If Russia did invade: How far would the West go to support Ukraine?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 17. 01. 2022
- How strong is the West's resolve when it comes to Ukraine? A steady diet of diplomacy so far failing to lift the uncertainty over Vladimir Putin's true intentions when it comes to those 100-thousand troops amassed at the border.
After Kiev, Germany's new foreign minister in Moscow this Tuesday. What does Annalena Baerbock bring to the table. She is a Green in a coalition led by the Social Democrats. How far will Olaf Scholz push? Will the new chancellor - seen here at NATO headquarters - ultimately green light the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline that bypasses Ukraine and links Russia to Western Europe via his predecessor's home constituency on the Baltic Sea? How hard will Germany and the rest of the EU come down in case of another Russian invasion?
That depends on Washington's resolve: with most international transactions in dollars, would the US treasury go so far as to freeze Russia out of the system? What contingencies has the Kremlin made in case the nuclear option plays out? In the end, can Vladimir Putin bypass the yankee dollar?
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âWar is young men dying and old men talkingâ
â Franklin D. Roosevelt
@Hedylogos&1978 funny comment for today.
@Hedylogos&1978 it is true
@Hedylogos&1978lol i just read like: now young men are gay, we hope old men to do so
Exactly, let the old talking men go to war. They should leave our children learn how to live with each other
"War is a matter for the young, a cure for wrinkles"
- Victor Tsoi
Oh man Iâm from Russia. In every family we have fallen in WWII. My grandmother saw how her 5yo brother died from a hunger during the war.
In Russia No one wants a new war, because everybody knows the true suffering from this madness
war - the biggest crime against humans rights, the biggest
Its not the people its the governments people unite governments divide one world one people đđŒđ€đŒđđŒ
our culture in the US is very similar friend, at least for those over 40+ years of age. I've met fine people from Russia, China, Ukraine and many other countries. The People seldom want to fight anyone but our governments are not worthy of trust. I understand what you say here and I agree. Peace to you friend.
Yes my friend. Many of us in the US also don't want war. We want global peace and prosperity. Our "leaders" pit us against each other and make us spill our precious blood for their plots.
Tell your government
I think Russia should just not invade a country that doesn't want to be invaded. Sure, you can say the same thing about the United States but ISIS WAS in Afghanistan
I like how these financial CEO's are all in to go to war. Perhaps they will send their own sons, instead of mine ...
Right!!! I wish these army recruiters would stay out of our childrenâs schools trying to get them to sign up to kill and die for the greedy FN rich!!!!!!!!!
We either fight little idiots like Putin while theyâre tiny or let them build power like Hitler and then engage in a massive world war later.
bankers and such make $$$$ from war, of course they are all in to go to war. read "War is a Racket" by General Smedley Butler.
Nobody is forcing your child to go war. Educate your child, and if they still want to join, then you know thatâs itâs your child intention and not some conspiracy theory thatâs making him a soldier.
@@blackmamba___ Ever heard of the draft? Or a country running out of soldiers and drafting anyone of fighting age? Open a history book
It's funny how everybody decides what to do with Ukraine except Ukraine...
well that's how it was with Roamania to and also Hungary and all this smaller contryes ..
I think Ukraine decided Russia should get the heck out of their country.
LOL you must be new here, Ukrainian's have been fighting with Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine since 2015.
@@UnpluggedDiesel 2014
@@DralhaEureka how abouth russians that are ucranian citisens ?
I really wish people would stop calling every sanction "the nuclear option" when talking about a conflict with Russia when there are actual nuclear options
they should never be considered no matter what country is being attacked
Russia couldn't care less about so called sanctions. These will, sadly, backfire more than RVSN could. West doesn't have monopoly any longer - any amount of gas will be consumed by China and any amount of goods will reach Russia through them.
Especially when they will be fighting in the Chernobyl radiated zone.
Russia will never nuke Ukraine for one simple reason: *_IF THEY USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST UKRAINE ALL THE RADIATION WILL REACH RUSSIA IN A FEW DAYS!_*
@@bruno2333 buy maybe anyone who helps the Ukraine?
I wish we didn't use the phrase "nuclear option" so whimsically in matters involving actual nuclear states.
its called reality son war is a mofo
I totally agree with you. If Iran can withstand having everything and the kitchen sink thrown at them sanctions wise what chance do we have to stop the Russians?
I'm with you but, for many, talk-talk is just free-of-charge.
@@johnnyvonjoe they'll stop themselves.
Just like ww2 they'll fumble and bumble and quickly fall apart
But should still be taken seriously and crushed
@@cameronbell415 you do remember the Russians got to Berlin first right?
Does anybody else is watching this to see how it all began in retrospective?
The pipeline shouldnât be dragged into this, but the innocent civilians should?!
its so dumb, I feel sorry for Ukraine as they are stuck in the middle
That's what sanctions will do also. Always.
this is the essence of war to me. Capitalism doesnât suffer but the people always will
Those innocent civilians need gas - unless you're off-grid, of course.
Want globalist products? deal with globalist chess .. with your life, occasionally.
@@luciaferreiro9254 it has nothing to do with capitalism
France to Ukraine: If I were you, I would surrender.
While you collect your 50c I will ask the French for a spare De Luxe railway carriage. Dose Russia or China really want to kick off WW3? They would loose!
