MOPAR Dyno Battle - Headers Vs Manifolds
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Ever wonder how much power difference there is between headers and manifolds on a classic MOPAR? Today, Nick will find out.
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Pretty damned amazing for manifolds. STORY- I
rebuilt a 440 for a friend in 1992, in his '68 Super Bee, had an A833 stick trans with Dana rear. He had me install straight line vertigate shifter, had a little separate shifter for reverse.. I made a reverse shift rod from GM column shift A- body rod. He wanted those manifolds on, so I used them. I'll never forget- we take car for first drive for shakedown, owner driving, me in passenger seat. State cop pulls us over almost instantly. Inspection sticker had expired while we were building engine, car sat in my garage. He didn't believe our alibi. I got out, opened hood on fresh 440 all painted red, he smiled, let us go, no fines. Lol !! That's the power of a fresh painted 440, you can bribe the cops !
Nearly the same story in Kansas in '82 switched my Corvair from one turbo to two.
helped a co-worker correctly clone 70 runner into a superbird, 4spd,, engine bored 440 +.06 and used hemi crank, total of 499.6 cubic inch,, 2 4bbl, yielded 673hp with manifolds that had been extrusion honed, came with engine used, & 690hp with hooker competition plus headers,, on pump gas, he still has the car, went with the petty blue & red paint minus the number
The 383 was the best big block ever made.
As soon as I put headers on my 383 I couldn't believe the difference with the engine. Woke it right up
I agree. Although when I comment on it, I get grief from 440 guys. Whatever.
Hi Nick ...Peter from Adelaide Australia, you helped me with the 383 charger rear seal. This test and motor was great to watch, thank you for a great episode
What a fabulous set-up for the street. Love this test. That is one happy engine. Have a great week everyone. Springtime is just around the corner!
Can't wait!
@@NicksGarage you should get a small car dyno in the shop so u can measure the hp an tq after you install the engine. A in car an out of car hp test
The 383ci has got to be the most underrated & overlooked engine of its era.
Cheers & stay safe guys😊
The 400 is even better, the bigger bore really helps them breathe. The stock compression is terrible, but modern cams can still build ample cylinder pressure, like the Hughes Whiplash, Comp Thumpr, and Howards Rattler. They sound ROWDY too! I wish they were around in the 90s, when I had a 400 in my Charger, another 400 in my truck, and another in my 75 Newport.
Good morning Nick and George, A header VS stock manifolds is always interesting test, and a great way to start a Monday with a hot cup of coffee, and Nick's Garage.
Good morning! Thanks for joining us today. We're looking forward to a first start with you soon.
good morning eugene hope all is well with you 🇨🇦 👍 🖐
@@NicksGarage The first start will be epic for me, and something I have been waiting for since 1975, when the engine last ran in the 500. Looking forward to hearing the 440 roar with open headers.
@@danohstoolbox Good morning Danoh, everything is good here in Texas, I hope you are doing ok too.
Hope you are doing well, and a shout out to Texas.
EXcellent results Nick with minimal mods and a smooth idle & good vacuum to boot-! As ive mentioned before I had a friend back in the late 70's and 80's that owned a '69 383 4 spd. Roadrunner, and all we knew is the engine was built by the previous owner with mild mods for weekend strip runs by a guy named J. Albright and it was a real tire smoking beast with obviously more power than a factory 383 Roadrunner. We were always curious about the engines internal specs and it ran so good my friend didnt want to take it apart so we never knew exactly what secrets lay within Mr. Albrights engine work, but we never got beat in a weekend race on the local strip and it was as reliable as a tank. I miss those days so much, if I knew then what I knew now id have spent more time in his car and others like it I was lucky enough to ride in. Ah memories......
Goog old days.
Nick had that 440 running SO good,
When he wound it up to redline, it
sucked all the air out of the dyno
room, and everybody passed out.
!
It was a 383, bud.
My uncle had a 64 Dodge Polara 383 and 4 on the floor back in the early 80s, what a fun car that was ! He asked me if i wanted to help him work on it, i did and i have been wrenching ever since then. Great Channel you have Nick 👍
What a little powerhouse! I would leave the manifolds on for sure. easy maintenance and install. I love it. coffee and nick what more does a guy need
Right on!
Why are manifolds the right choice? I didn't have time to finish the video yet and I'm really curious! Ty
I love the 383 motor. My dad and I put one in our 63 Newport. I wish I still had the 413 that was in it. We traded a guy a dart for it. I loved the cross ram manifold.
