Labour super-majority - 'the Conservatives could evaporate' | SpectatorTV
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- If the polls are to be believed, the Conservatives could be reduced to less than 100 MPs after the next election, and Keir Starmer will be sitting with one of the largest majorities in parliamentary history. But what would this super-majority look like, with the Labour Party in effect both the government and the opposition? Fraser Nelson speaks to former Political Secretary to Tony Blair, John McTernan.
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If the CONservatives get one seat it would be too many.
If the Conservatives totally colapse The far right could dominate British politics. Be carefull what you wish for.
Right. They should really be called the Con party.
To be replaced by an Islamic blasphemy law
What’s the difference between a Tory and starmer
@@roccoparks the colour of the rosette.
Starmer would fit in the CONservative party.
They will do nothing too.
I hope they get a massive majority so they have to own how shit they are.
Zero seats.
Vote tactically, get a Tory voted OUT!
And get Islam in
@@ganndeber1621 What? How?! I suspect you have an agenda - I suspect you're attempting to spread disinformation...??
100% agree about tactical voting!
Gander that it !!!
"Like Canada" yeah, and look how that turned out.
ZERO SEATS
14 years of Tory rule's about to come to a screeching and catastrophic halt in a matter of months and I live for the day.
Why? Things are going to get way worse.
You are so daft that you can’t even see that your taxes are going to go through the roof and net zero will cripple the poorer in society ⚠️
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 Oh dear, you really haven't been paying attention have you.
@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 if it gets worse, it's because the tories are setting up the next government to fail.. it is going to take some time to undo some of the incredible damage the tories have done over 14 years
@@candykane4665
Worse than the last two and a half years? How?
Im soooo tired of these corrupt fools who have destroyed this country, ive never known such hatred for a political party
Then you should try to understand how much we Scots HATE the SNP and desperately want rid of the Nats.
Wait till Labour gets in and starts protecting Islam
Why are they called conservatives? It makes no sense.
They were conservative, in terms of keeping the status quo. Rich man in his castle, poor man at his gate, King, Church, that sort of thing. Then neoliberalism came along and it became more about economic reform and new money greed.
If I write it as follows: CONservatives maybe you will understand
They used to not like spending money. Well not until Rishi Sunak.
The post-Cameron Conservative Party inherited the name, but not the substance. But the name had utility to them.
Exactly - the most reckless political party in modern times, Brexit flushed our economic future down the toilet..
Look at the Spectator soiling themselves at the prospect of the Conservatives losing big 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah-great, isn't it?
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They sure are a cacking their threadbare shreddies!!!
Can we see ZERO SEATS written on the side of a bus parked outside Conservatives Party Headquarters until the next GE?
Bet this is killing Fraser who rigged every conversation he was in to try to help the tories
I want my country back, only thing I would agree with 30p Lee on. Would love the outward looking, welcoming country we had in 2010 before the Tories destroyed it.
There is no difference between the Tory and Labour parties. In fact 2010 Labour were arguably more right wing than the Tories today. The only key policy difference in the last ten years was Brexit and that was unintentional. The vast majority of the PLP didn't even agree with the result and dragged their feet for the entire process.
Yes. Let's hark back to the days when Blair and his evil minions were in charge. Talk about rose tinted glasses.
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 you mean when NHS waiting lists were at an all time low, we had more police officers than at any point in history ? inflation was low, interest rates were low, unemployment was low ? I've now lived through two long term conservative governments, both have ended in complete disaster and Labour Landslides. and a long term Labour government, I can definitely say the Labour years were by far the best Nothing good has ever come from a Conservative government.
@neilmccarty944 They were talking about the same issues under Blair, so it's not new. I do remember waiting ages back then. It may be intensifying due to the system collapsing. Labour can't solve this.
Most of the terrible things we are seeing now started with Major and Blair. It sometimes takes decades to see the consequences.
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 specifics please? ‘The terrible things we see today which Blair started’ off you go. Your top 3 will suffice
I haven’t watched all this but I would say this - most people don’t want either the Tory or Labour Party - WE WANT HONEST POLITICIANS! - fat chance!!!!
