shots in game 1 and 2 shots in game 2; Phil Jackson plays Grant 11 minutes in game 2 and 9 minutes in game 3 while Cartwright gets just 11 minutes in game 2... If the Bulls do this in 1991 vs. Detroit or even 1993 going for a 3-peat vs. NY, WOULD YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN?!!!??!!? This is what the Pistons did as a unit, they went out on their own terms their own way. The 3-guys that led the 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas. Detroit let Chicago win in 1991 and then walked off and then broke up that championship team: ON PURPOSE! Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Thomas gave to him.
Everything about Michael Jordan is overstated, and overrated! The Detroit Piston regularly beat the Bulls, while Jordan was winning scoring titles he couldn’t beat the Pistons. There is no reason to keep on hating someone for no reason. Magic Johnson publicly apologized to Isaiah Thomas for his snubbing of Isaiah Thomas. Fans Love to accept BS, because truth is too hard to handle. “LEBRON IS THE GOAT! LONG LIVE KING JAMES” “A BAD BOY FOR LIFE”.
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IT JEALOUS THAT GOAT MJ GOT 6 RINGS IN CHICAGO... HIS HOMETOWN.
IT crossed the line about Larry Bird saying hes only good cause hes white 😂😂😂😂😂
The Hick from French Lick !
I see why MJ refuses to play with Thomas on the first dream team
Isahia was a punk, a dirty player. MJ has his reasons for not liking him. I know I wouldn´t.
Lol MJ was a dirty player too, he often elbowed his opponents and knocked them down. He was also a infamous trash talker. I'm a Jordan fan but Jordan let his insecurities get the best of him.
Zeke's mouth pissed off more than just Michael! He and Magic were close until Magic tested positive for HIV! Zeke would accuse Magic of contracting aids from homosexuality and question whether Magic should continue playing in the NBA! That animosity continued for almost 30 years until Magic finally forgave Zeke in a televised reunion! Zeke also beefed with Larry Bird when teammate Dennis Rodman claimed Bird would be just another player if he was black! Zeke then publicly agreed with Rodman on TV and the media ran with the story! Detroit's basketbrawl approach to the game caused beefs with the entire NBA & zeke was the ringleader! Jordan was a fierce competitor but zeke and laimbeer were the only 2 Pistons he carries an animosity to the present day with! Depending on whom your favorite team was back then is where allegiance will stick with in terms of right and wrong, but that's my recollection!
Inquiring minds wanna know?
Its not just magic, Adrian Dantley also dislikes Isaiah. isaiah didnt like AD on the pistons cause he was taking away attention from Zeke as the scoring leader and Isaiah wanted him gone. He got the team to trade him for his best friend Mark Aguire and AD was pissed at him. Isaiah as a history of snakish behavior.
Great recollection.
My only problem about the " beef " is that now isiah is constantly asked questions about Michael jordan but when isiah answers he's constantly gets attacked with being called " obsessed " when he just answers the questions.
They don't like each other ; That's it so of course asking questions about each other is going to not have a positive response
Thank you for understanding the situation people keep it going because it's something to keep him from getting the proper do that Isaiah does as the second greatest and the purest point guard to ever play. The only player better at his position is a total phenom and a freaking nature Magic
He is a grown ass married man. He is a lame. Mj doesnt respond to the questions. Be isnt intelligent enough to avoid and say move on? No. Because nobody is thinking about him and this is the only way he stays relevent.
@@malnorfleet4925 No one from the 90s are a factor,they are only for history and strategy. 🤦💯
@@almoton108 not sure that makes much sense or is relevent to the point being made there, sport.
Wish Zeke wrist didn't get bad and he played at least 3 more years at best.
Well if I was a basketball player on their level, and Isiah even though very talented ,did to me what he did to Jordan all those years,I would hate his ass too!
ZEke and the Pistons beat zthe Bulls handily for six years, the Pisyins beat Bulls, Celtics and Lakers in route to two chips.
@@aarondigby5054 Doesn’t change the fact that Isiah was a DIRTY player.He knew he wasn’t talented enough to beat him fair and square so he resorted to dirty tactics.That only got him so far.But because of that,everyone in the league at the time despised him hence him being left off of the Dream team.Karma, it’s a very special thing.
I said aint nobody did nothing to Jordan.He didn't put a hand and nothing on Jordan.He just played good ball with jordan and jill and didn't know how to handle it.
Any Caucasian NBA players fight like this? Didn't think so.
Bird would fight in a heartbeat.@@LanierHale-oq3dr
Thomas deserves the snub! Am glad he did not get to be part of the dream team
What did you benefit from it
It all truly goes back to when Bobby Knight coached Team USA MJ's rookie year. He called him the best player he ever seen. Knight had already coached Isiah at UI lol no one ever brings that up.
