Multiverse of Madness CAUSED BY LOKI & SYLVIE? (Feige Confirms!)
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- Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is confirmed to be linked with Loki, Kang, and Spider-Man No Way Home by Marvel head Kevin Feige! Thanks to Keeps for sponsoring this video! Head to keeps.com/NewRockstars to get 50% off your first Keeps order.
At the premiere of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness this week, Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige finally confirmed how the events of Loki, Spider-Man No Way Home, and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness connect, with all of their Multiverse crises linked in a chain of events! Erik Voss breaks down the new details we learned about the dawn of the Multiverse in the MCU and what that tells us about the backstory in Multiverse of Madness!
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Hi
I just watch here in Philippines on may 4, 2022
why were yu so fidgety at the screening? I mean was it deliberate or spontaneous?
So smart to put it in the comments because i don't think anyone goes to the description anymore
I was wondering when you guys was going to address this
I just always thought Sylvie killing Kang is what broke the multiverse. Nobody to guard the sacred timeline means nexus events can happen whenever.
It isn’t the reason? 💀
@@xwqleed what?
I believe what started it was the nexus event that started on the doomed planet with loki and silvy. That nexus event was never resolved, and it crossed the threshold while loki and silvy were talking to he who remains. I believe that nexus event was special, because unlike the others, it was caused by he who remains himself. That's why he told them about that moment while he was talking to them.
@@kurtneytodman9360 Ahh ok, that makes a lot of sense.
Same!! He Who Remains is what kept the sacred timeline in tact, and without him, that was it. Multiverse broken
If I recall, Dr. Strange says in NWH “This shouldn’t even be possible” when it breaks. I took that as confirmation that something (Loki) had changed to make cross-universe incursions possible.
This is the correct answer.
@@paulconroy6894 lol
I love you used incursions word lol
Good insight. True Marvel fan here
Ye
That just makes what Sylvie said soooo much more true, "the universe wants to break free, so it manifests Chaos"
and Chaos is what Wanda's Scarlett Witch is all about
And Loki is the God of chaos
@@theronin9984Lol 😂
@@theronin9984 nahhh SW is embodiment of true chaos
It all feels so much simpler to me. Pre-Loki, there was no timeline multiverse at all because the TVA just pruned everything that wasn’t “MCU canon”. The parallel bands are part of the sacred timeline, like the mirror dimension, astral, dark dimension, quantum realm, etc.
HWR’s death means variants can exist PERIOD. And since the event happens outside of time, branches can form anywhere on the timeline, past, present, and future. And thus in our mortal characters’ perception, the multiverse had “always” existed.
Only Loki and Sylvie know there was ever a “pre”-multiverse.
Ooooooh... this is the best explanation I've heard.
I agree that the characters within the timeline believe there was always a multiverse, but there was a multiverse before, and I think there were other worlds outside the Sacred Timeline that Kang could've ignored and leftout, because they didn't lead to Kang variants.
I think he bundled all the Kang-producing lines into one world
(which maybe exacerbated the natural splitting that timelines go through and made the TVA necessary)
and after "The Threshold" they spiraled apart from each other into different, but connected, universes.
Thus the other 5 Spiderman films, X-men films, and other Marvel things that weren't made for the MCU were left out of this weirdness, in my mind.
I mean, he definitely combined lines. The Dark Dimension has no Time, so how would it be bundled into the loop?
And the Mirror Dimemsion seems more a reflection (ha) of whatever reality you're in when entering it, so I dont think it is a separate reality, more like another aspect to each world.
The next big war will be to protect this freedom. Coz maybe Kang is planning to become he who remains.
@@Jansenbaker the idea about the Kang-producing lines is a lot like the concept explained in the Rick and Morty Season 5 Finale about the Central Finite Curve and "Rick building a wall around infinity"
I think only **the MCU* know there was ever a pre-multiverse tbh, since they were the original timeline, and now from Endgame (the sacred timeline branch that led to all of Loki) onwards it exists from their POV
I mean ya, I always was under the impression that the events of Loki is what caused What If, No Way Home, and Multiverse of Madness, and whatever is gunna happen in Quantumania
Thought loki made that very clear but idk why everyone was confused about it
@@litfuse_gd7538 exactly!
Same here
@@litfuse_gd7538 because to this day there are people that still cant seem to wrap there head around the fact that branched timelines and universes are the same thing. So they always argue that Loki talks about multiple timelines within 1 universe, so it has nothing to do with the multiverse
Same here
I love that you cite Agatha Christie's Murder on the Orient express to explain that the series of things happened in the multiverse leads one on to another things to happen afterwards
Can't wait to watch this movie in a few more hours
The reference to Loki creating "earthquakes" is interesting, since in the original Norse myths, Loki is the cause of earthquakes as he shivers in pain in captivity for the killing of Baldur.
