The Beauty of Games With Dead Worlds

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  • čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
  • Calling a world ‘dead’ usually isn’t a compliment. But maybe it should be. A meditation on games with stunning and creative worlds that have, in their own way, died.
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    When we think of dead worlds, we typically don’t think of beauty. This is especially true for video games - where the word dead usually implies a setting is lacking in meaningful content. But I want to challenge this assumption, to explore environments that are spectacular and filled with artistic merit, yet are, in their own ways, dead.
    For sometimes the end of the world is just the beginning…
    0:00 Beauty of Dead Worlds
    1:16 Shadows of the Colossus
    4:17 Desolation of Grief
    6:07 A Hollow Knight
    8:20 The World Without Us
    10:52 Wreckage of the Deep
    12:45 The Whalefall
    15:19 There Will Come Soft Rains
    17:20 On Sable and Hope
    19:25 The World Lives On
    Media Shown: Gris, Starfield, Shadow of the Colossus, Hollow Knight, Cloud Gardens, Abzu, Sable, Horizon: Zero Dawn, There Will Come Soft Rains Animated Short, There Will Come Soft Rains BBC Radio Drama (audio), Mad Max: Fury Road, The Day After Tomorrow, 2012
    Copyright Disclaimer: Under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education, and research. All video/image content is edited under fair use rights for reasons of commentary.
    I do not own the images, music, or footage used in this video. All rights and credit goes to the original owners.
    ♫ Music Used - Chiasm (Gris), Gris, Pt. 1 (Gris), Komorebi (Gris), Enviornments (Gris), Symmetry (Gris), Windmill (Gris), Unagi (Gris), Prologue (Shadow of the Colossus), Resurrection (Shadow of the Colossus), Greenpath (Hollow Knight), Rhizome (Cloud Gardens), Back and Forth (Cloud Gardens),
    ♫ Additional music by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com):
    Beauty Flow, Bittersweet
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  • @wildspirewarrior211
    @wildspirewarrior211 Před 7 měsíci +3409

    I love games that feature dead worlds, there is a sort of melancholy and haunting atmosphere around them like you're a ghost in a world that has long since passed with remnants of life and society or was never alive to begin with which can be even more chilling

    • @Zel-Veraan
      @Zel-Veraan Před 7 měsíci +63

      I felt that in playing No Man's Sky. There are several dead moons in that game which feature virtually nothing of value on them; not even producing enough carbon to sustain your life support systems. Landing on those moons and doing a 360° turn to reveal nothing more than rocks and lifeless hills in all directions coupled with the sub zero temperatures just screams to me, "You do not belong here."

    • @archerpence
      @archerpence Před 7 měsíci +6

      Ever watched the anime "Casshern: Sins"?

    • @bliss6417
      @bliss6417 Před 7 měsíci +24

      Dark Souls series, especially the third game is amazing at portraying a world once beautiful dying out, and the endings are all about ending the current world that is dying in a place for a completely new one.

    • @eugenux
      @eugenux Před 6 měsíci +1

      he forgot Journey(especially Journey) and Bound.

    • @dootersnooter5343
      @dootersnooter5343 Před 6 měsíci

      I liked fallout because I kind of took it as "the hope within the hoplessness" I also played fo4 first though which probably impacted my opinion

  • @Beaston_125
    @Beaston_125 Před 7 měsíci +1816

    Shadow of the Colossus is one of the best examples of a dead world. Traveling between battles gave me a feeling of anxiety and dread. When I killed a colossus, it didn’t feel like I should celebrate, because I didn’t feel like it was a good thing that I was doing. Such a good game.

    • @array_index
      @array_index Před 7 měsíci +93

      Shadow of the Colossus is a fantastic game, everyone should play it if they have a chance. The game makes it pretty obvious that killing the colossuses is a Bad Thing(tm), if only by looking at what it does to the player character. However, one could and should feel elated when felling a colossus. It is your duty and your destiny, because the game is made that way. It is the game mechanic and the path to progress in story. Arguing otherwise is inviting ludonarrative dissonance.
      Asking what one should feel about killing the colossuses is not the right question. It is, what one should feel about the player character killing them. They are the one who had the choices, and their decisions on those choices have paved the path the player observes.

    • @kakahass8845
      @kakahass8845 Před 6 měsíci +56

      @@array_indexKilling a colossus is a weird feeling you feel happy you did it and impressed a you killed such a gigantic creature but at the same time you invaded its space and attacked it and killed it to revive someone which is something that was already made clear is a bad idea.

    • @Faraway994
      @Faraway994 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@kakahass8845 and you also revived a creature which was trapped by the colossi and ends up cursing you with the same curse that ico has

    • @farkasmactavish
      @farkasmactavish Před měsícem +6

      ​@@array_indexJust because it's a game mechanic doesn't mean it's not a negative part of the narrative, and saying "arguing otherwise is X" is thoroughly obnoxious.

  • @Matters-
    @Matters- Před 7 měsíci +1886

    Curious Archive never disappoints

  • @Tyrexthecreaturedesigner
    @Tyrexthecreaturedesigner Před 7 měsíci +1381

    The beauty of being in a near barren world is the idea of how small you are and the mystery of how the world became like how it is portrayed

    • @solsystem1342
      @solsystem1342 Před 7 měsíci +14

      I think outerwilds captures this really well.
      Spoilers:
      You can't travel to other stars to visit the remaining Nomi, you can't build new experiments in the time that you have left, I mean you can't even save yourself or your villain from the end of the world. But the game revels in the act of discovery regardless. Just in the way we do in reality, by pealing back the secrets of our universe with any scraps of evidence we can find we not only come to understand our place in it better but also perhaps improve the lives of those to come

    • @jbear3478
      @jbear3478 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yeah it's crazy!!!

