Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness MISSING VISION Finally Explained!

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    Where were Vision or White Vision during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness? We finally have an explanation for their whereabouts! Erik Voss explains why Vision must exist in Marvel Universe 838, and where White Vision in Universe 616 went after WandaVision!
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  • @NewRockstars
    @NewRockstars  Před 2 lety +140

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    • @captaineri.223
      @captaineri.223 Před 2 lety +2

      Meeting his clone moon knight.

    • @captaineri.223
      @captaineri.223 Před 2 lety

      Scarlet Scarab = witch

    • @avi0895
      @avi0895 Před 2 lety

      What happened to the Earth 🌎 838's infinity Stones 💎🟠❤️💚💜 ??????

    • @bokgaming6645
      @bokgaming6645 Před 2 lety

      Lol! I was just thinking about where Vision was in MoM and then yt recommended me this 😂

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      @@captaineri.223 Just hope Layla doesn't turn evil.

  • @amf0078
    @amf0078 Před 2 lety +2624

    People should remember White Vision is the physical Body of the old Vision with his memories restored by Hex Vision but he did not retain the empathy and morals of the original Vision had. So technically you could say he remembers Wanda and everything but he simply doesn’t care or doesn’t know how to. It’s a good little arc to get him back to how he used to be that I think they are saving for Amour Wars. 👍🏼

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +120

      I think you're right and he doesn't know how to feel.

    • @LOOGamala
      @LOOGamala Před 2 lety +109

      I think visions true power is his ability for self reflection and self awareness, which is actually the root of empathy. So I dont think white vision is an empathy free zone. He had some programming or orders, which he promptly disregarded once he was given all the information, and off he went to do important vision stuff.

    • @amf0078
      @amf0078 Před 2 lety +38

      @@LOOGamala I would say he’s very logical and makes his decisions based on the best logical way. But as he had more experiences and fell in love with Wanda he was becoming more human making mistakes like when he accidentally shot War Machine out the sky. White Vision is like that basically all logic and no emotion as of yet.

    • @drogramadanjohnson1061
      @drogramadanjohnson1061 Před 2 lety +28

      They were intimately connected through the mind stone, so yeah, there's nothing there anymore lol

    • @somethingfunny2199
      @somethingfunny2199 Před 2 lety +18

      Yeah I don’t understand why people thought Vision would want to get involved. He immediately left to go find himself once his memories were returned to him instead returning to help Wanda

  • @Eric-yt7fp
    @Eric-yt7fp Před 2 lety +411

    I don't think Vision existed in 838. The existence of the Ultron sentries implies Ultron worked as intended, never went rogue and never created the Vision body. Instead, Ultron became the 'suit of armor around the world' Tony envisioned.

    • @Levixwelch
      @Levixwelch Před 2 lety +13

      This!

    • @TheBaBaTV
      @TheBaBaTV Před 2 lety +16

      Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

    • @Lisa_Flowers
      @Lisa_Flowers Před 2 lety +16

      Exactly this! The conclusion Erik came to was a bit convoluted imo. It's much easier to assume the Ultron sentries exist because the Ultron programme went well and Tony did what he intended, or even that someone else created them, than it is to believe all the events of Age of Ultron had to have played out exactly for them to exist, even if its an entirely seperate universe.

    • @jamiefrew2586
      @jamiefrew2586 Před rokem +3

      100% agree

    • @Hmmmmmmmmm....
      @Hmmmmmmmmm.... Před rokem +1

      Perhaps not Stark but Richards

  • @KMC706
    @KMC706 Před 2 lety +1010

    We cannot assume the events of Age of Ultron played out the same way in 838 as they did in 616 because we know 838 contains The Avengers, F4, The Inhumans, and The X-Men. Wanda and Vision could have completely different origins and fates in 838.

    • @Xkingluis23
      @Xkingluis23 Před 2 lety +17

      Exactly

    • @cayden.m3720
      @cayden.m3720 Před 2 lety +23

      They have ultron bots so ultron worked

    • @tritonlockjaw284
      @tritonlockjaw284 Před 2 lety +11

      Earth 616 definitely has the Avengers, Inhumans, FF, and X-Men...
      Ohh you meant Earth 199999 aka the MCU?

    • @perspectiveproductions5992
      @perspectiveproductions5992 Před 2 lety +47

      @@tritonlockjaw284 the MCU is the cinematic 616 universe. They're dropping the 1999 designation

    • @willpadilla9601
      @willpadilla9601 Před 2 lety +25

      Came here to say this. I know they need content, but Erik can't say "we know." Literally, anything else could have happened.

  • @bluntbreak
    @bluntbreak Před 2 lety +402

    Alternate take: what if Vision doesn’t exist in 838 bc the Ultron sentry’s were created by either Mr.fantastic/Hank Pym?

    • @kiroto7429
      @kiroto7429 Před 2 lety +24

      That may be true, because Vision was a direct result of Ultron getting out of hand

    • @blakebrown3888
      @blakebrown3888 Před 2 lety +14

      in the comics Hank Pym made ultron, and ultron build Vision as a weapon against the avengers iirc. So i think it's viable. Though it would be cool to see a later mini series about earth 838 where we actually get to see alternate avengers etc

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +4

      Well, they could still have been created by Tony Stark, and just work in the first try. The sentries might just be Tony's design in this universe.

    • @damunaik4
      @damunaik4 Před 2 lety +4

      You're not implying the Twins are pieces of Mephisto's soul...right?

    • @vedantpatel342
      @vedantpatel342 Před 2 lety +2

      Or even if Ultron was created by Tony Stark, maybe he was successful in the first attempt. So no bad Ultron, no Vision. Maybe the Illuminati keep the Mind Stone & rehabilitate Wanda. No problem!