Technically speaking…Loki didn’t kill Baldr…
@@deadlift0028 I dunno if you swap out a prop knife for a real one and somebody gets stabbed to death you’re getting convicted of murder
Fair point!
any theories/idea how Loki stopped a fallen building for a brief moment ? 🤔
Thought this was what everyone thought ?? Don't understand why everyone was saying loki hasn't affected the mcu when it is the reason the multiverse exists at all in Any way..
I guess usually people think franchise would gloss over dramatic stuffs like this but this is marvel baby they’re known for their continuity
Not everyone watched Loki. ......
The multiverse existed before Loki as shown by the animation of the sacred timeline being a bundle of select multiverses that never crossed each other and never had incursions
The tva just prevented normal events that caused branching to continue and be pruned
Loki didn’t cause the multiverse but it no doubt was the multiverses l pathway that kang allowed to continue to meet sylvi and have the whole plot of the Loki series and manga orcestrated result of his death
Are you kidding? The Multiverse has always existed in the MCU, it just wasn't broken or freed like it was now until Loki, go rewatch the first Doctor Strange when he's tripping out in the astral form, that's where we get our first name drop of the Multiverse existing bruh
yes multiverse always existed outside our sacred timeline. just marvel wanna started to talk about multiverse in phase 4 that’s why it confusing lot of people thinking loki series are the one causing the multiverse to be born… in dr strange 1 the sorcerer supreme did mention to strange there existed different universes and realities.. meaning multiverse is always existed before MCU started. it was just kang locked our sacred timeline to be interfered by other universes… that’s what i have been thinking since endgame.
Actually, what happened in "Loki" was simply freeing the Timeline, allowing the formation of Branches that connect the MCU universe and other Universes in the "Sacred Timeline" to the rest of the Multiverse.
Ye
Yeah that sounds about right. It was great to hear Feige say it, but we all knew that the Loki season finale was absolutely huge in setting up what is happening and going to keep happening in the years to come.
So Hulk taking the stairs is the biggest Nexus point of the MCU 😅😂.
Indeed 😂😂😂
And that was because of Tony Stark....... He told him not to enter the elevator, he didn't learned from his mistake this time 😅
For sure, it was Silvia and Loki. I've always thought that too... I think it's because it was the first 'event' that demonstrated the multiverse... so excited. I'll probably have to wait to watch the movie but i usually watch everything on youtube anyways haha
Just watched the movie, have to disagree lol
I don't agree with the part where doctor strange didn't know that the multiverse is open. Loki and Sylvie did whatever they did at the end of all time, there is no "before" or "after" of breaking open the multiverse, once they did it, it was always that way in the "main" timeline (not the sacred timeline anymore)
Time travels differently tho even though technically it started in 2012 it could have been years later when they broke the timeline
@@the_real_idoit8166 It did mot "start" in 2012, it was always that way. In loki we just see why it was always that way.
I’m afraid that the mcu is not going deeper with this concept…
@@nexnexusnex They kinda did. The existence of Maria as Captain Marvel means that there was a Nexus event long before 2012
@@AllMightGaming-AMG i mean the fact that the multiverse has always and never existed becaus what happens in the citadel of time does not happen in a point of time
The entire point of Loki was that it opened the Multiverse and introduced Kang this isnt news
Just watched the movie today in Morocco and it's absolutely amazing
Yep - I seem to have commented this several times over the past 10 months since Loki finished.
This brought so much clarity 🙏🙏
Amazing! Thanks for video! 😍😄😽
What I always thought:
Each universe has its own timeline and branches. Khang just made sure there were no branches in our universe 616 and also made sure there couldnt be any multiverse disaster happening from inside our universe 616.
Khang doesn't do anything further with the multiverse and other universes. They existed still when Khang ruled ours. Just we were cut off from them.
Now that Khang is gone, branches of our timeline in universe 616 exist.
If someone could tell me otherwise, please do it with good arguments.
No your right
Strange literally says “this shouldn’t have even been possible” in nwh. C’mon voss😂😂
underrated line that literally no one discusses. like what kevin is saying has been obvious and known this whole time 😂😭
This!
@@TheMightyTyrantrum as long as someone else heard it…
Can you help me find that scene?
@@Hex-kt2vr I do believe it’s right after doc ock and Peter get transported to where strange has the lizard, and is explaining what’s happening to Peter.
Just watched it! It was fantastic!!!
You're always at the top guys!!!!
