Mrs.O's Kia Sedona - Break In Oil Change
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- In this video I replace the "Break-In" oil on Mrs.O's new 2019 Kia Sedona. Now this is as debatable of a topic as is what oil to use in your car and how long to go between intervals. In her car I will be using Mobil 1 5w30 with an oil spec acea a5 and replacing it every 3750 miles using OEM oil filters. That should get people wound up for sure! Why do i do it like that? Besides being a VVT, GDI engine, our climate has severe temperature changes. Weather can go form -10°f to 50°f all in the same week. We drive dirt road daily with several short trips per day (less than 15 miles). Not to mention oil is cheap in the big picture, so if you are driving on extended oil change intervals what are you really saving over all? Remember we all have our own opinion.
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In this video I replace the "Break-In" oil on Mrs.O's new 2019 Kia Sedona. Now this is as debatable of a topic as is what oil to use in your car and how long to go between intervals. In her car I will be using Mobil 1 5w30 with an oil spec acea a5 and replacing it every 3750 miles using OEM oil filters. That should get people wound up for sure! Why do i do it like that? Besides being a VVT, GDI engine, our climate has severe temperature changes. Weather can go form -10°f to 50°f all in the same week. We drive dirt road daily with several short trips per day (less than 15 miles). Not to mention oil is cheap in the big picture so if you are driving on extended oil change intervals what are you really saving over all? Remember we all have our own opinion.
“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson
I'm a little disappointed in a cartridge style filter under car. You see them a lot when in engine compartment. Filter probably cheaper to buy going forward
That filter paper looks clean, have run 800hp 410ci unlimited methanol speedway engines on the engine dyno that have first change oil filters that are way dirtier and have lasted 2 and a half seasons before a refresh...... send it, Mrs O will be fine 👌
South Main Auto Repair LLC I would never criticize your decision on intervals. I have a 2003 Lincoln Town Car with a factory recommended interval of 10,000 mi using 5W20 synthetic blend but as soon as the free oil changes during the warranty ran out, I switched to Mobile 1. Still kept the same interval with OEM filter. I live in TN but if I lived in your area, I would shorten that interval too. So far after 230,000 mi, mine burns no oil and the seals are dry.
This change schedule will see the car lasting forever. People are penny wise and pound foolish with oil. Why gamble when oil and filters are cheap?
First oil change at 500 miles. drive it like you will be driving it every day
I appreciate the fact that you've built-in a procrastination buffer in your interval.
It Gives Mr Eric O time to book the vehicle in for its service. Well planned. Well played.
As a former dealership service manager i totally agree with what your doing. With your maintenance schedule you should never have a problem and it’s cheap insurance. Thanks for cutting the filter apart to see what was caught. If everyone followed your advice there would be a lot less engine repair. Thx
Please dont say 'never have a problem'. I hate when car people say that to buyers. Every car, even Toyotas, have mechincal issues during their ownership.
And the stealerships would just charge more per service if people needed less repairs. So, no one would ever really save money.
I bought a rust protection package from my local Honda stealership for $700 and they refused to honor it as they promised. Totally lied and toally stole my money. Hence, they are called stealerships by many car owners.
Michael Let me clarify what I meant, from my experience I saw next to none oil related engine failures like crankshaft and related bearing failures from vehicles that had timely oil changes and not these new extended intervals. There may be other issues like head gaskets etc but nothing to do with timely oil changes. Too bad you had a problem, maybe call corporate would listen
@@Michael-fw5ef there u go.. u said Honda, over the year they have done so much wrong but people still buy them like hot bread.. i have seen and heard two much over the years, even vehicle and parts are way over priced for what they truly are.. 💰👎🏾
@@farmark457 I agree. Most engine failures are from people not doing the proper maintenance.
@@farmark457 Of all the cars I have owned my entire life, I have never seen any oil related failures. I use dino oil in my 2007 Highlander and it is going on 300k miles. Does not burn any oil. Unless the manufacturer recommends it, I do not use synthetic oil either. None are 100% synthetic. They are just dino oil with an extra additive package. "Cheap Insurance". Motor oil makers love that voice of the sucker with money to throw away.
My old shop teacher had a really good point, many of these oils probably can last 10k ,15k or even 20k miles and plenty of time without breaking down significantly, but they're going to get dirty after about 5k miles no matter what filter you use. With how much modern engines use oil to actuate things (like VVT systems) and especially with how common GDI and Turbo chargers are nowadays, regular oil changes are more importan than ever.
I was amazed at the metal particles in that filter when you cut it open....I have seen fine metal filings in the drained oil, but seeing them slivers and particles of metal made a believer out of me to change it earlier than the manufacturer says to !!!!! I have rebuilt engines, done valve jobs, and cam and lifters, and timing chain changes and never pictured what I saw in that filter core !!!!! From today, I will ALWAYS use a good quality filter and name brand oil with the required recommended ""types"" !!! Thanks, Eric, for opening my eyes to this !!!! My wife wants to see Mrs. O in more videos, perhaps in her business setting of the office, and likes when she helps you do things like turn the key, pump the brakes. a woman's moral support ... etc ... !!!!!! And thanks for doing the "" Tire Plugging "" videos that I asked you to do !!!! We love the show !!!!!!
