Baritone vs Euphonium - Comparison
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2016
- First thing to note - I don't have a decent mic, so you can't really observe the true scale of the tonal differences between these two instruments.
In this video I compare two instruments - a Besson 700 series Baritone with a Besson Sovereign Euphonium. In the process I use a small excerpt from 'Slavische Fantasie' and the march 'Cairo Red Shield'.
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I played euphonium through high school, and every time someone would ask what that was the only way to explain it would be to tell them it's a smaller tuba.
I am currently in high school and that's exactly how I describe it 😂😂
Same for middle
Same here 😂
Tenor tuba then?
I (a trombone player) described it to a non-musician as such, and when I told our Euphonium player she went off on me for like 20 minutes
Years ago I played Amazing Grace for a church service on my euphonium and afterwards a woman came up to me and thanked me, saying that she just loved the sound of the French horn. (sigh)
I went into a music shop to get a Euphonium. I pointed at one and asked how much that one was and the guy says This baritone here?
Me: 'o_0'
@@stephenowens5091 lol I would do the same
Perhaps she was wishing you'd played it on the French Horn.
To be entirely fair, in the upper register they can sound similar to someone who doesn't know the difference.
How do you get something *that* wrong
as a euph player i thank you, because i had no god damn clue what the difference was
Same except I play Trombone currently but I was given the opportunity to play. So here I am now deciding if I want to play it.
AllRice I played Trombone too..and now I play euphnoium
ihaveagun22 so many people call my euph a baritone and it makes me angry
same
Senyjah Wren by the way, I did switch to Euphonuim.
People always see my euphonium and ask where I got such a small tuba. It takes a bit of explanation to get them to figure out that it is an entirely separate instrument.
Wolficorn Same 😂
Same thing goes for my Soprano Sax. People ask me why my clarinet is gold😂
Hey I found you
"Yoooo can I play your tuba? I'm really good at it!"
Its a euphonium.... and you can't play it...
"Nonono I know how to use it"
Okaaay **cleans mouthpiece** you can try it
"Oh oh oh ok! *puts mouth on the whole thing* your tuba is broken >:( *throws it on the floor* "
AHDLSBFPAVDPGNSVALDMVBELCMDBA
It's like when someone calls a pterosaur a dinosaur - you have to sit them down and explain the differences to them. I know, man - I've been there. :(
For every adult that calls my euphonium a baritone, I cringe
For every child that calls my euphonium a tuba, I cry
One time at a marching competition some dude called my sousaphone a bass clarinet
Hold hands brudduh, fo a moment o silence...
My euph has been called a trumpet at least 20 times
My teachers call my baritone a tuba 😭
One time my friend and I were playing the national anthem in our band for a UML (Umass Lowell) Hockey game because our director had gone their for school. My friend plays tuba (I play euphonium) and a kid no older than 8 came up to him and said "Hey! Nice trumpet". We almost collapsed because we laughed so hard!
I've always understood it like this:
Baritone is to Euphonium what Cornet is to Flügelhorn
Tabourba you mean what cornet is to trumpet
The barking iron sound typically associated with the baritone is normally only heard in piss poor players who have no tone control
Flügelhorn and baritone horn are both members of the saxhorn family, conceived by Adolphe Sax, the inventor of the saxophone and the modern bass clarinet.
@@PrinceSwaggy the cornet produces a warm sound than a trumpet.
Or else what a trumpet is to a cornet?
When I say "I play the euphonium." People are like "BISH WAT IS DAT"
Lol same here but I play cornet
Anyone who would be likely to say that is completely unworthy to even hear what instrument a person plays. No point in even discussing the subject with them.
Ton Eye T, euphoniums are like the second child in China. The whole family is aware we exist, just not the public
I know that’s soo true
Same
that moment when your mom calls your baritone a trumpet.
Moostatio or your trombone a tuba
or your euphonium a tuba
Quafelman Jones thats an easy mistake, but alas, very annoying yes.
someone once called my marching baritone a flute. I wish I made this up.
Technically, a euphonium could be described as a tenor tuba, although it can play alto notes.
A lady called my tuba a trombone megaphone and I ended up dropping it.
Robinson Gomez omfg
Robinson Gomez HA RICH KID jk
A kid called a tuba "bazooka" once. I'm serious.
Nyyyooooooo
A person called my euphonium a trumpet
I cringe whenever somebody calls my marching baritone a trumpet
I can relate lol hate that
StalinTheAnarchist no
dog petter it could be considered a bass Bb trumpet
I got called a mellophone. I wanted to cry XD
dog petter in the band section of our yearbook last year, the editing team labeled a group of us marching euphoniums as trumpets.