Lame.
@@candykane4665 ?
You won't find honest politicians in 'Reform'
Corbyn fan club speaks. Oh well adults are in charge now.
@@nicksimmons7234 ?
You guys are screwed.
we have all had enough of the tories example partygate disgusting liz truss disgusting fighting in parliament disgusting no they have had it
Dear sir I never usually vote but for the first time in 20 years I will be voting Labour
They say labour has no plan,I'm scratching my head to no what the hell the tory plan might be, they are finished!
Labour doesn't need a plan, they will be 100% better if all they do is turn up and do nothing.
I have voted Conservative all my life, but now this so called government needs to be punished big, maybe next time if there is a next time they will not treat the electorate as fools.
I love the general incredulity of Fraser Nelson at this situation! 😂😂😂😂 Get the Tories out!
Fraser is so out of touch in his London bubble.
0 seats
It was a party which just kept refusing to implement conservative policies, even when it kept getting larger and larger mandates to do so. Completely self inflicted and self deserved.
Are the conservative policies you speak of lowering tax and cutting spending on public services?
Or are you speaking about stopping immigration?
@@AS-rs3iq I think the winning formula would actually be left wing economic policies and right wing social policies. The nirvana is probably greater role for the state + strong border controls. I think that's where most people are ideologically.
@@jackarcher9652 spot on
@@AS-rs3iqour tax to GDP is higher than at any other peace time and the tax cuts hardly make an impact when offset by inflation, stagnating wages and poor productivity. Real national debt could be up to 400% our national income but is not reported, apart from by groups like the Taxpayers Alliance. This government was given a huge mandate to reform the UK, but has almost emtirely failed to understand its own members and voters and, at the same time, has failed to stop the assault on British values and culture from the Left and their ‘useful idiots’ in the civil service, police, universities and corporations. Multiculturalism has failed, producing a society which is more divided than at any time in my 54 years. The government knows that such organisations as the ECHR undermine our own courts, yet we still remain a member; WHO is accumulating powers to itself whilst being increasingly subservient to the Chinese and has long since stopped doing the great work it did in the 1950s and 60, such as the elimination of smallpox. We have diminished our armed forces in a world which is increasingly volatile. Our current government is not conservative at all; it just claims it will implement good policies … only to roll over and U turn at each and every obstacle. They have failed to deliver to the commonsense voters in the Midlands, North and N Wales, who gave them the huge majority they had in 2015. Sunak et al deserve electoral oblivion, so a new Conservative party can be formed which prioritises the values and wishes of the majority.
@@timothyhallett3724give it a rest
We had small state tax cutting with Austerity and Moneterism with trickle down for 14 years
Our tax base hardly moved in that time what you've seen is a complete failure of those policies as they have shrunk and stagnated the economy. If you bothered to look up the consequences of supply side economic policy failure you see that taxes need to increase at the bottom/middle to maintain the trickle down tax breaks
On imigration supply side is the main driver, if you want lower immigration you need to increase taxation cut off all tax loopholes equalise tax from wealth with work and invest in domestic social and physical infrastructure so you don't have to import skills all the time.
Lets hope it is Canada 93 for the Tories. Starmer needs to renationalise Gas, Electricity, Water and Rail, for starters....
No he doesn’t why spend billions buy back Electricity and water to then spend billions fixing it. You’re just handing back billions to the people that broke it.
A very useful discussion at this moment in time. As a Canadian old enough to remember the 1993 election, it is worth mentioning that one of its effects was to permanently change the then dominant "Progressive Conservative" party in such a way that it became became irrelevant, and eventually merged as junior partner with the Reform party to form the current "Conservative" party, being distinctly farther away the center of the political spectrum (and leaving that territory to the governing Liberals). I expect the same in the UK. It may well take 10 - 15 years out of power for the realignment of the Tories to play out.
Agreed. The Tories screwed up the system and their own chances for a long time.
I am emotionally invested in making sure the Grebnoid and Stark Raving Loony parties end up wit more seats than the Tories.
My mum always said she would vote for any Monster Raving Loony Party candidate.