    • @jbear3478
      @jbear3478 Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@solsystem1342just watched a video on this. As soon as he goes out exploring, the sun goes supernova, right?

  • @YaBoiBoris
    @YaBoiBoris Před 7 měsíci +751

    Journey and it's successor Sky: Children of the Light are both great examples of games that also have gorgeous dead worlds! Granted, Sky's world does not necessarily feel as dead as Journey but lore wise in its world it is

    • @kayaszakacs4521
      @kayaszakacs4521 Před 7 měsíci +76

      I feel like the fact that the world doesn't feel dead is part of the point of Sky. Journey's world is still suffering the aftereffects of its apocalypse, while Sky's world (minus Golden Wasteland and Eden) has already recovered and you're just there to finish the job.

    • @YaBoiBoris
      @YaBoiBoris Před 7 měsíci +53

      @@kayaszakacs4521 while I mostly agree with you, a big example to point out is Isle of Dawn, which has been shown countless times as having once been a thriving grassland similar to Daylight Prairie. also another big example is that.. everyone is dead XD literally except for the players, creatures and occasional season character (like Aurora or The Little Prince), every other individual that once inhabited the world of skyh as passed on and become spirits

    • @favoriteginger863
      @favoriteginger863 Před 6 měsíci +27

      @@YaBoiBoris I don't think the recovery of Sky's world necessitates a return to what it was before. The effects of whatever happened are still very much present, even outside of the spirits, with the structures and statues and buildings still littering the landscape. The world of Sky isn't what it was before and still feels post-apocalyptic in a way, but it's clearly well on its way to recovery and flourishing again

    • @pandoratheclay
      @pandoratheclay Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@favoriteginger863 I agree with you there, recovery isn’t returning to the start
      It’s making a new one

    • @qwertydavid8070
      @qwertydavid8070 Před 3 měsíci +4

      SKY MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, WHAT THE F*CK IS A BAD GAME!!!!!!!!!

  • @maydayman9285
    @maydayman9285 Před 7 měsíci +357

    "These worlds have died, and the world lives on" this is so beautiful.

  • @SubmergedDream
    @SubmergedDream Před 7 měsíci +211

    Rain World fits this theme. The game takes place in the ruins of can ancient civilization and it decays throughout the story.

    • @kaiju4864
      @kaiju4864 Před 4 měsíci +28

      rain world is actually such an underrated game i was looking for a comment about it

    • @baalgar5530
      @baalgar5530 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Peak world

    • @Abyssaracnis
      @Abyssaracnis Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@kaiju4864he already made a video abt it so thats why it wasn’t mentioned

  • @rion7668
    @rion7668 Před 7 měsíci +346

    Both nier replicant and automata have beautiful and haunting dead worlds witch show different civilisations who have lived and died in it making it quite unique. And not to mention the beautiful music that just perfects the overall vibe

    • @pedrom.8525
      @pedrom.8525 Před 7 měsíci +20

      Agreed!! Was hoping to see the Nier games here!

    • @Kanyon85
      @Kanyon85 Před 7 měsíci +28

      Automata not only conveys the feeling of desolation and loss, but it beats you over the head with that grief until you're emotionally broken. especially after getting all main endings.

    • @trevorveillette8415
      @trevorveillette8415 Před 5 měsíci +14

      ​@@Kanyon85that and it's cathartic to play since we the player are humans observing our creations, our children essentially roaming the earth standing on the mass Graves of humanity called cities.
      The world we see feels alive from all the overgrown flora and fauna. Yet the world feels so dead and lonely. So so lonely. But at the same time its so peaceful and blissful.
      It kind of puts into perspective both sides of the desire to be alone and away from people.
      It's peaceful, but lonely.
      It's beautiful and it's ominous.
      NieR:Automata has one of the most subtle forms of beautiful world design and characterization of the world.
      It's actually one of the few games or series that makes the world feel personified. Like its a person or that it's alive in a way. The style is so uniquely NieR that the world feels so expressive and personified.

    • @credaaaooo824
      @credaaaooo824 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@trevorveillette8415 the part you mentioned about the world being personified and alive in a way is especially true after playing the "Emil's Memories" quest and learning about Emil's story, especially if you have already played ending Y and know a bit more about Emil's lore. Not a single other game has ever made me feel quite the same way as Nier: Automata did. Everything in that game is a truly prefectly crafted experience that depicts one of the most hauntingly beautiful and yet emotionally devastating stories i have ever seen. it is a bautiful mix of life and death, hope and melancholy

    • @moffxanatos6376
      @moffxanatos6376 Před měsícem +4

      @@pedrom.8525 I get the feeling this youtuber doesn't like NieR because there is no mention of it here or in the one about androids/living machines.

  • @GandalfTheTsaagan
    @GandalfTheTsaagan Před 7 měsíci +247

    Journey is also such a game, there's something so evocative about exploring loss and moving on

    • @KAl-vf1dz
      @KAl-vf1dz Před 6 měsíci +11

      I love that game so much that I have a Traveller tattoo on my shoulder! 🥰

    • @ThisChannelIsAbandoned300
      @ThisChannelIsAbandoned300 Před 6 měsíci +6

      Man, Journey was amazing.