Isiah just spoke on his years in Indiana playing for Bobby Knight.
JORDAN RULES!
Everyone had rules, it's called.watching game film.
JORDAN still rules!
@@stickmanbwThe Pistons watched game film and they still couldn't stop him without trying to injure him.
@@Jimmy-ik2kcwas Detroit the only team to wanna fuck up Jordan.
@@lamonthunt8711 They were the only team using the Jordan rules .The rules were to foul him as hard as possible when he drove to the basket. A lot of players that were on different teams that couldn't stand them because they played dirty ball. PS. All that dirty play from Thomas and Pistons came back to haunt him when they were assembling the Dream Team for the Olympics . His ex coach didn't want him on the team. Jordan said that he wouldn't play if Thomas was on the team. The rest of the Dream Team didn't like him either so they didn't wanna play with him. He still blames Jordan for him not being on that Olympic gold medal winning Dream Team .
Hell Mike won't patch things up with his ex best friend Charles. No way he and Isiah will patch it up.
Who cares? Isaiah doesn't burn as bright as Jordan's star---on any magnitude. Ask an astronomist.
“Hate is a strong word”
Didn’t stop Jordan from using it.
So!
So why pussy away from using a word and use it anyway?
Jealousy. It's that simple!
To correct you. Zeke never said He hated Jordan
Those Detroit Pistons..
Hmm.. Like in the old classic videogame ARCH RIVALS..
People keep going back to th 85 all star game, but Jordan said at his HoF speech that he didn't see that. He said he didn't think he was frozen out of the game.
i think michael hates isiah for his winning record against him. now you know Jordan uses hate as motivation
True story, though heard it 2nd hand from someone who played with Isaiah in HS. There was a home game against a rival, so things were very heated on the court and in the stands. Isaiah was the youngest brother of like 7 or 8 boys. He was always very well protected by his brothers. So during this game, fights broke out to point at least one of the brothers got directly involved in a fight and was ejected from the building. So things settle down, and they are ready to restart the game, except Isaiah tells Coach Pingatore he will not play unless his brother is allowed back into the building/gym. Lot of back and forth, but Isaiah got his way. Even with Indiana and Bob Knight, Isaiah initially had a lot of trouble with Knight until he eventually caved to him being in charge. But before that point, one of his brothers threatened to beat the crap out of Knight .. this one was a well documented incident.
This is how he has always rolled.- .. always well protected and almost always got his way .. until Jordan took it all away, and now Isaiah is on a mission. Jordan is no saint by any means, but Isaiah is far more deceitful and never truly fought his won battles. He always had a lot of "help".
Isaiah is still a top 5 PG ever ... right up there with Magic, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, and Chris Paul. Only ones clearly ahead of Isaiah are Magic, Oscar, and maybe Nash once he went to Suns. So not going to deny his talent. But Jordan was far classier and fought his own battles.
Bottom line, despite the mutual grudge ... in the end, Jordan shook hand after every series the Bulls lost to Pistons. Isaiah, as usual, schemed behind the scenes to get others to do his dirty work ... he told everyone to walk off without shaking the Bulls hands. Only Dumars and Salley refused to listen to Isaiah.
Again, this is how Isaiah has always rolled .. no matter what he did or Jordan did. It is Isaiah;s nature.
Laimbeer made that call to walk off the court.
I also heard the version where Laimbeer suggested the idea. But make no mistake, this was Isaiah's team, and he would have had to bless it. Only Salley/Dumars (I believe) shook hands. So noting it was most of the team who walked off the court with time still on the clock right past the Bulls bench.
So IMO. it had to be up to Isaiah to agree. Just no way he suddenly took a back seat to Laimbeer in something like that. It was his nature to do stuff like this and hide behind others.
@@johnkuehn582 what was Boston's excuse for walking off the court against Detroit?
As for Celtics walking off the court on Pistons ... I never followed it closely. but suffice it to say. those Pistons were universally hated .. nto because they were tough, but because they were dirty thugs. So your drawing a false equivalence in pointing out the Celtics walked off the court against the Pistons the prior year ... it says more about the Pistons than it does about Celtics.
@@lamonthunt8711 couple factors from what I have read about it.
1. The Celtics lost at Pistons and didn't want to get mobbed on the court as fans rushed the court with Pistons winning ECF for the first time. Contrast that with the Pistons losing at home to the Bulls ... zero risk of getting mobbed on the court. Further note, the Pistons left the court with time still on the clock.