Valve float right at the end of the run, around 5900-6000rpm
Brenton K Or rev limiter.
@@wysetech2000 i'm going with valve float. Seemed to push back through the intake/carb at 5900-6000 rpm. That's why the numbers started to dive dramatically.
Seat pressure is at 135 PSI, and open valve at 320. Also have .020 shims under the rocker shafts for less preload.
The 383 Mopar has always been my favorite engine.
Because i grew up in the 60's & 70's, and a neighbors friend had a Super Bee with a 383, and they were popular in Mopar cars when i was in High School, i think its my favorite Mopar engine .
Bon Matin/ Good Morning, this time change gets me every year. Nice to see this test run. Thank-you.
Hi Nic, I see you are impressed with the 393 numbers, Back in the day with my 383 RR I was never afraid of the boys with 440's. Street racing was a lot of fun, But when a hemi showed up-well that is a different story! Thanks Nick for the great shows.
lt is always a very good day in the life of a very old man when l get to watch👀 Nick's Garage🤩.....lt has been said that the 383 is what made
Chrysler what it is today.....Thanks Nick & George,happy birth day Len...😋👍
My 383 in my Roadrunner I would max RPM at 6500. Narrow deck than the 440 and although a big block the 383 is like a small block screamer
Sounds like a nice setup.
Brings back fond memories of Grandma laying rubber from her 383 1965 Chrysler wagon as she pulled out on the 2 lane highway… and that was 1983, so still breathing some fire with an 18 years old car. Great video and excellent engine for your customer’s street car.
Great show. Down south we call those "factory headers" 😎🇱🇷
I used to love racing my 383...especially with the Lamborghini on my bumper at night in my 71 short bed truck. His afterburner was awesome! 👍✌
Nick, me and a friend got 11.8 on a quarter with a 383 in a 70 Road Runner. Blueprinted engine, balanced, custom grind cam, no Nos, 750 double pumper. Interior gutted and a roll cage. Great fun.
Great. Always loved the 383 engine.
Good morning Nick and Crew! Another cold day in central Pennsylvania. Have a Great week! Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
Thanks, you too! Take care, Bill.
It's another cold Monday morning in S Ont. But we have another great show from Nick's garage. The good weather isn't far away and our cars will be back on the road. Thanks for helping to see us through it😎✌
Can't wait!
totally rad, this is a great 383 street machine engine that can run factory power brakes. a great improvement over the stock 335HP with this 384HP. And nice torque curve at 404TQ. awesome i love nick's garage dyno day.
I honestly don't think one was only 335 from the factory, even the '59. Sure, a 2 bbl Cali sold car with the added smog crap was maybe in that hp range, but those we had in '59 and early/mid '60s were likely 350/360 hp.
This is basically a stock engine, factory bore and stroke. 9.4 compression, hydraulics, with a small cam and better flowing heads. Sweet 383 but all 383's were.
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I had a 1968 383 road runner.i installed a higher lift cam and a set of cast iron factory 413 race headers. Had to modify fire wall. Worked great.
That 383 screams Nick, great show as ways keep up the good work.
GREAT video, Nick! That 383 is pretty impressive! My vote would be to keep the exhaust manifolds too.Thanks!👍
Nick, I think, you're great guy! I'm, 50 years old. My dad, was a car dealer, when I was growing up . I'm, a Ford guy now, but I always thought the 383, was a powerful engine. They, seem to put out, more than advertised.
This was great fun. I like 383`s ⚡
Glad you enjoyed it!
good morning Nick and George hope all is well with you today 👍 🇨🇦 😀
Good morning! Thanks Danoh! We hope everyone got the clocks changed.
@@NicksGarage indeed we have hopefully for the last time ⏲
@@NicksGarage great show as always guys 👍🖐🇨🇦😁
Good morning Danoh. hope the weather is going to hold, I'm tired of these wild swings.
@@derekbowbrick6233 you and me both I just want some consistency
Fine 383, never had a complaint about them. 19 hp more with headers, around 7% increase ?
Really enjoying your content Nick,.
Nicely done love the fine tuning 6,000 RPM for the win!
My '69 Roadrunner has a 383 with stock manifolds. Folks have suggested going with headers for more power, but I said "nah" I want to keep it stock.
What a strong little motor. Mopar or no car💪
There are great classic cars and engines from all the major manufacturers. You are missing out with such narrow thinking.
It's just an expression. I've had a couple Chevys,and 3 ford's (one a K code albeit a short time). It's a preference. I'm not missing out.