  • @eliplayz22
    @eliplayz22 Před 7 měsíci +558

    I wasn’t expecting Hollow Knight to be mentioned in a Curious Archive video, but I’m completely here for it

    • @osmiumGE
      @osmiumGE Před 7 měsíci +23

      this isn't the first time he has talked about it

    • @eliplayz22
      @eliplayz22 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@osmiumGE oh, when? My bad

    • @astrovation3281
      @astrovation3281 Před 7 měsíci +33

      He used hollow night music aswell (in other sections). I mean, its one of the most popular (indie) games ever.

    • @birdsridingdogs2877
      @birdsridingdogs2877 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@astrovation3281 Minecraft?

    • @astrovation3281
      @astrovation3281 Před 7 měsíci +6

      @@birdsridingdogs2877 thats why I said one of the most, games like GTA and minecraft are obviously more popular

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 Před 7 měsíci +96

    "Acceptance isn't about feeling happy forever; it just means an acknowledgement of a loss."
    I wish someone could have told me that at some point in the earlier parts of my life.

  • @1whospeaks
    @1whospeaks Před 7 měsíci +175

    Something tells me that the lost civilizations in ABZU know that the ocean world and it's suffocating amount of life would swallow their history in an instant. It doesn't seem like this saddened them either, they almost revere it, putting the marine life literally above the humans in their surviving art, its really comforting and I see life the same way, I have no issue being forgotten as long as I do right by the world and use my time wisely, really appreciating the fact I can comprehend the world around me, its a real gift we have as humanity.

  • @Littlekoji-df1cf
    @Littlekoji-df1cf Před 7 měsíci +176

    This... Has to be one of the best videos youve done so far. The way you explain and narrate is beautiful.

  • @angelsartandgaming
    @angelsartandgaming Před 7 měsíci +114

    I don't know if this counts as a Dead World, but I remember when I was a kid and I played Kirby 64 so religiously pretty much, there was one world that I always remembered the most. Shiver Star.
    The first level of the world is like a winter wonderland with Christmasy music. It's cutesy and fun. Then there is a bubbly cloudy level with some classic Kirby music remixed. It's like a typical Kirby level. Then, there's this abandoned mall. It's still cutesy and it's playing the same music as the first level said. Almost kind of gives you this Christmas shopping vibe. Though there is no one shopping. It just has your typical Kirby monsters that are inhabiting it.
    But then there is the last level before the boss.
    It's a factory. And at first the factory kind of looks like maybe a Santa's workshop sort of area. But you enter it and there's all these robots still maintaining the factory. The music itself is completely different from the rest of the levels. Instead of something that sounds peppy or happy, It's industrial, depressing, and it almost sounds like it's telling a story but in music form. Is something off about it.
    Then there's the boss itself. A giant robot that's almost protecting a city. The city is still lit up and it almost gives me 1990s Gotham vibes. But you don't know if there's still people living there or if it's all being maintained by the same robots that run the factory.
    And then if you look at the planet Shiver Star itself, You realize that it's actually earth but frozen over. Even the level select music sounds a little bit off. It kind of raises more questions about this world.
    This very thing is kind of what got me not only into video game music, but also into the idea of post-apocalyptic worlds in video games.
    Shadow of the Colossus is definitely one of my favorite video games. And the whole world kind of reminds me of Shiver Star in the sense that the first you don't really think about it because it's a fantasy adventure game. But the more you let the atmosphere sink in, the more you question.

    • @VeritabIlIti
      @VeritabIlIti Před 7 měsíci +12

      Shiver Star is canonically confirmed to be post-apocalyptic Earth, I believe! Although after Forgotten Land it's possible it's an alternate reality...

  • @blue.lagoon00
    @blue.lagoon00 Před 7 měsíci +48

    Gris is one of those games that touch you in ways you didn't expect, so glad to see it talked about on this channel.

    • @WAHa06x36
      @WAHa06x36 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I did not really find it touching at all. It felt more like it just wanted to be thought of as touching, but didn't want to put in the effort to actually be touching. Instead, it is just filled with vague symbolism and tries to leave it to the viewer to imagine it has something to offer, but in reality it is just empty.

    • @blackhammer5035
      @blackhammer5035 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@WAHa06x36Agreed. It felt like all atmosphere and almost no content. Vague moodiness.

    • @Narko_Marko
      @Narko_Marko Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@WAHa06x36 artistic indie game, all aesthetic no gameplay. I haven't played it but it really looks like it, i tried planet of lana which looks pretty similar and it was boring as hell.

  • @TheMaryWriter
    @TheMaryWriter Před 7 měsíci +62

    When I saw the title of this video I immediately thought, “Someone else gets it.” I’m a writer and have often described what I like to write most as post-post apocalypse, stories that take place after the survivors have survived and the life of the generations that follow. Apocalypses have their place in stories, but as you said, they are often so loud and boisterous. I think that apocalypses are best understood and reflected on in their aftermath, rather than in the moment. We better see the footprints of what was, and we can see what truly lives and lingers when everything else has ended. Fantastic video.

  • @bliss6417
    @bliss6417 Před 7 měsíci +32

    As someone who is obsessed with games made by From Software, I gotta mention the absolute beauty of playing Dark Souls 3 after you've finished the first game. There are so many little environmental details that makes the players nostalgic and sometimes even sad about how the passage of time has effected the world.

