Tenor Horn vs Baritone with Clarke's Carnival of Venice
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- In this video I take two staple brass band instruments and talk about them a bit - the Tenor Horn in Eb and Baritone in Bb. If you subscribe to the Continental or American nomenclature, you'll call these two instruments an Alto horn and Tenor horn respectively.
This video is a re-upload as the first was missing an image.
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As a Baritone player who has gotten into Trombone lately, that song terrifies me, just imaging trying to play it on a Trombone.
Girbot119 it's been done
Orion Lozano it’s crazy lol
Good to hear partner. I also was a baritone horn player who as of a few years ago got in Bb piston valve bass trumpet and tenor trombone. Wow. Would I love to play that song. I think I will achieve it in my dreams.
You'd need arms like popeye!
My trombone teacher had me play it on trombone when I was like 14
Dude I applaud you for being able to play that👏
The alto horn is really easy to play if you play the trumpet or euphonium. You just need a pair of lungs and a basic understanding of how the valves work
I have played tenor horn
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Amazing explanation and demonstration! This is, by far, one of the best accounts on the music side of CZcams. I wish more people were able to see how great this channel is.
Thanks mate. I really appreciate it :)
Well, I purchased a Tenor Horn and love it! It's tonal character is exactly what I was looking for. I've been layering it against trumpets and strings. And it sounds great! Such a nice warm tone!
I have only started watching your videos for about a month now, but I do rather enjoy them. thank you for all your info and I want you to know every entertaining to watch. A very talented musician. ~SGT
Thank you :)
Same but for like 2-3 weeks
The baritone sounds quite a bit different than a trombone to my ears. Less 'brassy.'
I agree, i can definitely tell the difference. But if you weren't playing especially loud they do have very similar characteristics. The trombone just has a very distinct sounds when you give it a proper blow :)
It's supposed to. I find the sound of the baritone to be clearer and more melodic, and that of the slide trombone to be a bit nasal and raucous. They're useful for different things.
I don't know; I've heard too many variants of tone in a trombone myself. My large-bore rose-colored brass-bell trombone sounds warmer than that one to me. I think the size of the bore and conical vs cylindrical both make more of a difference than the number of bends in the pipes.
JonFrumTheFirst I do have to agree but not by much.
brass has no defined sound
With all these horns, I'm surprised I've never seen you play the other kind of brass horn -- you know, the *French* kind.
german, actually
the french style of horn is only really used in well...... france.
The alto horn in Mexican Banda music is used for the harmony/precusion parts of the music. The Alto Horn and the Suosaphone also used in this style of music make the the beat or tempo of the songs they're playing.
Asi es viejon
I have no use for a tenor horn, but I want one....
You are an absolute beast man! I haven't played in a band since high school, I played the baritone and trombone for over 10 years and quit when I graduated. Keep up the amazing work on your channel
That was some incredible playing!
I play b flat baritone love the sound
Ikr?
Excellent demonstration! Former Tenor horn player reliving the memories of my brass band days here and now making do with a Cornet! Thank you :)
Very educational and interesting video as always Trent! Glad you were able to clear up the differences for me
Thanks for the turorial and the demo. Much appreciated.
Nice video, I'm joining a brass band Monday, so ur vids about the tenor horn have been great. All though I've noticed that everyone I know in America calls it the tenor horn, idk maybe we are the odd ones
Actually, in the American Tradition, the Eb horn is called an Alto Horn, while the Bb horn is still called a Baritone horn, unlike in the Continental Tradition, where the Eb horn is still the Alto Horn, while the Bb horn is the Tenor Horn.
Max Burger-Roy in Germany we say : Es Alt-Horn , Tenorhorn in B and the bigger softer one we call Bariton
And in Poland there is E-flat Alto, B-flat Tenor- with 3 valves and B-flat Baritone with 4 valves
Or: Alt Es, Tenor B, Baryton B :D
No love for the Euphonium?
The Band Man I do.
The Eb horn is actually called a 'Tenor Horn' in the British tradition. A Wagnerian Tuba in Bb is also called a 'Tenor Horn', much to everyone's confusion. A Bb horn is known as a 'Baritone'.
That carnival of venice sounded amazing!
