Revisiting Tekken Tag Tournament 1 and 2
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2024
- Tag fighting games are like peanut butter and jelly or alcohol and driving on the highway, in that they combine two cool things and jam them together to create something even better.
Tekken has always been known for its 1-on-1 battle format, but there are two games in the series that increase the number of fighters to create 4-character battles!
Released for the PS2 and PS3 respectively, Tekken Tag Tournament (and TTT2) are classics in the eyes of fighting game fans, and while this subseries has lead the main Tekken series through some bright (and dark) days, they're still excellent games.
For this video, I wanted to cover both games in detail to discover how they were made, how they played, and how they were received when they were finally released. - Hry
It's a shame TT2 did really bad in sales. It was basically a love letter to us fans and I loved the game.
They should release it on PC with rollback and it will have a HUGE resurgence. They can go for a TTT3, but even TTT2 as is would find new life on PC today thanks to the hype of T7 and 8.
It was MEH at best, tekken tag 1 was just way better
@@Vespyr_They could have released it on ps4 and xbox one and pc before Tekken 7 I think it would've sell so good and Tekken 7 would have high budget
Part of their financial losses were from Tekken Federation website. They sunk tons of money into it and had to shut it down after 6 months bc it was just too expensive to maintain unfortunately
It was because of timing
It would be nice to see a Tekken tag 3 in the future. Imagine having Tag with the Tekken 8 base, a return to the spinoff side of the franchise can be a great idea
Sorry but I don't agree one awesome game at a time
I think Tekken x Street Fighter, if it ever comes out, will have a similar tag-team format.
I would buy a ps6 JUST for tt3.
I don’t think there will be a Tag3 because now Tekken is too invested in both the competitive play and milking out one game for possibly even 8 years with DLC.
Tag might be an extra feature within 8 at some point though.
@@epicon6 Having a tag mode would be insane!!!
Pair play in Tekken Tag 2 is the most fun I have had in a Tekken. So many fun nights with friends.
You mean 4 controllers?
I had a PS2 at EU launch. Tekken tag 1 will always hold a special place in my heart.
Tekken tag 2 is the most fun I've ever had getting a platinum in any game. So much so just the other week I went and got 1000g on the 360 version. All tag 2 needed imo was a decent tutorial. The game was daunting to a casual or newcomer.
TTT2 came out at a time when the fighting game market was oversaturated. You had Soul Calibur 5, Dead or Alive 5, Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown, SFxTekken, BlazBlue, ultimate mvc3, the list goes on. It also came out before the Xbox one and ps4 were about to release. It was a strange time in gaming. Fun game and I wish it had more of an impact. I love revisiting it for time to time on the series x
If it had been a launch title for the PS4 and Xbox One like Tag 1 was for the PS2, I think Tag 2 would've been way more successful.
@@MattTheHuman9 agreed!
Also at a time when graphics were the worst because most games were like 720p
@@MattTheHuman9Ong, but then it got ported to the one console notable for NOT having Tekken, and with exclusive stuff at that.
@@epicon6tag 2 came out looking great though, much better than Tekken 7
Freshman year in college tekken tag 1 came out. Lucky me i had a dorm roommate who also loved fighting games! We couldnt get enough of tekken tag. Those were the days!
It is incredibly annoying to me that TTT2 didn’t sell as well as expected because real fans of the series, especially long term fans, really got their money’s worth, it was such an incredible love letter to us, it’s played fantastically, so well that I didn’t even know competitive players has issues until years after release. It was always meant to be a game to be played just for fun I think
Absolutely true, it's the best Tekken ever, ever, ever.
Ayo is that my boi Kuznite
TTT2 will always be my favourite! ❤
Never had that much in any other Tekken! 👌🏼
That’s still one of my top favorites 🔥🔥
As a casual player I loved TT2. It still has the best customization out of any Tekken game.
World Tekken Federation was absolutely ahead of its time. I remember being able to access my profile online and seeing all my match data, and a breakdown of my playstyle, right down to which attacks I liked to use the most.
The problem with WTF was, replays were tied to the WTF servers. So when WTF shut down, you could no long view or save replays. AT ALL.
I made so many friends on WTF too, you’re right, definitely ahead of it’s time!
You can totally still save replay on ps3
I remember playing Tag2 on the WiiU as a kid and having an blast with it.
So many hours spent on that game. Easily one of my favorite Tekken games ever.
2 months????? That's mental.