    • @diegocassola1
      @diegocassola1 Před 2 měsíci

      Dark Souls 2 is even better at that, Draengelic knows Lordran like a misremembered echo when remembered at all, treading similar paths and already deep in the process of getting itself forgotten like Lordran already is

  • @zombiesalmon4997
    @zombiesalmon4997 Před 7 měsíci +309

    I wont lie, dying and ruined worlds are more realistic and,honestly, more fun to write and create compared to worlds in which everybody is happy and everything is fine

    • @chriss780
      @chriss780 Před 7 měsíci +50

      "Its easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism"

    • @headwreak1768
      @headwreak1768 Před 7 měsíci +2

      soo i'd say end of evangelion

    • @zachrabaznaz7687
      @zachrabaznaz7687 Před 7 měsíci +11

      It's really not more realistic. Sure, more fun maybe, more interesting, but it's really hard to actually get yo a dying, ruined world. Such a thing has never happened before in human lifetime after all. Only overtaken. Never dead.

    • @dustinnabil798
      @dustinnabil798 Před 7 měsíci +9

      If dying world is realistic, then how are we still here?

    • @Slayerlord13
      @Slayerlord13 Před 7 měsíci +6

      @@zachrabaznaz7687 Exactly. The amount of time our planet has spent in such states (for example a short time after the extinction event that wiped out the non avian dinosaurs or as another example during the Great Dying that preceded the Triassic, etc) is disappearingly short compared to the amount of time our planet has been bursting with life. (no, the time before life arose doesn't count, as something can't have died if it never lived)

  • @spider_plantt
    @spider_plantt Před 6 měsíci +19

    "There Will Come Soft Rains" was one of my favorite short stories as a kid (still is one of my favorite short stories) and it put into words the feeling of something that forms around an absence. Delighted to see it show up here!

  • @j.pearce3981
    @j.pearce3981 Před 7 měsíci +18

    Senua's Sacrifice comes to mind with these themes. even though you know that you're in a small slice of civilization, and that the world isn't dead, roaming around that abandoned landscape with the head of your lover in a bag on her hip, while the voices in your head are taunting you...boy that was so good.
    also, scorn was a masterclass in this, which i know you've spoken about in detail. great videos.

    • @VeritabIlIti
      @VeritabIlIti Před 7 měsíci +3

      Everyone got really down on Scorn because they wanted it to be something it wasn't. But for what it was trying to do, it absolutely succeeded!

  • @dracodracarys2339
    @dracodracarys2339 Před 7 měsíci +19

    we need a shadow of the colossus special edition that brings back the original extra colossi that didn't make it to the final cut. there was apparently supposed to be 24 of them

  • @aperson1754
    @aperson1754 Před 7 měsíci +14

    GRIS and Curious Archives is the greatest combination I could ever hope to imagine!
    I love this take on GRIS, I've already watched basically every analysis of it. It's my favourite game, and this is a really unique view of it.
    I've always loved games with dead worlds, and the quiet, desolate beauty of them. Hollow Knight, Dark Souls, Rain World, GRIS, Subnautica, there's something about them that brings about an emotion I can't quite describe. Plus they have cool wordbuilding.
    Also, you have absolutely sold me on Abzu. I've been considering getting it for a while, and I absolutely will as soon as i can now.

  • @daneymcpane
    @daneymcpane Před 7 měsíci +16

    Hey, maybe you'd like to look into the video game 'Cocoon'? It's a game where you're this beetle character that explores, solves puzzles and defeats bosses with the gimmick being that you are exploring alien worlds within worlds within worlds within worlds. It just seems like the kind of stuff you like to explore with the speculative biology and strange worlds. There are so many fascinating and unique lifeforms in this game, I would really love to hear your thoughts on it.

  • @avajensen9147
    @avajensen9147 Před 7 měsíci +11

    What a beautiful video, maybe your best yet. The examination of dead worlds as thematic for grief, acceptance, and change is a very illuminating thing, and all of these worlds are stunning to observe. The comparison to whale falls nearly made me weep, and I was genuinely overcome at the mention of Sable’s whale. What a beautiful connection. Fantastic work here, as always

    • @qwertydavid8070
      @qwertydavid8070 Před 3 měsíci +1

      CA really cooked a 5-star meal with this video. The way he connected all the themes and examples so fluidly was just awe-inspiring. Seeing post-apocalyptic words as metaphors for grief has completely changed the way I think about the post-apocalyptic medium as a whole.

  • @muffin5062
    @muffin5062 Před 7 měsíci +24

    I feel like the mobile games Monument Valley 1 & 2 also fit the description of a dead world. In both games you wander through and do puzzles in the remnants of a civilization long gone and the only things left alive are the crow people, the totems (basically living totempoles) and you.

    • @micahjones7837
      @micahjones7837 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Monument valley is hands down the best mobile game I’ve ever played. My entire family actually played it. It really creates a special atmosphere

    • @monky4640
      @monky4640 Před 4 měsíci +1

      monument valley is such a surreal game to me because i only have memories of playing it on the ipads in the apple store but i remember it being really good and having such a unique atmosphere, i should really play it fully

  • @jayvillemin
    @jayvillemin Před 7 měsíci +21

    I lost my mom recently and needless to say this video was all the more poignant because of that. The process of grieving is long and fraught but life goes on and beauty persists, even in pain. This was a lovely video, thank you

  • @ZerglordGhi
    @ZerglordGhi Před 7 měsíci +7

    Nice, a new video! I love your content, keep it up!

