Getting my new CNC DIALED! // Vacuum Table Workholding & T-Track Fixture Table
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- čas přidán 24. 10. 2020
- Learn how to add a DIY vacuum workholding table and a t-track fixture table to an Avid 4x8 CNC router! These two spoilboard options give me tons of flexibility for clamping material to my CNC and should make clamping and cutting parts on the CNC a breeze.
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🤖 AVID CNC PRO4896 4' x 8' CNC Router Kit : bit.ly/AVIDPRO4896
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🛠 Materials Used On The Vacuum Table and T-Track Table Build (affiliate):
🔹 Rockler Universal T-Track : www.rockler.com/universal-t-t...
🔹 Rockler #6 Screws : www.rockler.com/square-x-driv...
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It's always funny how machines like this turn into projects. The first two months of owning a 3D printer I spent printing more parts for the 3D printer. XD
I sooo want to add one of these to my shop! Thanks for letting us enjoy yours.
7:52 that slide was sooooo satisfying.
TIP! close the edges of the MDF with white wood glue. that way your spoilboard is going to have 40% more suction power.
I really enjoyed seeing this go together and the mystery of the vacuum pump through the mdf!
I think you just sold me on getting an avid cnc. The vacuum hold down is a game changer.
It's amazing the everyone with a CNC seems to go through the same evolutionary process of trying to come up with the perfect clamping/spoil board solution. We are on iteration 4 or 5 at this point having initially tried the same things you are doing :)
What methods do you like the most?
Fantastic build Johnny. That machine is a beast.
Awesome set up brother! Time to see some killer CNC projects.
You can put some t nuts into your melamine vacuum zone piece and then create a file for your CNC to cut out recessed mounting holes that match the t nuts. This allows for repeatable mounting for your spoil board and it saves your melamine piece from multiple screw holes in it over time.
Good idea!
Glad you got a CNC, I love my AvidCNC.
great video + presentation + explanation! well done mate! thanks for sharing!
"Rockler", "Rockler", "Rockler"- relentless product placement.
First of all. F%$K YES. first video I have seen that is quick - doesn't bull%&T and focuses on sharing knowledge - secondly thank you! I hope we can someday make vids that share like this too - we've modded our avid and really happy with the result. Need to make a video too!
Use nylon screws to hold down the spoil board. Never ruin a bit by hitting a screw. When you have to change the spoil board (and you will) they can just be cut out.
Great tip!
Pretty interesting process, dude! Great work! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Daaaaaammmmn Son... Nice setup... The possibilities with the CNC are endless..
Yes they are! Can't wait to really get some use out of it once it comes time to build all of the cabinetry for the house I'm building at the moment.
One thing we do at our shop to help suction through the MDF is seal the sides with some spray paint.
Great job on the vacuum setup! This video helped me a bunch! Would you mind sharing your feed and speeds that you used for the vacuum table?
Buying a couple tables, soon. Thanks for providing useful information. Any regrets or things you'd configure differently, now that you've used it for a while? I'll be running both router and plasma. Starting a new shop in Westchester, NY.
Thats incredible. Nice job.
How loud is the vacuum. I know you'll have dust collection/CNC running at the same time, I was just curious on its own as well as with everything running altogether.
It sucks through the MDF? 🤯. That’s sick!
wouldn´t believe it if someone tell me that this is working
"Brady Vac". Been using it for years. It IS sick!
Been working with a Homag Vantage 12L for a few years now and it uses the same principle. Low quality mdf is best to use as it lets through more air. Nice about this industrial machine is the work area. About 3600x1700mm.;)
Is this simply relying on the porosity of the MDF? I was wondering the same question.
Just found this. DANG BUBBA!!!! Very Very nice setup!!!!
Okay now I'm thinking about this model over the Axiom.
Damn that’s cool. Congrats on an awesome setup!
Thanks man! Your CNC setup is pretty damn sweet too.
Fantastic Video! Thanks for sharing
I have a large CNC router with a vacuum system. I didn’t see if you used gasketing in the plenum. It makes a big difference. I split my spoilboard so I can slide the front section onto the back and then use gaskets right on the plenum for huge holding power when doing surface work or engraving.
Do you have a diagram that can explain this more. I don't quite understand
Oh man what a machine ! :D I want it soooo bad !