  • @Ricochetx16
    @Ricochetx16 Před 2 lety +435

    the ending to wandavision was still the most heartbreaking

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +8

      And then you have this.

    • @summertyme5748
      @summertyme5748 Před 2 lety +31

      @@ishaanupreti6438 WandaVision was so much better. MoM was really a let own cuz Raimi and Walrdon didn't watch WandaVision.

    • @lessfriendlyJordies
      @lessfriendlyJordies Před 2 lety +25

      @@summertyme5748 which is absolutely insane, like, how can you let them make what is essentially a wandavision sequel as much as it is a dr strange one and not have them watch the material that directly influence it.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +3

      @@JoshMathews17 Interview.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +2

      Basically public confession of sins.

  • @tristangreenlee2535
    @tristangreenlee2535 Před 2 lety +817

    I feel like Vision might not have been created in the 838 universe. What if Tony and Bruce ended up making Ultron and it didn't gain the sentience that it did in 616? What if the mind stone is still in Loki's scepter in 838 and all the Ultron sentries were created as they were intended?

    • @turokandzelda
      @turokandzelda Před 2 lety +67

      That was how i enterpreted it. I assumed reed was able to make the sentries without creating ultron.

    • @Mr713mexican
      @Mr713mexican Před 2 lety +19

      But then since Thanos had the space stone it means he saw loki. Which also means loki had the scepter too.

    • @chillywillie5743
      @chillywillie5743 Před 2 lety +10

      @@Mr713mexican assuming loki had either of those in the 838 universe?

    • @Mr713mexican
      @Mr713mexican Před 2 lety +10

      @@chillywillie5743 loki had to have it as loki is what brought the avengers together. This seems constant since it was brought up in what if as well as implied in 838 since captain carter is called an avenger.

    • @Wolfstalker25
      @Wolfstalker25 Před 2 lety +17

      I was going to comment this exact same thing I'm glad someone else thinks this too. I have a feeling that 838 Ultron was never evil and was always just a peace keeping program as intended. So if Ultron was never evil Vision would have never been made.

  • @Thesleepytimes
    @Thesleepytimes Před 2 lety +69

    I like the idea that Wanda’s husband being a random person who just happens to look like Paul Bettany.

  • @Ghostface1998
    @Ghostface1998 Před 2 lety +355

    Honestly after MoM I’m really curious how Agatha House of Harkness will play out.

  • @pvtparts90
    @pvtparts90 Před 2 lety +74

    Vision is one of the coolest marvel characters of all time he should've had a part in this movie especially since wanda featured so heavily. Imagine him coldly explaining to doctor strange various universes and probabilities etc lol

    • @huynhtrongnhan1999
      @huynhtrongnhan1999 Před 2 lety +6

      Then the audience would whine about the amount of expositions like they did with Eternals.

    • @apple-de8tx
      @apple-de8tx Před 2 lety

      Cooler now that it's confirmed he can change cock size at will! 😃

  • @dellcoc
    @dellcoc Před 2 lety +91

    Vision's memories up until his death were restored, but his feelings might have been tied to the Mind Stone. Vision is out being the protector that he was designed to be.

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +6

      I mean he may feel something for Wanda but even with the memories the feelings wouldn't naturally be all there so I can see him needing to learn more of himself and yeah being a hero while doing it.

    • @Erik_Montesinos
      @Erik_Montesinos Před 2 lety +10

      “You are part of the mindstone that lives in me” Wanda is definitely the final piece of the puzzle vision needs to be whole again

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Erik_Montesinos Just pull a Mind Stone out of another universe and then just plug it in the White Vision.

    • @Erik_Montesinos
      @Erik_Montesinos Před 2 lety +2

      @@ishaanupreti6438 lmao that works too

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      @@Erik_Montesinos Yeah, till i t doesn't decay.

  • @TooNonFiction
    @TooNonFiction Před 2 lety +58

    Can’t wait to see vision and Wanda again. Loved doctor strange MOM it was one of my favorite marvel films

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +3

      How will Wanda be redeemed after such unspeakable evil and brutality ?

    • @knuckles2494
      @knuckles2494 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ishaanupreti6438 I don't know...

    • @TooNonFiction
      @TooNonFiction Před 2 lety

      @@ishaanupreti6438 I don’t know I’ve been thinking about it and I can’t come up with something 😭😭

    • @SteveFromYoutube
      @SteveFromYoutube Před rokem

      Lol doctor stranges mom

  • @damunaik4
    @damunaik4 Před 2 lety +328

    I never knew Paul confirmed that Vision was capable of reproducing 😂 I'm so glad I follow this channel, I would've never found that article myself!
    Also I would've never noticed the missing mind stone in Thanos 838's gauntlet, let alone putting two and two together and thinking Vision is alive and lives a normal life with Wanda and the boys.
    Jeez do I love that character after Wandavision. Perfect husband material.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +21

      I didn't even notice the dead Thanos in the first viewing.

    • @APerson5569.
      @APerson5569. Před 2 lety +3

      @@ishaanupreti6438 I did

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +10

      @@APerson5569. Congratulations, you have a sharper eye than me.

    • @nigelhirth2181
      @nigelhirth2181 Před 2 lety +2

      Much like Tash Yar found out about Data; Fully Functional and Anatomucally Correct.

    • @supreme1572
      @supreme1572 Před 2 lety +10

      Paul only confirmed that Vision can have an erection, not that vision can make viable sperm cells.

  • @kaseyarmstrong6511
    @kaseyarmstrong6511 Před 2 lety +34

    Age of Ultron is the marvel movie that continues to come up and one day, folks will respect it as a top-tier marvel movie.

