Gillian Welch and David Rawlings - Pancho and Lefty (09-27-1997)

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  • Gillian and Dave covering Pancho and Lefty (written by Townes Van Zandt)
    1997-09-27
    Acoustic Stage
    Fireman's Kitchen
    Hickory, North Carolina
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Komentáře • 273

  • @ralfeckert3522
    @ralfeckert3522 Před 2 lety +23

    This is an amazing covering by perfect musicians. This is one of the best songs ever written.

    • @johnkeith2450
      @johnkeith2450 Před 2 měsíci +1

      "Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the world, and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and birthday suit and say that"

  • @thomashermann2785
    @thomashermann2785 Před 3 lety +22

    With all due respect to Townes and Emmylou and everyone else I think this has become my favorite version

    • @russbrownmusic
      @russbrownmusic Před 3 lety +3

      same - that M/F harmony just gives the chorus so much more punch

    • @thomashermann2785
      @thomashermann2785 Před 3 lety +5

      @@russbrownmusic the harmonies are special, as is the tempo and the guitar

    • @oldwobble916
      @oldwobble916 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Mine also.

    • @jonsebastian4823
      @jonsebastian4823 Před měsícem

      Never heard this version before OUCH

  • @jaqmart
    @jaqmart Před 3 lety +17

    David Rawlings' tone is a thing of sheer beauty - great harmonies.

    • @kevinkelley3657
      @kevinkelley3657 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Dave and Gillian both are top end musicians. Love them both. I played clarinet for 8 years in school, there tone and their harmonies are both excellent to my trained ear.

  • @lindaberg1695
    @lindaberg1695 Před 2 lety +14

    What a wonderful rendition of this song. Poignant, heartfelt, sung with mournful sadness. Yes, it's Townes' song, but I feel it is his story, & it's our story. A story of conflict of decision, loneliness, sadness & regret in old age, the acceptance of that which we cannot change. One of the best songs that reveals the soul of a life lived with regrets. A song that never fails to bring tears to my eyes.

  • @mjohnsen7
    @mjohnsen7 Před 12 lety +64

    I played and sang this song for years before it dawned on me what it was about--a classic case of betrayal. They gave Lefty a choice: turn in Pancho, or do hard time. He got his 30 pieces of silver and fled to Ohio (" Where he got the bread to go, there ain't nobody knows") So he sits in his cheap hotel, regretting the choice he made. Brilliant, Townes ( and great version, Gillian and David)

    • @lesberkley3821
      @lesberkley3821 Před 3 lety +1

      Huh? Lefty wasn't around when Pancho was live.

    • @claudioalcara
      @claudioalcara Před 3 lety +5

      Pancho and Lefty are the same person, which is Townes himself. There’s a cool story about this, check it out 🙂

    • @davidgrady1064
      @davidgrady1064 Před 3 lety +1

      Cool. I got from the lyrics that they were brothers, but: both Townes? Seems about right.

    • @claudioalcara
      @claudioalcara Před 3 lety

      @@davidgrady1064 try this 😊 czcams.com/video/bFdGZUsxE-I/video.html

    • @riggs20
      @riggs20 Před 2 lety +2

      @@claudioalcara I’ve always thought this too! I just figured I was wrong because no one else mentioned this theory.
      Mine differs a little from yours though. I think Pancho faked his own death or killed someone in his place. Then he took the name Lefty and fled to Ohio to get away from the federales and his old life of crime.

  • @CertainSongs87
    @CertainSongs87 Před 12 lety +9

    Sad to think Townes had died only 9 months before this. RIP to one of the true songwriters of our time.

  • @ronalda.ortman4759
    @ronalda.ortman4759 Před 4 lety +6

    I have seen them in concert--twice. They are American treasures. Full stop.

  • @MrJOKELL
    @MrJOKELL Před 11 lety +18

    i just cant understand why these two have not gotten more recognition than they have they sure deserve it

    • @tomformanek3312
      @tomformanek3312 Před 3 lety +4

      Requires good taste.

    • @oldwobble916
      @oldwobble916 Před 6 měsíci +2

      The general public does not recognise class if it walks up on them on the side walk and grabs them by the balls. Free quote from the movie "The fabulous Baker Boys".