2. The Pistons were thugs to everyone .. nobody liked them during the Bad Boys era, and for good reason ... they were dirty.
Isaiah Thomas is the only one who still talks about Jordan. Jordan has moved on with his life he's not thinking about Isaiah Thomas. This so-called beef is being kept up by Isaiah who's talking to anybody who will listen about that s***. Jordan made some remarks in the Last Dance documentary which was about 3 years ago and he is still talking about remarks that Jordan made in the documentary. let it go b****.
People tend to say Mike is from North Carolina he just played there he is from Brooklyn originally
He was born in Brooklyn but grew up in North Carolina.
@@dougbones7095Exactly.
That's right he was born right here in New York City. So technically he's a native New Yorker😂😭🤣😂 so ha!
Why is it no one complains about Boston walking off the court when Detroit beat them in the playoffs in 1988 but it is totley wrong when Detroit did it in 1991.
This looks like a one way hate fest if you ask me...
Yep. This guy an idiot. He don't know the facts
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Yep Jordan and his meat riding fans seem to hate Isiah
@@KevinOtero-km2fhDetroit use to beat the socks off the Bulls, call them the Chicago Jordannaires, hahaha like they were female backup gospel singers, that was a rivalry.
Hè was having a bad all star game and they supposed to keep featuring him??? mj fans be realistic, mj just a mental case that felt privileged and got an attitude. This guy is full of shit
The Bulls even took a few of the Pistons on their roster in the nineties: JohnSalley, JamesEdwards,DennisRodman,LarryParrish all ex-Pistons
Robert parrish
Benchwarmers that all they were didn't matter if they was on the team or not.
Ha ha! Needless to say Thomas. He would've been the last pick. @@speedter27
Michael Jordan was drafted in 1984 not 1985. He was 3rd in the draft.
MJ was drafted by the Bulls in 1984.
Yeah a lot of players on the DT didn’t like IT and Pip made it very clear he was one of them. Also, when Magic got HIV IT insinuated gay bs as to how he got HIV. That was effed up and I can understand the harsh words coming from Magic.
Why nobody else contracted hiv when all them were trapping the same groupie hookers, Magic got a couple of tranny tricks slipped on him.
Isiah Thomas is a great player and a diva.He was so jealous of MJ.Almost nobody want to play with him.Great player,bad personality.
Ask any bardener in Vegas, they all hate Jorden. He'd sit there all day and never tip!
I hate Jordon... even him saying that Curry is NOT a hall of famer... He's just a Punk!
MJ said many times he takes it personally. Isiah talks in innuendo.
Isiah Thomas deserved a place int The Dream Team.
Here is why:
1. People say MJ and many other players does not want Isiah Thomas in the team because of Bad Boys way of playing. This does not make sense. Yes Isiah was a Pistons and the captain, but the strategy came from Chuck Daly. And mostly wasn't Isiah who give the beatings. On the contrary, opposing players beat Isiah Thomas because he was the smaller guy. Why we never heard "I am not playing if Chuck Daly is coaching"? Lakers, Boston, and other teams also played hard physically. Remember when Kurt Rambis was tackled dangerously by the Boston Celtics? Magic Johnson and Karl Malone elbowed Isiah Thomas on the face.
2. Walk away before time ends. Boston did that. Lakers fans just went into the court before the clock ended.
3. Thomas had 2 championship, back to back that time. Jordan, had 1 only at that time.
4. Why put that college guy in while not including Isiah.
Whoever excluded Isiah Thomas, wasn't thinking for the best of the interest of US.
Disclaimer, I am a long time Lakers fans since Magic-Kareem, hated the Bad Boys for beating Lakers. Put MJ as (one of) the best player of all time.
I became a basketball fan watching The bad boys. And one thing I remember very clearly was watching Michael Jordan have to step up his game in order to surpass the Detroit Pistons. If it wasn't for Isaiah Thomas, Michael Jordan may not have become a superstar. But instead, just been an average player. The bad boys played dirty and hard well getting under the skin of MJ. They were the reason the Chicago bulls elevated and became champions. The Pistons left them bloodied abused and laying on the floor many times. And it was a joy to watch two teams play such a hard game. They don't make basketball games like that anymore. The game today is soft.
Today's game is soft as a witch's titty.
Agree they bullied mj
Pistons were dirty! And NBA allowed them to flourish where they abused people physically in the name of defense.....and hilariously, when they got swept, they claimed advance age of their team...😂😂.....sore losers....they were young enough to physically abuse people but old enough to get swept....and that Bill Lamb...what an amazingly incompetent player...