    • @pronobb8104
      @pronobb8104 Před 2 lety +2

      Continuity has helped it age

    • @Madara8989
      @Madara8989 Před 2 lety +2

      You can't retroactively make a bad movie good by constantly referencing it in newer films; just like a reboot or remake of an iconic franchise can't completely replace the original (because it can't erase the original from existence). If Age of Ultron (or Thor the Dark World) ever get elevated to being respected as "top-tier Marvel" it's because the rest of the franchise went to shit 30-40 movies in and it gets there by default of being better than 90% of what gets released. AoU will always be a mediocre film at best, regardless of how many kids who grew up watching it wax nostalgic about it as adults (like how the Star Wars prequels supposedly aren't crap anymore).

  • @TheBetterGamer
    @TheBetterGamer Před 2 lety +105

    Consider this: at the end of DSMoM, we see Strange writhe in agony as his third eye opens. This implies that NO MATTER what you do, the darkhold will leave a lasting presence on the users. AKA, the darkhold itself isn't what's corrupting people, but rather the darkhold corrupts people with what it brings into them. Like think about how a snake can poison you. Even if you kill the snake and every snake in every universe ever; the poison is still there. That's how I view the darkhold.

    • @shanilo576
      @shanilo576 Před 2 lety +10

      That's a good point

    • @gaze5393
      @gaze5393 Před 2 lety +5

      That third eye is the eye of agamotto in the comics. Not sure if it was confirmed it's caused by the darkhold.

    • @thepubknight6144
      @thepubknight6144 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gaze5393 that's true it's just a bright light that comes from his forehead aka spiritual third eye

    • @jcurls90
      @jcurls90 Před 2 lety +1

      Maybe...just maybe, this hints at the idea of the darkhold grants awareness and capabilities that are inherently dark or forbidden. The user isn't necessarily evil, but the awarenesses makes it challenging for the user to remain virtuous. It's like trying to escape something that has a firm grip on them.

    • @megaavonaco9954
      @megaavonaco9954 Před 2 lety +2

      I took it as maybe the sinister strange that died probably transferred the eye he has to our strange or maybe our strange with his photographic memory has memorized pages of the dark hold, so part of it exists in his mind.

  • @hanmetalworks
    @hanmetalworks Před 2 lety +69

    i think erik's making a lot of assumptions that a lot of the events not shown on screen happened the same way they did in 616. i mean, they go on red ffs

    • @joshuanichols278
      @joshuanichols278 Před 2 lety +14

      I agree. There is no reason to assume an age of Ultron event happened period in 838. It could have been something different entirely.

    • @SPerani
      @SPerani Před 2 lety +12

      Just knowing that in 838 had mutants, it clear enough to know that EVERY thing went different from 616 timeline.
      Ultron, loki, thanos, dark elves, even hydra or bucky as winter soldier.
      Cap and wolverine in ww2, wanda's mutant past, or whatever interaction between avengers and mutants.
      The whole history of 838 is different of 616's, saying "vision is still alive" is just lame assumption

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před 2 lety +2

      @@SPerani we’ll Marvel themselves will never explicitly say exactly how things went down in 838 so everyone is giving their own thoughts on it

    • @Gzilla313
      @Gzilla313 Před 2 lety +1

      @@titaniumcommandrig hopefully we get to revisit 838 in What If season 2!

    • @jayel1471
      @jayel1471 Před 2 lety +1

      Yep, totally agree. I fully believe Vision doesn't exist in 838

  • @50BandG33K
    @50BandG33K Před 2 lety +70

    I am still holding out hope that the all white vision knows who Peter Parker is!!

    • @artist0154
      @artist0154 Před 2 lety +10

      Did Vision knows him in the first place?

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +14

      Who is that anyways ?

    • @50BandG33K
      @50BandG33K Před 2 lety +9

      @@artist0154 I feel as though he did, he as full access to the Stark Industries database

    • @kevthepoet
      @kevthepoet Před 2 lety +4

      @@50BandG33K sounds more like an unlikely reach the more you talk about it lol

    • @crayolamowa
      @crayolamowa Před 2 lety +2

      Peter Parker who? 🤔
      Hehe just kidding 😁

  • @EEGmaghrabi
    @EEGmaghrabi Před 2 lety +7

    Those lines between vision and wanda are so good. I hope they will meet again.

  • @burnout3722
    @burnout3722 Před 2 lety +27

    Marvel Studios needs to give Wanda and Vision a movie!

    • @stuccateur
      @stuccateur Před 2 lety +9

      Or at least a season 2

    • @dellcoc
      @dellcoc Před 2 lety +2

      They just had more than a movie. Time to move on because there are way too many other Marvel folks that haven't had any screen time.

    • @jamangel
      @jamangel Před 2 lety

      Yes

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      I think Vision is done. But Wanda will continue. (Even though Wanda is dead and Vision is still alive.)

    • @brianm3160
      @brianm3160 Před 2 lety +1

      @@dellcoc like who? Who is more interesting than the most powerful being in the MCU?

  • @blacksonshine79
    @blacksonshine79 Před 2 lety +20

    We do not know that Vision existed in 838.
    Nothing in the movie leads us to believe that Ultron went off the rails and created a second body. There is no indication that the mind stone was ever removed from the scepter. In fact, the presence of Ultron sentries would seem to indicate that Vision was never created in 838.

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před rokem +2

      That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

    • @cyphlone3306
      @cyphlone3306 Před rokem +2

      Its a different universe, different story.