    • @g00glyelm0
      @g00glyelm0 Před 2 měsíci

      Cause they told the truth

    • @MrJOKELL
      @MrJOKELL Před měsícem

      @@g00glyelm0 I'm sorry what does "they told the truth" mean?

  • @mikec6822
    @mikec6822 Před 9 lety +46

    Gillian's voice has a very calming effect on me. I'd listen to her sing the phone book. She's a beautiful person and it shows through. I had the wonderful opportunity of meeting her once and she was very quiet and unassuming but very polite and friendly.

  • @michaeljenner1795
    @michaeljenner1795 Před 10 lety +23

    I love the way David Rawlings and Gillian Welch sound together. I would not want it any other way. I think their delivery is right on the money every time.

  • @tulliotk1
    @tulliotk1 Před 13 lety +24

    Best version ever. Haunting and manages to nail the harmonies that other greats have failed to get.

    • @tomformanek3312
      @tomformanek3312 Před 3 lety +2

      In your humble opinion of course?

    • @lightaces
      @lightaces Před 2 lety +2

      @@tomformanek3312 Townes Van Zandt's songs are challenging for a lot of people, and his vocal delivery is just about impossible to match. Willie and Merle always seemed too polished, and leaned too hard into the sort of surface cowboy story, without really connecting (to my ear) with the addiction aspects of the story. This really feels like it is leaning into the other side of it, and of course these two play and sing together so brilliantly!

    • @petemarch7225
      @petemarch7225 Před 2 lety

      @@tomformanek3312 yeah shut up

  • @robertamato358
    @robertamato358 Před 7 lety +16

    A powerful and beautiful version of what has to be one of the greatest songs ever written.

  • @mrpual49
    @mrpual49 Před 13 lety +16

    Wow. I always considered the Merle and Willie version to be the definitive take on that song. But I always heard Merle and Willie. With this one, I heard the song. Heartbreaking.

    • @pmichaelsummer
      @pmichaelsummer Před 3 lety +4

      The definitive remains Townes' version, but there are great covers as well (this, and Merle and Willie's).

    • @herrrmike
      @herrrmike Před 3 lety +6

      @@pmichaelsummer Townes's performance in Heartworn Highways is an impossible standard for others to meet.

    • @tomformanek3312
      @tomformanek3312 Před 3 lety +1

      @@herrrmike Oh my. God has spoken to us!
      In my humble opinion of course.

  • @JannoKlufs
    @JannoKlufs Před 14 lety +19

    I'm so amazed about the way that Gillian and David seems to got their own secret notes that sets them apart from... well... all the rest :)

  • @larryc3860
    @larryc3860 Před 2 lety +3

    their talent is self-evident...they'll play ANY song that tickles their fancy....I especially like this slower tempo version of the Townes van Zandt classic

  • @peggylaffan
    @peggylaffan Před 8 lety +29

    Wow! I could also listen to them forever....their voices have soft wavering edges and their harmony is gentle like the unexpected breeze, wavering and trembling. This makes for some powerful music.

  • @orangesabrina1
    @orangesabrina1 Před 10 lety +11

    everything welch & rawlings touch is gold.

  • @danu3247
    @danu3247 Před 13 lety +16

    An incredible version of one of my personal favorites....Thank You Gillian & David, you guys make everything better!

  • @debmills853
    @debmills853 Před 9 lety +20

    This is god-awfully beautiful.

  • @tomformanek3312
    @tomformanek3312 Před 3 lety +3

    What a reverential elegy. Reverance for the great songwriter, but an elegy that captures sadness, waste and loss. What a gorgeous different take.

  • @mjohnsen7
    @mjohnsen7 Před 13 lety +9

    Gillian's vocals are pitch-perfect and David's guitar work is exquisite. Townes Van Zandt would have loved this performance.

  • @robertdowning5439
    @robertdowning5439 Před 9 lety +71

    David Rawlings is a very talented guitarists. I feel that David and Gillian are a match made in heaven.

    • @timandrews5203
      @timandrews5203 Před 9 lety +6

      wrong again, Bob. Gee dubs (that's what I call her) and myself are made for each other. Got it, Bobby boy? huh? Good. Have a mediocre day, and a FABULOUS NIGHT!