Now only if GOOD euphoniums weren't the price of college.. sob
Try pricing tubas.
Supposedly the wessex dolce is a good horn for a good price
I found a Yamaha tuba for $800
My school tuba is 10,000+ dollars.
@@acrodne5303 damn
why dear god why does my french horn get called a tuba
Mine gets called a trumpet...
The8BitPhoenix I saw a mellophone get called a saxophone. Pretty sad
+Dineth Altmann A few days ago I saw a Bass Clarinet get called a Saxophone.
Haha.. one of my parents friends came to my house.... cuz idk? And i was practicing trumpet.. she was all like,"whoa! Nice saxophone!"
YoMonster that's like an airplane being called a train
Marg and Ellen were talking.
"So Ellen what's your son Johnny playing in the band"?
"Euphonium"
"Well ok, since you don't know either, I'll give him a call. You got his phone number? "
This is really funny 😂🤣😂
When your french horn gets called a flute ._.
😐😐😐😐😐
Whut
When people ask what your trombone is
How
HAHAHAHAH HOW DID THIS EVEN HAPPEN kind of unrelated story I play oboe and one time our band teacher was telling certain parts to play including me and our French horn player literally said “we have an oboe?” ... I had been sitting in front of him for a little over two months smh
When your French horn gets called a cello..
*euphonium forever*
Uh huh
Let's do a combo
Every time a child asks me what kind of tuba is that when im playing baritone a bunny gets run over by a riding lawn mower
Whaaaaaaaaaaat??? ( :^0
euphonium squad unite
UNITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahem, im 4 years late but lemme just awkwardly walk in.. HERE!!
UNITE
UNITE
I'm 4 years late, but yayyy
My favorite is... :D
"If you read treble clef, then you're playing a baritone horn"
"If you read bass clef, then you're playing a euphonium"
Woah, that's gotta be one of the worst things I've ever read.
wot
So... if you're reading Tenor or Alto clef, which is it?
You shouldn't be playing anything because tenor and alto clef are awful
That would explain the looks my composition teacher gave me. Or maybe it was my use of the Soprano, Mezzo-Soprano, and Baritone clefs. And the subbass clef. What do you think, was writing the Bass clef by putting the C-clef on a ledger line going too far?
Trombonium, Baritone, Euphonium , Tenor Tuba.
From cylindrical to conical.....with a lot of room for confusion in between.
Has nothing to do with number of valves, the clef it plays in or what (in the long run) can be played on the instrument. If you can play one...in theory you can play them all...as they are more alike than different.
The only difference is , that as the instrument becomes more conical it becomes more sonorous and "Cello like" . The main reason Euphonium gets a lot of solo passages is because of it's richer more sonorous sound.
As for the Tenor clef haters, tenor clef and Bb treble clef look an awful lot alike.
as primarily a tuba player, I call my euphonium my "mini tuba" as a joke, because they are essentially small tubas, and trumpets are just the tiniest tubas.
Eddie Gast I guess trombones are slidey tubas
Trumpets couldn't be further from a tuba
"Trumpets are like tiny marching baritones" -Jaden Smith
I always describe my euphonium as a small tuba because otherwise no one has any idea what a euphonium is.
Eddie Gast me and my friend we call ourselves the chunky trumpets
Thank you for a great presentation describing the differences and similarities between the baritone and euphonium horns. Listening to you play was also pleasant, and entertaining. Thank you for the great posting!
Thanks, Trent Hamilton you inspired me to play the baritone and the euphonium and because of you, I'm chair 1 in my school's marching band and the Advanced band also with every video you make you made want to do twice the practice that I already do thanks for all you did for me. BTW I LOVE BAND AND YOUR VIDEOS.
Thank you so much for your kind words :)
Np.
Doubled on this! I started playing Euphonium recently and after a year of experience managed to score first chair as well in an honor band. Best decision I've made in music.
Thank you Trent. My daughter is learning these instruments (grade 6). At school she plays a euphonium, but at home we are renting a baritone horn (that's what they gave us). Now I have a better idea what the difference is.
It may be worth noting that with regards to the technical demands of baritone and euphonium parts, traditionally you're correct that the baritone parts often tend to be (technically) less challenging, a lot of modern repertoire is changing - in many of the current testpieces (especially at championship level) the baritone parts are every bit as difficult as the euphonium parts.