When I bought my old Silverado (2003) at 120,000 miles, I changed my oil every 5,000 miles or every 4 months (whatever came first). I sold the truck with 262,000 miles and everything was fine - original engine and transmission (had to sell it because it didn't have a backseat, and need a backseat for kids). When I bought my new 2016 and drove it off the lot with 9 miles on it, I changed the oil at 500 miles, and now change it every 5,000 or every 4 months (again, whatever comes first) with the full synthetic recommended by GM. At 41,000 miles, I haven't had any issues at all - and I use my truck as a truck. I even did a transmission service at 40,000 miles (I tow and haul a lot), and did a drain-and-fill on the coolant (which I normally do every two years). The wife has a 2009 CRV with 145,000 miles and I've been doing the same thing with that since we met many years ago. No leaks, no burning fluids, and original drive train. Why? I learned a long time ago that the more you change your fluids, AND not beating the hell out of your vehicle, the longer your vehicle will last.
Its been 2 years, i bet you had to change an injector or two on that junk chevy
@@upurnose46 nope. Still original injectors and the truck just hit 75,000 miles. I’ve had zero issues to this day.
What i like about your videos and i watch almost all of them is how detail you are about explaining everything just like the back of the oil container with being a European specs i never knew that. Great job on your videos.
I would never question you or criticize you for when you change your engines oil and filters. These criticizes probably use recycled engine oils or someone used oil after it’s been used. I had a friend back in the muddle 70’s that wanted my used rear tire on my CB750 Honda motorcycle. He would run my old tire until I put on another new one. 👍🏻 keep up your repair work and service as though you were working on your vehicles and or the customer was standing beside you and being truthful. You will always have your regular customers and new ones from word of mouth. I know you already know this. These are some of the reasons why I like to watch your videos👍🏻.
Worked at GM dealership as a kid and the service supervisor always recommended @ first 500-1000 miles on new vehicles. Engines he built himself he never bothered until 3000 miles because he controlled the quality of the fit and finish during assembly. Also loved sticking magnets on the oil plug or filter.
We regularly rebuild medium and heavy duty diesels onsite to reduce costs, minimise downtime, control standards and relevant specifications and fully utilized our extensive machine shop. Unlike most maintenance and mechanical workshops, we have a fully computerised engine dyno, which we use to break in rebuilds over a 70 hour period. Load and speed variations throughtout this period are controlled by 30+ sensors and learning algorithms that constantly monitor and adjust throughout this period. We use Australian made Penrite running in oil for diesels, which does not contain detergents or friction modifiers. Once the running in period is reached, the oil is drained, visually inspected, samples collected for independent laboratory testing, the oil filter cut open and the filter medium expanded and inspected for excessive contamination . If initial inspections indicate no damage, a new filter installed and fully synthetic oil used. As the work of a mining vehicle is classified as extreme duty, oil changes occur every 10k kilometres in medium duty and 1000hrs in heavy duty. 👍👍 Greeting from Woomera,South Australia
This sound really cool. I'm sure people would love to hear more about it!
Make videos.
My last name is Patterson
Cool stuff! Extreme duty sounds like a great way to go crazy with overbuilding and testing products, has to be a cool job.
@@JackS425 The smallest diesels we rebuild are 7 litres, and the occasional Toyota Landcruiser twin turbo. The largest is 42 litres from surface dumpies. All brands, from Caterpillar to Detroit to Hitachi, air cooled John Deeres to Tatra V8. We're not shy here !!! 👍👍
Strangely enough, I had a Kia Sephia, I changed the "break in" oil at 500 miles, then at 1,000 miles then started the 3,000 mile intervals from then on. Upon taking it to be fixed for an oil leak, the tech informed me that the engine is strong and powerful compared to other Sephia's. I told him my oil change intervals, he said brilliant! My 00 Yukon I dumped the transmission fluid every year (filter and fluid) and got 150,000 miles out of the original 4L60E. Every mechanic I talked to about rebuilding was amazed I got so many miles out of it. Change that fluid, it's cheap. I do the same thing as you did. Nothing wrong with doing that!
Had 230k on my 4l60. 0 miles of that was towing. Truck never had a hitch or even a trailer light plug in.
I change the oil every oil no matter what. I own a Kia Ceed SW 1,6 from 2009
My 4l60e has 227000 on it still running strong
@@christopherburns6590 my 4L60E in my 99 Tahoe has 274k on it but needs to be rebuilt due to not having 3rd/4th.
150K miles isn't much for a car.
Lol, this was the next recommended video after watching Mrs. O do an oil change on her odyssey and proclaim she was never getting rid of it.