    • @EmmaCarlyWillowssecrets2life
      @EmmaCarlyWillowssecrets2life Před 7 lety

      Wonderful to listen to wile your holding your💓💓!!! ....without any kind of doubt your true love ....relaxing n feeling nothing but love come from his breath

    • @meandtiglet
      @meandtiglet Před 6 lety

      I agree wholeheartedly Robert. I love playing along with these guys

    • @kdeltatube
      @kdeltatube Před 3 lety

      They sure are

  • @ladyleesutter
    @ladyleesutter Před 6 lety +11

    So tender and sweet; almost a lullaby, Betcha Townes would've loved hearing them. Their version makes me weep.

    • @river_oak
      @river_oak Před 5 lety

      You know I read that she said he'd go their early gigs in Nashville and encouraged her to write sad songs. Made me really happy to know that.

    • @river_oak
      @river_oak Před 5 lety

      Keep writing sad songs that is.

  • @MarkSWilliams27
    @MarkSWilliams27 Před 4 lety +13

    "The dust that Pancho bit down south, ended up in Lefty's mouth."
    No one ever doing this song has caught that - the way she says, almost sneers "mouth" - just the way Gillian Welch did.
    To say this is the best version of this perfectly written, beautifully performed Townes Van Zandt song is somehow an understatement. What a lesson in the fragility of friendship. And the bitter consequences of betrayal.

    • @frankbrown6305
      @frankbrown6305 Před 4 lety

      Well said

    • @Narkos79
      @Narkos79 Před 3 lety

      Well said💯✖️

    • @cdane7
      @cdane7 Před 2 lety

      I’ve always kind of looked at this song as a meditation on mortality. Pancho gets hung and dies young, but he’s remembered through legend. Lefty survives but fades into obscurity. When he dies no one will remember him. I think the question Townes is asking in this song is which is more preferable? It’s like the Neil Young line, “It’s better to burn out than to fade away”. I think the whole story of the song is sort of a big metaphor for that question. I think people get too hung up on the betrayal aspect of the song. Actually, I think people sometimes get too wrapped up in the story the song tells altogether and misses the deeper meaning. Like I said, I think the story is a metaphor. But that’s just my 2 cents. Dave and Gillian did this song better than just about anyone.

    • @jonsebastian4823
      @jonsebastian4823 Před rokem

      @@cdane7 another great version, but I listen to Emmylou over and over and still rate her as the best I've ever heard.

  • @larryhess8397
    @larryhess8397 Před 11 lety +7

    My band does this song. We will never do it again until we get somewhere close to this arrangement. SUPER!

  • @heatherbrown1880
    @heatherbrown1880 Před 11 lety +5

    my god ,what a beautiful version of this...

  • @lordsuperfred
    @lordsuperfred Před 11 lety +3

    beautiful cover of a great song , Gillian and David are the greatest Americana artists out there , Townes never got recognition when he was alive sadly but he was a great songwriter and a true artist

  • @dennismcconaghy5515
    @dennismcconaghy5515 Před 8 lety +7

    A great version, more peaceful and accepting than most versions.

  • @zecnivo
    @zecnivo Před 8 lety +15

    Beautiful guitar by David. A joy to listen to. Sweet and moving.

  • @JyHiable
    @JyHiable Před 14 lety +16

    I appreciate this interpretation more and more. It glides relaxed without any haste from word to word and from note to note. The listener gets an impression of getting free from the fetters of time.

  • @wadecollier4757
    @wadecollier4757 Před 3 lety +1

    One of my all-time fave songs. What a FANTASTIC version., which I've never heard before. Townes' songs will last forever!

  • @briencarr3394
    @briencarr3394 Před 5 lety +2

    Daves guitar style is incredible. Gillian and he match up so well.

  • @sistersmusic184
    @sistersmusic184 Před 6 lety +5

    Favourite version of this song. Other than the Townes heartworn highways version. They sing it with the conviction of having written it.

  • @PforPanchetta
    @PforPanchetta Před 12 lety +10

    First time I've heard this version. Holy Smokes(!), this is REALLY RIDICULOUSLY GOOD !!!!! LOVE Townes, Gillian and Dave. The three combined make for something special. Thanks for posting this!
    ... And Dave's soulful subtle solos here: WOW! And yes, Gillian and Dave really have this gift for doing incredible covers. This might actually be my favorite, even though it's the first time I've heard it.
    Somewhere Townes is smiling ... and proud and moved.
    Simply Beautiful !!!!!