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      @@titaniumcommandrig no that is the rule. Ultron’s code was to create sentrys he went rouge and created vision. As seen in 838 ultron didn’t want to evolve

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před rokem

      @@ked49 again, that only applied in the 616. Ultron is not the same in every universe

  • @brendaramirez8283
    @brendaramirez8283 Před 2 lety +126

    I was left wondering if in 838 the kids have powers. They don’t use any in that final scene where they could have. Also their age jumps as in Wandavision. Wouldn’t they be younger if that was the case? So many questions! But I love these movies because of that :)

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +23

      838 is possibly a few years ahead of us in 616. So that could explain the kids age as for their powers, maybe since they are real here the powers never manifested without the hex. That or they just never needed to use them.

    • @kennethpatac341
      @kennethpatac341 Před 2 lety +2

      @@lightdarksoul2097 how come did they became real? does vision had semen?

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +13

      @@kennethpatac341 Hmm he shouldn't if we were going by the idea of Ultron not needing that but Vision can change his body to be what he wants it to be in some ways. The mind stone's power, his cyborg body which can have skin and possible feel like it too, his desire to be with Wanda could give him the want to have those parts. I mean if we look at him in his usual suit, he does have abs and other muscles he doesn't need but could just want to have.

    • @terrencecollins8020
      @terrencecollins8020 Před 2 lety +17

      If there was never a snap, there would be no 5 year gap.

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +2

      @@terrencecollins8020 Good point. The kids may have happened sooner. I still think that universe is a bit more in the future than our earth just because everyone is pretty aged. Like I guarantee when we see Prof X in our earth he won't be that old.

  • @PCG06
    @PCG06 Před 2 lety +56

    He's chilling and preparing his return or just died

  • @jordanottenbreit3892
    @jordanottenbreit3892 Před 2 lety +43

    Couldn't the perfection of the Ultron Sentries mean there was no need for Vision then? That means that realities Loki septor still have the stone in it

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      Or Wanda blew it up.

    • @bmuzza
      @bmuzza Před 2 lety +3

      Infinite possibilities. The mind stone could be up a goats ass on the moon in 838. The sentries, like you say, could have been made by anyone, stark, pym, banner, richards etc.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +2

      @@bmuzza Or they may even have just spontaneously popped into existence.

    • @cyphlone3306
      @cyphlone3306 Před rokem

      @@ishaanupreti6438 different universe, different story

  • @brooksgunn5235
    @brooksgunn5235 Před 2 lety +26

    I wanted Vision to use the Darkhold and tell Wanda to stop.

    • @ohawwgeez3112
      @ohawwgeez3112 Před 2 lety

      Wouldn’t you have to be able to tap into some sort of magic.

    • @brooksgunn5235
      @brooksgunn5235 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ohawwgeez3112 Good question. It looks like an AI named AIDA used it in Agents of Shield to basically create a human body for herself. I guess you don't have to posses magic exactly, but you do probably have to have some higher level of conciousness or something.

  • @Caffeinated_Firefly
    @Caffeinated_Firefly Před 2 lety +12

    What if Ultron never became corrupted and they just mass-produced bots? their intended use was defense/security after all, I don't think they ever intended to have only ONE ultron

  • @Tomfoolery82
    @Tomfoolery82 Před 2 lety +8

    White Vision looks badass. I wish he would've shown up in Dr. Strange 2.

  • @xlander1494
    @xlander1494 Před 2 lety +14

    while rather unlikely, mordo could use the time stone to ressurect the illuminati the way strange did in his original movie, relieving 838 wanda of the blame whilst also setting up secret wars with the illuminati back

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před 2 lety

      Yea definitely there’s a lot of questions this universe left us but unfortunately I don’t think we’re coming back to it

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      Mordu doesn’t have the time stone

  • @JesusEffingChrist602
    @JesusEffingChrist602 Před 2 lety +10

    Well. Ultron created Vision technically, and since 838's Ultron clearly succeeded in becoming the "suit of armor around the world" instead of determining humans as a threat, he would never have created the Vision body with the intent of transferring into it, thus Vision was never born.

  • @thebatman4279
    @thebatman4279 Před 2 lety +58

    Can anyone explain how it took Wanda's kids an obscene amount of time to acknowledge the huge star shaped hole RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM at the end of the film? Made me laugh.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +11

      Maybe they are just used to seeing portals opening up in their advanced universe. Even the main timeline is weird enough that the bartender in Mexico had no surprise when Eddie disappeared. He was just concerned about his bill. What they were terrified of was an evil witch walking through the portal.

    • @MrGenexxx
      @MrGenexxx Před 2 lety +1

      They are very special kids.

    • @vanne-necashionofbread9095
      @vanne-necashionofbread9095 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ishaanupreti6438 these things are kinda dumb tho, even if its common, cool things are still cool and most people will stop by and admire it

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      @@vanne-necashionofbread9095 Maybe that is why they just looked without saying anything for a few seconds.

    • @despicablepenguin
      @despicablepenguin Před rokem

      @@ishaanupreti6438 I mean what happens in the MCU I wouldn't be surprised that no one's surprised by anything anymore

  • @jsmendoz312
    @jsmendoz312 Před 2 lety +41

    One thing I never understood is 1) how did sword get in to Wakanda 2) Why would the avengers let Sword take Vision's body instead of keeping it at the compound

    • @cosmicriptid
      @cosmicriptid Před 2 lety +6

      I have often wondered this as well, but I assume keeping a corpse for five years in your house might seem odd. Maybe they hoped he could be ressurected

    • @arboldesertico5790
      @arboldesertico5790 Před 2 lety +6

      2) sokovia accords .
      1) idk

    • @larrydavis7689
      @larrydavis7689 Před 2 lety +4

      Department of damage control

    • @jsmendoz312
      @jsmendoz312 Před 2 lety +3

      @@larrydavis7689 Damage control helps but still doesn't line up with history of wankanda. Wakanda opened up to help other nations but not to let others come in

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      1 it was bairied out side of wakanda
      2 they are criminals

  • @strigijoe8685
    @strigijoe8685 Před 2 lety +20

    We never see vision in the movie or anything, I’m guessing Ultron never went rogue in 838 so Vision never had to exist, you don’t give any proof that Vision ever existed in 838, and I don’t think he ever did.