  • @epicazeroth
    @epicazeroth Před 7 měsíci +10

    The number and depth of intertextual links on display here is mind-bogglingly impressive.

    • @qwertydavid8070
      @qwertydavid8070 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I know right??? It's genuinely impressive writing. The way he connected all these unrelated games back to the exploration of grief and accepting of gris was just so cool.

  • @gregcalvin4337
    @gregcalvin4337 Před 7 měsíci +6

    When I saw this, I was liKe "I hope hollow Knight is in this".

  • @tragic_relief
    @tragic_relief Před 7 měsíci +9

    Thank you so so much for being able to put into words what I never could. You've truly captured what it's like to admire the tragic beauty of the remnants of a bygone world overtaken by a new one. It is the same feeling I feel every time I find a Jungle or Desert Temple in Minecraft, see the cities in the Last of Us or the remains of civilization in Adventure Time. A certain hollowness and melancholy that doesn't fully convey sadness. I realized how greatly these complex emotions could be provoked when I first watched this TedEd video about what happens to the world without humans, coincidentally inspired by the same book mentioned in this video, and until now my descriptions of this particular aesthetic or vibe have escaped me. Whether it be "desolate" or "dystopian", the words never quite fit the particular feeling I wanted to describe whenever I saw these "Dead Worlds", because only now I realize that to die is to have had life, which I am utterly grateful for. You have no idea how much this video means to me, and I hope you keep making videos that do the same for others what they did for me.

  • @Davesobscurevideos
    @Davesobscurevideos Před 7 měsíci +13

    I really enjoy your style of videos. You should consider doing one on “No Man’s Sky.” There’s a beautiful loneliness to it as you explore uninhabited and largely untouched worlds that no other player has witnessed.

    • @aperson1754
      @aperson1754 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think he did do one or two on them a while ago.

    • @Davesobscurevideos
      @Davesobscurevideos Před 7 měsíci

      @@aperson1754oh snap, I’ll check it out.

  • @anglure3617
    @anglure3617 Před 7 měsíci +5

    loved this video and your introspective on emotions and consequences that follow suit in "dead worlds". really made me feel things

  • @luco9155
    @luco9155 Před 7 měsíci +10

    For a strange coincidence We studied today one of the first "distopical story" written by Leopardi in 1820's: it was a dialogue between a gnome and a fairy about how all human suddenly disappeared and about our egocentrism to think that the world was made for us but in reality now that we are gone nothing has change, sun still rise days pass by even whitout anyone to count them, every species thinks to be the most important, but we like dinosaurs and others disappeared whitout anyone care...

  • @Fantasygod930
    @Fantasygod930 Před 7 měsíci +31

    I always love the dead world Aesthetic mostly the one with no life and the one that life has took over The old world They're always peaceful and calm to me And well yes The one with no life seems grim It's also kind of refreshing that Even though you see ruins of a civilization when no signs of life Plant or animal It can kind of make you think of your life and the future Things might Dark in the moment But when you say the dawn break You know a new world and life have arrived it's time to move on from that dark place Plus they're very pretty looking

  • @senspartech3533
    @senspartech3533 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Your videos are works of art in their own right, and I love how they have continued to evolve.
    Well done as always!

  • @mishacochran2825
    @mishacochran2825 Před 7 měsíci +9

    I love this channel, always so interesting

  • @AnimalAce
    @AnimalAce Před 7 měsíci +3

    This video is amazing! This is a full on movie in it of itself. I feel like i've been on a 3 hour journey and yet its only been 20 minutes. Thank you so much Curious Archive!

  • @saturn_in_blue
    @saturn_in_blue Před 7 měsíci +6

    This is one of my favorite videos of yours. Poignant and beautiful. Also, lots of great games for me to check out. 😊

  • @3nertia
    @3nertia Před 7 měsíci +2

    Beautiful :')
    The way you summarized the storms and charging through to end up angry at the world ... well, if I weren't already so tired of crying, I'd have shed a few more tears just then ...

  • @maximusoverprogamer
    @maximusoverprogamer Před 6 měsíci +5

    I absolutely love Gris. It's more of an immersive interactive artwork for me and a masterpiece in that for sure. I would encourage any art lover to try it, even if they have nothing to do with gaming as a medium yet. Makes me very happy that the game becomes a stage at your channel! Thank you.

    • @qwertydavid8070
      @qwertydavid8070 Před 3 měsíci

      gris should be in a museum. It's one of the best examples of "videogames as art" that I've ever seen. The problem with videogames is that, unlike paintings, you can't get all the meaning from a single glance, and you have to invest a good amount of time into a game for its themes to really hit.
      I love omori. I think the way it explores its themes and characters is just masterful. I would love for omori to be some sort of display in a museum. But I just know damn well that no art critic on this earth will go through like the 12 hours of omori's story in a single sitting. Its sad, because I really think videogames have the potential to be the next epitome of the art medium. Film combines writing, music, and visuals in a beautiful way. Games take it one step further with the interactive element, making any story feel that much more personal and impactful.