I got an x-carve. But its... limited i should say.
Good work man !
Bind the edges of the mdf spoil board, too. It'll really help focus the vacuum to a quadrant
it's faster and easier to put 2 coats of shellac on the edges of the MDF
Very cool and thanks for the video!!!
Hi. Any idea of the minimum negative vacuum pressure, needed for a simular vac-system?
Can you put t-track directly into the flow through MDF piece if you sealed the track groove? I realize the area where the track is would not have suction, but any other issues doing that?
For the drawer slide issue, couldn't you have routed out some material off each side of the drawer on the router table? or was it too much material?
Cool setup!
Nice setup !
awesome video... informative and well done.
I would like to know what size spindle are you using I have the same cnc table from cnc router parts.
to improve holding just lay clingfilm over the part and surrounding area.
Great project
Curious did you glue all of the pvc fittings for the Hurricane?
I will own one of these when my shop is built I promise
Do you have a video or a site with what software you use for your CNC Workflow? CAD > CAM > Machining [I saw mach4 or mach3] [Does Aspire function as a CAD and CAM?]
love your videos man
For a tad better vacuum, seal the side of your spoil board with the fast edge. There is a little bit if leakage thru the edge. Great video
Good tip, thanks!
@@craftedworkshop wood glue works too.
Also add a gasket between your vacuum grid and your spoilboard
@@nathwald That was what I had thought the square pattern was going to be used for. It is pretty much standard with metalworking machine vacuum fixture plates.
For small or garage CNC setups would a Hurricane vacuum system cost too much in electricity to be worth the install?
Dude, Thats badass...
May I ask if you have the 4HP or the 8HP spindle mounted to the router?
When Jonny calls it bitsbits so many times, the company eventually just drops the & from their name. lol
I have the same 4x8 router and vacuum system. I think you're gonna find you don't want all those screws and inserts in your spoilboard. If you are using this table as often I would expect, you'll quickly tear up your spoilboard and lose vacuum power. You'll want to resurface it fairly regularly and all those screws will just become a pain in the butt. Just glue the lightweight MDF to the plenum board and when you want the t-track board, attach it with wood screws in the corners. I go 98% through my spoilboard and then just glue another one on top. Works great.
I was wondering if both of you plumbed with schedule 20 or 40?
does the glue hinder the suction from the vacuum when you glue the spoilboard to the plenum?
@@nitrousair No. Just glue completely around the edges and then in small spots scattered around the board. The air will pull right around it. Be sure and take a millimeter off the bottom side of the MDF that will attach to the plenum, then flip it, glue it and surface the other side completely.
Curious, what did the full setup set you back ? CNC DC VAC ? Cheers
beast of CNC??
Do you have the Cut2d files or CAD files for the board for download? What are the size of the squares and spacing between the squares?
What software did you use for the cabinet? Thanks
this was great!
I love it!
Seems like that dust collector isn’t powerful enough? Have you seen the double sided dust boot?
Is there any way you would share your finished file for the routing on the plenum?
Hello, I'm getting ready to order a Avid machine. How do you like it? Do you feel the leg kit is stable enough? Thanks
Why don't you use the powermatic cyclone dust extractor on the cnc machine
Bro, I have a question, which type of Stepper motor did you use for X and Y? Nema 34? I am also planning to make my own CNC. The size of the CNC will be aproximately the same with your CNC's. can I use Nema 23 (the strongest one with 112 length and 3 N.m). can this stepper motor handle it? please give your suggestion, thanks!
Do you not have to use rubber in your grid under your spoilboard?
Very cool.. what is the total approximate cost to setup like this?
Could you tell me what software you use to design the cabinets?
Q: Did you make or buy that Dust Shoe? Looks solid! Polycorbonate perhaps. Mine has a bit of give (made out of HDPE from the Avid Instructions). It works, but I like the appearance of yours... thus the query. Thanks for taking the time to reply (AND make these videos. MUCH APPRECIATED & Learned)
Hey Johnny! What type of headphones have you been using in your videos?
Love the videos
Can you tell me wich vacuum did you use ??
I love your videos, I am awaiting my Avid 4*9 cnc with ATC in about 4 weeks and want to do the vacuum table like you just did! Is there a reason you didn't just glue the MDF onto the plenum instead of screws? Just easier to replace when needed? Thanks for the videos
What atc spindle and system did you go with?