If someone had told me a few years ago that Loki will be responsible for bringing tobey and Andrew to mcu and they will team up with Tom Spiderman I would've called the person crazy 🤣
He who remains made sure he clipped the bushes. Without him the bushes grew into each other and gbam! "Bushes of Madness!"
sounds like a 70's Porno
You’re welcome everyone for getting that scoop for ya! My mind was blown- best moment of my hosting/interviewing career 😉
I wanted to watch MoM yesterday here in the Philippines but had classes and couldn't ditch activities... Gonna watch it this Friday or Saturday
Just watched it! It was mind bending awesome!!
Amazing all my fav CZcamsrs together!!!
"The Universe wants to be free, so it manifests chaos..." - Sylvie.
Wanda is the chaos
This video was the last piece of the puzzle i was piecing together after Loki. Everything in this video is exactly what I needed to hear and it all makes sense now
Keep it up with these videos frl cus you hyping me tf up!!!
Makes sense. When the Timeline was branching there was a lot of red/ scarlet witch action
I can't wait for Friday!!!
Going to see it Saturday and Sunday!! Can not wait!
I think by 'allowed' he meant that if He who remains was still alive/ if the sacred timeline hadn't broken up, this timeline would have been pruned
Poor Loki LOL it’s always his fault LOL Even when he’s trying to be slightly good
It was lokis fault but not our Loki’s fault this time
@@the_real_idoit8166 ya 🙌
To be fair it’s more Slyvie’s fault than Loki’s
lol it was his girlfriend
@@enchantricks lol He didn't find anyone other than Himself to Fall in love, Great 😂
Seeing it tomorrow! So excited!!!
SAME HERE!
Seeing it in couple of hours ;
its amazing
I always appreciate the explanations you present before us in all these videos but so often you speak so fast and excitable that it makes it very hard to comprehend or understand your explanations.
Thanks and safety to ya all as always!!
It was Loki and Sylvie all along
Just watched it, have to disagree lol
I really hope that was an Agatha reference because now I can’t get it out of my head
Is it really what Sylvie and Loki did, or did the Avenger's time travelling and letting Loki escape, allowed Sylvie to get to He Who Remains?... I mean, we could just keep tracing back further and further 😂
But I guess the TVA would've pruned the events of No Way Home.
The thing is its actually he who remains pawing their path to himself
I think variant loki appealed with the same argument to rin slayer or mobius on either episodes 1 or 2 but was told that the avengers' time travel are bound to happen. Loki escaping with the tesseract on the other hand isn't.
It's actually Starlord's fault. Without him punching Thanos they could've won the infinity war. That led to Endgame, the avengers travelled back to time that made another branch timeline because Loki escaped. That led to the Loki series which ended up with Sylvie killing He Who Remains and freeing the timelines.
@@cesarolba7726 Strange knew Starlord would mess things up and let him do that without interfering in any way
@@Cassioqeia yes, exactly
This is awesome!!!!
I always blamed hulks hatred for stairs
💯
Then by that logic, Blame goes to Tony.
He instructed Hulk to take Stairs 😅
@@jaymali9552 exactly
I dodge your channel for a month before any major movie lol watching Dr Strange tonight and haven’t seen any of your videos since the first trailer break down! Lol I’ll binge all the videos tomorrow!
Nope, what Loki and Sylvie did caused the Multiverse to be too out of hand for the TVA, specially since B-15 says they don’t know if Kang wants them to actually stop them. De. Strange did not cause the Multiverse, the TVA was the only thing stopping the Multiverse to breaks but Strange doesn’t know that.
Honestly guys, it’s right there.
I thought Sylvie is the blame.
right, btw i wanna now hypothetically that, if sylvie didnt kill "he who remains" how they gonna stop the multiverse from branching cuz many multiverse timelines crossed their threshold? or like kang has a more powerful reset button that can undo everything and go back to some time back.
Strange also cheated in infinity war. All these things lead to another. Dominoes.
@@exzile4166 Kang did have a powerful reset button, it was the alioth.
@@agentwildfire794 very true
You are the best
Because of you we are able to know more about the latest movie
Am I understanding this correctly? Kang prevented an incursion with another universe by keeping our universe away from other universes. But the other universes have always existed
Yea you could put it like that
Wat
Oh I understand now ok
Many universes were pruned, tho, fed to that big smoke beast thing.
Right, he pruned any alternate timelines that would have branched out too much and been a risk to collide with another. He kept the timelines that were relatively stable and could flow parallel to each other in that one big string.
You're Awesome you Really Break Things Down! To The "T" and you On Point Doctor Strange In The Multivers of Madness...
I knew it! Ahhh! We love this
I can't think of the other guys u were with but I recognized Warren from Cosmic Wonder channel. That's dope ysl got to see it early
Saw Multiverse of Madness last night and had lots of questions. Now I’m going to have to rewatch Loki to make it all make sense
it all coming together
I was just thinking. Each of those lines from the Citadel point of view grows quickly, but if you were in one of them it would seem to take forever.