This should be a relaxing baritone/tenor horn video and the first part of this song is perfect
Love your videos!!! Keep 'em coming!
I have an older style tenor horn (tubing over the valves as you showed) and also a baritone. To my untalented lips I find the baritone more suited to baseline "oompah" parts whereas the tenor horn can sound wonderfully round, full, lyrical. I think it will have the ability to be a glorious bridge between the higher register of my cornets and those of the baritone, if only I can re-learn enough technique from nearly 30 years ago. I love them both but, if I had to choose, I think the tenor horn would win my heart.
Its interesting that your "lower" instruments read treble clef. I played tenor trombone in school and we were taught to read it in bass clef.
In the UK, orchestral trombone is Bass, marching is treble. I only read bass because I'm a string bass player mainly. What a faff
It’s Brass Band tradition for every instrument except Bass Trombone and Percussion to read transposed treble. Although some Bari/Euphs read Treble in the states when they switch from a different instrument.
@@TheMankind51 Regular tenor trombone also reads bass clef.
@@mambojazz1 bit of a late reply but in british brass band, tenor trombone reads treble. However, in military bands and orchestras, they read bass. However if orchestral or military players feel more happy reading treble, they can request it and vice versa.
that was beautiful, well played
My favorite baritone horn was one with a screw-secured curved bell and a diagonal four valve assembly. If I ever saw this baritone horn on sale, I'd purchase it in a second. This when my embrasure is four decades neglected.
I had a friend who would play the alto horn; he would switch out one of the tuning slides for an F crook and cover French horn parts. The two of us played horn duets together for fun, (I, transposing on the trombone).
Why do you read treble clef on the baritone? I play Euphonium, which is similar, and I read bass clef
In the brass band all instruments, except for bass trombone, read treble clef.
+Trent Hamilton oh okay thanks
Even the tuba?
MrInitialMan Even the tuba.
Interesting. Here in North America, that's only the case with the G Tuba (AKA Contrabass Bugle). The rest of the tuba music I encountered was in bass clef--though that was in the school band.
Honestly Trent mate! You're amazing! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D You can play all them brass instruments terrifically well! :D :D :D :D :D
Anyone else hear the police car at 3:40?
Jesse Sugarman-Weir I noticed when I went back thanks
I've just restored a John Packer 173 baritone horn. The main problem was getting the main slide unstuck. It took a one ton winch in the end. I now find it free blowing and playing well.
Great video, thanks
We Americans call it the baritone horn as well. The Spanish MAY call a baritone horn a tenor horn, though.
another good video Trent
Low brass instruments are freakin' cool. I however am on the opposite side of the spectrum. I play violin, Alto sax, and piccolo trumpet. Props to anything tenor or below though.
You left out the Melophone, which looks like a French horn, but it has the same range as the alto/tenor eflat horn. the valves are not rotary but look like trumpet push valves, also missing is the double bellel euphonium with either 4 or 5 valves.
I live in America and we still call the Bb tenor horn the Baritone... They put out such a smooth sound and add so much more depth to the band.
I started out in the 2nd/3rd cornet role like most kids do, switched to baritone when I was diagnosed (?) with a need for orthodontic braces, and stayed with the baritone for the rest of my years in that band. I was definitely a quieter sort of person, and played too quietly too. But at the same time, I liked my position in the band because I was comfortable being unseen and largely unheard, even if I was a capable player.
I do come from a family of Trombone and Cornet players, completely different personalities than me. I guess I was the odd one out, especially since I too believe that valves do not belong on a Trombone.
I played the Tenor Horn for 3 years in the Band of the Island of Jersey had a real good time. I was pretty good at it to, I left the island though and obviously had to stop. I really want to pick it back up though.
I guess I should explain my reason for asking this question.
My entire life I have made a living as a violinist. But I also played trumpet for 30 years. I have my own recording studio. I've been tracking horn parts. And since I'm only comfortable playing a valved instrument I've been looking for a instrument that falls into that specific range for recording.
I thank you guys so much for your comments and advice.
George Mason Try the mellophone.
do they take the same size mouthpiece
Impressive playing!
the Tenorhorn is your instrument. I also listened to the Baritone Euphonium coparision, there you found a better tone on the Euphonium, but i guess you would be also able to find a smoother tone on the baritone if you practice more on it. Very inspiring videos, thank you.