  • @julianas8201
    @julianas8201 Před 7 měsíci +19

    when you were talking about the whale bones in Abzu I started crying 😭 Something about death of a huge and gentle creature resulting in life for years and years is emotional idk

  • @zimbydraws
    @zimbydraws Před 7 měsíci +3

    That was a really nice video with beautiful topic! I've always been fascinated with these types of games and loved all those emotions while playing them. Especially shadow of the colossus, on of my favorite games ever, was always kinda hard to describe (for me at least) because, while playing and not looking to hard into the story, the game was so simple and the world so empty. It was not like the other games you can play where the story throws you from one action event to the other, with plenty other characters to interact with or the goal to do as many quests as possible or something like that.
    In these games you are mostly on your own. Sometimes there is a companion who is with you for some time but in the end they have to move on in one way or another. Most of the time it's you, these dead lands and your own thoughts and emotions. I can't speak for all on that, but the emotions I feel while playing these games are so much more intense than what I feel while playing a game where I was told to mourn this character or I was told that this or that is important.
    When playing these games with those dead worlds you have to think for yourself. Maybe you are wondering what happend to these lands, where did it's people go, what is the history of those broken buildings. Experiencing your own thoughts and finding answers to your own questions is just so much more powerful than doing just another quest.
    Shadow of the colossus brings you this eerie feeling that something is wrong with the land around the temple, and maybe that thing is you.
    Abzû makes you wonder where you came from and how you are connected to these underwater world, it's many inhabitants and with those people you see the remains of. First you feel disconnected from your surroundings but with time you start to understand and feel much more comfortable.
    And with Gris you feel sad for that girl, for the world around you and all that is lost. But eventually you see that it's going to be okay and that this isn't actually the end.
    And I think that's the important thing about those stories, the end isn't actually the end. Even when all is lost, the people are gone and all their monuments are forgotten, life still goes on. It will thrive again and new things will be and new stories will be told, and it will be okay.

  • @mike_k89
    @mike_k89 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Man i was thinking of watching some of your videos before going to sleep and you released a new one, perfect

  • @Sundayson451
    @Sundayson451 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I'm in tears! Thank you for such a beautiful video, wonderfully narrated!
    I grew up playing videogames trying to convince everybody that games are indeed a form of art. I even contacted Jenova Chen to encourage him early in his career when only Flown and Cloud were released...
    And I would like to encourage you to keep doing beautiful videos and thougful reflections as this one! 💚

  • @jillesvandermolen4594
    @jillesvandermolen4594 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This video is so nicely executed! It all fits together so well!
    If I had more time I would definitely play many of the games you mention in your video’s!
    Thank you for making me think!

  • @artorias6969
    @artorias6969 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Bro I love your channel, keep up the good work

  • @varivivid8031
    @varivivid8031 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This feels so meta. Your channel is what has helped me with these feelings. Seeing how many forms life can take has given me so much peace despite being a part of a failing species

  • @baldagam8456
    @baldagam8456 Před 7 měsíci

    bro this is your best video yet, i love, how you spun together so many different interpretations of death and rebirth, and how neatly you tied it all together.

  • @finpin2622
    @finpin2622 Před 7 měsíci +22

    This is really beautiful! The aesthetic of Gris reminds me a little bit of Journey/Sky: Children of the Light. I haven’t played Journey, but Sky definitely takes place in a living/dead world, the previous society remaining as spirts while the light children move through it. It’s kind of half-revived through the players. All the stages of the game are representing stages of life, which is interesting because you can constantly replay through all of them, so I guess its kind of a game about constant rebirth.

    • @pandoratheclay
      @pandoratheclay Před 3 měsíci

      Also the dead society, and the start of the game beckoning you to save them
      It’s sort of like our own, a previous generation that has or is on the way to killing the world with themselves along side it
      With the Children of Light being the only ones left, essentially having to fix what others have caused

  • @Zweckmeister
    @Zweckmeister Před 7 měsíci +5

    Darksouls also has a great dead world setting!

    • @aperson1754
      @aperson1754 Před 7 měsíci

      It does! Gael's arena in particular feels like it could represent acceptance - not for the passing of a loved one, but rather an acceptance at the end of one's own life. It just feels faded, and there is no new world after it, just empty nothingness.

  • @interstellarnarwhal7912
    @interstellarnarwhal7912 Před 7 měsíci

    I think this has to be my favourite video of yours yet, such beautiful points eloquently delivered and masterfully linked between them all, the weaving of narratives and meanings from the Whale-Fall, to each game and the stages of grief was phenomenal. I feel like this could be a thesis. Truly this was fantastic. Not to mention covering 2 of my favourite games in one video and introducing me to some I am excited to hopefully play.

  • @SPYD0R
    @SPYD0R Před 7 měsíci +2

    Love your videos; they are truly thought-provoking and often covering quite esoteric materials. Already introduced me to a few great games and artbooks I was unaware of: much appreciated. Keep up the great work!

  • @madwolf4815
    @madwolf4815 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Love to see it keep it up man

  • @Guydude777
    @Guydude777 Před 7 měsíci +3

    That was a really good video. Heck, one of my favorites.

  • @bluargie7906
    @bluargie7906 Před 7 měsíci

    I'm so impressed at how much content in this video is. The different games, the whale fall and the philosophical questions about the dead. Thabk you so much. I learned many things with this video.

  • @Kephinio
    @Kephinio Před 7 měsíci +1

    This reminded me of Shriek in Ori and the Will of the Wisps. My partner introduced me into this whole thing with two-dimensional worlds and the beauty they are. I'm so thankful for all the people who worked on things like this, which both enables content like this to exist and people to feel something they often didn't know they could feel. So am I also thankful for video essays like this. Thank you!