Eric, about that Mistubshi Outlander Sport that had foil stuck in the oil port from the head. The foil did not make it past the filter. It sounds like during the first oil change, the first owner PRE-FILLED a new oil filter directly from a new oil jug, and a piece of the foil was introduced into the INSIDE of the filter, which is the clean side. Then when he installed the pre-filled oil filter on the engine, that piece of foil was pumped into the engine galleys within seconds of startup.
My ol' man dumped the paper cap gasket from a diesel treatment into his fuel tank on his Duramax he used to own - thing left him for dead on the side of the road. Had to get towed. That little paper blocked the fuel pickup in the tank! I think he must've just unscrewed the cap and jammed it in the fill neck without looking.
Or it fell in the engine when the oil was out in... Still scope right there for it to block off an oil feed. The old "Pinto Engine" based Ford Cortina OHC in the Uk circa 1970's you could damage the oil spray bar just pouring the oil in if you shoved the funnel too far in... Problem with the UK version of the engine was that the cam came out the back of the head so it had to come off to repair.
@@SmittySmithsonite lol I've seen similar happen in our shop.
I agree that is a likely explanation. Another is that the foil was poured into the sump, and sucked up by the oil pump when the engine was cold. Cold oil bypasses the oil filter because the pressure is too high. It goes directly to the engine unfiltered until it warms up. Even then, during very high rpm the filter is bypassed because the pump just can't move that much volume through the filter. Pressure is a resistance to flow. Low flow of oil will kill the engine.
This is why you dont pre-fill. It doesnt do anything but introduce contaminates directly into the engine. Putting in a dry oil filter is fine and does nothing to hurt the engine.
Still can't believe the Best Auto Channel on CZcams still has sub 300k subs. Come on people press that button.
I think the problem is they like him so much that they press it twice in all the excitement.
Actually Scotty just had a video out today saying the Kia was a more economical option over the Toyota or the Honda!
Get Ryan to unbox parts!
... and ring that bell!
I'm a retired district engineer (radio technician) for the Missouri Highway Patrol. I've been retired 12 years so my info is dated. My district covered two troops and I drove alot. Every three years I would get a new 3/4 ton van (usually Dodge) but I did get a 98 Ford once. My instructions were to bring in the van every 5000 miles for maintenance starting from the day I picked it up. This is the same procedure that the Troopers followed on the Crown Vics. At the time we were using conventional oil (low bidder) that met specs. Engine problems were extremely rare, I never had any. Any engine I've personally rebuilt I've always changed the oil first time at 500 miles, mainly so I could eyeball the oil for anything out of order.
the majority of those were all "old school" high output truck engines, meaning they had 30+ years of working all the bugs out of the rotating assembly and large parts, the electronics were a different story of hateful anti-glory :)
Never had the opportunity to 'break in' a new car..but judging from the oil in this case, it is a well deserved position to do such an oil change..and put in some fresh clean oil and new filter..cleaning up all the old...!!
I always change my oil early. For the price and peace of mind its a no brainer. Keep up the good work 🤙🏻
Cheap insurance
I love when the melting snow drips in your eye or down your back.
Grew up with mechanical engineer for my dad. While he only purchased one new car in his life, our garage always had vehicles purchased from auctions that we would rebuild the engines. He always subscribed to the philosophy of 500mile break in period. I enjoy your channel because how and why you decide to fix whatever your task is. May not be “popular” to everyone; however, wise and practical reasoning. Reminds me of how my dad used to do things. You throw fewer tools and have much less profanity. Lol. Thanks!
I would sit and listen to Eric talk through oil changes for hours.
Regular oil and filter changes are the best preventative maintenance you can do for any engine, I do mine every 6 months or 5000 miles.
I use full synthetic in everything I own. Push mower, zero-turn, snow blower. I never burn oil and the engines start right up every time.
And yet many, many people keep pushing it forward.. i any understand that money can be tight but you are doing more harm than good pushing it forward..
Actually overly frequent changes can cause intake and catalyst issues. The big reason OEMS are heavily pushing longer drain intervals.
@Bobby Brady Virgin motor oil has a very high rate of evaporation relative to used. Evaporative byproducts of motor oil sucked into the intake through the PCV and crankcase breather causes the GDI intake contamination occlusion problem.
Full synthetic at 5000 mi or 12 months for me. (I never used to hit the time interval, but I'm retired now, so I don't drive everyday.)
Oil, is the most contentious subject on most social media sites related to car/motorcycle enthusiasts. I find find it amusing that people will not use synthetic oil cuz it cost too much, and then post pictures of all kinds of useless bling, that they install on the cars or bikes. The best oil, is cheap insurance, in my opinion.
I've been using Castrol GTX oil since 1974. I've had it in motorcycles... three wheelers ..Acuras ..Chevys.. Fords.. you name it. Never had any trouble. Change every 5000 miles. Oil gets contaminated with all kinds of stuff. I'm not saying synthetics are not good oils cuz I'm sure they are. But the oils of 1970s are not the oils of today. Dinosaur oil is still great oil.