Absolutely fabulous demonstration: Let us know something about the Euphonium next time please. Even mentioning the range on these would be appreciated.
Thanks for the clear explanation Trent. I'm new to the world of brass banding (learning to play trombone) so everything is a mystery to me; I've only just grasped the idea that I always sit in the same place within the band, Doh! Off to watch some more of your vids :-)
Well done good man, well done!
NICELY PLAYED TRENT.
Very interesting!
thanks dunky!
i consider the baritone, and other kinds of valve trombones as training wheels for people who played other kinds of brass instruments who want an easier way to play trombone
Wow they sound so similar to my ears! (I know literally nothing about horns or music theory)
Thanks great 👌
I live in America, so I'm just used to calling it the alto horn,
If the Alto horn fulfills the Alto role in the brass band, why do the British call it the tenor horn?
same reason they call bowling pins skittles
AmericanPatriot76 it has about the same range as a tenor singer so I guess that is why it is called tenorhorn. A soprano eb cornet has about the same range as a soprano singer. The cornet and flugelhorn is having about the same range as an contralto/alto singer. the baritone horn is also in the same range as a baritone singer. See the point?
Same reason you guys call an overhead grill a "broiler".
whether they have the same range is not relevant, but I think you got it almost right. You have to look at their origin to really understand it. These are all part of the saxhorn family, designed by Adolphe Sax who also designed the saxophone. The Saxhorn family was a range of similar brass instruments ranging from soprano to Bass. The soprano is an E flat Bugle, the alto (never namde like that) the 'regular' B flat Bugle, then the E flat tenorhorn, B flat Baritone, B flat Bass, E flat Bass and at last the B flat contrabass
Apparently the b-flat cornet can also play in the soprano range... from C4 to C6. and the tenor (alto) horn is really quite in the alto range, F3-F5.
I'm sorry about your father passing away. May he rest in piece.
Wow. Awesome.
They are both beautiful, melodious horns, they deserve to play the lead more. And that piece was written by a sadist! Looks bloody impossible!
Awesome!
ok. so. when I was in high school, my music teacher came in one day all giddy. she had found a small horn, similar in appearance to that e flat horn... but it was in F.
I've never seen another one. it's like they don't actually exist.
Who saw the dent in the bell at 0:18?
Since i play baritone once i can play my part i like to mess around with other instruments parts and kind of play everything. I make a point of learning every solo that we have in every piece by memory
how much did you pay for your tenor horn? I really want one. I play tenor sax and baritone sax. and I want to get into brass as well. I preferably want something lower with a bigger mouth piece than a trumpet. and i don't want a French horn. and suggestions that I can get used for cheap?
Snekles you can get a none trigger trombone for cheap but I suppose you would want a valved instrument
preferably a valved yeah. but I would be open to a trombone. as long as It doesnt break the bank. ( but is still good quality tho)
A good starter would be baritone, euphonium or even trombone as they're sort of in the middle of everything. (ex: middle price range, middle amount of air, middle of the amount of players) or that might just be my inner trombonist speaking
Try a horn or a baritone even if it's a hire.
The top tenor horns are £4000 but they are amazing
I LIVE ACROSS THE POND,USA, AND I CALL IT A TENOR HORN.
Hello Trent! Could you tell me the difference between the tenor horn mouthpiece and the baritone mouthpiece?
Thank you
The baritone mouthpiece is slightly bigger. That's about it.
@@TrentHamiltonIs the shank on a tenor horn also the same size as a small shank trombone?
Is the tenor horn you have there dented on the bell?
Not dented, creased as if it were set down on its bell and then fell over or got leaned on. I had the same thing happen with a marching French horn, and seeing this makes me want to fix it just like I had to fix the marching horn.
It'd be cool if you could get your hands on a double bell euphonium and do a video on that
What about an alto horn? I don't know anything about it, but I've seen scores calling for it.
Also, I've seen old photographs of marching bands that have something like euphoniums (euohonia? What is the correct plural?) where the instruments were on the players' shoulders, pointing backwards. I'm guessing to be sure the soldiers matching behind can hear the music? What do you know about that?
Trent, you have some chops!