(This is said as someone who plays sop for a UK championship band)
Yes, I agree - but most bands aren't at championship levels :) Most of the typical stereotypes cease to exist in the upper echelons.
The baritone is nimbler. More distinction between notes., especially rapid tonguing. The euphonium can sound a bit muffled, less sharp and distinct. And the baritones sound carries farther. Almost the same difference as between the euphie and the tuba.
Very well done, and I deeply appreciate the honest quality - the unscripted and less-than-polished - that makes it feel like we’re together talking over these things. Cheers!
Thanks for the demonstration. I was considering getting a baritone (I played trombone), but after hearing how rich the Euphonium was, I'm going with The Euphonium.
yeah, the euph is way richer in tone, sadly my school band only uses baritone
What is that baby carrier at the back? Is that where Trent puts his euphonium?
YoMonster I was joking =c you know... carrying an euphonium like a baby and so on... xD
Bernardo solano rodriguez unfortunately everyone does this, us baritone/euph marchers are very underestimated 🤕
Best comment on here
Been playing concert euphonium and marching baritone (and euphonium) for 9 years, and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Thanks for sharing!
"It's just twaddle!"
I chuckled at this lol
Emerson Winchester the Third
Orchestra : people call my cello a giant violin and in Band people call my euphonium a weird tuba
cello is just a bass viola
This was so helpful. I’ve started learning the euphonium and had not heard of the baritone so this was great.
Thank you Trent. Your video's are always informative.
I still love how when I bought my friends 2000 dollar euphonium for 100 dollars he still thought it was a baritone (he quit band quite young so he let me yoink it). I can confirm though that not all euphoniums have 4 valves as mine only has 3 and I just play it like a big trumpet since that’s my major
i think thats a marching euphonium which is common to have 3 valves instead of 4
Most beginner and some intermediate concert euphoniums only have 3 valves.
For a euphonium player I went far too long without knowing this. Thanks for the lesson Trent! Now I know why I'm always excited to be handed music that says euphonium instead of baritone lol
Great videos, Euphonium player since high school and into college, really entertaining vids and great sound, Trent!
Trent thanks for your time doing this video. It is an informative one to those people who doesn't know the difference yet. Keep doing this kind of video! Greetings from Puerto Rico my friend.
OMG I had a baritone i inherited from my grandfather at an early age, and my whole life I thought I wasn't playing it right because everyone told me it was the same as a euphonium. I thought I was doing something wrong because i wasn't achieving the rich sound that a euphonium could when I heard other players at music festivals or when I went to band camps and stuff.
*quietly whispers*
"...euphonium master race..."
Am I right
@@maneatinggnomes3985 Absolutely
Us brass players rule over the peasant woodwind players
@@banzai5780 bruh this is a joke dont use actual Facts
NO baritone cooler my man join the rebals not the dark side.
What a fantastic video. You are very good at both instruments. You really helped me learn about the euphonium because o have just started it. Thanks!
I loved your ways of describing both of these glorious horns and by the you play very well.
Trent--I love your videos! I majored in horn but also play trumpet and cornet and I acquired a euphonium (a wonderful name!) just for fun. I remember once years ago meeting a guy who played a "double-belled euphonium" and I gather they were once popular (mentioned in Meredith Willson's '76 Trombones' from The Music Man). So, I'm waiting for you to acquire one, and do a video on it!
*"wHy iS yOuR tUbA sMaLlEr tHaN tHe rEsT"*
These were exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks!
Quality video as always Trent!
if you could do one comparing a baritone to a tenor horn that would be great
trent i challenge you to make a bugle out of pvc pipes it would make for a good video
I would love to see that
aye good ider
i've tried its very difficult, i could not get it to achieve true harmonics
Triple tonguing is way over my head, as an aspiring Euphologist I would say the first step is to build up that breathing stamina. Both lovely instruments and quite unique.
thank you for this! always wondered/speculated the difference
Is it just me or is this guy handling these huge instruments like a giant? He could be handling coffee cups!
Euphoniums aren't that big tho...
Spud Spinnigan
lol I totally agree he shouldn't do that cuz of his vid when he dropped his contrabass trombone and it was broken and all dented
what's more concerning is that he's just waving them around with one hand, see what happened to his contrabass trombone
They're not that heavy of instruments
Tabourba brass instruments are light
I remember when I used to play euphonium, people would always say “I didn’t know they made tubas that small!”
Great video, I played Baritone in an Orchestra and Band (I didn't have access to a Euphonium), and greatly enjoyed it. Keep up the great videos, Trent!