They took a lot of cheap shots. In the documentary The Last Dance Dennis Rodman said they were trying to hurt jordan. Bill laimbeer took a cheap shot playing against Larry Bird one game and could have ended his career. Isaiah needs to get off all of these interviews and let that s*** go. Jordan is not going to apologize to him. On interviews crying talking about "he called me an a******". He and some of his teammates were assholes and sore losers.
Growing up in Chicago at that time EVERYONE HATED them bad boys Pistons!!!!!
Uh, me thinks the feelings are mutual. In fact Jordan has made it very clear that he hates Thomas’s guts.
Isiah leading the Pistons as they slinked off the court during the 91 Eastern Conference Finals cemented his legacy as a poor loser, sportsman and kept him off Dream Team. If MJ really held a grudge, then Rodman, Salley or other former Pistons would have never been his teammates on the Bulls. This is Isiah and Jordan haters attempt to rewrite history.
Yeah, that ALL - STAR game did it....
Romario and bebeto too have rifts but they make a good partner ship together buy scoring goal they live thier hate outside the field. And the became elite on the field
Stop the hating of each other
If Jordan did stop him from being on the Dream Team, I guess we could say that's Payback when Isaiah did Michael Jordan wrong in the All-Star Game. Maybe Jordan did maybe he didn't anything to do with Isaiah not being on the Dream Team but Isaiah wasn't liked by many he done a lot of people wrong but Isaiah have no memory of anything he done two others violent, dirty play
the answer is simple - isiah thought that he will be the next star to watch after bird and magic. but the arrival of MJ overshadowed him. oh, there's another answer - isisah is a native of chicago but everytime the bad boys pistons play the bulls at the united center, the crowd booed him and the bad boys.
He still hates him because he didn't pass him the ball in 1985 😂
It's the other way around, MJ admitted hating Isiah, and Isiah's been good to MJ but recently called him out because he didn't know MJ hated him till the last dance came out... MJ has been hating on Zeke for a long time.
Isiah's inferiority complex towards Jordan was not hidden when he was commentating on the game. When Jordan made a pretty good play, Izaiah said just “nice” to describe it, and the even caster said that nice was an understatement. 😂
and while commentating on The Last Shot, watching the replay, Isiah commented that Jordan pushed Russell with his left hand, which the referee didn't see, and that`s why its so difficult to guard him because he has all the tricks.🤣
That All- star game was a lie, The west coast played Jordan hard.
Because Jordan was way better
It was the heat of actual competition. They played hard, and so what… why couldn’t they just be grown ass men, chop it up and squash whatever “beef” was going on. For some wild reason they made it personal. I was like 10 years old and that time and even I knew Isiah should’ve been on the team… his own COACH was!! So what’s that saying??
Good video. Isiah and the Pistons dominated Jordan and the Bulls in the 80s. The only players on the Dream Team with a better resume than Thomas at the time were Bird, Magic, Jordan and maybe Barkley. Isiah Should have been selected. However, he's probably gotten more attention for getting snubbed than if he'd have been selected.
GOAT MJ WAS RIGHT ON WHEN HE CALLED IT AN ASS ... RIGHT ON GOAT...
Jordan was my favorite athlete growing up, Im not a fan of his character. The sad part about it is our own kind hate each for no reason they both are talented and supposed to be the role models of the youth!!!
Jordan mad about an All-Star game snubbing is some sucka stuff
When you beat them in the playoffs that should be the end of it
Why hold a grudge so that man can't get a gold medal
i dont know them , but as a pack member I like Isiah better, because he was inclusive whileas MJ was exclusive.
Isaiah refuse to give Michael the ball in that All-Star game and I noticed that in real time. I was upset myself during the game
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Isiah Thomas is a Hypocrite plus two Faced that's very much Sneaky."
Isaiah Thomas messed himself.up when he lost to Jordan in 91 being the leader of that team he should have walked up to MJ23 and shook hands with him the pistons beat him 2 or 3 times in the playoffs MJ23 shook those guys hands Isaiah should have been bigger than that
Why would you show Mel Tucker when talking about a completely different person
Is it me or do they have former Michigan State head football coach, Mel Tucker, in this video, when the actual individual who initially confirmed the allegation that Isiah Thomas froze Michael Jordan out of his rookie NBA All-Star Game was Dr. Charles Tucker. The story goes that Dr. Charles Tucker, a psychological adviser to Isiah Thomas and Ervin “Magic” Johnson at that time, told reporters that Thomas and George “Iceman” Gervin denied Jordan the ball to teach him a lesson. Mel Tucker was born in 1972 and would have been approximately 15 years old at the time of the 1986 NBA All-Star Game.