@@RobinPhillips1957 doubt
@@user-wx4nv8xr3d NO doubt! Russia has more balls and experience than the PLA mannequins, however both survived the second world war thanks to the USA and UK! Before you say "NO" do some research. UK-Murmansk convoys, USA-UK-Murmansk convoys, everything from Spitfires to gold.(Added) China(Nationalists, not Mao) beat the Japanese, thanks to the 1) Flying Tigers, 2) UK Burma RAF flying supplies over the "Hump"!
@@gyanendrakumar2350 France has relatively long history of treason, turning back on allies and shady stuff. It's a joke.
@@RobinPhillips1957 your English is horrible, are you Chinese?
Does nobody read history any more? For as long as it has existed as a coherent state, Russia's foreign policy has had two objectives - absolutely secure borders to the south and west, and actual ownership of warm-water ports. The only factor that has ever prevented or delayed Russia's drive towards both those objectives was its own internal weakness. "Secure borders" does not mean merely defensible frontiers. It means actual borders as far west as can be contrived, AND buffer states, preferably puppets, on those borders. Actual enemies - members of NATO - on its real borders are simply unacceptable to Russia. "Unacceptable" means "not going to happen, no matter what". And that's where we are.
100% correct observation
Exactly !
The biggest problem:
Our politicians dont read your comment, nor would they understand.
Yep. When China finishes purchasing the remainder of the US....Mexico & Canada will have the same issue.
The rest of the uninformed donât get in. But you do đđ»
But Baltic States are in NATO and they are Russia's neighbors
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I find it odd how Mongolia never comes up. One of the poorest, most destitute countries in the world that lies between Russia and China. They are begging to be annexed because they desperately need help but neither Russia nor China want it.
Bring back Mongolian empire
Mongolia was in a sphere of influence of USSR but they proved to be an economically useless region that needed an economic donorship. And since Russia and China at a moment are in a mutual cooperative relationships there is zero strategic importance of Mongolia (at least for now)
Where is your source to claim that Mongolia "begs to be annexed" ?
Because, Mongolia is a buffer. It helps maintain the peace between both nations. Also, historically strangely enough both China and Russia were once united under the Mongolian banner.
You're right. "Back in the day", if China has annexed Mongolia, they would have chanced a conflict with the Russians (Soviet Union) since the mongols helped them in WW2 against the Japanese, but today, that's obviously not an issue.
Despite the rhetoric, few if any outside parties would be willing to support Ukraine with Troops if Russia invaded. A direct military confrontation with Russia by NATO and/or the U.S. carries the risk of the situation rapidly spinning out of control.
You would think the west wouldâve learned after constantly appeasing Germany in the years leading up to WW2
The risk of escalating quickly, thus the West not wanting to escalate further - this is exactly what Russia is counting on to happen. It's happened in the past several times when NATO, or the EU, or the US just take a step back and use "words" and nothing else. Which Russia ignored because they knew these were empty words. It's time to escalate the show of force with an even larger show of force - and be ready to quickly escalate that show of force even more without any hesitation. If an enemy gets use to pushing and pushing as far as it can get away with, without ever facing any real resistance - then of coarse they will continue to do it over and over again. The reality is this... The US and its military are no longer split and spread across multiple simultaneous wars (Iraq and Afghanistan). All our troops are reunited back to being one force and free to concentrate and project all its might anywhere - as well as being flooded with more money and new technologies (or upgraded prior generation tech that is now more lethal). Its time that the US and NATO flood into Ukraine with quick, unmistakable resolve - and use the same untruthful tactics that Russia uses all the time. By dishonestly calling it a "friendly military exercise at the invitation of Ukraine." While also saying NATO and the US are not part of the exercises - and childishly painting over NATO and US emblems on uniforms and equipment (just like Russia did when it invaded Crimea). Show that two can play that same game, and make Russia swallow its own effing medicine. If NATO and the US don't step up with total conviction - then why ever claim to be a super power or a recognized world organization. Its time to kick "The Bear" in the balls. And after that, time to punch "The Dragon" in the face too.
Yea like that whole forming of the Soviet Union thing after world war 2
@@republicanelephant7011 the Soviet Union was formed before WW2. The iron curtain and Soviet sphere of influence happened after.
The soviets enabled Germany they even had planned ahead of time to split Poland
so basically, just let Russia invade whomever. nice try, Putin.
First Europe is going to discuss the issue, during which we we will strongly condemn Russia for their actions. After the discussions are done and we are in agreement we will conclude that we should have done something 5 years ago when Russia invaded Ukraine.
true, with these incompetent cowards EU will end up in a war with Russia very quickly...
Well if the USA and the western allies did nothing then Russia will be empowered. They have to get involved.
Ya, like America cared or did $hit when Russia invaded the Crimea. Wanker.
@@davidlynch9049 Sanctions. Unless if you want war of course.
@@davidlynch9049 lol. âWankerâ
Here in America you can already hear the war drum starting to beat.
One thing that I've read over and over again in these comment sections is that the majority of the people don't want war. Most Americans have no ill feelings towards the Russians.
Try not to let these out of touch wealthy politicians get us hating Each other for reasons only they will ever truly know.
I refuse to allow propaganda to get me hating people that I have more in common with than not.
nice try putin
Its all political agenda and greed my friend..
I totally agree, Iâve got friends over there and have no ill feelings towards Russia. This isnât the Cold War, Russia isnât the nation we should be worrying about and Iâm afraid when these bureaucrats in DC get us into an actual war itâs not going to end well for anyone especially us.