Maybe there is a variant of Kang that wants to be "Scarlet Centurion"? Maybe they will correlate it to the "Scarlet witch"? Maybe Immortus was manipulating everything from the start? Destiny War, maybe?
The Frames Need Analyze screen STRESSED ME THE EFF OUT.
So would Toby and Andrews movies technically come directly after Loki in the timeline even though they’re in a different universe?
Yeah, they wouldn't exist without Sylvie killing Kang
Maybe idk
No because the Multiverse existed before Loki the MCU just wasnt connected to it
Universes and timelines are the same thing. I think that's what's causing your confusion.
Time is just a concept. You’re limiting your thinking.
We all knew 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly lol.
There was also a Nexus events in NoWay Home.
Aunt May wasn’t supposed to die. Because who killed here wasn’t even from the Universe.
Since the TVA doesn't exist anymore. The nexus event can't be pruned which is scary af. Also it means that a person who wasn't supposed to die can die now haha.
All the villains in NWH are nexus events in and of themselves because they got cured when they were suppose to die in their perspective universes, something that I didn’t even realize until I finished Loki. The multiverse really is on the verge of chaos 💀
i love how theres a after effects pop up at 4:18
Watched this yesterday, FAVORITE movie yet, so beautiful, So horror type, and so so worth the years wait.
Can’t wait for Loki Season 2
I saw the interview and could not belive he said that
Where did you get your t-shirt!!!
I have seen it, If you go in with no expectations you will enjoy it.
Seeing it Sunday 😁😁
Are u gonna cosplay? We have to for this momentous event lol
@Lyla Prescott doing an America Chavez cosplay😏
The number of times Kang getting stabbed by Sylvie in this video is unbelievable
When he says this is a culmination of Infinity War and Endgame, I'm pretty sure he is refering to Wanda's psychological state (and also to Strange's history with Thanos and the blip), not to any kind of multiversal shenanigans per se. Those are a result of Loki and No Way Home -- as you explained very well, btw.
But Loki is a result of Endgame
Can't wait for this movie
Loki #6 has entered my top anything MCU-related lists, because I realized it's implications. Just stunning, both visually & meta-plotlines wise! 🤯😱❤️💯
I'll be seeing the movie tomorrow!!
Excited for the film to come out tomorrow
I just finished watching it was 🔥
I’m so excited for this movie!
Apparently it's a mess
@@harold3165 I think it was meant to be a mess. Intent for ‘madness’
@@harold3165 In a good way or a bad way?
@@MM-su4gu in a "the good parts are VERY good but the bad parts are VERY bad" kind of way from what I have read. Apparently as a whole its a really good movie with some major flaws
ITS SO AMAZING
I LOVE YOUR KHONSU SHIRT!! Link? Where can i buy one too?
I been calling it!
What felgie means is that the tva wasn't their to reset or fix the time line. They weren't their to stop him. After he who remains was removed the tva changed and maybe there purpose is different now
He who remains being alive isn’t what bound the multiverse to being a simple stream of identical timelines. It was the tva that caused that. The fatal blow that caused the multiverse to multiverse properly was the tva collapsing
Also it’s interesting how ultimate ultra wasn’t brought up as what he did to the multiverse seemed to be way worse than what strange did in no way home
That after effects joke got me!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Oh boy!
So the TVA would have showed up in No way home if Kang wasn’t dead
Yes
Just watched it, rly rly good movie! just expected a little more
Now that Big Kev has explicitly put out the framework for this, they need to establish and explain this through the movies and tv shows now so we see it play it out cinematically.
Wow, I got it right! A few videos back I I was saying that maybe there isn't just a singular Big Bad. Cool 😁
4:16 Stabilizer problem... Haha... It's ok though... happens to best if us
You missed a warp stabilizer clip
So excited for what's to come in the next coming projects.... 1 thing I'm concerned is how all of this will tie into each other bc the infinity saga laid the groundwork beautifully for Thanos so what's going to happen with Kang the conqueror
True
Everyone welcome to the MCM. Marvel Cinematic Multiverse
Just saw the movie... all I can say is CRAZY
Guys I just watched it 😂 it was amazing !!
I'm excited for Loki season 2
So sick
Hmmmmmmm very interesting I’m wondering gestation could have happened if He who remains was still alive
hey
Something that both Loki and Sylvie did. The only thing I can think of they did TOGETHER was enchanting the Alioth. Think about all the variants and maybe purged timelines it had consumed. Could what ever they did to Alioth started these chain of events to occur?
Green theme plays🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Just Watched multiverse of madness early and it was fire.
You won't be disappointed.
Though one thing doesn’t make sense is that the other spideyverses are not alternate timelines of the MCU which Loki’s series insinuated is what they dealt with.
Wong be cracking me up bruh 🤣🤣🤣