  • @TheTXer
    @TheTXer Před 7 lety +47

    Townes would have loved this

  • @michaeljones5706
    @michaeljones5706 Před 2 lety +1

    Every now and then, something beautiful comes out of heaven...

  • @lwhowell4387
    @lwhowell4387 Před 5 lety +4

    Perfect and Beautiful.

  • @mdogg1604
    @mdogg1604 Před 8 lety +7

    Another beautiful rendition of an awesome song; kinda like seeing several vintage cars of the same make and model, but painted differently

  • @Solembaum1
    @Solembaum1 Před 12 lety +19

    This masterfully rendered version lures me into a dream-like state- where I appreciate the complex and unapologetic imperfection of David Rawling's harmonies in counterpart with his impeccable lead guitar- and Gillian's simple and believable down-home vocal style. Not many songs can carry on for 7:13 like this one. Excellent work!

  • @robertwheeler9767
    @robertwheeler9767 Před 9 lety +8

    I guess its a question of taste --- I think they are great --- I've seen them live a few times --- I could listen to them forever :)

  • @RobbyEL
    @RobbyEL Před 13 lety +6

    wow. Love this song. didn't think it could be covered. I was wrong. But then David Rawlings is a genius.

    • @johnanderson1038
      @johnanderson1038 Před 4 lety +3

      But the most famous version is a cover?

    • @mrbadexample7702
      @mrbadexample7702 Před 3 lety

      @@johnanderson1038 Right - I doubt the percentage of people who've heard the TvZ version is a small percentage.

  • @BaahBen
    @BaahBen Před 6 lety +3

    Love her voice. Very distinctive. Good cover of a great song.

  • @nikobranka
    @nikobranka Před 9 lety +6

    David Rawlings...fantastic guitar picking....

  • @alyoshakaramazov8469
    @alyoshakaramazov8469 Před rokem

    Nobody makes me nostalgic for my old-folkie days as much as Gillian Welch does.

  • @perchristoffersen1
    @perchristoffersen1 Před 9 lety +7

    really a fine cover - nice vocal feeling and moody guitar play

  • @paulanuszkiewicz7704
    @paulanuszkiewicz7704 Před 5 lety +4

    Exquisitely beautiful cover.

  • @progmushroom
    @progmushroom Před 3 lety +1

    Best country song Ever

  • @babylamb25b
    @babylamb25b Před 11 lety +2

    Pop quiz: If the earth is spinning at the rate of ~1000 miles per hour, how far have we come in that seven minutes and thirteen seconds? This is one of the greatest things that these two have ever performed, and thank God someone was there to record it.

  • @m.l.3150
    @m.l.3150 Před 4 lety +2

    BEST VERSION OF THIS SONG BY FAR!!!!!!

  • @terrydownes8425
    @terrydownes8425 Před 6 lety +2

    Beautiful version of this great song x

  • @shakeAbooty88
    @shakeAbooty88 Před rokem +1

    Best song ever written.

  • @caramason56
    @caramason56 Před 3 lety +1

    Absolutely beautiful 😊🎶❤️😊🎶❤️

  • @crobarus
    @crobarus Před 6 lety +1

    I always liked this song . Now I love it

  • @poettomm
    @poettomm Před 11 lety +1

    So very well sayed, JyHiable - "an impression of getting free from the fetters of time." - such a gift of their performance!
    I LOVE Gillian's tiny sigh at .02 -the very beginning (that is her letting slip the fetters of time, preparing to Join with David in performance) free."

  • @antonmartens84
    @antonmartens84 Před 12 lety +2

    beautifull voice(s), beautifull guitar playing.
    david & gillian are the best.....
    thanks for posting

  • @philipenright1258
    @philipenright1258 Před 3 lety

    Thank you.God bless you in all your ways!
    Philip

  • @bshakespeare100
    @bshakespeare100 Před 11 lety +1

    I love these two. Gillian and David are just about the best

  • @wilsonrains
    @wilsonrains Před 8 lety +3

    pancho & lefty is golden music

  • @bolt_vanderrhuuge5193
    @bolt_vanderrhuuge5193 Před 3 měsíci

    This and Steve Earle's version are the best covers of Towne's song. Haunting.

