Akala: The History Of Cultural Appropriation In Black Music
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2017
- Akala details the historical navigation of cultural appropriation in music and analyses the potential for grime and rap music to suffer the same fate in the future.
We filmed this interview 5 years ago and it is interesting to see how things have compared since then.
Definitely looking forward to reading your comments below!
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Real talk, always on point this brother makes me proud
I feel like when people talk about 'cultural appropriation' often they are talking about 'commodification'. When a middle class white kid wears a Native American headdress to a festival, the problem is not simply that they have appropriated something from another culture, but that the cultural artefact, by being turned into a commodity to be consumed and then tossed away, has been emptied of meaning. If people borrow from another culture but then infuse it with a new meaning (and not just to sell a product), while not erasing/effacing the original culture, surely that is a good thing, although of course Akala's point about acknowledging the tradition that you're drawing upon is important. That is how myths, religions, stories, and art forms throughout the world's history have developed. Another problem with commodification is that people can turn aspects of their own culture, not just other cultures, into commodities for sale - which similarly empties them of meaning, for example, every Beyonce clip. The reason she makes lots of inter-textual black cultural references is to cater to her market, not to say something meaningful. Nothing I'm saying disagrees with anything Akala's saying BTW.
This precisely what is happening with the backlash against Beyonce's visual album.
I agree especially with the point you make about commodification; this simply encourages ignorance.
I do, however, take exception to people of, for the sake of example, African heritage complaining about the cultural appropriation by westerners while they are wearing European clothes, eating European food etc etc.
it's just daft - how far do you have to go with this?
as I see it culture is simply a societal construct; it's tribal, ritual. to be a part of the tribe you follow the norms of the tribe therefore your ethnic origin should be irrelevant.
as a slightly crass example, I am a massive Ramones fan - I have invested time (and money!) into the band and their story. when I see high street fashion stores selling Ramones t shirts it irks me. but should it? if people are buying it, ignorant to its symbolism and story and for the aesthetic alone is that wrong?
I need to ask myself why it irks me and the truthful answer is because I want it to be an exclusive badge of my identity. I'm not sure I like that attitude! I like to think I am inclusive but subconscious prejudice is hard to identify in yourself.
I think if people are honest they will admit that culture is designed to be exclusive and therefore it is divisive. we should challenge this.
but then do we really want to become a homogenous culture?
fuck I'm just riffing now lol
@@brianwilson49 Your comment is not in any way just "riffing", as you said, because it is providing added value to the overall topic by the way you state your POV and then support it with examples as to why you feel the way you do, all without condemning anyone else's opinion or bringing negativity into the conversation. Your comment is the type that I wish there were more of. Keep them coming. Cheers!
@@brianwilson49 there is a difference between appropriation and assimilation. You should look it up. You can't compare the two. Black people were forced to assimilate Europpean culture, cuisine, customs, even standards of beauty. Black people dressing "white" isnt appropriation, its assimilation, caused by centuries of being forced to be less "themselves"
@@SachaTodd I don't understand that to be honest. black (or perhaps we should say 'non white?) people WERE forced to assimilate but they are not forced to today. black people are entitled to wear whatever they choose and many do choose to dress in a way that is in line with their cultural heritage. but many do not. if non europeans were still being forced to assimilate in to European culture I would agree with you but as they are not I think my point still stands doesn't it?
Akala got mad respect and brotherly love for you brother! You talk it as it needs to be spoken... straight!!! 👊🏽
I now understand ABBAs 'Thank you for the music' on a whole new level now.
You are awake brother!!
THIS GUY NAILED IT.
Spitting truth, wise beyond his years.
I do enjoy listening to Akala. I can't say I always agree with him, but he's certainly a passionate and well informed speaker.
OK, you can't say you agree with him. What can you say you disagree with?
People do not realise that its the record labels that produce this problem. It's the a&r and marketing departments that sign and push artists in whatever direction they choose.
