I like this album. Maybe you dont like their style or that they are popular but this is a solid release from them and one of their best imo. I suspect all the bad reviews will be from people who never liked Trivium.
Necrotic Nick- I was at one time a pretty big fan but I kinda grew out of them. I never really got on the hate train though because I never felt they deserved it. My only grip was really the shoehorning in of all the poppy choruses on every track. While it worked on some it felt forced on others and did help the song. That's just me though.
Trivium was a band I wrote off for years and years, I think because of who ended up being their fanbase when In Waves was out (mostly edgy emo teenagers, at least at my school!), and I did also expect them to be exactly like their other metalcore counterparts, who I mostly don't like. Then I saw them at Download 2019 and heard the Sin and the Sentence album, and realised how wrong I was about them. Live, they absolutely blew me away, they were on fire and were great fun to watch (thank god, I'd stood through fucking Skindred in the pissing rain just to be in the pit for them), and I think the SATS album is fucking awesome. The last album wasn't as good as that, but still decent. Just listening to the singles they released I feel this is an improvement. I still haven't listened to the rest of the album due to being away from home, but what I have heard I've liked a lot. I feel like they've finally hit their stride again with these last few albums and found their definitive sound, after a good 3 or so albums of pretty mediocre material and not knowing what the fuck they wanted to be!
Necrotic Nick- I used to be big into this band years ago. I saw them for the first time on the second stage at Ozzfest in 2005 and they killed. I just recently saw them again with Megadeth and they sounded great so I thought it was time to check out their material. Honestly, most of it I thought was really solid. The only thing that puts me of it the giant choruses in every song. Some of them just need to be bereft of that because it takes the balls out of the song. Feast of Flames also kinda stood out as an obvious radio nugget but honestly, this was pretty good. There's definitely some new favorites from them on here.
@@thrallsofmetal yeah I can see how some of the hooks can take the balls out of the song. I have heard various spots across their discography where it does feel a little shoehorned in, but I don't feel too much of an issue there cause not only are the hooks not necessarily bad (even if they don't exactly fit), 9 times out of 10 the guitar work and the drum work for the rest of the song compensates for it. They're definitely a super talented bunch of guys and when they get the formula right it's fucking awesome. They're touring in the UK next month with Tesseract, and I'm hoping that I manage to grab a ticket 🤘🤘
I love working and putting y'all on to listen to. Ironically listened to this morning on the way to the gym. Super powerful symphonic vibes are not too bad......
Necrotic Nick- Thanks again for the praise! I thought this was pretty decent and I'm not really a huge fan of the band anymore. It definitely has some really strong melodies and exceptional guitar work.
@@thrallsofmetal Not so much a fan anymore either, but I do love watching even if the album isn't one I'll be picking out at the record store! Always will praise thee almighty Thralls of Metal lol
I saw Trivium back in 2014 in Auburn, Washington as part of the Mayhem Festival. They were the first band on the main stage, followed by Asking Alexandria, Korn and headlined by Avenged Sevenfold! On the festival bill was Body Count, Suicide Silence and Cannibal Corpse!
Wasn’t a big fan of this band because of his pretty boy image, before he turned bald, but after listening to this album in which I enjoy the cover I sure enjoy his vocals. Very aggressive fits perfect, didn’t overdo it. I now take them seriously because they really have passion in this album. 🤘
Necrotic Nick- They did a bit of the "pretty boy" image early on but I think they've always been a solid band I just kinda grew out of the sound. This is a pretty good album but I still have issues with all the clean choruses. Some of them just feel forced or like they just felt they had to squeeze one in even though it didn't fit. Still, when they're on they are on and there's some legit bangers on this.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure the "pretty boy image" was kinda forced onto Matt by the producers, as that was what was popular at the time. Even their early stuff wasn't really written with the intention of appealing to a wide audience, so it'd be weird if it were Matt himself who made himself wear fkn thongs just to fit in the tight leather he'd appear in during the Ascendancy era.