And not in the laest bit "narrow mibded"
Keep the manifolds on this ballsy 383. One hp per cu inch is usually a good setup. The 383 loves to wind out and great torque numbers means grunt at the line. All around happy street engine. Thanks guys for another great Dyno session.
Look at those cfms from the evacuation ,nice clean filters
The 383 is overlooked a lot by mopar people. It’s a shame, because the 383 is a great engine.
It sure is.
I am going to recreate this exact engine for my shop truck… 1968 D100 with a factory 383.
Thanks Nick and Crew!!
Impressive power with those stock manifolds
Nick , IMO ,when exhaust manifolds get hot, gases flow threw more evenly as cast gets hot and retains it ,because there is little temp change from hot to cold, verses headers which I used to wrap them in asbestos to keep heat in till it hits the exhaust flanges ,that’s why in most cases stock manifolds are more efficient,and yes I changed a starter on my 70 Duster in the snow with headers on it 🥵
Ma Mopar always made great factory free flowing manifolds..the best of the big 3.
Love the 383 motor, Brought a 70 Plymouth Satalite new 383, power pack, A727 Torque Flight, it was a sleeper!
What is better Is it an exhast manifold or an exhaust header? Well Nick's Garage is about to show ya This will be the settler! Nick is taking the proper time to see how well the RPM'S climb He's divised lots of different ways to get horse power for days Here we have a 383 which might be enough for me but Nick prefers the 440 Nick is running it up The engine is the horse and the dyno is the stirrup It's gotta be a fair test and It can't be corrupt Aah the aroma of the sealer the turn of the wrench this is has the look of a block worked on the bench no main dealer stench Mild porting which always needs sorting Nick has set the timing and this 383 is in no danger of late arriving It's an awesome 383 that's why Nick's Garage on a Monday is where I want to be
Great motor! Happy Birthday Len!
Thank you, great topic
Glad you liked it! Tell your friends for us?
Hi Nick Love the 383 in a small package like an A body they were hard to beat , Love your channel !
Thanks folks! Glad to have you with us.
Yeah. I had a 440 in an A body then sold the motor for way too much money (I couldn't say no) then put a 383 in it and I have to say I enjoyed the 383 more. It was such a fun car to drive. It flew too, would spin the tires into second with 3.23s and a LSD. It had an M1 single plane on it with a Thermoquad. When the secondaries opened the disgusting roar would make everybody in the car piss themselves with laughter. I miss that car. It had headers on it though.
That is a great running 383 for the street! Those cam specs are close to the Mopar Purple Shaft Street Hemi grind which was a great performer for 383-440. Put some good flowing mufflers on it!
yeah use a breaker box before the muffler the exhaust thinks its hit open air.
I’m running the lasted version of the Mopar street Hemi cam. It’s not the same as the 80’s version. But still had great mid to top end power.
Love the entire factory chunk🙂
good morning gents , i love dyno battle videos they are such great learning videos
Jimmy! Glad you like them!
Good Morning Nick & George that was one pretty impressive 383 with them manifolds Nick, one sweet running engine me thought. Nick I would go with the manifolds as that's plenty for a cruiser.Thanks for yet another top show and stay safe all.
Thanks 👍
Excellent...demonstration... to. Show. headers. Do. Make. A. Difference...... thank.s. nick. Have. A. Nice. Day....
Good morning from California love waking up to nick’s garage video
Love it! Thank you Nick!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The 383 in my Road Runner is at a racing engine builder as I write this. Should get started in next 2 weeks. Odometer says 38,000 which I think means it has turned over, but. . . the people who pulled the engine think it might be original mileage of 38K, because of condition of engine bay and undercarriage. I'm planning on rebuild, new cam, intake, carb and possibly stroking it. Planning on using stock exhaust headers so this video is super useful right now. Hoping to get to upper 400s torque and hp. Thanks for great video Nick I love this!!!
All the best and good luck.
@@nickpanaritis4122 I'll let you know how it turns out, Nick.
1 horse per cubic inch,thats damn impressive,with stock mag manifolds,shows who can build an engine,NICK takes the time,every cylinder,every time,check recheck,it pays
Thanks for the video Nick. Now you got me missing my numbers matching 383 4 speed 69 Road Runner I had to sell. Headers are great but with this setup I bet you would not notice the horsepower difference by using the HP manifolds.
But the Sound of Headers is a Plus for me and +18.. 18 is good too. You Diffentley feel 18 H.p. 18 Torque 😁✌
Gotta say I’m impressed with those B/RB HP manifolds. The 340 manifolds were down 28/27 from headers on my combo.