Tekken Tag 1 just hits so close to home, very nostalgic. Easily one of the high points of the series, in terms of OST and aesthetics. Tekken Tag 2 also hits pretty nostalgic. Both are superb entries in the series.
Which one do you like better?
I'm glad that Tekken 7 made a comeback so Tekken 8 is a high budget really and being the best game since 3.
bro the whole summer of 2013 i had all of my cousins and neighbors buying tag 2 and practicing so we’d have the greatest pair play sets known to man 😂😂 i will always love the tag tekken games for that alone
If Namco can somehow build a Tag mode into Tekken 8 rather than have a full tag 3 (as much as I'd love to see every character in one ridiculously huge game) and made it reminiscent of Tag 1 then that would be the best way to go. Especially if they gave us a legacy collection of the arcade originals in Tekken 8 as DLC. (Or its own standalone remastered collection)
To this day there is no other fighting game that has the features of TT1 or TT2, specially when it comes to the tag combos. I' am desperately waiting for TT3 and its new larger roster.
TTT2 is still active online
TTT1 is my favourite Tekken game beside Tekken 2🥰
I was so happy to finally TTT2 released, it was also one of my favourite Tekken game!!
The arcade version of Tag 1 is better imo. I'm a og player who grew up going to arcades as a kid in the 90s and early 00s so that might be before your time
@@homeoftek5844 how is better?
@@homeoftek5844 I originally played TTT arcade than I was surprised that it wasn't on ps1, it seemed to good on ps2. Many years later I realized that there are 2 differnt versions of TTT
@@noctsickversus9632 the console version feels too boogie while the arcade version felt exciting
@@homeoftek5844 play tekken hybrid or rather tekken tag tournament hd
Unknown is such a cool character Jun kazama is a whole is so purity ❤
Tekken Tag 1 was one of the first games i remember playing on the ps2. Thanks for making this vid!! really happy to see alot of love for the tag series
These 2 games (3 counting the og version of tag1) are so beautiful on the hardware they run on. Some of the best fan service games I've played.
4 counting tekken tag HD and 5 counting tag 2 on nintendo
Hehe also on 12:27 Nina has Chun Li's stance
Tag 1 is still my Number 1 favourite Tekken to this day
One detail that gets overlooked by some many content creators regarding TTT1. He managed to mention Netsu but doesn't mention how Tag Juggles deplete the healing (red) bar of the opponent. He mentions this for TTT2 but this was a thing with TTT1 as well.
I miss tekken tag 2 that was the best game 💯
12:33 This was around the time when Harada was testing out SF characters in Tekken. If you look closely Nina is in Chun Li's stance. Right after this we got Akuma.
Tekken Tag 2 was quite paradoxical in a sense. It was almost like a celebration of Tekken to all its fans but at the same time a lot of their fans were competitive players who were turned off by its stressful gameplay.
I'll always love Tag. Amazing games.
I loved Tekken Tag Tournamnet 1 for literally everything but mainly Devil Kazuya and how I could transform into him.
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 funny enough gave me all the love back with Kazuya 🤩🙏😌 it was good times wasting a lot of blood, sweat, and tears in it.
I don't think we'll ever see a Tekken Tag game again, but it would be cool if they'd bring a Tag-like mode to Tekken 8. Considering we're living in the era of the GAAS model and ~6 year dev cycles with really silly budgets, I think they need to make subsequent seasons in Tekken a bit more exciting than what they were in 7. You don't get casuals back into your game with just drip-feeding new and returning characters and making minute balance changes.
Fellow Mishima player. You love to see it.
Tag 2 is too underrated
After I stopped playing Tekken after 3, I came back to it with TTT2 and I loved it!
Tekken Tag 1 had the most fire soundtrack
Tekken was so much better before juggling, less is more sometimes. Simpler times
Ganryu need to dream his fantasy again so we can get Tekken Tag Tournament 3.
You forgot to mention Tag 1 has a godly soundtrack
Its sad. TTT1 was my first exposure to Tekken and i was so hyped for TTT2 release and all the suplementary content like the bv movie and 3ds game. I sadly never undertsood why the game flopped and why people hated it, especially since i was like 10 back then
I think it just wasn't made for casual but Experienced Tekken Players
@@hurricane7727Competitive players hated it because there were a ton of op characters + tods lol
This was a really good video.
The analysis on throw breaks is slightly off. Throws come out at about 13 frames (from startup to the grab start) and then another 14 frame break window before the damage starts.
