$8,000 Land Rover LR3 vs. $80,000 Defender: Which Is the BETTER Off-Roader?

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Komentáře • 252

  • @JeremyHoutgoogleplus
    @JeremyHoutgoogleplus Před 18 dny +124

    The answer is always the 8k off-roaders

    • @MB-jz3uu
      @MB-jz3uu Před 18 dny +5

      Exactly especially if you're buying it for recreation on not a daily driver

    • @elliottpalmer7624
      @elliottpalmer7624 Před 14 dny +1

      This is always the poor persons answer. You can’t buy a new Defender so you would be worried about damaging it.

    • @richfarfugnuven6308
      @richfarfugnuven6308 Před 13 dny +1

      @elliottpalmer7624 we will agree to disagree on that one. I have an '05 Rubicon all built out for offroading. I never take my 3500 AT4 Duramax offroad because it's too big and too expensive. My side by side is new and expensive, but it's indestructible. Also, these new SUV's and trucks are way too wide for CO trails...

    • @elliottpalmer7624
      @elliottpalmer7624 Před 13 dny

      @@richfarfugnuven6308 it’s all relative. I take my 2014 Range Rover off road because I bought it for the value of it bearing great on and off road. Some people say it’s too expensive to break ($35k when I bought it years ago) but for me it’s not too expensive. Everything is relative. I am glad I bought white though for all the pin stripping. 🤣

    • @andrewmccormick1401
      @andrewmccormick1401 Před 12 dny

      When u are talking rovers the older the better p38 range rover and below

  • @willmtaylor
    @willmtaylor Před 18 dny +114

    3:51 - When you scream “For f*cks sake!” but then say “tush.” 😂

  • @MrObvious125
    @MrObvious125 Před 11 dny +6

    Im 4 months into owning my first Land Rover (LR4), i run an x-lifter and 32" muddies and its bloody unstoppable. After 9 Wranglers, im really enjoying the comfort without sacrificing the capabilities.. fantastic vehicle.

  • @nicholascross1961
    @nicholascross1961 Před 18 dny +37

    I have to correct you Tommy... the Defender is NOT "Body on Frame"... it is a UNIBODY design.

    • @donhappel9566
      @donhappel9566 Před 18 dny +10

      Yeah, I think he just mis-spoke there and meant to say unibody.

    • @jdenmark1287
      @jdenmark1287 Před 14 dny +2

      Yep he misspoke, and the new defender is unibody

  • @robervin9107
    @robervin9107 Před 18 dny +31

    3:50 reminds of when tommy got mad in this vehicle when they went off-road. And the tires pop. 😂. Still to this day top five iconic moments from him and now this is on the list Ps. Awesome ring tommy. ❤.

    • @bradythegenius2123
      @bradythegenius2123 Před 18 dny

      Exactly what I thought of at that moment too lol. Same vehicle too

  • @djgraysoundandmusic
    @djgraysoundandmusic Před 18 dny +30

    Never seen Roman snap like that 😂

  • @gersonlara2640
    @gersonlara2640 Před 16 dny +4

    I have an 05 lr3 with 185k and this thing has been bullet proof to me other than regular maintenance it has never left me stranded this is coming from me after owning a 80 series land cruiser and a fj cruiser I don't regret getting this lr3 love it awesome on towing well good job guys on the car reviews..

  • @garyschatz3718
    @garyschatz3718 Před 18 dny +5

    I always enjoy watching this father and son duo while I am taking my lunch break.

  • @dukeyhowzer
    @dukeyhowzer Před 14 dny +2

    I have an 05 with 150,000 miles. No issues, just normal maintenance (new front air shocks and compressor, rear shocks are still going strong). Everything else is still original.

  • @moobaz8675
    @moobaz8675 Před 13 dny +2

    I have a 2008 Discovery 3 TDV6 and Defender D250 110. Love both of them and they are just incredibly capable. The Defender wins for comfort and day to day but the D3 is still the ultimate do it all. I really like the split tailgate and full seven seat configuration.

  • @darrinwagoner3025
    @darrinwagoner3025 Před 18 dny +25

    Thank you for putting out more Land Rover videos. We really don't need more Cybertruck videos, and really wish you would have kept the Ineos.

  • @StevieWonderbread
    @StevieWonderbread Před 18 dny +6

    I would love to see an off-road test of the cheapest new defender you can get with maybe the factory optional recovery points and non-OE off-road tires.

  • @jcollins1305
    @jcollins1305 Před 18 dny +7

    Love seeing these vehicles being purpose used. If I could find a good LR3, I’d grab one myself. They are great looking!

  • @ahuidog3711
    @ahuidog3711 Před 18 dny +12

    Land Rover forever 😉😎😎😎

  • @Venomous-Ranger
    @Venomous-Ranger Před 18 dny +12

    This channel is awesome! Thanks for the content. Please keep it going. It’s educational and I need it in my life.