Nice video, thanks for sharing it with us. I think a dyno comparison of factory electronic ignition vs points/dual points ignition would be interesting.
Great point!
The 383 is a very good and reliable engine. We had a 383 engine out of a wrecked '69 Charger R/T here in the South of the Netherlands. It was only 4 month's old when it was wrecked. We raced the first season as the car was and in 1970 we build a dirt track racecar with the 383, it's 4 speed heavy transmission and rear axle. I made an electronic ignition for it. In race, it ran on dirt track almost 95% of it's time full throttle and we had some issues with missfiring on cilinder 7. This came because of the standard manifold with the high revs (6000 rpm continuously). Cilinder 5 and 7 have their output after each other and cilinder 7 was facing the heat of cilinder 5 still under pressure in the exhaust manifold at the moment the cil 7 exhaust valve was opening. Cilinder 7 couldn't get rid of the hot gases, so at the intake stroke, the mixture ignited premature.
We solved this problem with self made tubular manifols with double downpipes (and then sideways) on each side. Cilinder 1 was combined with cil 5 and cil 3 was combined with cil 7. On the other side cil 2 with 4 and cil 6 with 8. The sound was incredible, but we also gained power, because the revs on the same track went to 6300 almost continuously.
I loved that engine and also it's sound. We made many victories with it for more almost 9 years. Then we sold the racecar and got a bit more "normal" as "sensible people" used to do.
Jos...you can attest to the reliability of a 383 given the endurance test you put it through...did you ever have to rebuild it in 9 years?
@@lukepokrajac1057 The first racing year, the engine overheated. When we lifted the engine to put it in the self-build car, we found out that the valve in the exhaust was sticking (caused by the crash when the car was wrecked). So a big part of the fumes had to go trough the inlet manifold (you can imagine, it was hot in there) We had a blow-by on cilinder 3, so we lifted the heads, put a new piston in it, honed the engine and new piston rings went in. From that moment, only full throttle. We als had a higher cfm Holley 4 barrel on it. We had a lot's of fun with it and I would like to have 383 engine to put in our Landrover Ninety now with the 215 Rover V8 (also lovely sound).
Not very much loss on this one. I would be buying that thumper carb for that motor. It is a great performer.
Does the Thumper cam leave enough vacuum for power brakes?
@@danmyers9372 , Nick said on the dyno test that there was plenty of vacuum for power brakes.
Headers are a pain in the ass to install but I still prefer them to exhaust manifolds. I can't count the manifolds I have had come back to me cracked! Great comparison though...nice intake!
To each their own! Thanks for watching.
Thanks Nick
383 my favorite Mopar
Dr. Nick, that was sweet, I think that I would go with exhaust manifold on this 383, cheers.
Thanks for watching again, Eric. Glad you like the vids.
@@NicksGarage I have been hear from the start Dr.Nick.👍👍
VERY Impressed with that 383
Nick you need a make up air intake in your dyno room just like restaurant use,so this way you will keep the heat in your garage bro,i know cause i'm a HVAC Sheet metal worker, now retired after 47 years,and now i can watch your great video all the time... have a nice day. ;-)
Man I miss my 383. Strangely it was built inside but I never got around to bolt ons before a drunk pulled out in front of me.
Glad you are ok.
@@NicksGarage my 68 Charger hit his 86 Charger. He lost that battle of irony and although my car was totaled I sold it to a friend who has it back on the road. That 383 was mean though.
Nick read my mind of what I wanted to see, made my day.
Good job on that 383 upgrade Nick. I had a 383 back in the day, but I don't think it ever got close to 1 HP/CI". So I went bigger after that... Then the car howled. Cheers!
Hi Nick Great video, nice build . Like the RPM power! My first 69 Charger had a stock 383 hp auto. Almost lift the wheels in 1st.
For a stock 383, that’s one stout motor! And those manifolds only cost 18 hp on the top end. And only 16 foot pounds of torque. Chrysler has some really good stock manifolds there! The 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner I had with its 483 was only rated at 335 hp at 5200 RPM. And if I remember correctly, 400 ft pounds of torque around 3800 rpm.
Hi Nick this sebastian from Australia warracknabeal love when you do dyno testing it's great also when you do up the cars keep it up
For you and your subscribers look at Cerakote C-Series which is a ceramic air dry paint good to 1800° for headers and exhaust manifolds.
Mornin Mr Nick!! Have a Great Week!!
You too! Thanks Pappy.