The thing is, it doesn't matter how you feel about Russian people. It's all about their government, same with China. Chinese people are fine, their government is insane. I wouldn't expect Biden to do anything either.
@IB Garage Russian people dont want war but Putin want.
Have we not learnt from history. War in Europe never ends well and comes at a heavy cost to the world.
Humans have learned nothing since the 1st civilization. Not the leaders, nor the soldiersâŠitâs the citizens who suffers the most. This statement has held true throughout history.
If not for my stocks, I wouldn't give a sh if Europe had wars. But since the stock market would collapse, I wouldn't want that. đ€Ł
Richtig...alles aufgebaut. Kaputt machen.....hura???
Crazy thought: maybe we shouldn't make ourselves dependent on our enemies. Maybe we shouldn't give them leverage to use against us whenever they want.
I could not agree more. Seems very foolish.
Germany KNEW what it was doing. Merkel knew what she was doing.
woah there buddy, are you saying we should actually THINK about the consequences of our actions?!?!
It's geography and phisical distribution of resources. 300 years of European warfare explain this. EU should have considered a confederation treaty with Russia 30 years ago. It was a missing opportunity.
I assume we're talking about Nord stream pipelines
The argument when a nation gets aggressive of âthey need a distraction from domestic issuesâ is so elementary
Yeah people dying in a war is preferable to dying of covid? I doubt everyone thinks so.
Regardless it is still one used today.
Because it is elementary political strategy. Especially for totalitarian and dictatorial regimes.
@@GFY11 They just left Afghanistan, the Americans need an excuse to invade Ukraine next.
And we all know which country has been the most aggressive since WW2. Death toll currently at around 12,000,000 in conflicts NOT on america's doorstep and financial gain, (to the few), immeasurable.
The only time the term "nuclear option" isn't meant as a metaphor is when discussing actual global geo-politics. C'mon, man!
yeah, how is that a pun?!
I thought the exact same thing. This isn't a joke. That's the problem, people these days think nuclear war is a fairytale story that will never happen.
If the last few years have thought us anything is that it can happen.
Look at brexit, look at trumps election, the pandemic. These things can happen. Shouldn't be joking about it in this situation
for real
Imagine youre in the middle of a battlefield and you hear "remember to stay 6 feet apart!"
or keep your mask on
Yep and don't forget to get the Vax and pay more taxes
Lmfao
Best comment on the thread!
@@MrGsxrme Yeah, our soldiers get pumped with vaccines from their first moment in uniform, and no one has any issue with those. Only the COVID vaccine (of course) in the era of the looney GQP, lol.
Germany in 2003, no war for oil.
Germany in 2022, ok on war because we need gas.
If only there was abundantly developed nuclear power to provide power for clean electric alternative energy that wasn't shut down in a knee-jerk reaction to a rare disaster in a dar away country.
it turns out that the US is pushing Germany to war , preventing the launch of Nord Stream 2 ? because Nord stream 2 will make it possible to get cheap gas from Russia
Murica does what it knows best.. đ€
@@user-bi1yl2bh6q That's all of it! The USA wants to sell their LNG and sludge oil to Europe. It has nothing to do Ukraine.
@@karlheinzvonkroemann2217 Yes, I know that. but at the same time, the United States also buys oil and lng in Russia. a little but they buy ..... so they want to cash in on Europe. and Biden himself earns in Ukrainian transit and muddy schemes , and hunter was just there for show
How can you call this a "Debate" when all of your guests are one and against Russia? This is laughable !
Probably because the only people on the side of Russia live in Moscow.
It was not a debate its show to defame other nations when even the invasion has not even taken place XD
Its a complete defaming show
@@pilot7977 US always say it more polite such "Preemted accusation".
Americans are very nationalistic. So they take the side of their peers against a common enemy quicker than they choose to think
@@ralls946 americans are warmongerings, a country that steals resourcer, just that
Anyone here just after Russia invaded đ
Yep.... đŹđ
Yeah
*Me Planning 2022 To Be The Best Year Ever.
*Russian Invasion: I'm Bout To Ruin This Woman's Whole Career .
Are you fighting on the frontlines?
Plot twist: Russia invades Taiwan and China invades Ukraine o_O
Itâs thier secret plan!
Western countries will fight in Africa, middle east and every other country except Taiwan and Ukraine.
Ever seen that film 'Horrible Bosses'?
"Vladimir Putin's true intentions" ? France 24 how do you know his intentions ? Have you spoken with him , or just pulling sentences out of your arse ?
U do realize u can figure people's true intentions without them having to tell u. Use context clues my guy
@@Kp-dy4ck Heâs from Mississippi bro so heâs got four eyes but canât see.
well, Putin is smaller than the average height of women in Europe so its really hard to be on his level and see his intentions :D
@@CanVultus that's ohio
@@nicholasdelacruz3491 Itâs Mississippi, his username? the four Iâs? Youâre not a bright crayon are you? You seem pretty dullâŠ
Prayers for Ukraine Russia just invaded.
This reminds me of the annexation of the Sudetenland in WW2, where Czechoslovakia wasn't invited in talks regarding THEIR LANDS.
My thoughts exactly
It worked back then - why not now?
Watching all this looks like a bunch of high school mean girls making threats to each other to get their way.
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Not all schools are full of Hollywood actresses.
And they look very afraid almost crying.