Its still hard to react to (t8 has the 13 frame startup and a 20 frame break window) but its not below the 20 frames total that most people consider reactable in fighting games.
tekken tag was the first "Experimental" tekken game to release on the console that holds the MOST Experimental game titles (it was a 2000 ps2 Launch title).offering the first tekken to have "tekken theater" (which opened the door for the 2nd tag to start one of my FAVORITE modes "tekken tunes/jukebox" to add music from older games to every stage).
Hope we get a Tag 3 after Tekken 9
Before 9 preferably…
@@BedTimeZzz they always make a Tekken Tag game after every trilogy, Tag 1 came out after the first three games, Tag 2 came out after Tekkens 4, 5 and 6 so it would only make sense for Tag 3 to come out after an eventual Tekken 9
if i'm correct with the releases, next game probably gonna be a Tag 3 and not 9, considering they want to push the mechanic and engine to the upper limit
or MAYBE they probably will add 2 v 2 mode on T8 in the future just because Yohei Shimbori (DoA ex-Director) now working T8
You’re wrong. It went Tekken 1,2,3, Tekken tag 1.
Then Tekken 4,5,6. Then Tekken tag 2
So next will be Tekken 7,8,9…….then Tekken tag AFTER
Tekken Tag 1 feels better for me
You'd be wrong
TTT2 I think was underrated I enjoy playing it on Xbox Series X!! It looks great and I love the jukebox on that too
Also TTT1 a classic! I brought the HD remaster and although stunning I actually sold it, I prefer the ps2 classic version, the unlocking characters classic way is the seller, yes the graphics are updated but also ( I thought the ai was a little screwed ) so ps2 version all day
As for the possible of TTT3 I’m not sure if we will ever get it? It sort of cheapens the series if they did, you wouldn’t want to go back to T8 in a sense… should be interesting if they add it as a mode
Tekken tag wil always be the best ones idgaf what anyone says
I bought the big game instructions book for Tekken Tag without possessing the game, I was a fanatic 😂
they should make TT3 with some new feature and less damage and they should release all tekken series games in PC and add a play online feature
Tekken tag tournament 2 had best customization in the entire franchise. Its a shame tekken 8 customization is so limited.
Hopefully we can buy some propellers soon 🫠
Man, sucks I never got to play any of these. Hoping after Tekken 8 is Tag 3
Tag 1 is on the Ps2 and Tekken Tag 2 and Tekken Hybrid are on the Ps3
The thing is TTT was made for casual gamers. Short combos, simple gameplay mechanics while TTT2 was clearly made for the competetive scene.
It's the most frustrating and most complex Tekken ever. No fun to play at all if you don't invest tons of time in it and train like a pro. Also the presentation was a little bit too anime-esq and chaotic.
Tekken Tag Tournament was a Older game with less moves available for all Characters( The Characters got more moves in Later Tekkens).
@@hurricane7727 I know but a bigger moveset didn't make the games more fun.
@@DerHalbeEuro I would say Ttt1 got harder on Ultra Hard
You're right.
Quite funny you say that mainly because even if you just, straight removed online, you get a lot out of the game than a lot of other tekken games for casuals.
Like, you could just play single player/ only playing with one character/ play with 4 people if you just wanted to jump into a fight. The ai is pretty dumbed down and while they could do tag combos, are no where near as damaging as it could be. This isn't like DR where they really pushed you to learn the game, you can just spam and still do well.
There's an arcade ladder with endings for almost every single character, so you're almost guaranteed to either see their personality in action or a fun video as a reward
Ghost battles giving you a bunch of different matches and can decide what you want to fight and has a reward mechanic to encourage fights
The customisation is incredibly varied where, while it slightly dumbed down the customisation compared to 6, instead gave you ways to add more decal to the options you did have.
Like, it's super complex sure, but even playing and watching people play with no knowledge on fundamentals, you can still have a really good time.
Edit: Forgot to mention, you might as well say that for Tekken 7 and 8. It is centred around competitive more than even Tag 2, with how much they have patched 7 and introduced frame data into the game as opposed to just not implementing it. Yet now 8 is the best selling modern Tekken game if you don't count 3.