Class no bragging just proof here's one of the NICKS garage motors running great
That’s my engine in my charger, it’s getting pretty much rebuilt the same way! Great video!!
the 383 was a real workhorse it was used in many trims and it always was THE engine to beat.
My Gut Feeling on that 383 is that if you just stuck a Vertex Magneto in it, already had a mechanical fuel pump and a manual transmission - that the solid lifter thing would probably take you through a flood, a war and a tornado - then still get you back home.
Very impressive 383 Nick! 👍
I have a little Mopar 5.2 Magnum. Shorty headers and a true dual exhaust system really woke my motor up. I had made the usual keg mod and ignition upgrades. The exhaust made the biggest difference.
It's clear that the owner just wanted a nice, streetable cruiser engine with some punch, and stock appearance. But an opportunity was missed to install a 440 crank with the mains cut down to 383/400 size, along with 440 rods, and MUCH lighter pistons with pins about .780 higher. MUCH more torque, and a smooth idle, and good vacuum too.
I think the opportunity was budget based
@@kevinwoolmer5478 Yes, I'm sure it was. I'd love to bore and stroke my 383 into a low deck 431, but it just ain't in the cards. I just assumed that anyone who could afford a professionally built, Dyno tested engine, could afford a rotating assembly (especially using a factory crank and rods). But maybe not.
good morning Nick and team no grandson this time he gone on march break i was thinking about weight big old cast manifolds are pretty heavy compared to headers have a great week
Good point, Robert.. we forgot to put them on the scales for you.
By going aluminum intake and water pump housing you would offset the weight if you went stock manifold. Paint them and no one would know
We like the way you think..
If the owner has already purchased headers then he should install them. 20 extra horsepower is 20 extra horsepower.
No kidding
Hey George, I want to let you know that you are really doing a great job on Nick's Garage with the videos. You keep on surprising me with the new views . Love the dyno run on the 383 top view and adding the dyno readout is very cool . Plus the new subscribers note with the cars . I know yall put alot of time into to make it better and great viewing. Again just wanted to let you know I see the work and great job George 👏 👍. You take care and Best Regards to you .
Much appreciated, Sarge.
383 WAS EXCELLENT, GOOD RELIABILITY. 1 Thing I would no use ? Is the valve cover cookers.
Cam specs for those curious..
Comp cams xtreme energy flat tappet
224⁰/230⁰@.050"
268⁰/280⁰ advertised
.477"/.480" lift
110⁰ lobe separation angle
I have great respect for the 383, just a great little big block. They made 5 times more 383’s than 440’s, so they were plentiful and cheap, especially every time someone yanked the factory 383 out of their B or E body so they could go with a 440, I’ve been given them for free. I’ll take all you’ve got thanks.
👍1 HP per cube is always awesome
Many of my clients look for 1 HP per cubic inch. Major Payne how are you ?
@@nickpanaritis4122 I’m always feeling blessed especially when the Mopar Rock Star Sir Nick hollers back at me :-) THX! 👍
I miss the 69 Road runner I had. The 383 is a stout engine.
I always had issues with stock manifolds burning off any paint or crackle finish off the valve covers.
Haha when I was ten and built my first 318 by my self just fallowing the tech manual and advice from my old man and installed it in the duster fired it up and it smoked like that 383 I freaked out thought I screwed up bad . The old man chuckled and told me the same thing nick said but I was still worried till it cleaned up for the most part.
Don't you wish we had a dyno to play with when we young Nick? I can still build a Big Mopar in my sleep, small one to without an issue
Can't wait till Friday Night Live !!!!! Everyone be safe and take care.
Because we all know how much Nick likes installing headers! Umm, yeah.... ;-)
Most hot rodders will still go with headers because of the cool sound that comes through their thin walls, especially at idle. You can always tell a car with headers without lifting the hood.
Holy cow! Who gifts a $600 or $700 carburetor to his favorite You Tuber?? That's either incredibly generous, or his ex-wife wanted it! 😆
That 383 was great to see and Nick your great 😃👍. Dennis from.Milwaukee,WI.
Steve Lioliopoulos tuned in from a hot Adelaide Australia
Right on, Steve. Welcome back.
I got the TruRam ramshead stainless steel exhaust manifolds for my 67 Camaro. They are like shorty headers but they won't crack, and you can get to the sparkies and starter.
18 ft. lbs and 22 horsepower difference! 2 tenths in the quarter difference - headers for the win, even on such a mild motor!
Nice video work George. I have all new respect for the 383! Love the show!