Here is a white MC that gives back to the culture he grew up in, all the time: czcams.com/video/Mh7X5nP8FHU/video.html
Another one is myself. As a white MC, I respect hip hip culture at it's ROOTS. I was raised by hip hip. Hip hop saved me. I give back to hip hop. As my brother (biological) DISL says in the video I linked, referring to the recent Eminem bullshit (and also calls out other mainstream rappers in the video): "Don't tell me about Eminem's donations (tax write offs) and his few songs (promotions). Instead, go research the other artists I named and their contributions to the culture, in one way or another, then compare those to that of Eminem. He's not even one of the top 50 rappers (100 if we include underground) when it comes to taking a stand for the culture and using his platform (NOT just music but also events, protests, interviews, social media, etc.) to give back, yet he's top 5 ALL TIME when it comes to profiting from the culture. That is THE DEFINITION of cultural appropriation. It's not that he does nothing...it's that he does the bare minimum for someone who has profited as much as he has from the culture. It's simply not enough. And if you think it is, that just proves how LITTLE you actually value the culture of Hip Hop, to where you don't expect much to be given back to it. And that's because you are NOT part of the culture so you don't give a damn about the culture. And that's because you are Eminem's children and he never instilled a value of the culture in you...no it was all about HIM and his ego. That's why he is KING CULTURE VULTURE and you are his loyal Stans who worship him blindly."
fantastic video.
Thanks for the video! I've been wondering about this stuff, especially as a white guy who likes the sound of early Jazz or Rock and Roll.
I couldnt give a shit who plays what and listens to what. People like Johnny cash did spoken word too anyway and who knows maybe he had African or Jamaican influences. Western music and culture influenced modern day hip hop just as much as african and jamaican. Hip hop is an american creation with roots in all those cultures. Cultural appropriation is much more divisive then it is unifying. So I dont care if the creations are original. Everyone has infuences and they can credit them. Thats all there is to it.
Can he play the bagpipes?
What is you're opinion on the frightnrs, a rock steady reggae group lead by a white person
You can hear the gammon tensing up and getting red faced.
From first contact with black people the European has been a constant "borrower". That is not a bad thing, what is however is what this man is saying; the total appropriation of black culture without acknowledgement instead it is claimed as a construct of the white mind. There is no indegenous American music that does not have its roots in the black community.
Except there is no black music without european contact either? Where do you think most of the instruments, like the piano, came from? Are those not roots too? It's weird that people focus on the black roots that inspired the white but disregard the white roots that inspired the black.
@@vitstwo7623 With all due respect, you should try listening to someone else's point of view without becoming defensive and pointing the finger. Where is the conversation being had that blacks don't acknowledge the impact of European culture and art on their culture and art? No one is saying that.
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NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!!!
Stupid discussion. Cultural appropriation is what drives the world forward. But I'll meet you there. What do you walk in, walk on, drive in, type this on, send over the so called internet and pretty much everything else in your life. What do hip hop artists use for their music? An MPC you say? Invented by? SP1200 you say? Invented by?
Songs belong to individuals, but music belongs to the world. God made music for everyone. Give credit where credit is due and everyone should be happy.
Is it cultural appropriation when African Americans sing Amazing Grace since it was written by an Englishman?.
No of course not. It’s cultural appropriation when someone claims that it was originally an African creations when it’s not.
@@jarvislinarez1251 so why is it considered cultural appropriation when say someone like Eminem makes music? He or anyone else has never claimed he invented hip hop. What about the Twitter mob mobilising to get a small restaurant shut because it served an Asian style soup but because the owner wasn’t Asian apparently westerners are not allowed to cook it. Cultural appropriation is okay as long as it’s not ‘white’ people doing it. The progressive left is ridiculous so much so they have started attacking their own. They’re like snakes eating their own tails.
@@personifiedape5347 Because people don't understand the definition of cultural appropriation. If Eminem said I perform Black American music, that wouldn't be cultural appropriation.
it is a black prejudice against rock music .....most significant white 'classic 'rock musicians are blues fanatics and go on about it ......black urban music is completely dominant
@Samuel Prime how far back do you go for cultural appropriation? when blues musicians took a european spanish guitar, with european tuning, using a mix of irish, scottish, and german folk scales ?
@Whole World lol how can someone culturally appropriate an art form? also blues and jazz do not only and directly come from black american music, or African music. They use modes and scales from european classical music. The mere concept of cultural appropriation is nuts.