  • @communitycrossfit6429
    @communitycrossfit6429 Před 5 dny +1

    My 05 LR3 4.4 V8 just hit 275,000 miles. One of the best vehicles I’ve owned. Original engine and Transmission.

  • @whosyourmate8292
    @whosyourmate8292 Před 18 dny +5

    Yes lads, keep the LR content coming 👌👍

  • @GizmoWI
    @GizmoWI Před 18 dny +7

    Loving all the defender content 💙 110 on order.

    • @richfarfugnuven6308
      @richfarfugnuven6308 Před 17 dny +1

      I'm sorry...

    • @NonWokeVeteran
      @NonWokeVeteran Před 14 dny +1

      Don’t listen to wimp above me. Mad haters out there. Just make sure you drop the 1600 on KO2’s and it’ll be dope. I have a 90 and we love it. Hope you got the extended black pack as the grey bumper and skid pan are weak.

  • @ambienteterrazas
    @ambienteterrazas Před 18 dny +9

    Can't wait 18 years until I can buy an 8k Defender!! I used to have an LR3, solid vehicle and very comfortable, those Jaguar V8's are definitely reliable.

  • @utahagentz
    @utahagentz Před 18 dny +19

    Still loving my ‘06 LR3

    • @DavidSmith-dx1bd
      @DavidSmith-dx1bd Před 18 dny +3

      Mine is about to roll over 200k

    • @utahagentz
      @utahagentz Před 18 dny +2

      @@DavidSmith-dx1bd 206k for me. No engine lights, basic maintenance. Best vehicle I have ever owned.

  • @scandinavia6271
    @scandinavia6271 Před 18 dny +7

    Fair and objective review - well done! 😊 I got the new L663 - but every day on my 20 min. walk to the office, I pass by a 15-20 year old Discovery 3 in light green color with a few battle scars. Hate to admit it - but my brand new car is not the better looking of these 2 vehicles. If you take a deep breath when walking by the Discovery 3 - you smell dirt and elephant sh..👍

  • @AllenKrughoff
    @AllenKrughoff Před 16 dny +1

    Here to say the level-up on the production value is appreciated! HLG on the onboard cameras looks amazing.

  • @bk27117
    @bk27117 Před 18 dny +11

    You know what's funny is both of these are more reliable and durable than their brand new tacoma

    • @richfarfugnuven6308
      @richfarfugnuven6308 Před 17 dny +3

      It broke an ADD, settle down...

    • @Ctb1998
      @Ctb1998 Před 13 dny +2

      @@richfarfugnuven6308probably mad he can’t afford a new Tacoma

    • @IncisalArt
      @IncisalArt Před 11 dny

      ⁠​⁠@@richfarfugnuven6308 Yes definitely not a big deal. Be fair. And this is coming from a 2020 P400 owner. They are both great . Different strokes…

  • @CarswithNash
    @CarswithNash Před 14 dny +2

    Good stuff, except I would disagree about the '05 LR3 being unreliable, I own a high mile '05 HSE V8 and it has very few issues and it's very reliable.

  • @lawdog516
    @lawdog516 Před 18 dny +1

    Very nice video, thanks Roman and Tommy

  • @bernardhossmoto
    @bernardhossmoto Před 18 dny +12

    TOW PLEASE license plate 🤣

  • @JustinKingOffroad
    @JustinKingOffroad Před 18 dny +4

    I took my brother up to that exact spot with this defender. it did pretty good! interesting to see the traction control differences between the jeep i used to have and his defender!

  • @tactical_potato81
    @tactical_potato81 Před 18 dny +1

    That's pretty damn cool of you guys to make a video like this. I'm always rooting for the underdog

  • @realguy268
    @realguy268 Před 18 dny +8

    I think it’s funny that the v6 in the lr3 gets pretty much the same fuel mileage as the v8 but with like 100 less hp 😂

    • @richfarfugnuven6308
      @richfarfugnuven6308 Před 17 dny +1

      It's called evolving technology. A modern FI V8 with 500HP gets better MPG than an old carbureted V8 with 160 HP...

    • @jasonandlesleyread7428
      @jasonandlesleyread7428 Před 13 dny

      I have a v6 here in NZ. It goes ok. Much simpler motor than the Jaguar v8. Easier to maintain. But yes fuel consumption appears to be the same.

  • @keithremelts36
    @keithremelts36 Před 4 dny

    I love these comparisons. I have an LR4 and it has been both the worst vehicle I've ever owned but also the best. Had I caught the timing issues before they caused a massive headache I would have certainly saved some cash. But I loved it enough to spend the money. Just drove it from Michigan to Utah and everything you said about the drive and capabilities is 100% true. It's a masterpiece!

  • @panthros7395
    @panthros7395 Před 18 dny

    Great video. I just came back from Land Rover Experience and yes the new Defenders are amazing but I was also able to take my LR4 offroad. I wish I had low range and lockers and I could keep up with the Defender. What I love about the Defender is all of the cameras and it tells you how tilted the vehicle which can be very useful. I noticed a new winch on your LR3. What did you decide on for your discreet winch?