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem +1

      I think Wanda hooked up with Ralph

  • @RyanHaney55
    @RyanHaney55 Před 2 lety +10

    I'm not sure Vision ever existed in 838. If Ultron was invented to be a shield around Earth and never rebelled, then Vision wouldn't be created.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +2

      Maybe it did rebel and was later fixed. Or maybe he didn't and was good, but just like the evil Ultron, wanted to become a person, with a living body, more human. So he made the body anyways, and the sentries do the different jobs like protecting the Illuminati headquarters. So maybe, in 838, Ultron is Wanda's husband.

  • @serenity4eva89
    @serenity4eva89 Před 2 lety +21

    Agatha coveting Vision's "Bohner" is quite a twist 😂

  • @Sherlock1373
    @Sherlock1373 Před 2 lety +55

    Well, they didnt had to build Ultron and fight against him to have ultron sentries. Since they are far more advanced, Tony Stark could just built them as a weapons, or they could have just been a part of this defense planet system or sth. We dont know how Tony Stark looks in this universe, maybe his armor looks more like Ultron, so he made more suits looking like this.

    • @ehteshamashraf7627
      @ehteshamashraf7627 Před 2 lety +1

      Why weren't Tony Stark or the other Avengers there with the Illuminati on Titan when they defeated Thanos?

    • @Sherlock1373
      @Sherlock1373 Před 2 lety

      @@ehteshamashraf7627 Well, we first have to assume, that Tony Stark exist in this universe. These ultron sentries could be someone else's idea.

    • @leomoreno7369
      @leomoreno7369 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ehteshamashraf7627 It's likely that the Illuminati caught wind of Thanos somehow and pre-emptively tried to address the problems he was created before they escalated further. Thanos-838 was killed on Titan, which means the snap never occurred because Thanos died two stones short. There wasn't a need to call the Avengers.

    • @deadpooolandwolverinelpg24
      @deadpooolandwolverinelpg24 Před 2 lety

      @@leomoreno7369 a smart move by the Illuminati!

  • @bio2189
    @bio2189 Před 2 lety +5

    Vision has so many great monologues

    • @ihorshyshak2640
      @ihorshyshak2640 Před 2 lety +1

      I miss when this channel has actual fact-based theories instead of just a hodge-podge of wacky ideas with nothing to back it up other than, "This would be cool"

  • @joshuafuller1232
    @joshuafuller1232 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for explaining this, definitely needed an answer.

  • @LikwidEMP3
    @LikwidEMP3 Před 2 lety +6

    nobody has explored the possibility that Vision is just a dead beat dad that left the family in these other universes. probably left after the kids tried that ice cream song on him

    • @TheBaBaTV
      @TheBaBaTV Před 2 lety

      Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

  • @lgchamp1999
    @lgchamp1999 Před 2 lety +7

    Do you think white vision saved scarlet witch from the rockfall at the end of the film?

  • @Shadowluigi-pj9nq
    @Shadowluigi-pj9nq Před 2 lety +7

    Vision was definitely missed in Doctor Strange MOM

  • @usernameunknown69
    @usernameunknown69 Před 2 lety +1

    “Vis had his theories” * LOUD DRAMATIC HORNS * lmfaoooo 😂😂😂

  • @the.scarlet.stitch
    @the.scarlet.stitch Před 2 lety +1

    I’m dying at the visuals of Vision creeping on Wanda and looking at Tawaret

  • @EnZo7992
    @EnZo7992 Před 2 lety +4

    So Vision was in our hearts the whole time, bravo Marvel, bravo 👏

  • @matt15
    @matt15 Před 2 lety +4

    I think they’re saving him for the Young Avengers, he played a huge role in their first run in the comics

  • @matthewtimms1764
    @matthewtimms1764 Před 2 lety +18

    But if they created ultron sentries that served the purpose of a shield around the world without a corrupted ultron etc then they would always be under control and a rogue ultron wouldn’t have tried to make vision. The mind stone will still be in lokis sceptre?

    • @803jamesd
      @803jamesd Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah I think he’s making a lot of assumptions to determine that Vision was even created. I don’t think Ultron would have gone rogue at all in that universe, they just created the sentries, so Ultron wouldn’t have made vision.

  • @MartinBellamyMBDrums
    @MartinBellamyMBDrums Před 2 lety

    4:59 , What a transition LOL Absolutely love it haha

    • @ihorshyshak2640
      @ihorshyshak2640 Před 2 lety +1

      My guess is he was sacrificed to pay for all the cameo appearances. I’m surprised this is the first time I’m hearing about visions 🍆. It’s even purple too.

  • @titaniumcommandrig
    @titaniumcommandrig Před 2 lety +16

    I agree with this. The fact that it’s the exact same house proves it’s vision and not some nameless nobody

  • @hydrierterteev6062
    @hydrierterteev6062 Před 2 lety +3

    3:30 with this ultron tematic, couldnt it also be, that Oltrun worked from the start, but used still these drone designs, because he eventually thought, that this is a good design for machines, and tony agreed to build it this way?

  • @dahliazaylinsage
    @dahliazaylinsage Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks and safety to ya all as always!!

  • @Randisim0
    @Randisim0 Před 2 lety +6

    Vision didn't unlock white visions memories, white Vision never had any memories to begin with if anything the original Vision pretty much copy pasted his own memories and feelings about Wanda and his whole entire life to White vision. (Copy Paste)

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +2

      That's the exact opposite of what happened. He did indeed unlock his memories, and he did not had any of those.