Zeke retired at 32 so your excuse about him retiring due to "old age" wasn't it and is a low key huge down play on the rivalry and dominance MJ had over him.Sure,Zeek had his lil 3 years and 2 chips but Jordan not only got him back with a sweep but he also entirely bullied him out of the conference for the next 3 years giving the man no choice but to retire because the first 3 peat was just too much.2 3 peats,5mvps,6 finals mvps,10+ 82 games played,10 all team first team defense,former dpoy."AlOtTa"ppl dont think he's the goat he actually really is.
Are you Goofy Zeke dominated MJ. Head to head. Zeke didn’t retire because of old age. He retired because he broke his shooting hand. Then tore his Achilles which was the kiss of death back then. Jordan dominated after the Pistons were dismantled. He. even used some of the Pistons for that second run. Rodman, Salley and James Edwards.
@@danielbeverly2147 Are you goofier???The Pistons was nice but Zeke was never dominating Jordan with that lil 20 ppg stop it.Jordan bullied him out of the top spot in the east,Jordan bullied him out of Team USA,Jordan bullied him out of his own home town of Chicago,and then Jordan bullied him out of the league.Even Rodman switched sides in the end cuz he knew Jordan was the one.
That achilles injury is cap cuz Dominique had the same exact injury and still came back to play at a ridculously high level til at least the age of 37.Just admit you hate jordan and call it a day
@@youngchris111 Zeke’s lil 20 points also came with double digit assists. That’s why all his teammates don’t hate him. That run came for MJ after Zeke got hurt and only played 48 games in 91. What about the three years in a row we sent MJ fishing.
@@danielbeverly2147 Bro nobody liked Zeke and that says a lot compared to MJ.Magic hated him,Bird hated,no one liked him.That's why Team USA chose Jordan over him.He's literally one of the dirtiest players of all time so your narrative about Zeke being this upstanding guy is fairytale nonsense.Zeke even has an assault case from a female during his coaching days which cost him his job in nyk so again you are entirely wrong and are monumentally reaching to a most laughable extent.
As previously stated Zeke's lil 3 year stunt had nothing on Jordan's 2 3 peats.MJ is more popular than Zeke is in Zeke's own city of chicago.Stop it guy.Just say you hate mj and have a nice day
@@youngchris111 I said MJ is the Goat. But we are not going to rewrite history. My Pistons owned the Bulls in the regular season and playoffs. I think Zeke was 36 and 16 against the Bulls. Magic and Bird loved Zeke he even was in their locker rooms when they celebrated titles. The love stopped when he finally beat that ass. Pistons beat MJ, Bird, and Magic in the same playoffs. Facts. Jordan loved our style came and got Rodman out of bed with Carmen Electra now that’s thirsty. Barkley was his biggest cheerleader. He don’t even like MJ. Pippen was his right hand he don’t rock with Jordan. Only Oakley and you still kissing his ass.
We already know because he took his home town Chicago fans away. The dream team he did dat to himself. Dat man shook his hand every time they put da Bulls out but karma's a bitch .
They will make up in Heaven when there gone from this earth MJ and IT will forgive each other once there dead and gone 💯
4:39 2of9 that's why🤦🏾
Is the other way around, actually.
Isiah is good at lying!!
What did he lie about?
@@stickmanbw you clearly dont know shet about isiah thomas!! He is a low down dirty dog and a snake!!
Go do your homework lil homey!!
Jordan got away with a lot of dirty play, because all he did was cry about the Bad Boys. Funny how Pippen always seemed to get a migraine when playing the Pistons!
Thomas is a much better troll than you. Keep working on it.
Dirty play. Wtf basketball were you watching? Smdh.
For those of you that have made comments about Isaiah Thomas being jealous of MJ winning 6 rings in Chicago Isaiah's hometown
Please remember that the beef started before MJ had a ring at all. Also remember that Isaiah Thomas has a winning record against MJ in regular season and the playoffs. Isaiah Thomas is one of the few if there are any players that went to Chicago and gave MJ and the Bulls the business. On a more personal level being that I'm from NC MJ is the most arrogant player to play in our state. He wouldn't even sign autographs for kids numerous times. As far as the dream team; everyone knew Isaiah Thomas was better than John Stockton. He even showed it after the team was chosen. Detroit played Utah after the team was selected and from the start to the finish of that game Isaiah Thomas looked so focused that everyone could tell he took things personal. 44 points later Isaiah and the Pistons beat Utah it was all over every sports news how Isaiah made Stockton look so bad. I'm grateful I got to watch the many battles between Isaiah Thomas and MJ. I remember all of those moments MJ walked off the court in disgust after losing to Isaiah and the Pistons. Especially the losses in Chicago. I'm also glad that I don't participate in the GOAT discussion. How can MJ be the GOAT when he has a losing record against Isaiah Thomas and Larry Bird. MJ never won a playoff series against Larry Bird. In my opinion MJ is one of the greatest of all time along with Magic, Bird, Dr J and many other greats.