I really like this band but I think for me I like all their albums up to Shogun and outside of some awesome songs never really got into albums In Waves onwards but I will say this from what I've heard of this record I'm digging it. I'll definitely give this one a shot for sure.
Its been years since i listened to Trivium. I think it was 2004 the last time. You guys need to check out the band Throbbing Pain. Those guys bring some good ol' school death metal with deep growls. Im listening to them right now 🤘
Necrotic Nick- It's been awhile since I jammed them honestly. I think I lost interest around Vengeance Falls but this wasn't too shabby to be honest. I haven't heard of Throbbing Pain but I've definitely experienced it. lol. I'll look into them though when I get some time.
After I have listened to it for the first time I immediately felt like Trivium is back on the right track. I dig this album coz it does kick your teeth out and leaves you floored. Give it 4 put of 5.
Necrotic Nick- They're one of those bands that people either love them or just dismiss them completely. I've never actively hated them but I do feel I grew out of them over the years.
I loved the way you cringed at the Five Finger Death Punch comment. I like FFDP, despite my deep love of thrash, heavy, death, industrial metal etc. In your opinion, who is the "Justin Bieber" of the metal world? I say Avenged Sevenfold. Would anyone else agree?
@@thrallsofmetal it's really easy to set up too. It took me like 25 minutes on my phone lol. If you do and need any help feel free to shoot me a message!
I use to listen to trivium until I found bands like suffocation (happy birthday to effigy of the forgotten, the album is 30 years old today btw) cannibal corpse and deicide.
I really like this album. It’s way better than their last album What The Dead Men Say, definitely more strong and cohesive. I’d probably give it a 4/5. As for Matt’s vocals, I do agree they can sound a bit weird and forced at times. That’s because up until their album Vengeance Falls, he was screaming and singing incorrectly. He blew out his voice in 2014 and had to learn how to do a proper “safe” scream and sing without straining himself. He does a correct technique live but uses his old incorrect technique on the albums. I also agree that every song has a big chorus but it doesn’t bother me too much. A Crisis Of Revelation and Fall Into Your Hands have less dramatic choruses.
Necrotic Nick- I still think this is good and I do remember he started getting a vocal coach so he wouldn't destroy his voice. He has decent harsh vocals but it's mostly the clean delivery or maybe just the choruses themselves. I did like the more subdued choruses on Fall Into Your Hands and A Crisis of Revelation though.
Trivium was never a band that I got into. The only album I ever had was The Crusade and that was only because it was a promo copy from my local record store. The only line I remember from that even was the opening line "bring the guuuuuuns!" I dont necessarily hate the band but I dont get all the hype with them either.
Necrotic Nick- I was a big fan for awhile in the early 2000's but much like a lot of metalcore it kinda just got old and I moved on to something different. I liked The Crusade when it came out but I haven't listened to it in years. I think mostly I just like their guitar work since Matt and Corey are really solid players.
I’ve always said this about Trivium that they are very hit & miss with me. There’s some stuff I really dig from them and there’s a LOT of stuff that I don’t dig at all. I’ve liked some singles off this album and the previous one but the only Trivium album I like a lot from start to finish is The Crusade. I thought that was a really solid album
Necrotic Nick- I'm kinda the same way with Trivium. I really like some material and a lot of other stuff just doesn't register with me. It's not that it's really bad, it's just that I'm not into it. I did like this album though for the most part. There's some really solid songwriting on here.
They really started shoehorning in sorta radio friendly choruses more and more after their album Inception of the End. I really liked their earlier stuff, but I fell off after I found death metal. Great review as always, guys. Keep on keeping on🤘
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I've gotta agree there. I've never flat out disliked the band but I kinda grew out of them which was kinda how I felt about most mid 2000's metalcore. It just stopped doing it for me. This isn't bad though.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly... that pretty accurate in some respects because any time I'm at Olive Garden I'm like "this is decent, but I know I could do better". lol
Necrotic Nick- I've never gotten the hate for the band either. Regardless of whether a person likes them or not they're clearly solid musicians and songwriters. Honestly they're all likeable people too and don't come off as douchbags so I really can't see why people don't like them.