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Putin is 'like' a high school girl?! lol
Where did you go to high school - in Stalingrad?
Cutting RU off from SWIFT will simply accelerate the movement to abandon the petrodollar.
And none of them here will say that đ and they know it
When the Germans cannot pay for Russia gas through SWIFT, Russia will cut off all gas to Germany. No gas then hyper inflation. Pay the heavy price Germany.
@@MrWebster... Another reason to abandon the petrodollar..
@@MrWebster RIP Russia
@@MrWebster they can aquire gas from USA or the Middle East. The gas is just more expensive which will cause a bit of inflation but nothing unmanageable.
How long will Russia last without selling that gas?
"If", the favourite word of the journalism, lobbying and PR industries.
what else are they supposed to say? we arenât at war yet thatâs why they need to say âifâ
Most Eastern European countries simply cannot afford to be cut off of the Russian gas supply, because their population would freeze in the winter. They will import Russian gas and oil, no matter what.
They have agreement with Russia, and Putin say he won't let them down. He not using gas for terror. He respect others.
We buy flued gas in America and zend it here with boat - im from Netherlands
@@NOS1969 Costs three times as much as delivering it through pipelines, plus much more damaging to the environment.
@@NOS1969 And Germany doesn't have a single regasification plant. If they go to a conflict with Russia they wouldn't have electricity or heating, in winter.
Not if Biden had not lifted sanctions on Nordstream2 and cancelled the Keystone pipeline.
12:21 Don't use those words to describe anything that isn't nuclear. You're trivializing something which should stand apart for it's pure horror. Don't invoke the spectate of mass death, because you want to put emphasis on the severity of an economic sanction.
If my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle.
but sausage in the hole sounds so much better
If grandmother had balls she would be a grandfather
Thank you!
Very enlightening views from all participants!
Great debate. And Cragg; please donât refrain from personal opinions. We like to hear what you think.
Melindaâs background knowledge is comprehensive and informative. đ
The world is looking more like the 1930s we just need a economic crisis to have things get out of control I could be wrong which I pray I am.
I think the economic challenges since 2008 are driving the problems.
@@volbound1700 dnc/muller claim russia hack election, but wesley clark says all of them 2007 want to kill iraq to syria, so much wasted taxes just to do migrant crisis EU=7 country 5 years pentagon memo
I think the covid 19 pendamic has already cause an economic crisis
@@gamernabil yeah, it's great timing by both Russia and China. Hmm...
Ya, I don't think we need anymore of an "economic crisis" thanks ...
How amazing it is to see a panel of super intelligent people for 40 minutes point a finger at Russia but are totally đŻ % oblivious to how many fingers point back at them.
Indeed it's hilarious. America didn't want a Russian military base in Cuba, why would Russia want a Nato one in Ukraine. Nato and EU expansion into more former Eastern bloc countries have been a clear no go consistently by Russia since at least 2008 (Nato summit whereby expansion was declared). These idiots just parroting nonsense and not factual history....as always (even if they don't realise they are doing it). It's not a complicated situation and could be de-escalated with a simple guarantee, besides the real emerging problem is in the East
Bravo! From Russia.đđđ·đș
Russia: Wants Ukraine to stay out of Nato.
Russia: Annexes Crimea.
Ukraine: Nato sounds like a good option right now.
I'm not sure the word annex is a fair reflection of the events,Crimea opted for Russia,not a shot fired,no protest just fair and peaceful elections,far far more peaceful than the US election that brought in sleepy Joe..the collective west's man of the year lol!
@@user-fz6pd8xu4c You tell'em boss you tellem .
@@adolphusdemadema 4 ukrainian soldiers died during invasion, and there were no ukrainian officials or international observers during so called "referendum".
Keep your kremlin fairy tales to yourself.
France n Germany are two pillars in Europe, why can't these two countries together stand up and discuss with Russia, its about peace or war zone in Europe, instead of letting US/UK to orchiestry?
Because the militaries of France and Germany... Along with the United Kingdom and the rest of Europe are a joke. Russia could walk through Europe in 6 months without the U.S.
The same goes for the militaries of the Asia Pacific nations worried about China. The United States makes up 70- 80% of the defense of the free world. I'm in favor of withdrawing from every defense treaty that obligates our military to fight outside the western hemisphere.
Discuss of what? Russia won t invade Ukrainia except if NATO and USA push them to do it. We don t want war we don t want usa troops in EU. Only Americans needs war and blood. Stay in your ruined country guys and donât come to EuâŠ
that's exactly what Macron suggested
Shane, europes military is the same size as usa. Not even half the geo size of usa true but combined it is similar size...
Remeber sweden is an allie. Uk has lots of allies in commonwealth regardless of propoganda so do the french and even the germans .
Usa has quite a few as well .
Hopefully everyone together can stop war?
Phil Mills whara joke!
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
I can't imagine the US going to war against Russia
i cant imagine Russia going to war with the USA.
@@gerard5697 USA would be destroyed in no time when China joins in
@@gerard5697 wait until russia and china do freedom of navigation exercices at the US coast;-)
@@DBTHEPLUG CHINA?!?!? PAPER TIGER? You dont even know how to battle. You guys have dance offs at the top of 17k feet. đ€Ł
Best analogy I heard about Russia Usa war:
Two mad people standing near gasoline filled pool. Russian madman reaches for a pocket and gets three matches out:"eat that american fool".
American reaches for pocket, gets 4 matches and a zippo lighter: " I have more and my technology is more advanced!"