Man I'm just now realizing that the Eb horn is called a tenor because the Soprano of the British brass band is in Eb
I feel dumb
What is the mouthpiece size like on the tenor horn? Compared to trumpet and baritone?
Alto horn is one step from French horn though
hey Trent is the bell of the tenor/alto horn bell bent?
The bell in the video is damaged. In brass bands, however, we don't use the horns with a bell tilted forward.
+Trent Hamilton ok plus I have a request for you to play the swan on on your contrabass trombone or your Bb bass/tuba please.
I've seen another configuration of the Eb tenor horn before. It was particularly unusual; valves were front action, and the bell was curved forward. Kind of like the old Bach baritone horn you sometimes use in your videos. I don't think any manufacturers make tenor horns in that configuration anymore though.
You'll find them in continental Europe mainly under the name of an Alto Horn
Always love it when you play Carnival :) Also what instrument is that variation originally suppose to be played on?
Trumpet I think
Cornet actually but similar enough to trumpet
+Patrick OBrien yes on trumpet
Coronet, my good sir, is the original instrument
thank you
Quite the dent in that tenor horn
I’ve got a Besson Sovereign Tenor Horn, it was my dads it’s mine but I play cornet/trumpet but mine is a different shape still to the 2 models you demonstrated during the video, is it just ne
They call the Baritone a Valve-Trombone? So what would they call the instrument Juan Tizol played?
Please play the German Tenorhorn of Bariton from the militarybands .. Love your Videos
I have a round stamp besson sovereign tenor horn from the 80s☺️
is a like the difference between a cornet and a flugelhorn yes.
What model mouthpiece are you using on the tenor horn?
Great video, I'm a primary saxophone player looking to learn a brass instrument, which one would be best for a beginner? If anyone else in the comments could help me, that would be very appreciated
E flat alto/tenor horn would be in the same key you are use to if you play the e flat saxophone (not that it matters too much) but trumpet/cornet would be easier to get your hands on.
You said that the euphonium is ib Bb, an octave below the trumpet: would that put it into the same register as the bass trumpet? How then would the euphonium, tenor trombone, and bass trumpet compare? And then chuck the mellophone into the mix.
Bass trumpet, euphonium, and tenor trombone are all in the same register.
@@TrentHamilton Thank you!
okay, am I crazy, or is the music that's displayed, despite the treble clef on the page , actually in tenor clef? like for instance, I'm following along while he's playing (on the baritone) and he plays an F. and on the music, the note is placed above the top line, like it would be in tenor clef? but... the key is in treble?? and the clef is treble?? but the notes are in Tenor???? I'm from hamburger land (USA) so maybe I'm missing something? I've noticed the same thing on other videos where he plays euphonium/baritone.
I have one of those from around 1915. Don't have a mouthpiece for it, though...
In an orchestra, would these horns be interchangeable with a trombone?
I´m curious: sometimes you use the fingertips for playing, sometimes the knuckles: just no difference for you (my teacher pressed me to use the tips. Always.)
alto horns are used instead of french horns in many situations
Are Tenor Horns still in use in modern day brass bands?
Yes
can you do a video on the tenor trumpet I can't seem to find a video on it
I've lost my baritone horn mouthpiece and I need to buy a new. Is there a seperate mouthpiece to baritone and tenor/trombone, or are they the same?
You should start your videos playing a short song ir melody. That way it would catch the viewers attention better, otherwise we might get bored of all the talking and having to wait till the end to listen to the instrument.
(English is not my native tongue, please understand any grammar mistake).
Is this the Tenorhorn that Mahler asked for in his 7th symphony? Or would that Be the Bb Baritone?
Why does it look like sink tubing
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Where do you buy your instruments? I'm looking to get a baritone, preferably a marching baritone
That poor tenor horn bell
6:33 You switched to the tenor horn.
i accidentally bought an alto instead of a baritone. do you know where can i buy a mouth for my alto? and how to deal with the clefs?
They sound the same to me.
So basically the alto horn is a valved alto trombone
What instrument provides the soprano voice
soprano cornet/solo cornet/repiano cornet
(sometimes flugelhorn/2nd cornet/3rd cornet/solo tenor horn)
Great video! But how is it going with your organ?