Necrotic Nick- I can still appreciate what they do but there's still some aspects (namely the poppy choruses) that I can't get into. They're good, but they're not always my thing.
I like this album. Maybe you dont like their style or that they are popular but this is a solid release from them and one of their best imo. I suspect all the bad reviews will be from people who never liked Trivium.
Necrotic Nick- I was at one time a pretty big fan but I kinda grew out of them. I never really got on the hate train though because I never felt they deserved it. My only grip was really the shoehorning in of all the poppy choruses on every track. While it worked on some it felt forced on others and did help the song. That's just me though.
I'm excited to hear ya'll opinion on a trivium album. IMO their best album since 2008's Shogun
Necrotic Nick- I thought it was pretty solid. I wish they'd not throw in a giant chorus on every track but outside of that I had very few complaints.
Trivium was a band I wrote off for years and years, I think because of who ended up being their fanbase when In Waves was out (mostly edgy emo teenagers, at least at my school!), and I did also expect them to be exactly like their other metalcore counterparts, who I mostly don't like. Then I saw them at Download 2019 and heard the Sin and the Sentence album, and realised how wrong I was about them. Live, they absolutely blew me away, they were on fire and were great fun to watch (thank god, I'd stood through fucking Skindred in the pissing rain just to be in the pit for them), and I think the SATS album is fucking awesome. The last album wasn't as good as that, but still decent. Just listening to the singles they released I feel this is an improvement. I still haven't listened to the rest of the album due to being away from home, but what I have heard I've liked a lot. I feel like they've finally hit their stride again with these last few albums and found their definitive sound, after a good 3 or so albums of pretty mediocre material and not knowing what the fuck they wanted to be!
Necrotic Nick- I used to be big into this band years ago. I saw them for the first time on the second stage at Ozzfest in 2005 and they killed. I just recently saw them again with Megadeth and they sounded great so I thought it was time to check out their material. Honestly, most of it I thought was really solid. The only thing that puts me of it the giant choruses in every song. Some of them just need to be bereft of that because it takes the balls out of the song. Feast of Flames also kinda stood out as an obvious radio nugget but honestly, this was pretty good. There's definitely some new favorites from them on here.
@@thrallsofmetal yeah I can see how some of the hooks can take the balls out of the song. I have heard various spots across their discography where it does feel a little shoehorned in, but I don't feel too much of an issue there cause not only are the hooks not necessarily bad (even if they don't exactly fit), 9 times out of 10 the guitar work and the drum work for the rest of the song compensates for it. They're definitely a super talented bunch of guys and when they get the formula right it's fucking awesome. They're touring in the UK next month with Tesseract, and I'm hoping that I manage to grab a ticket 🤘🤘
The "skippable" intro,along with all the synths in the record,was made by Ishanh (Emperor)
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, as much as I love Ihsahn I just though the intro was just another in a slew of other intros.
I love working and putting y'all on to listen to. Ironically listened to this morning on the way to the gym. Super powerful symphonic vibes are not too bad......
Necrotic Nick- Thanks again for the praise! I thought this was pretty decent and I'm not really a huge fan of the band anymore. It definitely has some really strong melodies and exceptional guitar work.
@@thrallsofmetal Not so much a fan anymore either, but I do love watching even if the album isn't one I'll be picking out at the record store! Always will praise thee almighty Thralls of Metal lol
I saw Trivium back in 2014 in Auburn, Washington as part of the Mayhem Festival. They were the first band on the main stage, followed by Asking Alexandria, Korn and headlined by Avenged Sevenfold! On the festival bill was Body Count, Suicide Silence and Cannibal Corpse!
Necrotic Nick- After seeing them this year they definitely still put on a good show.