Let's go Brandon!
Well, that Moron Trump didn't help. He was too busy trying to get BJs from Putin. Let's give Brandon a shot.
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America freezes dollar transactions in Russia
Russians: We'll just use Euros.
But also there is much Russian money tied up as investments in EU, which can easily be frozen.
Jai Hinduja. Russian children will starve and died from lack of medical supplies.
@@ecurb10 france germany and italy are actually fed up with american warmongering between ukraine and russia. Once nord stream 2 pipeline is certified (wich it will) germany gets gas from russia directly, by-passing ukraine pipelines wich it will then get not any transit fees anymore. after germany has freed itself from american forcing its will upon them, they can negotiate with moscow directly and can implement the MINSK agreement between ukraine and the donetsk republic.
@@lexburen5932 EU is a balancing act betweem Russia and US. But neither party are truly benelovent. Not US nor Russia.
A lot of this falls into the fact that the USA currently has a weak president. President Biden, who can hardly remember the names of his cabinet members and answer questions very vaguely. Putin sees this.
36:50 "Germany has traditionally been a sort of moderating power in Europe". Hahahahahaha
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build more gas pipelines so Russians have a very well financed army when they invade east Berlin to restore borders from 1945
Previ0us t0 w0rId war tw0 maybe!
@@skyjuiceification so you think that in the Second World War Germany was a moderating power in Europe?
This is very informative. Thank you.
U.S is getting involved and yet the U.S is falling apart economy is a disaster the state i live in is falling apart
As far as we went to prevent Cuba being used as a missile outpost for Russia. We didn't like it then even though Cuba is sovereign. Why should Russia like it now? Yet we pretend we don't understand their concern
What country was attacked by NATO like the Ukraine, Georgia etc. were by Russia? Russia is the aggressor that already occupies Crimea and the eastern part of the Ukraine.
Funny thing is, the USSR put missiles in Cuba because NATO put its missiles within close range of the USSR
@@kimjong-un2318 well, you could argue Yugoslavia was
This is nothing like Cuba missile crisis. No one is talking about stationing nuclear weapons within Ukrainian borders should they get accepted into NATO. Hell, in eyes of the Ukrainians, NATO membership is one of two ways to ensure that Russia stops undermining their soverignity, the other one of course being initiating its own nuclear program. Ukraine was invaded twice in 2014 and all of these 'concerns' will not stop until Russia has full control over Ukraine.
@@thepowerofwill2696 Sorry, but you're wrong. From the Russian perspective, this would be EXACTLY like the Cuban crisis. There is no doubt whatsoever, that America wants to increase the number of missile bases surrounding Russia, (and China), under the assumption that they're the worlds #1 power, whatever the consequences. When it comes down to it, it's always about the same old thng, GREED.
We know for sure that Germany will not lift a finger to help Ukraine.
Once Ukrainian falls, Poland is next, and once Poland falls, Europe will witness one of the greatest betrayal ever, thanks to the stupidity of Merkel and Sweden.
@@tedmartin4882 No more brother wars please. Its not fun having to kill your family, so please don't pretend a war here will bring anything but suffering.
@@TrustThePlan Poland is a member of the European Union.
@@grahamt5924 I donât want the US to get involved. The European countries need to take a stand together
@@tedmartin4882 sorry but no, Kremlin money are too attractive for idiots and they think that Russia will stop at Ukraine. But no, after Ukraine Russia will go forward because war is only one way for Russian's elites to maintain order.
with Ukraine receiving 300 javelin missiles and hopefully more before any war starts, I see this as a bloody battle on the Russian side. since most of the Russian military depends too heavily on tanks and armored troop carriers, they will be at a disadvantage against gorilla warfare tactics with javelin missiles. this will force Russia to use ground troops rather than tanks to invade. a javelin missile can be shot at vehicles, planes, and at groups of soldiers. I have a feeling the war will get too bloody for Russia that it might destabilize the country causing the people to revolt if it goes too far.
Sorry mate, it doesnât work like that.
if russia sends 3 salvos like in their 2021 demonstration, ukraine is back to stone age without enough electricity or gasoline for the food deliveries. no bridges for the roads, no power, crashed economy, name it.
@@rosshilton so far I was correct in my assumption, minus timeline-wise, never thought they would go straight into gorilla warfare.
Looks like you had some clear foresight about how the ruZZians would be bloodied !!!
Wow really insightful clipâŠLearned so much
Seriously an thoughtful discussion. One wonders why this panel even gets paid for such a myopic discussion!
Lol real news for once.
That author especially, omg.
Totally agree.
Exactly, I could barely stand listening to these clowns. One would think they are just silly and naive but I doubt it, these guys are just stenographers for the crazy American neocons. One thing they were right about, Europe doesn't have a proper foreign policy and this whole circus is being driven by the US state department.
Because we are already literally living the movie '' Idiocracy 2006 ''
If you are waiting for a headline that says "Russia invades Ukraine", don't hold your breath.
They already invaded - in a way. "Russian-backed separatists" are, in fact, Russians. They're settlers placed there for the specific purpose of extending Russian sovereignty and to give Russian the pretext of protecting its people abroad. They've been moving people around for this and other purposes for a long, long time.
I doubt what your saying.
@@SoNonWoo they're as much Russian, as all Ukrainians. They weren't "placed" there, they've been living there for generations.