I listen to classical music through the night. I played snare drum in the high school band 68 years ago so I could watch and listen to the other instruments. I did not remember the different sounds of the horn and trombone so I listened on You Tube. Now I am comparing the baritone, euphonium and the tuba. Thank you for your demonstration.
i play euph and read bass clef. but we usually get baritone parts
Penelope Jenkins they just say that if I get second or third trombone parts it will say baritone
the music is the same, the only difference is the instrument
Chances are, you play in a Concert Band (Wind Ensemble), consisting of both woodwinds and brass. Most composers tend to write the parts for baritones, as a lot of the composers I believe are American. The American-styled baritone is very similar to a Euphonium, so they tend to just write it for that instead. It makes no difference either way.
From what I've heard, american composers tend to label their euphonium parts as "baritone," but they actually mean "euphonium." It's really interesting but sad at the same time.
Penelope Jenkins, I feel your pain
Can someone tell me the name of the march that he is mentioning at 7:21. My apologies as I just can't make it out what he's saying. Thanks.
"Cairo Red Shield"
Its been over 30 years since I played a baritone, and I am wanting to re-learn it so I can play at my church. Great video and very informative, thanks for posting.
I just found your channel through this video and I'm a euphonium player and I already love the channel
He plays the tuba at 4:54, euphonium at 5:50.
Zeke Hoang what tuba?
808 Lemons not by anyone that knows what they're talking about... euphonium sometimes is called tenor tuba, but a baritone should never be called that. They're closer to bass trumpets than tubas, especially in marching configuration.
Guys. He meant baritone. Calm down.
@Tabourba It's Tubist you dunkass
Fantastic video. But you should make some more bass Trombone videos
I second this
I third this
Thank you so much. I couldn't tell them apart when I learned to play in a wind band. Now I know Euphonium is so unique!
Trent - thank you for doing this video! I was one of the somewhat confused one, as an adult beginner. A friend of mine (the local music director in a small mountain town) loaned me a 'euphonium' to learn on, but after watching this I'm not so sure it isn't a baritone. It's a 3-valve, '60's Reynolds Futura, with a detachable front facing bell. To me it sounds more baritone-like. Your video helped a lot.
I love your music. Euphonium is a beautoful insturment.
I can count on one hand the number of people who make a living playing either of these two!
You might be able to count on one hand the number of people _you know about_ who make a living playing those instruments. I know a fair number of professional euphonium players.
Ha, that's good. Was meant more as a joke. You know they say the word Euphonium means "unemployed" haha. I have met some fine Euphonium players in my day.
I'm gainfully employed, but as a computer programmer, not as a musician.
Great description! thank you so much.
My favourite video, thanks Trent! I I played euph at school, years later now on baritone horn, but for paid gigs, trombone, so I decided to learn Eb tuba , happy there.
Someone called my trumpet a clarinet... I'm concerned
I hate it when someone calls my saxophone a snare drum
Big difference. Thank you Trent. And well played to my ears.
I'm happy to see someone giving a good explanation on the differences between these instruments both in physical terms and in use :-)
Pretty interesting to see that in a Brass Band the baritone is supposed to do different things than it is in a Fanfare Band (wind/concert band primarily used in the Netherlands and Belgium). There the Baritone (and specifically the 1st baritone part) has a lot of counter melodies or 'fiddly stuff' as you said to the flugelhorns and trumpets, and often plays as a double or counterpart to the French Horn :-)
I started on baritone and after 7 years of playing on the euphonium I got the chance of playing on a baritone again and the first thing I noticed is that I put WAY too much air into the baritone xD it's much more 'delicate' to play on in terms of air flow.
I cringe every time somebody calls my 24 string guitar a snare drum
Hahahaa
I was a Marching Baritone in my last marching season I had. Reality I am a Trombone.
Thank you for this explanation, I have always wondered the difference and have read and heard quite a bit of conflicting information.
Thank you. That clearly illustrated the differences between the two instruments for me. I especially liked the sage description of the *volume* of the instrument being somewhat a function of it being 'cylindrical' or 'conical.' I was trying to explain to my wife, after watching Lowdown Brass Band (Chicago; Ridgway Colorado live performance) play, how the *lengths* of the various instruments play a crucial role in their ranges; to think of them as coiled up to be of a practical nature.
That baritone looks different than the ones I see, our baritones look like euphs with 3 valves.
Yeah, same
His baritone is 3/4 sized
ohlol
Robert Miears - It's a full-sized Besson Baritone as played in a British Brass Band. I play both Euphonium and Baritone in brass band, and my Baritone is the same model. I've been playing for 37 years.