Or cheap oil and change it more often
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou out here in the sticks we can get dino oil for $1.50 a quart. When your 230k mile engine leaks from every gasketed surface its pretty handy to live on the cheap.
A $2 quart of oil that has all the certifications is as good as your $10 quart of oil that has the same certifications. You can change the $2 quart of oil 5x more often for the same price (minus the oil filter extra cost).
Where synthetics will shine better is under extreme conditions, like below zero it will retain its flow better.
So, a 5 quart engine you will save $40 an oil change, there is some of that 'useless bling' you are talking about. Maybe I think your $30 a side wipers are bling when some rain-x on the windshield you could go without wipes 99% of the time and cheapo wipers for $2 each can do good enough for that last 1% of the time.
Maybe I find your car having power steering and a/c to be bling you paid extra for on your car, as well as your automatic transmission. You could save a ton of money buying a hyundai accent without power windows. Your heated steering wheels and seats are also bling. Imagine how many more synthetic oil changes you could do if you bought a base model fiesta instead of a Rav4!!!! Even better, ride a bicycle and you only have to oil your chain!!! You'll be much healthier to boot! Cars are useless bling in general! Use public transportation, better for everyone for your bling not to be spewing fumes in the air!!!
The only contentious thing is the pretentious people like you who assume people who personalize their car don't care for it. Yes, people argue, but there is actual science out there to have a factual opinion on the subject. Remember, people will argue over anything, and many people preferred to remain uninformed so they don't have to change their paradigm. And yes, people do stupid shit to their vehicles, like the 30 degree camber stance crowd, 'stretching' skinny tires on wide rims and cutting springs; but just saying useless bling, well that is so vague and subjective, it is a pointless, selfish statement.
I use only full syn and do a 3k oil change even though vw thinks 10k is ok fuck that noise syn is not for longer drops but longer life so do not thing full syn with a longer drop interval will actually save you money it doesn't and wont
I know this is an older video. I buy used cars that broke in a looooong time ago! My 12 Kia Forte came to me with 91K on it in Feb of '21. I now have 143K on it. No leaks, burn or use...period. The only difference I see on the stick is color. Level stays where it's supposed to. With all the talk lately about Hyundai and Kia engines, I think I got a good one! Thanks Eric for all you do to educate us out here.
Ok, I am something a bit more than the average DIY parking lot mechanic (used to work some time ago as a diesel mechanic on cruise ships), but years away from the PRO you are. I am just glad that you confirmed some of my regular practices (that I didn't learn from some one, I just used common sense), and will continue watching you videos with a lot of interest. As for the oil - 3000-3500 for smaller, city driven, small oil pan 4-6cyl engines is enough. For my V8 5.3L work van which I mainly use on the highway I can stretch it for a 4000-5000 or even a bit more service interval. This was my way of thinking and even if I used full synt and at the time of the oil change, the oil passed the 'rubbing finger test', I did it like this.
My first three oil changes are done at 600 mile intervals. I see no problem doing it. It's mine and I'll do what I want with it. Like you said, "Cheap Insurance".
yes.
Amen to that , fully agree..
I agree totally on the foil lid. I was so disturbed about that I wrote to Mobile one. They sell the best oil, but have this dangerous side effect of trying to get the package open without introducing a piece of foil in the process. I suggested they use what comes in a quart of orange juice. Its a foil seal with a 1/2 flap that you pull, it comes off easily and completely. Orange juice 3 dollars, Mobile one 25 dollars, seems a no brainer. As expected I never heard anything back from them.
If you can't get an oil seal off, Jay. I don't want you on the road. Maybe in the road, but not in a car.
We have it on milk here in Australia, they just started doing it a couple years ago. They don’t always come off cleanly, or at all, and sometimes you have to pierce the seal with scissors.
@@garymiller2056 If you're implying that anyone who would let a bit of foil get into their crankcase by mistake shouldn't be on the road, you might need to recalibrate your automotive morality meter unless you've never made a mistake yourself. No one is immune to mistakes- just ask Eric O! Arguing for a seal design that doesn't introduce the potential for oil contamination seems like a logical improvement to me. Telling someone they shouldn't be on the road because of some arbitrary container-opening test is a weird qualification- Maybe California will add that to their regs someday. ;). Let's all hope their test container isn't a Capri-sun with a broken straw.
@@MediumHalf Gary Miller is an obvious child and his mommy should take his computer privileges away.
Use a funnel with a screen.
We always change oil on new or rebuilt engines. The main point is it can't hurt even if you don't agree...………………..Nice job Eric
Hey, YOU are the mechanic with the knowledge and experience. I am the retired software engineer with 35 years experience. I will always trust your advice. Keep the faith, brother. Keep the faith. Mike in CA.