all I know one started the beef and MJ ended it if Tomas hadnt started it karma woulndt have rebounded , Tomas just cant accept that his actions was his own fault , in the end who got taught what
Mfers hate Zeke!!😂😂 He made Detroit a winner and will always be my Cuzzin for that😊😊
Enough said, I was there. Isaiah push Michael to his limits and barly he could handle.He couldn't handle Isaiah. He was sneaky with the NBA Tops, Really he was like A snitch. Sometimes I saw it like he was jealous of Isaiah. Michael was a rookie as a Thomas was moving up.Michael didn't like that he wanted to be on top.That's why he hated Isaiah. Michael really had a bad attitude. Now he has a billionaire sewbad attitude, It paid off though.😊
Nobody talks bad on Zeke name but JORDAN and his YES MEN. JORDAN is two faced. He was smiling with Zeke but going to the media like they were enemies. Jordan is a Goat but he is Narcissistic.
Isiah is a full of excuses and nobody calls him out for it!
Lol 😂
But your bird chest away tough guy. You haven't even hit puberty yet
Excuses for what?
@@stickmanbw Excuses on why the Bulls swept the Pistons in 91.....
@rellenomics101 lol there was no excuses, David Stern saved Jordans ass.
Okay if you ask the coach of the dream team Thomas was not on the team because of him walking of court without shaking hand's wen the bull's beat the pistons if you remember that game
Let's get this straight. Jordan. Don't hate Isaiah. Isaiah hates Jordan because Jordan came to Chicago. Isaiah is a native of Chicago even though he played on the Detroit Pistons team. The Chicago fans still loved Isaiah because he went to college there and played. He grew up there so they loved him. But when Jordan came that was all over with and they were boasting and bragging about Jordan and not Isaiah in his hometown of Chicago. Even though he played for Detroit, he didn't like that and then there's that infamous college Olympic team game against the NBA stars. Yeah that just really done it right there that caused Isaiah Thomas to call the rest of the players to do a lockout on Michael Jordan. Even though they are all representing the east in the All-Star game, he convinced the other eastern stars to not pass. Michael Jordan the ball and he's on his team who hates who. Yeah get your facts right. Isaiah started that Isaiah is the one that walked off the court when the bulls pushed past them and didn't even want to shake Michael Jordan's hand. That wasn't Michael Jordan at the end of every game when the Pistons eliminated Chicago. Guess what. Michael Jordan shook all their hands spoke to them all of that they didn't show him the same respect. So again I say who hates who see this is what happens when you get people that make a page that didn't live through the event. They're only looking at what people is telling them and showing them. You have to beat and live through it to know what you're talking about. Other than that, stop making these pages with the wrong information. Get your fax straight
Screw mj i got IT10 greatest small point guard of the 1980s he grew up on the W/S of chiraq thats why he was tuff mj didnt win sht till magic bird and Isiah were gone
Isiah set your old ass down!! Forgive and move on! Your actions are like 3:43 Scottie Pippen.I guarantee MJ isn't loosing no sleep over you 2 idiots 😢
Jordan is jealous, in order to win a ring back then you have to beat the celtics and the lakers, Detroit almost had a threepeat, who can say that they beat bird, McHale, parrish, magic and Kareem with only zeke as the only HOF on the pistons
And Rodman who's in the HOF
Show me the stat for "almost." You're a comedian and a straw man BS artist.
Dumars and Rodman in the HOF… But, the Pistons are the only team to beat Bird, Magic, Kareem and Jordan
Zeke should’ve been on the Dream Team on merit, his maybe the best small point guard ever, double clutch
I'm a Curry fan and NOBODY eclipses Magic. Isaiah could never be better than Magic.
, No I was there you just talking to trash you talking that chicago bulls mess, All that mess from Jordan, all of that mess came from Jordan. L
They keep their beef up because they both get a lot of mileage from the media because of it. This video is just one of many that lend credence to that opinion. I kind of guess they both would like to still , at least appear, to be relevant.
Who is "they"? There is only one person constantly running their mouths.
Isiah who?