@@alexeypankov1826 I am also interested in the Russian perspectives on the United States of Europe idea, a common Western European state a blending of the EU and NATO without the USA. Russia sees the USA as the threat, yes?
Is this âRemember what the news used to be like in America? Weâll France would love to sell you adsâ bc like holy crap France, thanks again. Itâs like watching the real news again.
Excellent analysis, thank you.
I would not be taking financial advice from Bill BrowderâŠđ
Wouldnât it be interesting if the moment Russia invaded, China invade Taiwan at the same exact moment.
And not surprising
Japan would respond because it's Islands are close by which means US would be dragged into it. It wouldn't be pretty for either side risk would be too costly.
That would exactly be the perfect time for China to move on Taiwan. The Brandon administration is so weak they would just let it all go.
unless we want ww3 we should just all chill
Very likely. There would be no better time.
A very nice breakdown on Ukraine. Thanks yâall.
I may be absolutely wrong, but I believe Russia won't move until after the Olympics. Once that time has passed we could see an invasion of Taiwan and Ukraine at the same time. Both China and Russia know that if the United States were to enter a conventional contest with either party that it could only choose one, and our clear choice would be in Taiwan. China poses a much more potent threat conventionally and less of a threat strategically (in a nuclear capacity).
Given the proximity of both Theaters to the belligerents, it is clear that logistics won't be an issue for them in the same was it would be for the U.S.
Ukraine would be lost, and I believe with this current administration, that China would be allowed to walk into Taiwan, without a single super hornet ever having released it's payload. We could be seeing a new axis being forged as we speak. The world could be a very different place in a couple years. The scary part is Korea. If China attacks Taiwan and Russia, Ukraine, then why no North Korea Attacking south Korea for unification. The United States simply doesn't have the means after 20 years of prolonged war to deal with multiple superpowers at the same time.
interesting that we have same thoughts. i was thinking that if China invades to Taiwan at the same time then the force of NATO would be divided and then how about North Korea after?
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Half of Latin Americans illegally in USA , already invaded. But we still talking about delusional Russian attack to Ukraine.
@@natalyaterekhova9501 what
@@natalyaterekhova9501 speak to me in Russian. I speak your language.
My guess is we will try to sale more weapons to Ukraine that is about it. Oh and some ineffective sanctions.
Ukraine would be really glad to buy that. The problem is - Germany banned weapons sales to Ukraine. And at the same time it selling weapons to Egypt.
Yes first USA will have to give them the money first so they can buy, Have you been to Ukraine it like a big slum
@@marlinpruett8343 well given my name you can guess whenever iâve been there ;) This year Ukrainian military budget is the biggest amongst all existence. Of course Ukraine is not the richest country in the world but definitely not the last.
@@hoblon There is always Turkey
They are eager to sell their arms as an advertisement for their growing military industry.
hopefully it doesn't come to that
@@jarveyjaguar4395 Thue. Turkey is one of the best partners of Ukraine these days.
When I listen to all the noise about Ukraine and NATO, I get the impression that NATO has over-grown and has reached a point of collapsing under its own weight.
Actually it seems to be the opposite. Russia is making NATO very necessary.
russia would never never invde nato territory thats the whole point of them not wanting ukraine to be a part of it its not a choice if a nato country is attacks all nations declare war russia arnt stupid they know this would be suicide
@@princessofthecape2078 The Russians do not have an intrinsic right to own Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Ukraine. That is up to the people of those countries. How many Millions of Ukrainians died in the Holodomor? How many thousands of Poles died at the hands of the Soviets in WW2? Western civilisation lives and dies by itâs ability to uphold and protect itâs fundamental beliefs. If we believe in the right to self-determination and democracy then we need to uphold that right for others even when it is politically or economically inconvenient to us.
You are actually describing Russia!
You russian TROLLS donât have the courage to complain about PUTIN and his russian FAILURES, but you think you can fool Americans. PUTIN SUCKS
The add before this video was perfect "if we are gonna survive we need to join a stronger alliance "
by stronger, you mean China!
Cutting off Swift would do very little to the Russian economy. Within hours they could sign on to the Chinese equivalent or use their own, the SPFS that's been in use since 2017. Comparing The Russian economy to Iran's is overblown.
Didnt know you were a professional on this and are the one that decides removing the dollar from Russia doesnât matterđđ
@@lucdanic5355 I didn't actually say that. Lol This seems likely too difficult a place for you to have an intelligent and rational conversation. You should probably head over to Parler so you can talk to more of your kind.
Durspe Van how are you any different than me? You responded with an insult lmao
Poor Ukraine, i pray for you.
Funnier part is that Europe seems so ignorant that Russia would never try to test their defence. At this time, the US has little appetite to defend Europe or any other nation.
I like how france is already like "We'll what's the west gunna do about our neighbor being invaded" lol
They've surrendered already.
@@LZE. they are wise thats it
Go to war in the shadows and turn the Ukraine into the graveyard of the remaining Russian econemy.
@@LZE. you certainly meant that the british troops fled like cowards to their bunker ? Hahahaha ! You silly idiot !
@@antoinemozart243 idk at least they managed to defend their own country
The most surprising thing I took away from this story was how cute Annalena Baerbock was. Nice- one Germany!
Coomer
I love how these reporters said that these countries over-their put their former leaders in prison... isn't that what the United States is trying to do to President Trump.