Man Kia has come a long way, I remember when it was a good idea to take a new Kia to the shop and make sure all the bolts were tight.
Or the good ol, “buy one, get one free,” sales they used to run. Buy a van, get a basic model coupe/sedan.
I do all these steps when I do an oil change. old or new engine. It makes me feel good.
Been wrenching since the late 70’s..I change the oil in all my vehicles between 3,000-3,500 miles..I’ve been told I’m wasting money..well it’s my money and it’s my car..Happy New Year to the O’s from Pennsylvania.
I do what the owners manual states to do. That's your best reference guide. Love the channel.
I was schooled in break in oil via a JD Tech, who had many hours of classroom training from Deer. The atypical property of break in oil includes a fine, clay. While at first glance, a clay body to oil particulate might seem odd, but he went on to mention, via engineering delivery, the clay, acted much like polish. There in to reduce friction points at close tolerance. With, a strict interval to the next hour, mile (metered) change out. After that initial "break in", recommended "spec" as per your EU example, was the recommended fill. For this reason, break in oil was not suitable for a "top off" of a working engine...and should be understood to indeed, break in only as use.
As for interval, I suspect multiples of opinion. But I use 3000 miles, in part because I like to fuss over the needed change to inspect everything and execute interior clean. Glass, wipers, tire tread, and grease any zerk fittings. That interval care at visual inspection, can catch and prevent
costly larger issues. Clean air filters save gas costs. Well maintained cars add to drive safety. M.
mark mcgary )
Had a rep on my ship for the engines (really big diesels, 3500 hp), had a case where rings wouldn't seat, ran engine tied to pier at high idle and shook Bon Ami cleanser (hasn't scratched yet) into intake, problem solved. thankfully pier didn't move.
Agree with break-in oil change being done at 1k miles.
Also agree with OCI at severe.
To the doubters: RTFM... OBEY it too.
Eric your right on the money.. new oil/ new filter cheap insurance.
My older brother has a 2000 Ford Super duty Dooley , Trident V 10 gas rig ., 2 valve Awesome gas mileage 😝
454,000 mile original miles, rebuilt transmission .. religiously changes the oil every 3,500 -4,000 miles..Ca emissions passes without fail, uses it everyday for work… he works that truck!!
Thanks again,
Great video!
So rare to see such a clean underside of a car on this channel. I never follow the manufacturer's recommendation on the number of miles before changing the oil. My Grandfather always preached that you change the oil every 3000 miles, and I have followed that advice to this day. I have never had a major mechanical problem on any of my vehicles and I typically keep a vehicle for at least 10 years. I do the same on my motorcycle. When people criticize me, I just reply that I am not asking them to pay for the oil.
Nicely done, guy~ As a former Hyundai/Kia lube technician, I can say the factory filter is a very high quality and the use of Mobil 1 synthetic at the first oil change is a very good move~ As far as the supplier of bulk oil at dealerships is concerned, it really can vary a LOT. I've worked at some dealers where they bring in some off-branded oil that is distributed by Valvoline, Shell or even Chevron, and even one sad dealership that actually had the gall to use Pennzoil (BARF!). I also totally agree on your service interval on Mobil 1, as it will be totally acceptable in your area for your use.
Keep up the awesome work and videos. Love the channel. If I'm ever in your neck of the woods and need work done on my car, I'm certain to stop in and see ya~ B-)
Mobil 1 and there filters I use on my Lexus and VW both V6
Hi, I think you are doing it fine with the oil change, The MAHLE brand ( pronounced MAALE ) is a German quality brand that makes a lot of car stuff, I think they started out making pistons, I would love to be living near to you, you would for sure taking care of my car. A good old handmade thumbs up to you and yours.
Oil is cheaper than metal. You always have good information. Thank You
1999 Toyota Tacoma 4WD Mobil 1 Synthetic since it’s 1st oil change. Every 4,000 miles for the last 20 years. My brother thinks I change it too often but I point out I still own the same truck. Works for me regular fluid changes and correct fluid volumes.
i have a camry same oil in go around 5k do a lot of high speed interstate driving
Thanks for the tip! Man wish you were located around me!
Me too. All my cars would go to him
A clean engine is a happy engine less wear less heat if you do it eric o style thanks eric this is VERY VALUEABLE INFRORMATION.
I always followed the same practice on my vehicles of changing the oil and filter at less than 3K mi. when new and 5000 mi. from then on. Past 6 years using the Mobil ! oil...Never had an engine problem and most are running over 200K without any problems....Keep up the excellent advice and work..and videos
I've always heard about a break in oil change on a rebuilt engine but not on a brand new car. However I've wondered about that. Watching you check the oil and filter for particles explains all very well.
I really like how you choke up on the wrench and ratchet when tightening to keep from over tightening. Hope the viewers caught that too. Excellent Bruddah.
Please elaborate, interested in what you are referring to.