@Whole World interesting. First of all you have no idea what culture I am. Second, and most importantly, you suffer from the same issue I see everywhere. What are "white people"? what are "black people"? These are stupid arbitrary categories. White people can be Russians, Germans, Armenians, Georgians, Italians, a whole slew of people and cultures around the world. Black people is not a culture. There are Ethiopians, Congolese, Nigerians, people from Ghana and again a whole slew of people. These are all different cultures. "Black People" or even African people did not invent dreadlocks or braids. They have existed in many cultures, including european cultures, not for hundreds but THOUSANDS of years. The music black americans created, are not purely rooted in their culture alone. They used European musical modes and scales and systems to create it. Are they also "appropriating" culture. What I am seeing is a constant redefining of terms in order to fit a certain narrative. I am not one of those saying "stop making it about race", I am saying you don't seem to understand what race is to begin with. It's different cultures, not races. You have lumped the entire world and all of human history into a couple categories and seem to think you have some enlightened or "woke" (dumbest term ever) view of things. Is Jessye Norman appropriating white european culture? or is she simply amazing at what she does? Try and travel around the world a bit and perhaps your viewpoint will expand. Go see other parts of the world, go see other cultures.
@Whole World You have no point. You are coming to an argument with a set of ideas that you assume are fact. Oldest race? according to who and what? what on earth are you talking about? Also im not talking about the instrument, im talking about the music. I said musical modes, scales and systems. I don't think you understand what those are. I am trying to have an actual conversation, and you seem to be aggressive and already have your mind made up. Which "art form" is deeply rooted and completely independent of other cultures? Blues is black American music, however it is not independent of european music, and musical forms and systems (not instruments). Other races that came after "us", what does that mean? what evidence do you have for this? the out of Africa theory has been debunked since the 70's.
Since early jazz and rock music used European instruments then jazz and rock are European.
Hmmmm????
@Lane Funai, www.stringjoy.com/history-of-the-guitar/
below you will find comments of white people missing the point and all of sudden go to the saying of [ Music is Just Music it belongs to no one]..White music industry is racist back then and still today. they co opt black origins of music and marketed to ever they felt like it. White own music labels stole Rock Music and made into their own(and actually made some good songs), The music industry stole it by having control over music being presented to the world, they got rid of black people in it and trained their white boys and girls to learn rock, If black people wasnt in it, you would have More Great Black Rock Artists today. Some of the Greatest White rock artists from the 70s and 80s will tell you who their biggest influences were Black mostly dealing with the Blues and Rock n Roll origin.
why do you think people miss the point?
Amarudontv Because a lot of people have been socially conditioned to a certain set in stone belief and group of ideals that they believe to be set in stone. Bring someone like Akala along who spits nothing but facts and truths, it shakes their perception and if they’re closed minded they will miss the point and think he is attacking them. This is what the American institution of education not only does to white people but EVERYONE.
@@Amarudontv : They largely miss the point because the truth is too uncomfortably or simply unacceptable. There is a great book by Robin Deangelo (a White person) which illustrates this point remarkably well. The book is called White Fragility. I recommend it.
black people please please please take rap music back!!!! It fucking sucks. Thank you for blues, jazz, and rock n roll though.
Hip-hop started in the Bronx during the 70s. Why is he bringing this up as if it's some kind of massive issue that some people didn't know hip-hop was invented in New York during the 70s? He doesn't even seem to know that himself. Anyway, it started as American culture and now it's global culture. There's never been one unified "black culture". Black is a race, which is a social construct.
@TheSM1thers, no it started as a African cultural tradition, call and response is the origin, and enslaved Africans were carrying on that tradition with gospel, blues, country, rock and hip hop, make no mistake about it, it is not a American cultural phenomenon. When Africans were enslaved, we lost our language, our names, our spiritual system but some how by the grace of the creator, we kept our African musical cultural and even now the more i study African traditions, dance, hair styles, food, spirituality, and music i see the subtle tell tell signs of my African ancestors. That is why i am so amazed when i see African Americans, Afro-Latin and Afro- Caribbean talk about how we have nothing in common with those on the African continent i always ask where do you think you get your rhythm, where do you get mannerism when going to church, i like to call it something like DNA or genetic memory we consciously may not know it, but our bodies no it.