Wasn’t a big fan of this band because of his pretty boy image, before he turned bald, but after listening to this album in which I enjoy the cover I sure enjoy his vocals. Very aggressive fits perfect, didn’t overdo it. I now take them seriously because they really have passion in this album. 🤘
Necrotic Nick- They did a bit of the "pretty boy" image early on but I think they've always been a solid band I just kinda grew out of the sound. This is a pretty good album but I still have issues with all the clean choruses. Some of them just feel forced or like they just felt they had to squeeze one in even though it didn't fit. Still, when they're on they are on and there's some legit bangers on this.
Dude check Shogun, The Crusade and Ascendancy! Their best.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure the "pretty boy image" was kinda forced onto Matt by the producers, as that was what was popular at the time. Even their early stuff wasn't really written with the intention of appealing to a wide audience, so it'd be weird if it were Matt himself who made himself wear fkn thongs just to fit in the tight leather he'd appear in during the Ascendancy era.
Trivium toured with Iron Maiden in 2006-2007. Saw them 3 times in Finland, and they slayed! I think I should try this album, a good review.
Very good album
Necrotic Nick- I think it's pretty solid.
I really like this band but I think for me I like all their albums up to Shogun and outside of some awesome songs never really got into albums In Waves onwards but I will say this from what I've heard of this record I'm digging it. I'll definitely give this one a shot for sure.
I agree that the guitars have always been awesome through the years. With 10 albums though, most bands can't claim that.
Necrotic Nick- Matt and Corey are a sick tandem and honestly that's something that will always make me check out Trivium songs.
Its been years since i listened to Trivium. I think it was 2004 the last time. You guys need to check out the band Throbbing Pain. Those guys bring some good ol' school death metal with deep growls. Im listening to them right now 🤘
Necrotic Nick- It's been awhile since I jammed them honestly. I think I lost interest around Vengeance Falls but this wasn't too shabby to be honest. I haven't heard of Throbbing Pain but I've definitely experienced it. lol. I'll look into them though when I get some time.
No way back just through is badass tho
Necrotic Nick- I liked the song up until the chorus. The rest of it is pretty badass though.
After I have listened to it for the first time I immediately felt like Trivium is back on the right track. I dig this album coz it does kick your teeth out and leaves you floored. Give it 4 put of 5.
Never really gelled with this band for some reason, any chance of a Blood Red Throne review?
Necrotic Nick- They're one of those bands that people either love them or just dismiss them completely. I've never actively hated them but I do feel I grew out of them over the years.
I loved the way you cringed at the Five Finger Death Punch comment. I like FFDP, despite my deep love of thrash, heavy, death, industrial metal etc. In your opinion, who is the "Justin Bieber" of the metal world? I say Avenged Sevenfold. Would anyone else agree?
What makes something "Justin Bieber"?
Necrotic Nick- It pains me that FFDP exists but that's me. lol.
@@thrallsofmetal if you don't like FFDP, why do you have 2 of their mascots skulls on your videos??? 🤔🤭🤭 specifically this video?
It may be worth it to set up a BigCartel to sell your shirts out of. It makes the process way easier than trading emails!
@DecrepitOrigin888 it's rad. When I found out it was free I hopped on the Bigcartel train lol
Necrotic Nick- I might have to look into that.
@@thrallsofmetal it's really easy to set up too. It took me like 25 minutes on my phone lol. If you do and need any help feel free to shoot me a message!
Please disregard my entry in the "Eight Free CDs" contest. I initially thought you said 'STDs' not 'CDs'. My mistake.
Necrotic Nick- I mean, you've been to Toledo so you know we make good on the STD's here. Hell, we can give you more than 8 if you want.
I use to listen to trivium until I found bands like suffocation (happy birthday to effigy of the forgotten, the album is 30 years old today btw) cannibal corpse and deicide.
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I think I found my way into deathcore and then right back to the old school death metal I grew up with.
Thoughts on anthrax?
favourite album?
Necrotic Nick- Huge Anthrax fan here. I can't say what my favorite is though since we'll rank them at some point. I don't want to ruin the surprise.