Who knew Labour could survive the fallout of Owen Jones leaving (lol).
When the Tories gave up on business and became a proxy for the banks and hedge funds.
God save us😮...can we survive another 5 years of chaos and decline?
Tory voters switching to Reform UK
Starker will gain from the ineptitude of the Conservatives rather than any rise in his own popularity .
ZERO SEATS ZERO SEATS ZERO SEATS
You walk on one of those rocky beaches covered in a green slime, turn over a rock and out crawls a mcternan
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Thanks to Andrea Sheryl Fox .
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Oh no, the horror of conservatives evaporating.
Quelle horreure!
Britain has been rotting with managed decline for 14 years.
Austerity, brexit, increased immigration sucked in by the gig economy and the lack of ID cards/checks, 12 million living in poverty, money laundering for organised crime (private equity, real estate, hedge funds), open fraud and pilfering (HS2, NHS contracts, PPE).
It's probably time to put at least a few things back in their place, isn't it ?
Oh it's much longer than that ! From the 70's on Labour or Tory makes no difference ! Brits suffer !
Since 1951!
Crap 2010 things were a lot better than now ( not perfect ) … and reform are run by elitist toffs
So Starmer will be a Trudeau redux... Luvly!
I don't think so. Starmer doesn't really have any interest in the culture war rubbish.
@@swarming1092 He has said he supports the backdoor Islamic blasphemy law
Just passing the baton and continuing the illusion of democracy in our uni-party state
God help us if these people gain power.
this is the most foolish time in British history
We are going from dumb to dumber.
Indeed, voting for the same party for 14 years then complaining about how things just keep getting worse is indeed very foolish.
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871You clearly are!
@ogribiker8535 Hahahahaha. You must be part of the dumber group.
@@ogribiker8535 shhhh don't tell everyone!
Problem is Mc Ternan actually believes there are lots of people who actually want a Labour government - quite remarkable. Conservatives have screwed up big time by acting as a quasi socialist party rather than conservative, so why the hell would those who previously supported Conservatives, now vote Labour? Think about it guys, or just remember 2016 when we were assured Comrade Corbyn was about to sweep to power.
The Conservatives party could evaporate. Sad. Shut the door on your way out…
We need PR .
Unfortunately we should be afraid of ANY Party having this kind of majority and free reign. I fear in a decades time we will be hating on Labour in very much the same way 😢
This is the only balanced and sensible comment I have seen on here so far
I agree a huge majority isn't good for democracy. The but the blame is with the Tories who have just been so unbelievably arrogant and ignored the will of the people. If they had called an election after Johnson lied to Parliament, I think Labour would have got in, but not with a huge majority and as you say we would be moaning about them. With the economy in trouble the Tories would probably have returned. My gripe with the Tories is they have been so incredibly undemocratic and unprincipled and have not put the best interests of the country first. People will not forget their treachery for at least 15 years,
@@vinceturner3863 it’s the last 5 years. People will have views on 2010-2019 but these are just the usual disagreements between supporters of the traditional policies of the respective parties. What the last 5 years did was lose Tories a lot of their own supporters. This is much more significant. The Loud Left can continue thinking their view matters but it doesn’t (nor does the Loud Right). It’s those in the centre that win elections. Tories have lost the vast majority of those in the last five years from this debacle of a performance.
I guess this means that democracy still has some power.
1 word ' VOTE LABOUR 🌹🇬🇧
how could Labour possibly ruin the country worse?
It really doesn't matter, because they all break down to 4 categories.
Cat1: Completely incompitant
Cat2: Completely corrupt
Cat3: Self-serving bottomfeeding sycophants
Cat4: All the above.
The only thing that the British people can count on is that there will be more and more austerity. The austerity is only aimed at the poor and the declining middle class. How else can they cut regulations and taxes on the wealthy? This way you can drink and swim in that great privatized Thames Water. The problem there is that you just didn't give the stockholders enough money. So, it's the fault of the greedy poor and middle class for not sacrificing enough. Don't worry, it will get a hell of a lot worse for you. You must help these poor wealthy people who really deserve so much more.