@@mikeaskme3530 Hip-hop didn't exactly start out as a African cultural tradition. It might've developed from it but it's not the same thing. Also, it's not just African cultural tradition that these genres you list developed from. Not saying none of them are but country music for example developed with both African (particularly west-African) and European (particularly Celtic) styles and instruments. With others like rock and hip hop you have a point but similar traditions have existed in various tribes across the world (all with their own unique distinctions) and genres have been influenced by people of varying skin colours from varying cultures, not to say you can't trace a lot of traditions back to your west African ancestors especially musical traditions. I just think it's important to distinguish race and culture. The idea of race was made up to dehumanise slaves, eliminating unique cultural identities of various tribes in favour of a race-based social hierarchy to justify slavery. Culture on the other hand is very real and it can develop over time with various influences to it, like the 'multicultural' USA has developed a culture of its own along with what you might call subcultures within it which depends a lot on where you grew up and also has a lot to do with the race-based hierarchy I mentioned which is the whole reason people assign a culture to a 'race'. So I get why it's done in the US, but a 'white' person having 'black' culture is possible and a 'black' person having 'white' culture is possible, because skin colour doesn't define that culture.
@Shadow Play in the Woods Hip hop may have started in the Bronx but it belongs to everyone worldwide
He's wrong about the guitar. They brought the oud to Europe not the guitar.
It became a lude and a guitar through European inventions.
If you're going to bang on about ignorance and acknowledgment, at least make sure you're getting your basic facts right.
He got them, the guitar did not come from some Austrian mountains, but has its origins in its differently shaped, fretless grandpa: the oud. That's the point.
Simon Ferocious and two of the most significant persons in hip hop history are dave rossum and roger linn.
@Dave Lal, actually he was spot on, and you might have caught it, if you had shut your mouth and open your ears along with doing a little basic research.
Ancestors in Guitar History
The lute
The lute had a curved backed and came in a variety of shapes and sizes, had either 4 or 5 courses, and was often strummed with a quill feather. It was a popular instrument for hundreds of years and had passed from the Egyptians to the Greeks, then to the Romans who introduced it throughout Europe.
The oud
When the Moors invaded Southern Spain in 711AD, they brought the oud along. It shared common ancestry with the stringed instruments of Europe, and like the lute, it had a rounded body, though it lacked frets and had a smaller neck. Both the Moorish instrument itself and the Arabic style of playing left a significant mark on Medieval music, and ultimately, the history of the guitar as well.
www.stringjoy.com/history-of-the-guitar/
@@Dougie- i doubt that, because even before early hip-hop (rap) artist were able to purchase the equipment you are talking about, MCing had already been around at house parties, all they needed was a MIC, turn tables and records they did not mind getting scratch. Hip Hop (rap) is only new to the main stream, but in black communities it had been around for a while, it just took rappers delight released in 1979, but these men (Sugar Hill Gang) had been doing house parties ( or rent parties) way longer. Nice try though you tried it, maybe they are significant to you, but to those early artist they had been doing their thing long before.
@@mikeaskme3530 I don't think the MPC nor the SP made people rap and know hip hop existed before that. But those two men are still some of the most significant persons in hip hop history.
Cultural Appropriation is pretty much when a grown adult says " stop copying me" Childish really.
No it's when Elvis Presley says I invented rock and roll and white Amerikkka says yes you did.
Thereal GodessIsis
It's when black people say they invented the blues while they play the Spanish guitar and sing variations of Scottish and Irish folk songs.
@@argh2945 - Shut up.
@@therealgodessisis5004 Elvis never said that but he did have the first album to ever top the billboard charts. I'm no Elvis fan but I wonder who you would crown as the "King of Rock and Roll"?
Often I've heard from Blacks that Africa = Egypt and Egypt = Africa. Whilst it's true that Egypt is in Africa, it like all counties in North Africa have been influenced mainly by the Middle East and partly by inter-action with the Mediterranean countries of Europe . Similarly the Egyptian people, their culture, history, etc is largely that of the Middle East and nothing to do with the countries and people of Sub-Saharan Africa.