It appears that you can more easily achieve greater range on the euphonium than the baritone.
eh.....if both are 4 valve versions the range will be the same....and the types shown are more classic British types! I.e. brass band ;-)
It's the opposite.
No. Range is exactly the same, but euphs more often have four valves than do baris. It's the number of valves that makes the difference, not the width of the tubing.
Euan Zhang that's very true for me I don't know why I can hit a top Bb on a euphonium but not a baritone
@@benfuller5556 for me it's the opposite, on a good day I can hit top top g on baritone but j can't get above c on euph
Excellent Video !!!
Thank you for the explanation and demonstration.
My 6th grade math teacher as a joke said to someone with a trombone hey nice flute
Mine said that to me :/
You Gotta Ride Jimin Before You Park Jimin, why is your so long
Two drastically different instruments in various ways 😂
My aunt called my French Horn a French Clarinet...
Ever heard of the Cor Anglais?
Thanks for the insight. I played Tuba/Sousaphone in school and carried a Baritone home for practice.
Excellent video. Thank you.
"A lot of that is just twaddle"
_subscribes_
i need to share this video to my freinds they keep saying that i play the baritone
Thank you very much for your video. I enjoyed it very much.
great video as always. Now I have more understanding of baritone horn vs. euphonium. They have different roles in their use. Yes the conical bore of a euph gives it a warmer sound. I think for the cost, baritones are cheaper and so you see them more often in school bands.
I have a baritone that looks like the euphonium but without a 4th valve...
Well it's not mine its my schools... I'm not good a music I'm just a noob
Me too
I play trombone and baritone and euphonium players tease me 😭
5:40 What a trooper you are Trent! 'kakking' the last note in the cadence run on the Baritone horn is ALL part of the demo! As always, explanation is nicely done, I've always thought that there is enough of a difference in the Baritone horn and the Euphonium - that they SHOULD have their own names - and, voila! They do! Thank you. I last 'played' a totally smashed-up Euphonium back in high school - I loved it, and when they finally got rid of the old 'band' instruments - I SHOULD have made a bit for one of them...but, I didn't.
rats.
I'm principally a string player but have recently taken up the French horn. There has always been a curiosity in my mind about the difference between the baritone and the euphonium, so when I happened upon this video I took to it quite happily. It was not rambling at all and I enjoyed it immensely. The euphonium is definitely the sweeter sounding of the two, perhaps because of the conical shape. Thank you!
You wouldn't be a Salvo by any chance? As a Salvo bandsman, this seems incredibly familiar
Yes I am. I conduct the Wellington South Sally Army Band.
Nice! I used to play in the youth band at Tuggeranong in Canberra
Trent Hamilton. What is the name of the piece you were playing? it sounds fun and I want to learn it.
I get triggered when my band director calls my euphonium a baritone.
Sameeee my band teacher keeps calling my euphonium a baritone
That's probably just naming the part, because most euphonium parts get called baritone. I'm Dutch, and with my fanfare concert band we have half the euphoniums playing euphonium parts and the other half playing baritone parts, so usually he calls it baritones euphoniums, and sometimes he calls for one if there is a difference
Great explanation, thank you so much!
Normally a host rambling gets rather droll, but Trent when you ramble I still learn something. So, thanks for rambling! That right there is some kind of gift. Ha! Also, wonderful playing!
I thought they were the same instrument
Top difference between a baritone and a euphonium. If it has a gorgeous rich, soulful sound it's a euphonium. If it sounds like a truck ran over it then reversed back for a second go? It's a baritone.
@Tabourba thanks for that link. That was beautiful.
Great video!
I was searching up about baritone guitars but I stumbled upon this and I gotta say I enjoyed watching this
Treble clef is inferior
Austin Hanood yes yes yesssss
Treble is superior
Treble works better- less ledger lines and less flats in the key signature.
Austin Hanood lets fight B
Nice job mate, I can see you're gifted musically!
Huh. That explains a lot actually. Back when I was in band I was a tuba player, but I would moonlight as a tenor tuba player.
Tenor tuba, euphonium, baritone. They were all the same instrument in my band, and they all used euphonium sheet music,
Good to finally know the distinction!
BTW, thanks for the videos (audios). Very good info.
I played the bass clef baritone horn throughout middle and high school and loved the instrument. My favorite one was a four-valve, slanted horn with a positional curved bell. While the euphonium sounds fuller and smoother, if I ever found a baritone like the one I used to play, I'd buy it without a moment's hesitation. I LOVED that horn.