Wealth is for many retired people their pension. They do not have a pension plan as such, but, rather, live off invested accumulated wealth - often contextually modest, prudently accumulated through saving and not of flashy proportions. A transfer of the tax burden from those who are generating wealth through employment income to those who, through age are not, is going to be quite a balancing act.
The Conservatives could not run a pissup in a brewery.
Deal with immigration, then house prices will come down. It about supply and demand, it’s not rocket science is it. 🇬🇧
Frightening
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All is good. We will have conservative government. I trust Sir Kier.
I think there are very many people who are like me, whose vote at the general election will be an anti-Tory vote, rather than a pro-Labour vote. If Labour want to do something big, they should do it in the first term, because I doubt they'll see such a large majority in any subsequent term.
Fascinating
What I most take away as positive about the prospect of a Labour landslide is what McTernan referred to: a very large number of new MPs who are young(er), are renters not houseowners or landlords, who have to a greater or lesser extent a 'green agenda', who are perhaps aware of how the less fortunate are treated in the UK, and so on. Such things bring hope.
Starmer is equally reviled as sunak in the so-called labour heartlands. However this is not going to stop the establishment from installing him. Just saying...?
The whole reform party thing is spooky AF
@@Gujratiah why is it spooky? Right wing people in britain dont want to vote for the tories because they arent doing what the voting base are telling them to do. They dont want to vote for starmer because he is a continuation of the status quo. So Reform is a vote for something different, whether that be good or bad, who knows until it is tried. But the status quo isnt working.
@@user-yf5iz9lf6x appreciate what you are saying but I would wager it's the same people behind reform that are behind starmer and the Tories.
@@user-yf5iz9lf6x I did explain but somebody reported it and the comment got deleted
Great speaker and obviously believes in democracy and the will of the people. Tories should have called an election straight after Johnson lied to the House, the electorate won't forget the Tories arrogance for 15 years at least. Nobody voted for this Government, they voted for get Brexit done and levelling up. Truss and Sunak never had any mandate and whilst Johnson did get Brexit done, these lot have mismanaged the economy and failed in levelling up.
Interesting interview
I have never voted tory and i certainly wouldnt now, neither would i vote for labour.
Well done Spectator TV. Very interesting discussion
Very interesting insight 👍
Thats a great word, Evaporate, If only we could be so lucky. Tories shanked themselves when Bojo clipped all the one nation tories. Thanks Bojo!
Can’t wait to replace the Blue Tories with the Red Tories.
Labour are nothing like the Tories.
@@esseker6320 they’re offering the exact same fiscal policies. Labour are a Tory tribute act.
Canadian PCs went from 169 seats (not 198) in 1988 to 2, but point taken.
Centre left? Laughable suggestion
This is the most thought provoking political discussion I have listened to in a long time. I have made the point myself that the progressive vote accounts for about two thirds of the electorate. Political change is often unpredictable. I am old enough to have lived through the Thatcher government. Thatcherism was the product of policy evolution in government. It was not fully formed in 1978.
How are you feeling about it Fraser?
I think he got it spot on
This assumes that Labour can win the Metropolitan centres against the new independent Islamic vote. With Starmer's Jewish connection, this is problematic. The May elections should be a good test.
People have lost trust in politicians and politicians appear to have disengaged from voters except in times of an election. I think it is a general consensus that the country is in a mess but very few understand what that mess actually is. The voters deserve a government that will actually tell them just how bad the mess is and where that mess is. I feel that one of the things a Labour government should start off by doing is actually been honest and open with the people and tell us the truth. If they can't do something they have to tell us why and what they are going to do to try and rectify the situation. This is a one off opportunity because it won't be long before the Tories and right wing media try to blame the Tory mess on Labour. By been open and honest at least the blame will remain with those that caused the mess.
open and honest about what? You just said yourself, you dont know why we are in a mess. To me its quite obvious, we have imported 15 million people from third world countries who are sucking our public services dry because we havent build more infrastructure to deal with the increased population size. But labour arent going to say that, everyone knows labour will just say the tories fucked it up but not fix the underlying problem that 700,000 net migration per year is fucking ridiculous.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, conservatives preach conservatism, the rest of us understand conservatism.