Yet those of sub-Saharan ancestry keep bitching on about cultural appropriation by Whites. Whilst they appropriate the achievements, history, culture, etc of Egypt. A country and people with which they have zero connection with. Talk about pure hypocrisy.
@Zenme Yangzi : Oh you poor sad little thing. Don't beat up on yourself so much. Hey, Zenme Yangzi... It's OK to be White.
Dr Van Sertima was a literary critic, a linguist, and an anthropologist who made a name in all three fields.
As a literary critic, he is the author of Caribbean Writers, a collection of critical essays on the Caribbean novel. He is also the author of several major literary reviews published in Denmark, India, Britain and the United States. He was honored for his work in this field by being asked by the Nobel Committee of the Swedish Academy to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prize in Literature from 1976-1980. He was honored as an historian of world repute by being asked to join UNESCO's International Commission for Rewriting the Scientific and Cultural History of Mankind.
Quite a series of achievements for a poetry expert. What are 'you' an expert in? Self-delusion? Self-hatred? Spitting out your dummy?
Arabs from the Middle East did not build the pyramids. Blacks did. Arabs invaded after.
@POB, you really have no ideal what you are talking about, troll at its finest you are.
@@ITALJUTE What are you an expert on? You literally just posted the achievements of someone else as if they were you own and not a single thing that you have achieved in life and then used that to call out someone else and asking them to make a comparison. If he responds with examples of Einstein's or Mozart's life achievements does he win the argument? He would be responding using the same method you used to call him out so he wouldn't be wrong, lol. You using this as your method of attack and then calling him a "dummy" is golden and so funny that you must be a clown to be able to pull it off. lol...😂🤣😂
@@fiddell69 Any references you can provide that support that. An internet search doesn't return that as something accepted by the scientific community or Egyptologists but if you have info to prove otherwise it would be good to see. 👍
First of yall martial arts come from us. In history in order to even be a samari u had to be black. We were slaves in the asian countries and we built the freat wall of china. Sexond Shakespeare was also black along with mozart and Beethoven was as well... *sigh* our folks lost as heck
You have to be a white person trolling as black person. No way you’re this dumb rofl
*10 / 10*
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂 you’re a fucking moron
This is why I hate pro-blacks.They lie to themselves all the time. Shakespeare was Black? No.
race is so important to him. its the begining and end of all his topics. hes just tried to write off musical geniuses because there white. black music if you wanna call it that got better with different races being involved. look in the back of this "black music" you will realise its just music. if you have an issue with the ethics of big labels/industry just be independent. i would love to see him on countryfile or something just being human and not a racially divided being.
+steppa money tbh you're just chatting shit.
Walk&Live Talk&BumbaclartDead tbh you like hearing shit.
+steppa money if you don't care and the truth makes you uncomfortable, thats fine, just don't listen to it. White artists literally stole a whole genre of music born out of black culture, the guy is chatting nothing but facts, if that doesn't sit right with you, then thats fine, but you wont prove him wrong. Facts are facts. Race is important to me too, it should be to everyone no matter what colour you are. Knowledge of self is key to understanding relationships, history & how it translates to present day life, self love and integrity. Nobody is colourblind and unfortunately peoples experience on this earth will be significantly different depending on the colour of their skin.
Walk&Live Talk&BumbaclartDead how did these white artists steal anything? Was you told that by somebody else or you just gonna point to elvis?. What music should white people be making then? Are they even allowed to use drums? Are you even in music and do you understand what you are typing about or have you just being listening to part time racists who have made it the source of income to talk this rubbish?. Wake up. Theres only 12 keys to an octive.
Like you typed yourself its about whoever has the money which is the same as power really (in most cases). What you class as white people is a very big demographic. When the romans left briton do you think the people who spent time putting the country into the dark ages and erasing its history had different tone of skin. There are buildings that cant even be explained. Even the term paigon has become a way to say somebody is nothing which originally was just a way of life that didnt follow christianity.Humans do this and learn from it and some dont. White have exploited white black have exploited black blah blah blah. And back to music everybody exploits music when kanye cant finish his record and he has to call in mike dean or rick rubin,daft punk or scott to make his ideas into music does it matter that there white. When he didn't want to pay aphex twin for sampling his music is that not an issue? I know kanye a popstar now but i can show you the same thing in any genre or style of music if thats the case or you can just find out yourself.