@@mikewoo7999 13mins 35 seconds into the video. its the technique of holding the wrench to apply leverage close to the oil drain plug as opposed the the end of the the wrench to apply a greater amount of pressure with increased leverage. Baseball also has "choking up on the bat" the position your hands sit higher up to reduce some of the properties of how hard you swing the bat.
I do my oil changes at the same interval and I too have never had an engine fail on me. I call it cheap insurance!
You never know when the oil will break down it’s always a good thing to change before it gets there relatively cheap insurance for an engine And a good filter I see so many people buying the cheapest filters for a $60,000 vehicle makes no sense Awesome videos
Always cheaper to change the oil, than the engine! Keep up the good work.
"You would think i killed a unicorn" Best LMFAO comment ever!
Can't fault the logic. Pretty much exactly what I'd do. It's called preventative maintenance.
Except more oil changes is the root cause of the GDI intake problems.
I call it "Pre Planned Maintenance". As soon as you figure the average mileage, it's easy enough to set the service interval without setting counters.
All I'd worry about is the old "Cobblers son" syndrome.
@@markpitz3800 I'm unsure if you could be any more wrong. Congrats?
Old story about top end work tells me you are the rock star. IF YOU CAN DO IT , MEANS I CAN'T.
Wow, you should turn up your furnace, 6F is pretty cold in your shop! ... guess the temp display in that Kia takes a while to update. I've been using Mobil 1 since 1976. Back then it was $4.00 a quart ($18.00 adjusted for inflation) and was only available from Mobil service stations. I change it in my 2018 Silverado according to the OLM (oil life monitor) which works out to around 7500 miles. It holds 8 quarts, so I figure that would be like a 3500ish oil change on the V8 engines of old that "only" held 5 quarts. I also do an early oil change on new engines. Honda was adamant about NOT changing the oil early, claiming they use a special break-in oil, so I stretched the first change to 2,500 on that engine (V6). It is so nice to work on a new car. Everything is pristine! Congratulations on the new vehicle. I'm sure Mrs. O is thrilled!
I think break in oil is a good thing I also belive it's good to change it sooner then later
Hyundai/Kia oil filters are fabulous quality filters. I use them on my Honda.
I did the same thing when I drained my break in oil. I could see the little sparkles in your oil. Looked just like mine. I rebuilt my first engine and I was amazed at the sparkles in the oil. Excellent video Eric
Nice that you take the time to dissect the old filter
19:41 Absolutely on Ford engines! Earlier this fall I had to replace the oil filter cooler block gasket on my 2006 2.3L Escape. After the job was done, filled with oil, checked level on stick 3 times, topped off, sent my wife down the road. 2 days later--big oil leak near the rear main seal...I had gotten tricked by the stick and overfilled the damn thing. It seems to bubble up the dipstick tube while running and gives a cold, false-positive reading, and must check level like 5 or 6 times until you get a constant reading....ugh.
The divot on the top is so it will drain if you are changing your oil while your Car is upside down.
Thats funny ..pissa....🤣
I like that!
Out of the box thinking you see, its what makes the country great!!
Lol
Works perfectly in Australia
Agree 100% Eric O.. Change the breakin within 1000miles.
Also,I do the same with synthetic oil and shorter intervals. Under severe duty and as cheap as it is, its a no brainier.
Love the channel, keep up the goodness!
I have always used the same engine oil break-in procedure. Change oil/filter around first 1,000 miles. I also have run Mobil-1 full synthetic for years and have had 0 engine problems in 20+ years. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work.
Mobil 1 every 5000 miles no exceptions. great video Eric. Good luck with the new sled Mrs O!
You are another yelper that falls for Mobile 1 hype
I love the smell of brake clean in the morning....
I’m an old school mechanic and totally agree with you on the low mileage oil changes, all my cars have the oil changed around the 4000 miles.
This has to be one of the best informative CZcams repair channels I would love to take to my 4 runner to your shop only if south main auto wasnt so far! Keep Up the good work love that sound effect by the way!!
19:16 thank you! I got a G70 3.3 recently and I noticed the ticks are pretty loud, but do quiet out after warmup.
ahh the brakeleen shot made my day Eric O's the man!
100% agree with you. Oil and filter are cheap. Much cheaper then and engine. I didn't know the Kia filters are cheaper at the dealership, good to know. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your channel. Thanks
Great to see you working on something that is not rusted/crusted, some fresh meat for a change. Also interesting to see the metal shards in the filter pleats great forensics there...Finally your story about silver oil jug cover pieces getting into oil passages scared me, thanks.
Thank you for confirming the "break in" function on new/rebuilt engines. Of the engines I have worked with, only one had ridges in the cylinders at rebuild point, It had not been "broken in" instead had the oild changed at 5k from day one. (rebuild was occurring at 75k).