    • @Randisim0
      @Randisim0 Před rokem

      @@ishaanupreti6438 No he did not! White Vision was literally an empty vessel befor OG Vision literally just copy pasted all of his emotions & past memories to White Vision before disappearing from the Hex. How in the world did White Vision "unlocked" previous emotions & memories if he didn't even existed in the past? Makes no sense what your saying.

  • @samurexatlas7373
    @samurexatlas7373 Před 2 lety +4

    With 838, Vision may have never been made.
    Ultron was intended to be a suit of armor around the world, so it stands to reason that 838 Ultron never went rogue, and thus never actually made Vision.

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před rokem +1

      That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

    • @cyphlone3306
      @cyphlone3306 Před rokem +1

      Different universe, different story.

  • @KingOfMadCows
    @KingOfMadCows Před 2 lety +7

    Vision was fully functional. And programmed in multiple techniques.

  • @strykerhellhounds8401
    @strykerhellhounds8401 Před 2 lety +2

    With 838 having the Ultron robots, I feel like Vision was never created since the Ultron program didnt go rogue like in Age Of Ultron, meaning that 838 Wanda never fell in love with Vision, lose Vision and ultimately becoming the Scarlett Witch.

  • @13thGeek
    @13thGeek Před 2 lety +38

    A couple of details to consider about the defeat of Thanos on Titan that has two key affects pertaining to Wanda (and Strange). No Blip means that those characters are 5 years older than the 616 counterparts and that the boys still undergo accelerated growth since they are depicted as 10 yrs old. These could have been factors for 838 Vision’s absence. Motivated by a desire to further improve the world for the sake of his sons’, Vision and Wanda might have ended their relationship for that greater good. To quote Vision from Age of Ultron “Yes… but a thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.”

    • @TheBaBaTV
      @TheBaBaTV Před 2 lety

      Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

    • @13thGeek
      @13thGeek Před 2 lety

      @@TheBaBaTV unless they use the Phineas Horton origin for 838 Vision. Ultimately, we don’t know that the First Ultron attempt was a success or not.

  • @ermacmacro7136
    @ermacmacro7136 Před 2 lety +12

    Maybe there was no Vision in 838.
    Follow me on this, we know that with Ultron and his sentries. The eye color is important (in the MCU, if a sentry's eyes are red that means Ultron's presence is in control. The same follows for Vision, since his powers are from the Mind Stone which controls people to make people's eyes turn blue. And Vision's eyes are also blue because that was Jarvis's color)
    The Ultron sentries we saw had Yellow eyes, an eye color we've never seen for an Ultron anything. So perhaps the reason we don't see Wanda with Vision in 838 is because there was never a vision to begin with in 838. There was only Ultron, who they figured out how to make docile.

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před rokem

      That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

    • @ermacmacro7136
      @ermacmacro7136 Před rokem +1

      @@titaniumcommandrig Yes there is, because if Ultron works and doesn't go rogue then there wouldn't be a need to make Vision to counter Ultron

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před rokem

      @@ermacmacro7136 you don’t know how the ultron program even started in the 838. Vision could’ve been made as the first prototype or something your imagination is the limit. There’s endless ways for Vision to exist believing everything would follow how it did in the 616 is not a good foundation for another universe that has x men and inhumans

    • @ermacmacro7136
      @ermacmacro7136 Před rokem

      @@titaniumcommandrig Considering there are Ultron Sentries as the security system in the Illuminati?

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      @@ermacmacro7136 yellow is Jarvis. Blue is ultron. Red is ultron himself

  • @urmom-gv7zx
    @urmom-gv7zx Před 2 lety +5

    i never understood why wanda doesn’t just buy a house and put a hex over it to keep vision

  • @tschmitty1843
    @tschmitty1843 Před 2 lety

    yo thank you for this video. I don't know why, but i thought i was the only one asking this question

  • @jonahlk6386
    @jonahlk6386 Před 2 lety

    I was trying to remember where I've seen the transparent shots of characters doing different things while an electric guitar plays in the background and then the short clip of Burn Notice at 8:04 reminded me where I used to see it. Burn Notice lol. With Bruce Campbell no less

    • @ihorshyshak2640
      @ihorshyshak2640 Před 2 lety

      Couldn't Thanos not gotten the time stone and therefore couldn't bring vision back to life to get the mind stone. So vision is dead because Wanda killed him.

  • @sheilabodiongan6097
    @sheilabodiongan6097 Před 2 lety +5

    Hi, can someone help me understand. In the wandavision series, was it agatha who made the hex and controlled wanda? How come at the end of the series, agatha claimed to be doing those things to wanda?
    And if wanda was the one who made the hex, how the heck did Agatha managed to be a part of that town in the first place??

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      1 Wanda
      2 vampiric magic

  • @jeremye02
    @jeremye02 Před 2 lety +12

    Vision is so underrated with his intelligence in the MCU right now. Just wait.

  • @dudder86ify
    @dudder86ify Před rokem +1

    Love how wandavision was playing on the TV when professor x got killed

  • @blackzeus8176
    @blackzeus8176 Před 2 lety +2

    Wanada wanted that iron rod

  • @deborahzolot5176
    @deborahzolot5176 Před 2 lety +3

    did you know that in what if e8 at the end when we saw Doctor Strange at his entries he had 3 eyes also in e8 the infinity Ultron and the Watcher went throw other universes like America shaves and Doctor Strange

  • @hellyeahjeremy
    @hellyeahjeremy Před 2 lety +1

    Dang, Vision is PACKING... i need me a vision in my life ngl

  • @ChocoboKid216
    @ChocoboKid216 Před 2 lety +2

    If Vision can create a cape to match Thor. He can create a ... Purple to make the Scarlet happy.