Mate i grew up in a real uk unground rave sene looked up to black white Chinese asian mixed race british artists as a movement the music was instrumental led and it changed the way music sounds in the entire world a bongo next to a spaced out synth chord with a harp and a re arranged re pitched sampled break beat overlayed with german drums with sine waves and saws ripping through the whole thing.
Do people credit japan for the 808 everytime its used or do people have to credit the inventor of electricity when they use a plug? This is how stupid it woud get.
Stop being a fucking silly racist to yourself and learn to be a being of this earth fuck everyone who wants to carry on with that bullshit. Your born you live you die.
I suppose the bagpipes of Scotland came from Africa to. Lol
you don't agree?
The Middle East actually. Sumerians.
Reading Nomad see the ignorance of some white people🤣😂
@@readingnomad7045 Reference for that? You have the region right but it was a Roman instrument first used in Egypt that they developed for use with the infantry to convey orders and to distinguish from the bugle that was being used with the cavalry. It was brought to the U.K. with the Romans invaded and was adopted by the Irish and Scots.
On the subject of Whites can't sing hip hop/rap because of "appropriation." Why the fuck can't people sing music in a given genre? How can you steal and take a music genre? Music should be for everyone to enjoy not only for some to enjoy based solely on skin color... that is racism in and off itself. If Iggy or Miley or Katy want to sing rap and use the hip hop genre then why the hell can't they? You are saying they can't because of their skin color. WAKE TF UP. That is racist. If you don't like their music then cool don't listen to it--I personally don't like Iggy--but don't say that she can't sing because she is white. If a baby grows up and likes to sing to hip hop why can they not? If someone likes a certain genre and style of music then let them sing it and have fun... never tell them they can't because of their skin color or because of their ancestors... just let people rejoice in coming together and singing music regardless of their differences. I'm not playing a "victim card" I am saying that people should express themselves regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, skin color, or any differences whatsoever. Grow up and stop thinking you own something because of your skin color. Music is for EVERYONE to appreciate no matter how different.
you have bad comprehension skills if you think he said others can;t sing music in a given genre lmfao
I'm not addressing him lmfao
Then why even ask that? Are you expecting people that don't think that to tell you why others do think it?
as he sits in a room full of white stuff
You be will never get rid of racism whilst this “Black music is ours and ours only” attitude and mentality
R&B and blues were just ingredients along with country & pop that created Rock music
Blues is not rock
R&B is not Rock
But you bet your ass those blues and R&B artists were jumping on the bandwagon very lucratively when rock and roll broke out
You seem to think rock and roll is just black music and that’s where the argument ends it’s that elitist attitude that keeps racism thriving in our world
Rock and roll took from blues no lord than they took from country it was that mixture that created rock and yes it was Elvis who spearheaded they new sound because he was it’s most original and most dynamic artist of the rock era that’s why he was king his hits his sales his fans his fame there’s been no one like Elvis
Elvis didn’t just do rock did he that’s what you forget
The songwriters name was on every Elvis release he never stole jack
But you don’t want to believe that because he’s white
Ray Charles biggest hits was country Charlie pride was country
See the irony here
I think it's slightly wrong to say that blacks invented rock 'n' roll and the whites took it. Rock was popularised in the 1950s with Chuck Berry taking his influences from jazz, instead he played the lead piano part on his guitar to create what is known as 'rock guitar' however, at the same time Elvis, Johnny Cash, Bill Flagg et cetera were all creating there own versions of rock 'n' roll based of off country music. As said in the comments below black music culture later evolved away from rock n roll, it was never 'stolen' as this man is suggesting.