  • @jimallen8
    @jimallen8 Před 3 lety +1

    David Rawlings guitar is like a soft rippling stream glittering in the sun.

  • @oldwobble916
    @oldwobble916 Před 6 měsíci

    Pity, it's only a still. I wish this concert was available somewhere. Great song and performing duo.

  • @gasmeter1947
    @gasmeter1947 Před 11 lety

    Enough said about this don't you think, dont want the readers to get bored, thank you both.

  • @adm552
    @adm552 Před 3 lety

    Amazing, soulful interpretation of this famous song. Something special about this version.

  • @toby071
    @toby071 Před 9 lety +10

    She's got a great voice and he's a superb guitar player..nice cover.

    • @angliase
      @angliase Před 7 lety

      fh horn
      Not a cover - their song - they wrote it!

    • @zidek50
      @zidek50 Před 7 lety

      angliase Townes van zandt

    • @lroxanne
      @lroxanne Před 7 lety +1

      They did not write it. Townes wrote it.

    • @crobarus
      @crobarus Před 6 lety

      She would have been a big star back when phony looks didn't mean everything. Now it's Carrie Underwood. Give me a break.

  • @luketdrifter2100
    @luketdrifter2100 Před 11 lety +2

    I enjoyed this. I don't enjoy many Townes covers.

  • @andynicholson6320
    @andynicholson6320 Před 5 lety

    love this. Saw them do this many years ago. Brings back a lot of memories. I've changed a lot since those days but this song remains and it's haunting and lovely. Townes would have loved this

  • @berniesbluesbar312
    @berniesbluesbar312 Před 8 lety +5

    Musik kann so schön sein

  • @cultwho
    @cultwho Před 12 lety +1

    It's definitely a subtle, unique feeling to their version of it. A gentle but powerful solemness they way Rawling's melody on the guitar fits with Welch's voice singing the lyrics. They make it sound like Townes Van Zandt wrote it to be sung with a female voice.

  • @bazthehandyman
    @bazthehandyman Před 4 lety +1

    Fabulous...as you would expect.

  • @ClaudioScarpakinks49
    @ClaudioScarpakinks49 Před 15 lety +1

    Hi Friends! Many thanks for this great cover of my love Townes van Zandt. You are wonderful! Many thanks from Rome!. Claudio.

  • @Tigrebleau1
    @Tigrebleau1 Před 11 lety

    No one cares what or whom you trust. Just enjoy the unbelievably great music.

  • @cefdad
    @cefdad Před 15 lety

    My favorite version (cover) of one of the finest song ever I have ever heard. Thankks for posting!!

  • @GambeonPark
    @GambeonPark Před 11 lety +2

    Love it, love it - a beautifully tender version of this song, very subtle, goes right through me. It brings back so many memories....

  • @davegerardmusic
    @davegerardmusic Před 10 lety +3

    Fabulous version.

  • @stuarttaff144
    @stuarttaff144 Před 12 lety +1

    thanks for posting this. I've been following Gillian and David's work since '97, and have never heard them cover any of Townes' work.

  • @scottaldridge7888
    @scottaldridge7888 Před 8 lety +1

    Flipping Fantastic !

  • @johnelliott5859
    @johnelliott5859 Před 3 lety

    This is a wonderful version of a great TVZ song.

  • @graciousfew
    @graciousfew Před rokem

    Wow, just beautiful.

  • @boils2
    @boils2 Před 13 lety

    Bo,Will. Dirt and Rocky - Never forgotten. When you guys said goodbye my heart was left empty. See you again some day. Green fields and sun I hope.

  • @reprawt777
    @reprawt777 Před 6 měsíci

    Well done 10🎸🎸🎸.Thomas

  • @alanbodell2050
    @alanbodell2050 Před 7 lety +2

    This is just lovely.

    • @EnosEverything
      @EnosEverything Před 7 lety +2

      Yes it's quite lovely but in all honesty it isn't a patch on the version Emmylou Harris did on one of her 70's album - I think it was LUXURY LINER but I'm not certain... That is one hell of a version of this great song.

    • @kerthgersen3163
      @kerthgersen3163 Před 7 lety

      True. (and it was Luxury Liner. That was beautiful. So's this though.