  • @TieZip
    @TieZip Před 2 lety +4

    What if 838 Ultron transferred himself into Visions body but Avengers managed to control it in the end battle and hence Illuminati has Ultron Sentrys

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      So you are saying those might be Wanda and Ultron's kids ?

    • @TieZip
      @TieZip Před 2 lety

      @@ishaanupreti6438 maybe

  • @TroyNaumu808
    @TroyNaumu808 Před 2 lety +3

    I believe White Vision is being saved for the solo Scarlett Witch film.

  • @peterskorec8246
    @peterskorec8246 Před 2 lety +1

    Well vision was listening to Rhodey say “Booooooom looking for this!”. Can’t blame him. I would too

  • @sagarkulkarni5356
    @sagarkulkarni5356 Před 2 lety +1

    Our Vision should have helped building Ultron century, instead he got busy with Wanda 😀

  • @jan3390
    @jan3390 Před 2 lety +14

    When Strange looked into the Future and saw 14 million possibilities, were those not alternate universes?

    • @iTony0225
      @iTony0225 Před 2 lety +9

      No, he seen 14 million possibilities in that universe In That timeline

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +3

      No, they weren't, because they were possibilities that never happened and branch out into other timelines/universes, as only the one path taken by Doctor Strange to win, was the only one allowed by He Who Remains.

    • @randomcharacter6501
      @randomcharacter6501 Před 2 lety

      He wouldn't be able to see the multiverse because it was under control of the TVA.

    • @damunaik4
      @damunaik4 Před 2 lety +1

      Nope. Timelines are different from universes. One universe can have many timelines.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety

      @@damunaik4 Ok, then what is the difference ?

  • @haddonfieldradio666
    @haddonfieldradio666 Před 2 lety +3

    I’m confused as to how Vision or Ultron can occur in multiple multiversal timelines considering neither are naturally occurring birthed people with “souls” tied to a timeline, who naturally exist. They were both created artificially as a synthezoid and an android, not unlike computers or any other inert machines that can approximate life…

    • @lild5470
      @lild5470 Před 2 lety +1

      Technically if the ultron sentries worked there was no need for ultron to go “rogue”. Maybe the prototype worked how it was supposed to and didn’t have a mind of his own. Endless possibilities

  • @VaibhavShewale
    @VaibhavShewale Před 2 lety +1

    the question i was asking in every 20mins while watching the movie in theatre

  • @grenade4500
    @grenade4500 Před 2 lety

    i loved how this video went from talking about what happened to vision to the colour if visions d-

  • @QuaePanemEtCircenses
    @QuaePanemEtCircenses Před 2 lety +29

    How COULD Wanda have had the twins naturally and with Vision as the father? Is that even possible? In some comic universes, Pietro is the father which, gross, but biologically it makes sense. It struck me as odd that they never even touched on where the boys came from, and whether or not they were they were born or created

    • @lightdarksoul2097
      @lightdarksoul2097 Před 2 lety +13

      According to Visions actor, he had a purple... umm donk. So it can be guessed he can produce the stuff needed.

    • @Matongo1
      @Matongo1 Před 2 lety +2

      StepPietro I'm stuck

    • @atulkhare9071
      @atulkhare9071 Před 2 lety +4

      Sweet home westview

    • @damunaik4
      @damunaik4 Před 2 lety +8

      Isn't the most popular storyline the one in which it was confirmed they're pieces of Mephisto's soul?

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +6

      What is so hard to understand, Vision is a biological, living being. He can have children.

  • @justinmccrea1288
    @justinmccrea1288 Před 2 lety +8

    Can't wait to see Vision. Love Paul Bettany to bits

  • @BJBRUNOH2O
    @BJBRUNOH2O Před rokem +1

    Yo that laughing yoooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    6:41

  • @veggiet2009
    @veggiet2009 Před 2 lety +1

    The amount of times that Wanda stares directly at the 4th wall in Multiverse of Madness was unsettling to say the least!

  • @SectionATE617
    @SectionATE617 Před 2 lety +4

    Why didn't hex vision tell Wanda about white vision?

  • @ChrisJackson36
    @ChrisJackson36 Před 2 lety +3

    I disagree about 838 vision. I propose he doesn’t exist at all. Vision only existed in the 616 because ultron turned out corrupted and homicidal. 838 has ultron bots because he worked meaning vision would never have been made at all. Wanda had kids with someone else… wonder who that was.

    • @zarifhossain8796
      @zarifhossain8796 Před 2 lety

      Ralph Bohner..there u go u have the answer

    • @titaniumcommandrig
      @titaniumcommandrig Před 2 lety

      Everyone keeps assuming that just because it happened that way in 616 it not happening equals no vision. It’s the exact same house and this movie ties in heavily to WandaVision why wouldn’t it be him

  • @anthonydisla676
    @anthonydisla676 Před 2 lety +1

    Every night I have the same dream and every morning I have the same nightmare.

  • @RideTheTeacups
    @RideTheTeacups Před rokem

    "The Fantastic... Three" had me rolling! nice.

  • @ericmiller93
    @ericmiller93 Před 2 lety +3

    Something has been bothering me and maybe it’s a stupid question, but shouldn’t the 883 reality outcome with Thanos dead have been one the possible futures Strange saw when he looked at the 14 million outcomes of the conflict on Titan?

    • @newkingscontent8533
      @newkingscontent8533 Před 2 lety

      That's a different timeline. Strange only saw possibilities on Earth 616.

    • @newkingscontent8533
      @newkingscontent8533 Před 2 lety

      The Earth 838 has different realities.

    • @randomcharacter6501
      @randomcharacter6501 Před 2 lety

      Strange wouldn't have been able to see the multiverse at that time because it was still under control of the TVA. He was only searching this timeline, not other universes.