  • @RegularBiscuit
    @RegularBiscuit Před 7 měsíci +5

    these videos are awesome, i came for the speculative evoloution and stayed for all of it

  • @Kuzul_
    @Kuzul_ Před 7 měsíci +7

    I always feel this melancholy when playing these sort of games, the first one of this kind I played was Journey, and I played it dozens of times, always loving the narrative and the melancholy the world is built on.

  • @forrestr7948
    @forrestr7948 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Abzu is literally one of the most beautiful video game experiences ive ever had, im so glad to see you talk about its atmosphere

  • @riptarozone
    @riptarozone Před 7 měsíci +1

    This has been one of my favorite videos of yours as a longtime fan. If you've never played The Outer Wilds, you would love it. It fits very much into these Dead Worlds.

  • @dionettaeon
    @dionettaeon Před 7 měsíci +6

    There's a puzzle-platform game that I love, called Unravel, that could fit the concept of a dead world to some degree. Basically, you play as a little red yarn figure, Yarny, who seeks to gather the memories of an old woman's past. The environments are beautiful, but even with all the evidence of human activity around you, the people themselves are largely absent, appearing primarily as static memories in the background. You get the sense that these places have been abandoned, even if only recently. It's just you and whatever animals you happen to come across. Any actual people in the game are few and far between and appear only briefly.

    • @littlefox_100
      @littlefox_100 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Unravel is a beautiful game!

    • @dionettaeon
      @dionettaeon Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@littlefox_100 I couldn't agree more!

  • @Flame03265
    @Flame03265 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Lets go. New video!

  • @themightyhood5922
    @themightyhood5922 Před 7 měsíci

    Your videos just have such a great vibe man, keep making these, they slap

  • @nor4205
    @nor4205 Před 6 měsíci

    I think this was one of my favourite videos you've ever made. Simply breathtaking and a well constructed narration 👏

  • @Capital_CW
    @Capital_CW Před 7 měsíci +5

    This is always fun

  • @that1cat999
    @that1cat999 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Did not expect to see Hollow Knight in a curious archive video, I’m happy about it being here tho

  • @zimbydraws
    @zimbydraws Před 7 měsíci +2

    Yesss, was thinking of what to watch and this is perfect!

  • @mikelp9600
    @mikelp9600 Před 6 měsíci +1

    This was easily one of the most amazing and beautifully written videos about any kind of topic I've every watched. Bravo Curious Archive, bravo.

  • @bigpartay3355
    @bigpartay3355 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Glad someone is taking about Sable, it's an amazing game!

  • @smartsmartie7142
    @smartsmartie7142 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I saw the title and knew Gris would be in it!

  • @pcseeya4534
    @pcseeya4534 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Each time you make one of these videos it's a examination of a single game and its main theme but pulling in other games with the same theme. And its beautiful.

  • @dialog_box
    @dialog_box Před 7 měsíci +2

    2:28 the term "leviathan" specifically refers to sea creatures. the terrestrial equivalent is "behemoth." (and as a bonus, the aerial equivalent is "ziz.")

  • @krowtrobot
    @krowtrobot Před 7 měsíci +3

    These are all my favorite games, lol. You have good taste! Of all of them, though, Sable might just be my favorite. When I finished the game, I just sat on top of a tower and watched the sun set and then watched the sun rise for an in game day listening to the sounds of the world...that is a game memory I will never forget.

    • @thebluest_blue1145
      @thebluest_blue1145 Před 6 měsíci

      I think what sets Sable apart for me is that in this game, your purpose is to explore. Climbing and gliding off tall hills for fun, poking around every nook and cranny, seeing a cool thing in the distance and immediately switching course to see what is is - that's not a sidequest or distraction from the main plot, it's what you're encouraged to do. It really captures the feeling of being a young adult setting off into the world, having the freedom to go wherever you want.

  • @penumbrium
    @penumbrium Před 7 měsíci +3

    glad you mentioned abzu
    I would say rain world is also a good example with the ancients dying or ascending and leaving behind atrophying robotic megatructures and the descendants of bioengineered organisms.

  • @PinchyTheKittyGirl
    @PinchyTheKittyGirl Před 7 měsíci +1

    This channel shows me so many games I never knew about that I then go play. Awesome.

  • @somelaser5906
    @somelaser5906 Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing video, you truly never disappoint. It was made all the more bittersweet due to my Gramps' recent death and already going through the 5 stages of grief. It made me feel comfortable being reminded that other people go through the same as I have.

  • @bluesquare001
    @bluesquare001 Před 7 měsíci +3

    In a video about dead worlds i'm surprise that there's no mentioned of Journey. good video

  • @lemonboy9208
    @lemonboy9208 Před 7 měsíci +3

    amazing video!

  • @SomeOtherBots
    @SomeOtherBots Před 7 měsíci

    When you began to switch from “researching” various worlds, I was a little nervous but understood. But you have fully and beautifully brought that into fantastically executed video essays. Keep going :)

  • @Finn-jw4id
    @Finn-jw4id Před 3 měsíci

    Just wanna say I watch your videos from time to time and I love these meditations on the games you play. Well done

  • @anthonybernard8819
    @anthonybernard8819 Před 7 měsíci +64

    I would say that a dead world depends on what "dead" and "world" even mean. Dead could mean something is completely forgotten and world could mean your perception of reality

  • @KabbalahSherry
    @KabbalahSherry Před 7 měsíci +3

    Absolutely NO mention of Death Stranding?? 🥴

  • @annach.5818
    @annach.5818 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Didn't expect to see one of my favorite animation in your video. And it is amazing video, thank you.