Stephen Culpin What version of rock n roll did Elvis create. He is only credited with writing one song. If you actually listened to him the issue is not that these artists took or stole the music it is now people do not give credit to the origin. I will give you an example. In the 90s when band like “No Doubt” and “Mighty Mighty Bosstones” were doing ska and cover songs many thought they were influenced by Madness or that ska came from Britain, but in reality it started in Jamaica in the late 50s
"What version of rock n roll did Elvis create. He is only credited with writing one song. "
- Performance goes beyond songwriting. Elvis has a voice and style of performance which is his own.
Because they did facts.
Black man created martial arts, too. By watching how lions fight. Ha!
In which martial art do you try and bite the opponent to Death
Real talk all the originators of martial arts were black it started in kemet
Using his comment stating that rock and roll came from African amerces as a reference, and implying that this was the starting point because he chooses to pick one thing that came before another as an example, then the argument could also be made that all of the instruments used in the creation of "Soul, "R&B", etc were invented by white Europeans, it could be truthfully said that whites are responsible for those musical genres because they wouldn't exist without the instruments being used. Even the turntable, a device that was used extensively in the the early years of Hip Hop was invented be a Frenchman so the argument could continue and say that Hip Hop would not exist without this device.
*This idea, however, is rubbish* in the same way that saying rock and roll was a direct result of any other single source.
Hank Williams, Ernest Tubbs, Billy Walker, Hawkshaw Hawkins and Al Dexter were all white artists and Louis Jordan, Lionel Hampton, Joe Liggins, and Wynonie Harris were black artist all from the 40's and performing at the same time who were all big influences in the development of the Rock and Roll genre that developed in the 50's. Country music was also an integral part of the development of Rock and Roll. It was combining all of these things and refining them into new sounds that allowed for the creation of a new genre and the progression continues to this very day.
His point still stands
@@afromestizoking237 Well, anyone can make a point on anything, but doing so doesn't mean what someone says is accurate or is the only one that can be made. If we could go back in time and ask the people feels "statred" things and that person how did they learn abd who taught them, there will always be a name that they give who they were influenced or inspired by, it's never a single point where "things" started Differerent cultures developed music within their regions and as time passed and the cultures mixed and things blended.
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Brilliant music definitely pre-existed black popular music. For that matter, the very instruments (sax, electric guitar, etc) were given to us by European inventors.
Don't forget the most timeless music man has ever produced, Classical Music (often complex, mathematically precise, and much was divinely inspired for it's content); there's also Country Music; Bluegrass; Opera, Semiclassical; and awesome world music European in nature (Irish, German, Latin, Spanish etc...)
Hundreds of years ago, it's correct to assume music (primitive tribal type) existed separately from (already) sophisticated European music; that statement alone is worth pondering.... why Europe flourished with great inventions, music, and sophisticated culture and the continent of Africa did not.
BUT it's wrong to assume that all cultures did not influence (even subconsciously) and borrow from one another once the cultures began to mix. For example, the American ballads sung by blacks since their being brought to North America, as well as adopting European musical instruments. But no one is crying cultural appropriation for that issue. it's a Double standard
Back to Rock.... If you never heard the original version of Flatt & Scruggs (bluegrass) doing Foggy Mountain Breakdown (1949, pre existing rock & roll), you'll be surprised how this song rocks at a monstrous pace. Lots more where that came from too.... Hank Snow, Hank Williams, Chet Atkins, Les Paul were all white performers that pre existed rock & roll and used electric guitars.
As for blues, R&B and Rock & Roll are ***distinctly 2 forms of music**** but often overlapping early-on, so they are not always identical. When you listen to the first #1 charted Rock song on Billboard, it was called Rock Around the Clock in 1955, and it has nothing in common with blues, nor ethnic sounding. It has an addictive guitar solo that is truly country in nature
As for Elvis, he did NOT reach his national popularity charting recycled R&B songs when he first burst onto the scene in 1956. These were **newly written songs:**** Heartbreak Hotel; Jailhouse Rock; Don't Be Cruel. If you were to ask about Hound Dog, that was actually written by white song writing team, Lieber & Stoller (as many R&B songs were!!), and originally sung by Mama Thorton…. but no one is complaining about her appropriation of the song, any more than Tina Turner doing Proud Mary; but the double standard is allowed to exist.. Lots more cases of that.