    • @damunaik4
      @damunaik4 Před 2 lety

      What strange saw was different tinelines within the same universe, aka 616 only.
      Universe 838 maybe had more timelines in which Thanos is defeated.

    • @ericmiller93
      @ericmiller93 Před 2 lety

      Ah okay I get it. Thanks guys.

  • @gidpoloni6832
    @gidpoloni6832 Před 2 lety +4

    Wait..So is Wanda in 838 a mutant. I’m literally just thinking about this now

  • @patrickmckibben1932
    @patrickmckibben1932 Před 2 lety +1

    Okay, so in the comics Wanda and Vision split up when he was the White Vision who lacked emotion and did not have the same personality as his former colorful form. What if this is why they are not together in the 838 universe? What if the reason Thanos didn’t get the Mind Stone in that reality is because Shuri was able to successfully remove the Mind Stone from Vision without destroying him thus creating that reality’s version of White Vision? And then of course they are no longer together because Vision doesn’t have the same personality and doesn’t feel like he is the same person (humanoid) anymore.

  • @yintakoda7471
    @yintakoda7471 Před rokem

    The way I took 838 Ultron is that they're being either controlled by vision or vision was the basis for the Ultron program because the Ultron bots have a yellow light, not a blue light

  • @mrcreeper6177
    @mrcreeper6177 Před 2 lety +3

    This does kind of answer a question I asked on different video on how they had kids. Vision was built as a Super powered hyper intelligent Sex Android. The more you know.

  • @mrxexes
    @mrxexes Před rokem +3

    Question: Can white vVson shape shift also, if so what's stopping him from looking like regular Vision?

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Před rokem

      Define shape shift? Normal vision couldn’t do that

  • @fredu3658
    @fredu3658 Před 2 lety

    hey Erik! how is your day going?

  • @dribblez609
    @dribblez609 Před 2 lety +1

    1:14 Hex vision: what a dick... I know he can phase shift, yet he's gotta fly through a perfectly good window

  • @ishaanupreti6438
    @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +4

    Wanda will return in... ?

  • @sovietguardian
    @sovietguardian Před 2 lety +8

    Another thing worth mentioning is that Thanos from the Illuminati universe did not have the Mind Stone, which means that Vision was most likely alive at the time when Thanos was defeated by Supreme Strange.

    • @kingsnackboy
      @kingsnackboy Před 2 lety

      Or there isn't a vision in that universe they kinda brush over that part. We see no tony or banner mention in the illuminati universe so it stands to reason the illuminati universe didn't have the same ultron problem the 616 universe did so that being said vision may or may not have been in that universe at all. Without Tony there wouldn't be a vision. And in the illuminati universe there is no mention of tony at all.

    • @damunaik4
      @damunaik4 Před 2 lety

      Erik mentioned that point in another video as well as this one at 2:51...
      Glad to know I'm not the only one who somehow doesn't catch all the points in the video 😂

    • @sovietguardian
      @sovietguardian Před 2 lety

      @@damunaik4 aah right haha, my mistake

  • @bigshid7097
    @bigshid7097 Před 2 lety

    0:30 “some more recent clarification from the cast and crew, I can now explain to you, the status of Vision in Doctor Strange 2!” would’ve been a great little rhyme there lol

  • @marcholstten
    @marcholstten Před 2 lety

    Around 2:40 something, you think "these" are different westview realities ? Or is it just just 838 ?

  • @batboy9997
    @batboy9997 Před 2 lety +19

    Am I the only one who doesn't think Disney actually has an overarching storyline post Endgame? I actually think they are in see what sticks mode.

    • @ishaanupreti6438
      @ishaanupreti6438 Před 2 lety +2

      No, you aren't.

    • @randomcharacter6501
      @randomcharacter6501 Před 2 lety

      Kinda seems like they are buying time for the launch of FF and X-Men

    • @batboy9997
      @batboy9997 Před 2 lety

      @@randomcharacter6501I am hoping that X-Men follows What If and multiverse of madness and just becomes a live action extension of the animated series, which means it would take place in the 90s, which is the only way to redeem it. Oh, and Henry Cavill as Cyclops. That's right, I said it.

  • @veerchasm1
    @veerchasm1 Před 2 lety +6

    Vision is like “that bitc* is CRAZY, like Amber Heard crazy”

  • @thestarseeker8196
    @thestarseeker8196 Před 2 lety

    You make quite a convincing argument Sir, bravo 🧐

  • @erinmalik.
    @erinmalik. Před 2 lety +4

    these are all just excuses because bettany couldn’t sign on for the film ;-;

    • @Erik_Montesinos
      @Erik_Montesinos Před 2 lety +3

      I’m pretty sure he would’ve hopped on if asked to

  • @brianokon3784
    @brianokon3784 Před 2 lety +6

    We needed an ironman cameo not vision

  • @ravenlord4
    @ravenlord4 Před 2 lety +1

    Maybe the bots were created by 838's Dr. Bolivar Trask, and they have nothing to do with Vision or Stark.

  • @Johnny-yw3sr
    @Johnny-yw3sr Před 2 lety

    everyone: Vision what happened with you and Wanda?
    Vision: Me and Wanda don't talk no more

  • @blind7000
    @blind7000 Před 2 lety +3

    3:30 Or there never was a Vision in 838 because Ultron was never given sentience or it never went mad. Vision was only created by putting Jarvis in the body for Ultron powered by the stone, if Ultron never goes mad or was never given the AI and was only created as drones then no Vision. Also, explains why Wanda has actual kids in this world since androids can't exactly do the deed as being able to manipulate matter to create an appendage doesn't mean you can produce gametes.