Labour has the same policies as the tories
Don’t worry guys Labour will sort the problems out 😂😂😂😂
A Labour supermajority, after years of the Tories being wrong, morally and ethically (but being gifted with propaganda and shady marketing skills) is well deserved.
Labour and Labour voters have been consistently right about issues since 2010.
Yes but only in their own heads, labour has had no plans on any issue since 2010 which is why they keep losing elections not to mention the vile leaders they’ve had in that time, oh and do labour actually have any policies different to the tories? Didn’t think so
I'm not a tory voter but I do hope starmer and Raynor don't run this country can't think of one reason to trust them
Galloway -the next PM of UK
Crazy first past the post results. Is the UK the only remaining country that uses this system?
The USA does
I’ll never vote conservative ever again in my life , Reform for me and 99% of my mates and all of my family.
A vote for reform is a vote for Islam
Let's hope do.
ha ha ha ha ha ha *breath*. Ha ha
But what I really want is a recognition and discussion about what brought us here - principally the acceptance of conservative policies: monetisation, complete privatisation, austerity, and of course our glorious brexit.
One interesting outcome *along with their national defeat* would be: what if the Tory party loses all Scottish seats? At that point it has become an English party, and, given those plotting to be its leader, an English nationalist party. It'd be hard to get from that into any Scottish presence: look how badly UKIP and Reform do in Scotland as reference points.
The tories are a lost party. However, anyone thinking labour have ever been the solution is just an labour zealot.
Nobody's a Labour zealot for Keir Starmer. Even Starmer doesn't really believe in Labour, or even social democracy. He's a Liberal Tory, like much of the electorate.
@@anonUK the one question everyone voting should ask their MP: have you ever been a member or still a member of the WEF; knowledge of how to spot a liar could be useful?
Vote labour get Islam
@@ganndeber1621 Torys, racists until the end.
@@michaeladkins6That is simply an admission that I am correct. yeah cos Islam is a race
Oh No ... the Scotsman interviews the Scotsman?
Too much of a reminder of the failures of McBlair, McBrown, McDarling, McCameron ... AND 2 decades of madness in Downing Street 1997 to 2016.
Oh yes and after 2016 everything has been much better hasn't it. That's why the Tories are doing so well.
Not foolish...catastrophic!
The best Labour government will be one reliant on the LibDems and/or Greens (Alliance / sdlp / uup)
Starmer won’t have won, the others have handed it to him and his shower..
DON'T COUNT ON IT YET
They will be like Canada in the 1990's, major party lost all seats n split up.
Well, let’s hope so.
CONservatives out. Labour - don't factionalise! 🤞
Good discussion
Zero seats
For those in the comments droning on about how bad things we will be under labour just look at the ecoonmic and NHS data over the last 30 years and categorise by whether it was the Tories and labour in government.
The 1993 Canadian election was a reaction against the previous Conservative leader Brian Mulroney and his government's Meech Lake and Charlotte Town Accords. The new Conservative leader was Kim Campbell, a brilliant, dynamic woman who never had a chance. Campbell was the first and only female prime minister of Canada. Prior to becoming prime minister, she was also the first woman to serve as minister of justice in Canadian history and the first woman to become minister of defence in a NATO member state. She might have been one of the best Prime Ministers in Canada.
None of that could be applied to any recent version of the Tory party in the UK which really has been a dumpster fire.
By the way Brian Mulroney passed away very recently and his accomplishments as Prime Minister are remembered with more respect than they were in 1993. Those were complicated times.
Starmer is no Blair
Blair was a good showman, Starmer looks like a plank in a suit!
New - as opppsed to Johnson who looked like a tramp and sunak a Roland rat look
@@The_New_IKBBetter a Plank than a little Pratt in half mask pants.....
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I would argue that the tories are going to lose big. Labour dont offer anything other than the only viable alternative for most. Its just sad tbh.
Don't vote liebour
The Tories did this to themselves.
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Just when you think it cant get worse, it does.
Oh good 👍
labour or tory not a shred of difference between them both owned by the WEF,vote reform or get more of the same .
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