Have always broken engines in, and always will. Thanks again. PS: change the filter every time. ;)
I Change the oil within the first 1000 miles on Break in after I run 3000 mile intervals for oil changes I have vehicles that have 260000 miles and still have the same power as when they was new
Well , here's one for you. I have a 2008 Tundra 4.7 v-8. It is pool service truck in Phoenix. We do 10,000 mile changes with Mobil 1 , this truck has 355,000 miles now and runs as good as ever. I'm just sayin .
USE SYNTHETIC AT 5-7000 MILES
3500 IS TOO EARLY FOR ANY OIL CHANGE
GO BY THE MILES NOT THE MONTHS
That logic will hurt you with GDI due to excessive exposure to new motor oil.
OMG ! We're going back to the past ! I remember changing oil on 1950's trucks with cartridge oil filters. I hope this is not a trend. I like spin-on filters.
With my 2018 it had a 500 mile break-in that I followed per the manual and I changed the oil at 1000 miles. Nice video!
I follow 3k for Conventional, 4/5k for Syn Blend Depending on vehicle, 6k for Syn with gas engines. My diesel I usually run about 5-6K.
I've always been the guy who changes the oil more frequently than what the service manual suggests. As a rule of thumb, we know it has always been 3000 miles until recent years, where we now see some at 15000 mile intervals. I don't care what anyone says, I do not buy that and will never allow a vehicle I own to go that far. My vehicles get oil and filter at 2500 to 3000. Perhaps it seems like overkill to some, but I prefer sooner rather than later. Considering the VVT systems in todays engines, along with turbos and higher revving ability, it stands to reason that oil changes should be done more often, not less. Of course there are plenty who will disagree, and that's fine. Great video Eric!
Actually it's the opposite these days, GDI intakes are clogged by the evaporative byproducts of Virgin motor oil.
Following your gut instead of following expert advice is fine, but don't go telling other people to do it. Just because you want to waste money for good feelings doesn't mean everyone else should. 3000 mile oil change intervals just increase the cost of ownership of a car, when that money could be spent on other maintenance that is often neglected due to how tight the average car owner's wallet is.
And yes I know you're disclaiming your words with "plenty will disagree, and that's fine" but the truth is you should keep it to yourself rather than spreading it where people might fall victim to that superstitious way of thinking as many have. The sooner the myth dies the better for everyone.
Don't guess, know. After a 1k mile short change on the wife's new minivan we decided to go with the fuel quality monitor. Got it changed at 11,500 miles and had a retain sample taken which I sent to a lab. Report said it still had like 40% life left in most of the additives and very little breakdown products. Modern engines with modern synthetic oil can go a hell of a long time.
Joe's Auto Electric I do the same thing
Wholeheartedly agree Eric. I change every 3k to 3.5k..no matter what. Like you said..."it's just my thing." Enjoyed the video!
Love your video's and show, with my new ram pickup I ran 700 miles then had the first oil change , never regretted it , followed break in procedure for the 5.7 hemi and the exhaust pipe as clean as day one . agree this is something many people overlook
SMA, Please do a video applying Fluid Film on Ms. O’s Kia!
I love brake clean but goddamn you really let it rip
I had a friend who bought an Eagle Talon New Years ago and never changed the oil! It was about 29,000 miles before the engine seized but lucky for him the dealer warrantied the engine!
I buy my cars and don't lease so oil changes are cheap insurance for me too. I tend to keep my cars for 100,000 - 200,000 miles. I change my own oil and I use full synthetic and change it every 4000 miles. I do a lot of short trips, my commute is only 19 miles to work and in the winter the oil temp is just getting to the normal range when I pull in. In the summer I do a lot of idling so 4000 miles is just right for me. Plus my car is a 4 cylinder turbo charged GDI engine. Thanks again for the video.
2:55 - Now I have to use the restroom. I love the idea of doing this type of break-in oil change. Get that "glitter" out of there, since oil & filters are pretty cheap! Good story about the foil seal found in the Mitsubishi.
I was told, and the internet agreed, that Kia oil filters are very good quality. The filter from an Optima/Rio in Australia fits many Hondas (B,H,K series) exactly and they cost 1/4 of what the Honda dealer charges here. I still have a stockpile of Honda filters but when they're gone...
What I heard, Coffee Head, haha, Is Kia filters have a higher flow rate. Eric is smart using them on his (her) new Kia.
I really like your videos, I drive a 79 & 83 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, one in winter (rusty) one in summer ( no rust 😊) I change the oil once a year on both with Rotell T-6, neither use any oil both are at about 300,000 miles. In Alaska we have severe weather, they do great ! Best part no electronics, simple mechanical diesels
Love your vids Eric you are first class. And YES I agree totally about the oil. My cast iron 3.0 Vulcan in my Taurus (1999) has 361K on it with 3000 mile oil change intervals. She runs great, no ticks clacks or rattles and has good power. And wow I lie not I may add a pint, yes that's right a pint of oil between changes and rarely at that! I believe in maintenance and agree with you 150%. Great vids and too funny at times. A joy to watch!