When Elvis did cover an R&B song, only a fraction of his influences and discography he did so AFTER the original R&B artists already had their hit with it.
finally, many point to Chuck Berry, Little Richard as on-par with Elvis, *****but when you listen (year by year) in order***** of their works and compare against Elvis, ////////you'll see their early work is not rock & roll./////// Also notice, that after Elvis came to national attention, R&B morphing with Country Swing music became more identifiably rock & roll. Even after desegregation of the public and airways, there's a reason why most blues were NOT played on rock & pop radio stations. It simply wasn't rock.
To state R&B is entirely synonymous with Rock is an oversimplification! Just compare all of Elvis early (pre-national 1953 to 1955 songs) against the originals he covered, both R&B, Country, and pop, and you will see what he did with music. He'd often do country songs in an rock style, and R&B songs in a country style. Mixing it up. In the end, the sound was DIFFERENT.
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Baby Let’s Play House: perhaps the best example that Elvis neither imitated, nor sounded like any of the cover songs he did, be it R&B nor Country.
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THAT’S ALRIGHT MAMA: the original was very ethnic & bluesy. Listen how Elvis turned a blues song into a strumming country song, complete with twangy guitar solo. He didn’t imitate the original.
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GOOD ROCKIN TONIGHT: Roy Brown's Good Rockin Tonight… forget the title, because it’s got nothing to do with Rock. Listen to the differences, (both great versions), but Roy's sounds like jazz/blues and Elvis turned it into rock.
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RAY CHARLES (I GOT A WOMAN): Ray’s is akin to jazz blues also, but Elvis sounds entirely different, in his vocals & his instrumentation.
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Mystery Train (jr. Parker)
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Trying to get to you
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Milk Cow Blues:
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So None of this is to say there were no R&B songs that did not attain Rock status, any more than some early Country songs which did the same.
Am a bit unsure what you mean by "double standard", could you clarify? Have you ever questioned your perspective when you say "no one is crying cultural appropriation for that issue" when talking about African slaves that used, what you deem are, "European musical instruments"? That flaw in your tirade, as you don't consider the origins of these instruments eg. the guitar, highlights the very warped perspective you have. The guitar is not a European instrument (as Akala said in the video) and it's only the technology that is European.
Why was Europe able to utilise electrical energy and develop its societies to create this technology? Where did the raw materials like copper and rubber come from?
Why did African slaves BEGIN to sing 'American ballads', other than to stop themselves and their families from being brutalized by their oppressors for expressing remnants of their original cultures?
Why do you hold the notion that Africa did not flourish with great inventions, music, and sophisticated culture, other than the white erasure of African intelligence and humanity to morally justify slavery in the first place having seeped into European education for hundreds of years, only to end up in a deep part of your psyche so that it has poisoned your mind with an awful prejudice and what seems like resentment?
You're not just uneducated, but grossly miseducated. Hopefully, you might stop and question why statements like 'classical music is the most timeless music ever' (and saying that it's divinely inspired as if other cultures don't have divine inspiration), is just so blatantly subjective and deeply rooted in white supremacy.
cultural appropriation is so infantile, it feeds the base feelings of losers , gives them a sense of pride when there is little in their own life to be proud of, people who peddle it are living vicariously on the achievements of other people with talent who just happen to have the same skin as them, sad people who deserve pity for their low self esteem
Losers? By that do you mean those who have been and are abused by systems and powers of racism?? Weren't they disregarded, demonised and abused the same way?
your over egging it no one is getting abused don't be ridiculous
@@lennon1482 thank you for confirming your obvious bliss of ignorance and delusion. I'm always perplexed as to how you hollow cranium snow beasts manage to detest anyone who challenges racism yet you have no clue what it is and how it effects the globe. Your head and heart is useless it seems, useful to white supremacy though. Youre pathetic.
grow up you little girl, and calling me racist (but calls me an snowbeast haha) I didn't mention race, I'm talking about losers,if they get all hot headed over "cultural appropriation" then they're sad no matter what race they are, and your one of them sado
@@ucanthandledatruth01 Stop being a butthurt racist and your life will improve.