It's fair if you didn't like it, but again the arguments made are pretty bs X3
I forgot how 🔥 Lee’s biker alt was in TT1
I prefer the arcade version over the console version of tekken tag1 plus the unknown stage has a better theme in the arcade version
Tt2 was my ish I even had tekkan bowl unlocked that was fun in itself
Man i really want tag tournament 2 to come to Steam
Clavicle connects to the duodenum 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that is some crazy anatomy
TTT3 wouldn't fail in sales considering how fucking huge Tekken has become in all levels of fighting game fandom. Just a shame they'll probably never care enough to do it. Yea I know the roster size is a nightmare for tournament players but as a huge Tekken nerd and tournament player I honestly don't mind it. Not every fighting game needs to be made purely for competitive play, I wish more fanservice and spin-off releases were welcomed.
Even tho I like the new way of how Tekken is going with 8 but I would love if from now on if we got spin off titles that were older Tekken like Tekken 5-6 era so that’s what I would do for Tekken tag 3
2:52 Bit of a slight error:
While Tekken 5 and Time Crisis 4 did run on the System 256, Tekken 4 actually ran on its predecessor, the System 246, with both boards themselves being based on the PlayStation 2 hardware. Other games that were released for the System 246 include Bloody Roar 3, SoulCalibur II and Capcom Fighting Evolution.
Nice
Never knew tag 1 looked better in the home release.
Trying to figure out what made then change the tone so dramactically after TK 4
The models in Tekken 6 and Tag 2 are detailed but look clunky when in motion
Tag 3 would be a good idea , just gotta keep life points like DOA, but that’s just me
I would personally prefer TTT3 over Tekken 8. In TTT2 there was tons of customization options. I used to play as Lee & Violet as duo with same clothes and everything 😂
I wish we got a PS2 verison of Tekken 3 the art was perfect
That was Tag Tournament. It had Tekken 3 stages and characters with Better Graphics
@@hurricane7727 I used to feel this way too but Tekken 3 had a different art direction. Better than Tag's dark look.
great video but too bad you didnt touch the music portion of the games :(
I think if they want to avoid the oversaturation problem but still make another tag game, they could do 1 of 2 things:
A.) Do a "Tekken Tag Legacy" game where it's the same roster as TTT1 but with the new heat system. Then they could add some newer fan favorite characters to the roster as DLC. It'll be nostalgic and you'd get less complaints about characters not making the cut because it's based on the og tag game.
B.) Add the tag mechanic as a separate game mode in Tekken 9. We get a "tag" game and avert the oversaturation problem.
Nah. Because if we have Tag 3 it will have Everybody( Dead characters won't be in Tekken 9).
"on the Wii U of all consoles"
Has the best graphics and the only version with four player mode 🤔
After Tekken 8 we will get Tag Tournament 3
Tag1 has the best lighting the series has ever had
"I can feel it in my neck. I can feel it in my NECK!"
Looking at the track record, we had:
Tekken 1/2/3 & TTT
Tekken 4/5/6 & TTT2
Tekken 7/8/9 & TTT3?
If so, I’m definitely not going to be alive when Tekken Tag Tournament 3 comes out, and Harada probably won’t be either 😮
“Right in the neck where the clavicle connects to the duodenum “😂😂😂😂 neither of those are in the neck nor are they near each other. Someone needs an anatomy lesson
Ugh, I hope they have a TTT3 lined-up. If eight years was the gap between 7 and 8, and game franchises take longer to develop by the title... I need me some tag to break that up.
That's weird considering I don't think the gap fron Tekken 5 to 6 was that long( We also don't have a Named title for Tekken 8
Did Tekken 6 sell that well? I remember games during that time being switched to multiplatform to sell more units. Maybe Tag 2 flopped because TK 6 wasnt as hyped as TK 3 and 5
I thought i was in the know on video games back in the day and i had no idea when they even released til way later
I think they said t6 sold around 3.5 million copies so not bad
@@rikuheart91 3.5 million during that time was seen as soso because games were more expensive to make. It needed to make 2x as much. I think Tag 2 sold half which was seen as bad.
i just bought tag 2 today on xbox, if anyone wants to play some matches lemme know because online still works 😁
24:09 Tekken x SF
Why every tag game is broken? Cant they just implement "maximum damage" mechanic like mk4 and solve the full hp combos?
Tag 1 hd doesnt have online
I broke so many controllers playing tag 2, sad.
Tag 1 HD did not have online play
And I don't think it's the best way to play the game either, because it removed 1-on-1, screen capture, and unlockables.
TTT1 HD does not have online mode
Man used Aris' video 🤣👏
tekken is not, and never will be a complex game.