  • @davidjed6948
    @davidjed6948 Před 2 lety

    I would aspire too this level of talent.

  • @bigcmcg1
    @bigcmcg1 Před 6 lety +1

    wonderful!

  • @adders45
    @adders45 Před 11 lety

    thats very poetic - im a not very talented singer songwriter, but I am so happy to have recently discovered Davis Rawlings, I cannot find anything wrong with his tones, there are a couple of mistakes in live playing, but for christ sake he is human and as musicians, we all hit bum notes. I'v been playing a tiny bit with his style, it's a bloody killer, in truth he is in my mind, brilliant - we could get perfection with computers but god that would be really dull in truth.

  • @GregoryWeirauch
    @GregoryWeirauch Před 5 lety

    My Favorite cover of this Townes Van Zandt jem.

  • @derfunkhaus
    @derfunkhaus Před 3 lety +2

    People in a recording studios labor for weeks, using 64 tracks, twiddling knobs on compressors and limiters, adjusting this and that, splicing this take into that take, all to try to simulate something close to the sound and the feeling created by Gillian and David in this live recording.

    • @pmichaelsummer
      @pmichaelsummer Před 3 lety

      Is it a live recording, or an out take?

    • @derfunkhaus
      @derfunkhaus Před 3 lety +1

      @@pmichaelsummer The info on the video identifies this as a live recording from September 27, 1997 at Hickory, NC. My ears tell me that that info is correct.
      FWIW an "outtake" is a track which was recorded but not selected to be included on an album, and could be either a live recording or a studio recording.

  • @rodthecod
    @rodthecod Před 12 lety

    @mjohnsen7 Wow! I've listened to it for years and never knew that. Thanks so much. This is indeed a great version. And Dave's guitar playing is just exquisite.

  • @tordevensen5403
    @tordevensen5403 Před 8 lety

    Thanks!

  • @stargazer6675
    @stargazer6675 Před 6 lety

    Great musicians, beautiful

  • @TIGERSDFW
    @TIGERSDFW Před 10 lety +13

    hickory ? hell that is right up the road from me, I don't remember what I was doing sept.27 1997, but I know what I should have been doing. I should have been in hickory

    • @theodoresmith4523
      @theodoresmith4523 Před 10 lety

      Excellent, Cainen; right you are.

    • @chhaze25
      @chhaze25 Před 10 lety

      About the same Cainen, juust a couple miles for me too. No clue where I was but there I should've been, like too many close-by show since I've had to pass on. The few I have made were always that much more worth it though.

  • @shimmy1952
    @shimmy1952 Před 14 lety

    Very beautiful and peaceful.

  • @gordonat39
    @gordonat39 Před 13 lety +9

    I love Emmylou's version, but this one's devastating..

  • @ziemo1965
    @ziemo1965 Před 6 lety +1

    wow Townes forever

  • @sireugenecourtney5797
    @sireugenecourtney5797 Před 5 lety +1

    It's a shame 480p isn't very clear on a big screen TV. This version is very good and so is Emmylou Harris's version way back before the turn of the Millennium century where we didn't have the luxury of you tube. Like in the 1970s when broadcast TV disappointed many of us.

  • @johnrichard8235
    @johnrichard8235 Před 7 měsíci

    amazing!

  • @Scotsgrey13
    @Scotsgrey13 Před 5 lety

    Great cover!

  • @aloiseibel9354
    @aloiseibel9354 Před 5 lety

    absolut geil.was ist da schon ein volks rockn roller

  • @johndevinenjsongwriter6011

    Wow, the slow tempo provides the desolate emotional space of this song. What an awesome version. Seems to me their sound on this song is a precursor to the style of the Milk Carton Kids.

    • @lindsayheywood7195
      @lindsayheywood7195 Před rokem

      Agreed! Dave Rawling’s style reminds me very much of the Milk Carton Kids.

    • @JamesWalker-ky5yr
      @JamesWalker-ky5yr Před rokem

      I've seen Gillian and MCK several times, the kids seem influenced by Gillian and David, maybe not with the writing chops, though.

  • @chinnmusic
    @chinnmusic Před 14 lety

    THIS IS THE BEST VERSION

  • @DavidVerbout
    @DavidVerbout Před 12 lety

    That makes it all the better.