Yeah because they all commited crimes lol
Yeah coup usually get you put in prison my boy
If the US didn't invade Lebanon, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq and Syriađ
Keep crying
@@4theluvofmoney55 cry for those young American soldiers died for nothing? đ€Ł
@@djz1021 how did they die for nothing when they took out millions of our enemies
@@4theluvofmoney55 WOW! So you are saying the great evil empire US invaded other countries for killing people there.well done. Bravo!!And you should tell the Frence 24 change their video title lol.
@@djz1021 isnt that what war is you lil kid đ€Ł
Melinda is talking sense and it's hard for others to accept her logic.
I agree, she is on top of it all. Bill the financial guy seems to know what he's talking about, too. The other two are useless and an embarrassment to the program.
And she came right out and said Afghanistan was a screw up, which of course everyone in Washington knows by now. She really got the pulse on the situation.
She had been bullshitting like the resr of these goons
@@XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 LOL, Oh you woke up? You're two days late to the party.
@@michaelsmith-ep7jq That Bill guy was stupid and shouldn't be there at all.
We sanction to send a message and avoid war for if we protest but do nothing then we set an scenario where only the force of arms remains as an option.
The US can advise Ukraine not to join NATO and be a neutral country. That will stop the War. But no, the US wants War. The US is not stupid. They are provoking Russia by sacrificing Ukrainians, studying Russian weapons and blaming Russia in world stage. Do you think the US cares if many Ukrainians died? Give me a break.
Sanctions are not enough. He needs to lose what he values most to back down. He created this mess, he needs to end it, by having a big enough consequence.
absolute record since 2004. At the same time, Washington is trying in every possible way to stop Nord Stream 2 in order to prevent Europe from becoming more dependent on Russian energy resources. Why, at the same time, the Americans themselves got hooked on them, RIA Novosti understood.
Record exports
Russia earned $2.2 billion from the sale of petroleum products in the United States from January to July- according to the Federal Customs Service. More than 7.46 million tons were shipped overseas, which is 12 percent of total exports. The Netherlands bought the most - 12.19 million tons, the Americans are in second place, Malta is in third place with 4.4 million. do you think that the United States should stop making money on Russian hydrocarbons ? what is the point of making money in Russia and giving this money to Ukraine ? why does the USA need a beggar Ukraine, how much money will not be enough for them, and we can lose business with Russia.
i had to search and find the video on this subject. That should tell you how much Americans are hearing about what's going on
Nothin new.
CNN and NYTimes only cycle the regular topics: Black Lives Matter, arrest Trump, COVID shelter in place, welcome and nurture foreign refugees, toxic masculinity.
If the US shuts Russia out of the SWIFT financial system and other economic sanctions, what will Russia do? Rely increasingly on China for support. Beijing would love to have a bigger share of Russian energy resources.
Anything other than Chinese and Russian cooperation would not make sense
@JC SC38 They will be forced to use Chinese systems.
@JC SC38 Cowrie shells?!
Russia was once ruled by East Asians, so relying on the Chinese for support would not be ahistorical. Building the infrastructure to get the energy resources to China would be extremely expensive, but Russia and China already have a deal in place.
Yes, then China goes ahead and invades Russia .
Us breaks contracts expands nato then call the other guy a aggressor what a joke đ
What "contracts"? It's the independent states near Russia who sent THEIR application to join NATO. NATO didn't just "came" there, those states joined NATO for protection so their countries won't share a fate of Georgia and Ukraine.
@@ArchierounD What about Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Vietnam? The US protected them well enough, didn't they?
America offered to support Afghanistan but at the end they gave up and left them miserable same to Syrian people So Ukraine should know that
Thatâs a really dumbed down version of what happened.... Afghanistanâs leadership is beyond corrupt just like in Vietnam. And the military leadership in America played âyes manâ to the commander and chief (just like in Vietnam) instead of giving push back and trying to influence our potato of a president. The military leaders followed every order in a small amount of time with 0
Oversight. Inept and ignorant.
There is no accountability in the leadership in America. Thatâs why this happened for a second time in American history.
Also it took 16 years just to get the people of Iraq to fight for their own freedom against the Taliban and ISIS.
When the US went in and destabilized the country the reason that happened was because the military was broken up and those fighters had no cause and no mission. Former Saddam Hussein military should have been kept rather than disbanded.
This is as far as I know clearly I could be wrong.
Media is making this so much worse than it is
Just send all these "analysts " to the frontline. Only then they will have credulous analysis.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
@@sdaiwepm insert "credible" and it makes sense.
@@sdaiwepm inconceivable!
This should honestly be law to all these mongerers
If NATO can't stop Russia from invading Ukraine, then my father risking his life as a combat infantryman in WW2 was wasted effort.
Was your father a Ukrainian fascist fighting Soviets?
This is so pathetic , we wouldn't be in this stalemate situation if Germany and France hadn't been greedy and lazy and increased their dependence on Russia to provide them with gas. They let Russia have power over them, gave them the ability to freeze them to control their energy. The UK is greening its energy mix and gets most of its gas from Norway but we have had to pay higher energy prices to invest like that and have greater energy security.
Typical neocon. The US and UK should stay away with all your hysteria like Ukraine has officially said. Your foreign policies have absolutely failed the last 20 years and every single war lost.