@@thrallsofmetal oOo nice, can’t wait, my fave has gotta be Among the living
I really like this album. It’s way better than their last album What The Dead Men Say, definitely more strong and cohesive. I’d probably give it a 4/5. As for Matt’s vocals, I do agree they can sound a bit weird and forced at times. That’s because up until their album Vengeance Falls, he was screaming and singing incorrectly. He blew out his voice in 2014 and had to learn how to do a proper “safe” scream and sing without straining himself. He does a correct technique live but uses his old incorrect technique on the albums. I also agree that every song has a big chorus but it doesn’t bother me too much. A Crisis Of Revelation and Fall Into Your Hands have less dramatic choruses.
Necrotic Nick- I still think this is good and I do remember he started getting a vocal coach so he wouldn't destroy his voice. He has decent harsh vocals but it's mostly the clean delivery or maybe just the choruses themselves. I did like the more subdued choruses on Fall Into Your Hands and A Crisis of Revelation though.
Trivium was never a band that I got into. The only album I ever had was The Crusade and that was only because it was a promo copy from my local record store. The only line I remember from that even was the opening line "bring the guuuuuuns!" I dont necessarily hate the band but I dont get all the hype with them either.
Necrotic Nick- I was a big fan for awhile in the early 2000's but much like a lot of metalcore it kinda just got old and I moved on to something different. I liked The Crusade when it came out but I haven't listened to it in years. I think mostly I just like their guitar work since Matt and Corey are really solid players.
I’ve always said this about Trivium that they are very hit & miss with me. There’s some stuff I really dig from them and there’s a LOT of stuff that I don’t dig at all. I’ve liked some singles off this album and the previous one but the only Trivium album I like a lot from start to finish is The Crusade. I thought that was a really solid album
Necrotic Nick- I'm kinda the same way with Trivium. I really like some material and a lot of other stuff just doesn't register with me. It's not that it's really bad, it's just that I'm not into it. I did like this album though for the most part. There's some really solid songwriting on here.
They really started shoehorning in sorta radio friendly choruses more and more after their album Inception of the End. I really liked their earlier stuff, but I fell off after I found death metal.
Great review as always, guys. Keep on keeping on🤘
Inception of the end is a song, not an album.....did u mean in waves?
@@shanetsung3558 Yes. It has certainly been a while since I’ve listened to it
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I've gotta agree there. I've never flat out disliked the band but I kinda grew out of them which was kinda how I felt about most mid 2000's metalcore. It just stopped doing it for me. This isn't bad though.
Trivium is to metal what Olive Garden is to Italian cuisine.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly... that pretty accurate in some respects because any time I'm at Olive Garden I'm like "this is decent, but I know I could do better". lol
Love the album but it kind of fails to separate itself from the last two albums. Still a fantastic release
It's waaaay heavier than the last two...
Yes heavier but you could have put every song on WTDMS without a problem. It's not even criticism, just something I noticed
For sure. I'm just glad they skipped the radio rock stuff this time and released a pretty relentless album.
Necrotic Nick- I honestly haven't jammed the last two but I will say this does have some legit bangers on it.
@@thrallsofmetal I can definitely recommend the two previous albums as well. They kind of reinvented themselves with The Sin And The Sentence
I am so baffled with the universal hate on this band. I don't get it.
Necrotic Nick- I've never gotten the hate for the band either. Regardless of whether a person likes them or not they're clearly solid musicians and songwriters. Honestly they're all likeable people too and don't come off as douchbags so I really can't see why people don't like them.
@@thrallsofmetal yeah ok
I only like Shogun, The Crusade and Ascendancy. Couldn't get into the rest. Super meh.
Necrotic Nick- Those are generally my go to's when I want to jam Trivium but this one has some pretty solid bangers though.
@@thrallsofmetal I trust you and judging the review I decided to check and I liked The Phalanx the most!
I cannot get into this band at all. I tried and I’m tired. Just a shot out to Ihsahn tho!
Necrotic Nick- I can still appreciate what they do but there's still some aspects (namely the poppy choruses) that I can't get into. They're good, but they're not always my thing.
@@thrallsofmetal like you said in your review it’s quite predictable other than that one track. You just know the chorus is coming.