Thomas is Gay
Much of your commentary is waaaay off..and not worthy of attention..first of all Thomas was not a dirty player..he was a pesky player ...he might grab your jersey, go at the ball aggressively but there is no footage anywhere of Thomas trying to hurt another player or doing the kind of stuff Bill Lambier, Rodman, Mchale, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone and many other players at that time were doing..Magic elbowed isiah in the throat in game 6 of the Finals in 1988 but nobody says Magic is a dirty player..McHale clothslined Rambis in 86 but nobody calls Mchale a dirty player....Rodman use to push Pippen around aggressively like he was a child, but the Bulls brought him on board in the 90's . Does anyone think that coach Chuck Daly had nothing to do with the Jordan rules and the physicalithy layed on Jordan by Rodman and Salley..but yet Chuck Daly was selected as coach of the Dream team but isiah wasn't selected as a player is a travesty to the highest degree .Isiah has never had a fight in the league with anyone his size... his fights were always against bigman who elbowed him when he penetrated the lane...example Bill Cartwright, Robert Parish and the cheap shot that nearly knocked him out and gave him 41 stitches over the eye from Karl Malone. Secondly the whole freezeout BS is exactly that BS...check the stats MJ had an off night he went 2 -9 ..(news alert MJ is not God ..he could have an off night) he took 9 shots ...more than anybody else on the team as a rookie with the exception of perrenial allstars Dr. J, Bird, Isiah, (who had the hot hand 9-14..and if you really play ball you would know that the hot hand is the guy who has the green light to shoot and Isiah was red hot and most of his teammates were not ...only Bird, Cummings and Isiah were the only 3 players on the team that shot over 50%) MJ went 2-9 which means he got the ball from Zeke more than Bernard King a pereenial allstar, Kevin Mcahale a perrenial allstar, Bill Lambier (Isiahs own teammate) and Moses Malone a perrenial allstar. Isiah was an allstar and played in allstar games with these guys for 3 years before MJ came into the league..so he was obviuosly more use to playing with them than a rookie. and made sure everybody got there touches including the rookie Jordan..but if you think he was soupposed to just give the ball to a rookie Jordan and ignore perrenial allstar teammates like Bird, Dr. J, Moses Malone, Mchale etc..just to please the rookie your a fool. Also remember the coach of the allstar team was none other than Celtic coach KC Jones..so most of the plays were drew up for Larry Bird which is why Bird took 16 shots (more than anybody else except Terry Cummings who got most of his shots off offensive rebounds..The notion that Isiah or any other player had enough clout to overrule the allstar coach and freeze out another player is absurd to anyone who really knows basketball...but nobody is blaming KC Jones for a so called MJ freezeout...because there was none..its just another way to try and demonize Isiah ...the freezeout was a big lie MJ made up to motivate himself ..he even admitted that himself. Do your research and check the facts instead of demonizing Isiah..because your just following what you heard other people say, with knowing the facts
Here's my full analysis between the (Bulls♦️ & Detroit ⬆️ I'd understood perfectly that (Chicago got their ass beaten then for 3 straight years 88,89,90 but that's because (Chicago didn't had such a great team those years. Because (Scottie pippen was a rockie and new to the NBA league. He's game didn't develope untill 1991 which also was the year that (Michael Jordan develope He's shooting ability. That's why they were able to sweep (Detroit ⬆️ that year. Because MJ and pippen change their game and became outside shooters. Which (Detroit didn't expect for MJ to create shots from shooting..but back in the 80's Jordan was attacking the boards and it allow the (Pistons to make a stop on the lower post. It makes sense now why (Chicago swept the Pistons ⬆️ in 1991 because MJ became a different player. That's what made him the best after that. Because all he needed to do is develope that jump shot. in which he did embarrassed the (Detroit that year of 1991...it's crazy how Detroit players didn't want to continue competing the following season of 1992. Because they realized that (Chicago team was different and had develope their shooting abilities. I just think that (Detroit gave up and didn't want to continue pursuing for competition. While MJ and the bull's kept a consistent winnings through the entire 1990'era
Jordan lies just like Trump.😢
Mi opinion sobro Isah Thomas , y su comportamiento ese dia, Isaah Thomas, se comporto como una persona sin educacion, como lo que es, lo que pasó fue que jordan lo humillo, con ese barrion que el no esperaba, por eso atitud tan anti deportista, Isaah lució muy feo, el dio un mal ejemplo, deberia pedirle perdón, pero como no lo hizo, jordan. lo castigo, de esta manera si no me pide perdòn no va a los juego olimpico, y asi sucedio, jordan lo castigo de esa manera, jajaja.
Watch enough and the same thing , MJ lost in the 80”, you la fan boys good for you , MJ lost ❤❤❤ a lot he loses all the time 😂😂😂 gold gold that’s world champion
Isiah is the only player in the NBA who actually stopped Jordan..... that's why he hates the Pistons....Isiah got the best of him in their rivalry
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Half the Dream Team hated Isiah at the time. Having him on the team would've brought some negative energy. He was a dick., then cries about not getting an invite to the party.