My wife is Chinese. No point in me worrying about break in oil and engine longevity when I know she will total the car prematurely. The dealer tried to sell me an extended warranty when I bought the car. I said 'Extended Warranty? For What? My wife is Chinese.'
You don't need to be Race Specific , Michael, all Women drive like that.
Me love you long time...
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How much signal I need cut across 8 lane? None? I turn now!
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I'm shocked to see that much metal content floating around in a new modern engine. Thankfully the filter is doing its job.
I wonder if hoodoo would have that much crop floating about
I just sold a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7 and it had 210k on the original motor,I was the second owner and I kept with the routine of the original owner and changed the oil at 2500 miles and I had no issues,in fact, I had to replace a broken valve spring and when I pulled the valve cover I couldn't believe how clean it was in there,I even checked the timeing chain and it was nice and tight,so yes changing your oil on the regular is definitely beneficial
First, I really enjoy your channel: great videos, practical advise, and honest service...keep up the good work. Second, I do agree with early oil changes on a new vehicle - it helps in flushing out all the machining residue and debris. Given your desire to perform short 3500 - 3750 mi OCIs, I personally would use a high-quality conventional oil. Mobil 1 5W30 is great oil, but changing it so early is just very expensive; whereas, a good conventional PCMO would provide great protection and save you money.
didn't want to change the timing belt on the old honda so Mrs. O got a new car lol. i do all my oil changes at 5000 miles as well. with variable valve timing and how finicky the solenoids and phasers can be is cheap enough to do.
You seem to forget that Eric O already did the timing belt long way ago. It was never filmed in the process. It was mentioned in the WUW last year.
@@AP9311 i never catch the WuWs my bad.
I agree with you Eric, I am a firm believer in changing oil on my vehicles at short intervals, filter change as well. I do it myself so money isn't an issue, I don't see how anyone could argue against changing oil often, I never heard about an engine failure due to changing oil too often.
GDI intake contamination issues are caused by excessive exposure to low quality Virgin motor oil. In these engines changing oil more often than spec is literally one of the worst things that a person can do to such engines.
I use synthetic Mobil 1 in all my ten vehicles (except for my diesel Mercedes in which I use Chevron Delo 400SDE). On the higher mileage ones, I do opt for the high mileage version. I have found that it reduces oil consumption on my BMW m54b25 engine with 200k miles. I change my oil every 5k and almost always send it in to Blackstone for analysis. Cars are doing well overall. Thanks for the great videos. I like watching your channel because it helps me, as a shade tree mechanic working on my own cars, develop some good habits and advanced techniques.
Every video has some sage advice. My inclination has always been to meticulously peel off the seal. On food bottles and jars, too. Changing the oil lesson seems pretty basic, but like usual SMA/Eric O. shows us more.
For rebuilt motors and even brand new motors I think it's cheap insurance and a great practice
yes.
I do rhe same. 1000 mile oil change on new/rebuild engines. On the transmission, 10000 mile spill and fill change too
I am getting to be a senior citizen at age 62, I have broke in quite a few brand new motors in. I know the modern manufacturing of engines has come a long way. I still do my 1 2 3 oil & filter changes at 500mi, 1000, 1500 miles. then every 4500 miles. I know it is overkill but I am a seasoned mechanic and that is my way of "taking the trash out".
Since the early 1980’s I have used AMSOIL. I have changed oil on new cars and trucks between 500 and 1000 miles. Then switched to AMSOIL and change it once per year or every 15,000 miles. Never had any problems yet.
"That thing was dryer than a popcorn fart..." lmao, I needed a good laugh today
Never owned a new car to ever change break in oil. But, I have always changed mine every 3,000. Always looked at as you said cheap insurance.
For the tin foil, yes make sure every lose bit of it is gone. Had a customer come in with a steering rack leaking. Changed it all went well until I started it. Morning, groaning all kinds of noise. Come to find out there was foil blocking a port in the reservoir
I lost some foil in my power steering reservoir a few years ago and spent an hour trying to fish it out.
Agreed 100% in "Break in" oil & filter changes. Spent nearly 30 years in the Ag tractor business. WE always figured in break-in oil & filter change on new tractor sales and never had a engine related issue not caused by owner/operator error. For our personal and business vehicles we did break-in if/when be bought new vehicles. Beyond that I have always done oil & filter changes at 3k to 3500 miles. Have heard hundreds of times, oil & filter maintenance is always cheaper than engine rebuilds and I agree. On some occasions, if we were interested in engine condition via oil investigation, we bought a package of commercial coffee filters,(large diameter), set one in a large funnel then drained the oil into that filter. They always caught evidence of wear via metal particles, large & small. Filter cutaways also were done. Same went for diesel fuel filters.... $ 0.02
I have the exact engine in my 2020 Sorento. I love doing my own oil changes. I figured how to do it without taking everyone of those 10mm bolt out for the splash guard, just a few of them. Any way, love your channel man.