Just for your information 66% of the German gas comes from Russia compared to only 17% of the French one, and the French consume far less gas than Germans (20 cubic feet/inhabitant vs 35 in Germany). This rate is maintained voluntarily low since years exactly for the reasons you mentioned. It seems a bit excessive to put the two countries in the same basket given the 1 vs 7 overall ratio on russian gas consumption... Edit: some typos, sorry, I'm not a native speaker.
I agree with the woman who said, they're not scared by our sanctions.
I'm impressed with how precisely Gulliver and Melinda could describe the mood in Ukraine. It's like people are tired of speculations and are looking for any distraction to look away and not think about the situation. Whatever happens indeed
Yes the media or us forget ukraine.
That is what happens when a state or country becomes an American puppet.
@@geoff9858 It's better than when a country becomes a russian puppet like Byelorussia.
@@francoislechanceux5818 you meant like Puerto Rico, Haiti or worse countries where drone attacks are killing children who then get labelled as terrorists and are deem lawfully killed by US
@@francoislechanceux5818 learn history and geography first before coming here to comment on things that is beyond your knowledge.
How far would the West go to support Ukraine? I'm afraid no further than the traditional "thoughts and prayers" unfortunately :( Fully agree with what Bill Browder said. It's all about Putin's election in 2024.
Ukraine don't have any natural resources so the West doesn't care what happens to it.
@@Rainhands22 itâs more that Russia is irrelevant lol. Not even worth the time or money. This is just russia desperately grasping for global relevance as itâs sphere of influence collapses.
@@Tounguepunchfartbox yeah it seems strange that they keep pushing for more territory. Unless their end game is to take over Europe it seems pointless. The only advantage Russia offers is they are close enough to fire missiles on China.
âWestern resolveâ - quite an oxymoron.
@@Rainhands22 lol so true, I mean being annihilated by 5k russian nukes is nothing to worry about so it's so bad they won't help :D
excellent points.
The statement of France:
See ww2.
This is a very dangerous situation, very dangerous indeed.
@@leakbit2437 or pray for no war
What this lady said - if Russia invades Ukraine NS2 project will not go forward.
But the project is already delayed by 2 years. Itâs not going certified even though it is physically completed. Explain to me how this threat now can work as a deterrent for Russia?
Well, Europe can just refuse to buy Russian natural gas and oil at all. Instead you could get your natural gas from the United States. It will cost more, a lot more. However, it will be worth it in order to keep the corrupt Ukrainian government in power.
@@dirremoire yeah, or just don't shut down your nuclear power plants. It's not like it's the cleanest, safest, most effective form of power generation we have so far invented, right?
@@dirremoire 40% of gas comes from Russia.
Reserves are at about 60% in Europe. Lng won't cut it unfortunately
I guess I'll call on Europeans to sacrifice their lifestyle and income so that the Ukrainian government won't have to implement the Minsk agreement.
@@logoimotions Russia is building a massive LPG plant in Siberia and it includes investors from the USA, Germany and others, the largest being Total of France. If businessmen run the show instead of brain dead warmongers we might get somewhere. With the aid of Russias nuclear icebreakers it can be transported East or West plus it's cleaner and cheaper.
Huge international projects cannot be purely economic in nature.
i didn't get any of that, was totally distracted by what was happening on the roof behind her....
Dear France 24 team,
I see in the visualization at 6:42 that you do not include the names of the Baltic states Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. I find this very weird given the fact all the other countries around the Baltic sea are named in the map. Please start including Baltic states' names in maps like these for the future informational and educational purposes. As a citizen of one of these countries I feel a bit insulted.
I think in this case it was just for space-purposes but yes it is kinda weird. Denmark and Netherlands are also excluded though
Do the French know about the Baltics? They're quite ignorant of other countries
@@williamfish1407 they might be ignorant but they're not idiots xD
+1
@@williamfish1407 Don't worry, we learn geography even with the colonnies of the USA
US is apparently pulling embassy staff starting Monday. So thereâs your answer.
This is the scary part. I'm an international student in Ukraine and our school is silent about this issue and the department for foreign students is practically none existent
brandons master plan such a master at fcking things up
Why is up to US to weight on this alarming situation in Europe? I haven't heard peeps from France and other Western European Nations. Germany is actively blocking arms shipments to Ukraine and in full blown appeasement. Biden administration is sending arms shipments and raising alarms about the invasion.
@@matthewgibbs6886 what does he supposed to do except full blown US military deployment to Ukraine and dragging step close to WW3.
@Joseph cause the US is gonna get arms sales out of this and Europe is gonna get a nuclear wasteland
Great slate of people discussing this important topic.
The West ainât gonna do squat. They made the same threats over Crimea, came to nothing đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
The UK has already basically ruled out going to Ukraine's defence, which seemed ridiculous of our government - there was no need to show our hand like that
The UK may have ruled out defending Ukraine, but you haven't ruled out defending certain other allies who happen to be there, right?
Uk means we will support Ukraine go into a war and watch them fight with their own army.
If I was a British soldier would refuse that trip to Ukrainian soil
no, its ok, the more blood to irrigate the land, and a little British "condiment" would do any harm, I am sure we would get nice roses from it.
The question should be: How fast would France surrender after Russia invades Ukraine?
LoL.
They already surrendered to Algeria and Tunisia
When it comes to Pulling the Nuclear-Trigger, which government has a history of supporting a "Split Second Decision" excuse?
Island?
Bill talks with one thought. so lop sided thinking
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Bill Browder he's 100% right! Thanks to the Munich Agreement we had the II World war...
really good interview I was impressed