Ugh. Jordan specifically said that if Isiah was on the team, he wouldn't be. He was RECORDED saying that on tape. The freeze out absolutely never happened. Just watch the game.
I’m here to clear the air and will say that for someone that haven’t seen the documentary on NBA TV the first time it aired but after it did you wouldn’t understand what I learned not from NBA TV but from CZcams videos was that it was exactly Bill Lambert that was the true enforcer on the court those days and not Isaiah as he was just following orders but the media won’t tell no one that smh the truth is there for those who are willing to explore what really happened and it’s just unfortunate that he was associated with him is why he didn’t make the the Olympic team but understood at the same time but IT was an amazing man and teammate.
I understood why Michael Jordan didn’t want him on his team because of the rivalry and everything it meant but I also understood why Isaiah did what he had to do I know IT and I know he’s very classy and one of the most classist guys in the league and I wouldn’t want to wear no one else’s jersey but I understand that sometimes some people are incompatible and that’s okay and that’s life both are great people and athletes and we the Americans should be thankful of both of these great men.
Young and dumb don't know nothing.Just hear talk and repeat it.
Isaiah was team leader but didn't call the plays. That's something a coach would do.
Like say maybe .....Chuck Daly. Didn't he go to the Olympics?
Poor Mikey didn’t get his handshake. What a baby.
Because Thomas always started fights,or get his team to start the fights
Man, what is you talking about? You don't even know what you're talking about.Be quiet.😮😅😂
Isiah likes to brag how he beat Magic, Bird, and Jordan… Congratulations IT and all three of them have more rings and Final appearances than you.
Isiah beat Goku beerus and Lord Frieza
FACTS. Magic 5. Bird 3. Jordan 6.
They also had multiple hall of famers
And nobody can say that they did all three in one year you can't hate all you want but they literally had Hall of Fame careers that whole team in 3 years why everybody else tried to catch up. Especially Jordans since he had to wait till the 90 before he could actually start winning. Everybody was either old or beat up. It was actually the other way around Jordan didn't even become a thought in the front of their mind until 87. In fact he never won a championship without Phil Jackson but nobody wants to talk about that 😂😂😂😂😂.
You guys responding acts like Zeke was a bum, Zeke held his own against those guys, Zeke was on those guys level foreshore, Zeke was a winner.
Isiah Thomas > MJ
Why Isiah over MJ?
@@BasketballDive Isiah didn’t need hall of famers to win. MJ did 🤷♀️.
@@justineebourgeois3420 MJ won his first 3peat with one other HOF! Isiah won his two overall rings with 2 Hof(Dumas and Rodman). Stop the 🧢
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@@rellenomics101dont argue with that bozo!! He is lookin for attention!!
Because Isiah made him cry!!!
Bottom Line: Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Thomas GAVE TO HIM.
The Facts: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF; Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 and James Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and 9 minutes in game 3; Bill Laimbeer only took 7 shots in game 1 and 2 shots in game 2 while Dumars only took 10 shots in game 1 and 10 shots in game 3. If you do that versus anybody YOU WILL LOSE! If the Pistons did this vs. Atlanta or Boston they would have LOST but they did this vs. Chicago in '91, a team they defeated 3 straight years and dominated from 1988-1990 with a 26-9 record, going for a 3-peat?
Reverse: Michael Jordan takes 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF; Pippen takes just 7 shots in game 1 and 2 shots in game 2; Phil Jackson plays Grant 11 minutes in game 2 and 9 minutes in game 3 while Cartwright gets just 11 minutes in game 2... If the Bulls do this in 1991 vs. Detroit or even 1993 going for a 3-peat vs. NY, WOULD YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO WIN?!!!??!!?
This is what the Pistons did as a unit, they went out on their own terms their own way. The 3-guys that led the 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas. Detroit let Chicago win in 1991 and then walked off and then broke up that championship team: ON PURPOSE!
Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Thomas gave to him.
Everything about Michael Jordan is overstated, and overrated! The Detroit Piston regularly beat the Bulls, while Jordan was winning scoring titles he couldn’t beat the Pistons. There is no reason to keep on hating someone for no reason. Magic Johnson publicly apologized to Isaiah Thomas for his snubbing of Isaiah Thomas. Fans Love to accept BS, because truth is too hard to handle. “LEBRON IS THE GOAT! LONG LIVE KING JAMES”
“A BAD BOY FOR LIFE”.
Thomas deserves the snub! Am glad he did not get to be part of the dream team