@@roeschdan I went with CNC Depot's S30. I should finally have it all up and running by end of the week
Thanks for the video! I’m currently planning out my Cnc purchase. Are you running off of 3 phase or single phase? And if single phase, does the drop ~2hp drop in power still machine like a boss? I.e single pass cuts on 3/4” plywood with decent feed rates? Thanks!
Single pass cuts on 3/4 ply would be rough on any hobbyist/consumer grade CNC. I normally make 2 or 3 passes. Also helps make sure you have time to stop the machine if it looses a step and eats into a good part
How much will this machine run full assembly.
salut quel est la puissante de ta pompe a vide ? je voudrai faire une table a vide aussi ma table fais 1.5mx1.4m merci
Are you drilling your holes with the router bit, or changing out the router bit for a drill bit, and then running a separate drill program?
For the t-track table, I just used a standard router bit.
is it strong enough to double as a vacuum former? Would just need a heat box to mount above the table then to heat the plastic.
I did this with mine, I vacuum formed plastazote foam. I'm using two dust extractors for vacuum.
what was the cost of the hurricane vacuum ?
Q: what was you reasons to pick this brand CNC over the others? Thank you...
Hey man do you have the file for the plenum board with the grid!
Something I don't get it. You made on a melamine board plenty of groove for the air of the vacuum to pass after that you had a Prestwood board over that vacuum board and I saw you plane that board on both side after that you put and small board over that Prestwood and put the vacuum ON, the vacuum pump vacuum that board down across that Prestwood. If there is a Prestwood over the groove how the air pass for vacuuming down that small board? I never saw you drill hold on that Prestwood. At 6:30 on the video. Sorry, I missing something here. By the way that very nice work.
Could you do a dean ml style guitar build sometime?
Awesome! You mentioned you selected the Blum under mount slides in the software. Which cabinet software are you using? Or is that part of Aspire?
You can download Dynaplan that is a Blum software for building cabinets
Looks like he is using mozaik. Awesome software
How do you predrill holes with a router? 🤯
Which cabinet design software were you using that allowed you to choose the drawer slides? And would you be willing to do a small video about it?
I’ll be going into it in my next video! I used Mozaik.
Where do you get the canister filter? It is not on the supply list provided. 🙂
It comes with the Blackbox unit.
how much did this entire setup cost? Avids website only has a price for the mechanical portion, everything else is broken out be separate parts
great to see woodworkers trusting computer aided machines
How big is that vacuum pump you use?
What's the software you use?..cheers
How much did that machine set you back?
What cabinet CAD software is that?
im waiting on final delivery of my 60"x60" pro from avid.
Nice!
We are installing our Hurricane right now as I am writing this and I noticed that your filter can is connected backwards. Blue sticker on the side of the can says (from CNC). Did that cause any problems so far?
Wow, good looking out! Hasn't caused issues but I'll definitely fix that before using it again.
i so want one !!!!!!!!
Would you mine sharing your post for mozaik? Its taking a long time to get mine.
what CNC software do you use?
need to see inside the vacuum pump please.
That's some impressive suction but I would think that type usage would be hard on the vacuum sucking against MDF which isn't solid but it's adhesive or wood particulate it's not exactly hollow.
Is there a way to run a test on your programming until you get more experience so you don't destroy expensive wood?
Can you link to the auto z mounting bracket 3d print code please :-)
Immense work...
Where do I find the glue you use to glue in the T-track?
I think he said, "CA Glue," which is cyanoacrilate, or "Super Glue." For even faster setting, use CA on one side, and CA accelerator on the other.
You mentioned Legacy Woodworking for one of the designs (can't remember if it was the vacuum table or the t-track table) but both of these designs are from Legacy. You may have modified the hole pattern to fit your machine, but the designs are Legacy's.
Also, as commented below, the fine dust from milling MDF acts more like a gas than dust and will stay in the air for hours. Check out Shop Hacks for an air filtration system. I built one and it works great to clear the air of really fine dust particles, as well as circulating the heat and air conditioning.
I have a Legacy Maverick 3x5 with ATC. More money, but much beefier machine than the Avid.
Yes, I mentioned that the design was based on Legacy's and would have linked to their video but it appears they removed it from their channel for some reason. I'll check out that filtration system!