  • @kayskreed
    @kayskreed Před 7 měsíci +8

    'Gris' is pronounced 'Gree'. French for 'grey'. It's a game that I've been thinking about trying someday. Games with 'dead' worlds are among my favourite. I enjoyed the Outer Wilds for that reason also.

    • @tyddlup
      @tyddlup Před 7 měsíci +3

      A quick Google about the game has informed me it's made by a Spanish company, therefore it is pronounced "gris" for "grey" in Spanish.

    • @kayskreed
      @kayskreed Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@tyddlupSpanish and French are both Latin languages with many words in common. It wouldn't surprise me.

  • @nilsarnerlof9633
    @nilsarnerlof9633 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Hyper light drifter would fit in this list of games.

  • @isaaclockwood8039
    @isaaclockwood8039 Před 7 měsíci

    Such an underrated channel, your videos are always so insightful

  • @cortos_9733
    @cortos_9733 Před 7 měsíci

    Fantastic episode CA. The exploration of how death pervades each environment but like a whalefall leads to an explosion of life is amazing.
    It reminds me of the world you did a while back where the massive creatures fall from the sky in death only to feed the rest is a sad kind of beauty.

  • @rodan9773
    @rodan9773 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Dead Worlds or worlds empty of life apart from Plant life with empty Citys Towns and other places have always fascinated me so much to explore and know and to find.
    You should check out SCP- 2935 Titled Oh Death it's really fascinating it involves a Dead World.
    Respect and keep up the epic work.

  • @rustyshackleford234
    @rustyshackleford234 Před 7 měsíci +61

    I can’t believe you didn’t mention scorn! That’s about as dead as you can get, the whole game looks like earth died and going through putrefaction. There are these horrific posthuman creatures, but I’d hardly call them life as we know it.

    • @Nothing.Nugget
      @Nothing.Nugget Před 7 měsíci +28

      I think it's because he was going with the theme of the 5 stages of grief, like what "Gris" did. So, he found games that represented a "dead world" while also showing a stage of grief.

    • @danieladmiraal9371
      @danieladmiraal9371 Před 7 měsíci +16

      Same with journey or rainworld, in a way they are dead worlds but they didnt fit nicely into the video.

    • @SPYD0R
      @SPYD0R Před 7 měsíci

      He released an entire video dedicated to Scorn at the end of 2022 and it was excellent: czcams.com/video/YGzeYfwVa5U/video.html

    • @gamerstheater1187
      @gamerstheater1187 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Scorn is a horror game

    • @C-Farsene_5
      @C-Farsene_5 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I think its cause he wanted to showcase other games he hasn’t mentioned before

  • @elizabetho.7484
    @elizabetho.7484 Před 7 měsíci

    Wow. A beautiful video about beautiful dead worlds that also asks deep questions. Going through the grieving process right now, and I found this wildly moving and… comforting. Thank you CA.

  • @OhSick_
    @OhSick_ Před 7 měsíci

    Another phenomenal video! I’m so glad you mentioned the Teasdale poem, it has such a beautiful and comforting message

  • @Netist_
    @Netist_ Před 7 měsíci +3

    I loved the art in Gris but, I dunno, I always felt like it was one of those games that has nothing but symbolism going for it and ends up being far too vague as a result.

    • @burntnougat5341
      @burntnougat5341 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Same. It feels like more like an art display visual novel first and game second

    • @WAHa06x36
      @WAHa06x36 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Same feelings exactly. Gris feels like it WANTS to be profound and moving, but is not willing to actually put in the work and heart to earn it. It just vaguely handwaves and expects you to do the work for it. Really didn't like it, it felt very disingenuous.

  • @Luigimaestro
    @Luigimaestro Před 7 měsíci +8

    Anither great video! Keep up the good work! Could you cover the fanstasy novel “the way of kings?”

  • @ImBored-fornow
    @ImBored-fornow Před 7 měsíci

    Love your vids man, keep up the great work. You light up the mood

  • @Mr_ADS
    @Mr_ADS Před 6 měsíci

    3 weeks late watching this vid, but, curious archive I just have to say, your video editing is just so beautiful, paired with great topics that make your videos feel truly alive, they are always something special to watch. Thank you for the content you create.

  • @wesleycolvin7158
    @wesleycolvin7158 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Horizon: Zero Dawn and its sequel are great examples of 'dead' worlds.

  • @highlord2841
    @highlord2841 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Bloodborne, and Demons Souls

  • @Emma-jg4bt
    @Emma-jg4bt Před 2 měsíci

    I really don't know why but i cry almost everytime i watch one of your videos. The thought and consideration that you put in there, that hope of optimism in a world filled with pessimism and seemingly only ends makes me feel at ease. The world will continue and thrive even after we are dead and forgotton, that gives me a feeling of calmness i can hardly explain.
    Thank you for making those videos. The way you intertwine concepts of fiction with scientific discoveries results in a philosophy I aprechiate a lot

  • @thatotherted3555
    @thatotherted3555 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This is beautiful. Gris and Sable are among my all-time favorites.

  • @michaelchaney2336
    @michaelchaney2336 Před 7 měsíci +3

    As The Gunslinger says, "The World Moved On." I think the creator coordinates with space, time, light, gravity, and matter to create. Before creation there was only mass, gravity, and space. A place can have mass, gravity, and space to it but feel time is meaningless there. As if the farthest reaches of that world have no place anymore.
    What light there is as hollow and empty. Like you will seek for a long time to understand the fullness of what once was.