  • @osubeef
    @osubeef Před 2 dny

    Great video!
    I have a few notes:
    Nothing wrong with the ‘05. It had some teething issues, but they all got sorted.
    It would be interesting to see how an LR3 and Defender with the same drivetrain would do 1:1…meaning a Defender with no rear locker vs Tommy…or Roman’s Defender vs my LR3!
    Best setup for that terrain is Mud ‘n Ruts with DSC off (low range of course).
    Everyone hypes HDC for descents…it’s great as a torque-arrester when there are big holes to navigate, but low range is doing all the work!

  • @STOLrover
    @STOLrover Před 15 dny +1

    I’ve owned both vehicles and honestly liked my v8 lr3 better. It had the rear locker and way more cargo space. And it was a smoother ride. Got rid of the 110 for a disco 5 and love it but still miss the lr3

  • @nothingtoseaheardammit
    @nothingtoseaheardammit Před 18 dny +1

    Its amazing that this is basically the same traction control system that's in my H1, (marketed as Traction Torq 4) but its just terrible in my truck. So much so we sometimes pull the fuse to the system before we hit the trail.

    • @donhappel9566
      @donhappel9566 Před 18 dny +1

      Rover really led the way with this stuff and even the early systems like the LR3 (2005) are ahead of most current systems. That said, I'll take simple manually selectable systems every time given the choice but I understand why manufacturers want to dumb everything down and make it "automatic" - no driver skill/knowledge required.

  • @StephenFogarty2023
    @StephenFogarty2023 Před 18 dny

    Great video TFL
    Both of these vehicles have pros and cons…
    For just under $ 10 k, a good LR3, is a great vehicle, with a lot of breadth of capability…
    New Defender is a fantastic vehicle, and as u said, a big choice of body styles, engines, and models etc..
    With regards to Safety.
    New Defender is built with the latest crash safety / occupant protection technology, along with the latest automatic / autonomous safety features etc…

  • @grahammarsden5847
    @grahammarsden5847 Před 13 dny +1

    Only 76k its but a puppy I have a 2013 LR4 with 178k on the clock just done a 1500mile round trip to the Orkney islands' off Scotland and it couldn't have performed any better still on original engine , gearbox and suspension airbags I don`t want to trade up yet its such a great practical car and I reckon I would only get around £3k trade in

  • @dougpendleton1266
    @dougpendleton1266 Před 17 dny

    Good job guys!!

  • @SeanDuPhotographer
    @SeanDuPhotographer Před 18 dny +1

    I love how unique but understated the LR3 is. The size of glass is amazing. Not sure I'd trade my WK w/Hemi though.

    • @selebalotsiu7139
      @selebalotsiu7139 Před 16 dny

      Until someone really drives them and realize no vehicle does anything better offroading than LR3

  • @monzarace
    @monzarace Před 11 dny

    Land Rover simply makes great cars. Simple as that.
    I'm happy for our LR2 i6.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Kind regards.

  • @kingrabbit101
    @kingrabbit101 Před 18 dny +8

    That old school traction management is insanely impressive compared to brand new “offroaders” whose traction management couldn’t get close to doing that without lockers. (Cough cough ineos)

    • @jerrymyahzcat
      @jerrymyahzcat Před 17 dny

      Actually the new traction management is better by far and often lockers aren’t needed at all.
      LR that is. Yes Ineos has rubbish traction management - might as well not have any.

    • @user-vz8qv4tg9q
      @user-vz8qv4tg9q Před 16 dny

      When we get our ineos in July I would happy demonstrate how the defender will not do 10 percent of what the grenadier will do. You pick the trail. Phase 2 we add 35s and take on the Rubicon.

    • @kingrabbit101
      @kingrabbit101 Před 16 dny

      @@user-vz8qv4tg9q did i say it cant do more?

    • @clooperman3745
      @clooperman3745 Před 15 dny

      @@user-vz8qv4tg9q Watch Ronny Dahl with 34" tires on his Grenadier, Looked at 35" tires but with the spare (35") the small rear door wouldn't have opened.

    • @myauctionaddictionestatesa7451
      @myauctionaddictionestatesa7451 Před 15 dny

      @@clooperman3745 Quite a few have 35s on and the spare fits, maybe its the brand. Sort of standard now, add a set of lift springs and go 35s. 37s will take a spare tire spacer, maybe I will grab one for the 35s to to be safe. I am planning 35s for a few years once we get ours. The concept of having 1 ton running gear, and heavy duty everything is so exciting.

  • @hhjones9393
    @hhjones9393 Před 16 dny +1

    The Disco/LR3 is a swiss army knife. All those crazy documentaries and car shows shot on the go? Those camera crews were riding in a Discovery. Despite it's less than stellar repair record I think it is still the best off road wagon ever.

    • @ozman528
      @ozman528 Před 15 dny

      They are absolute crap. Ex owner. Never take one outback. NEVER buy one.

    • @caryknapton7233
      @caryknapton7233 Před 14 dny +2

      ​@ozman528 Well I have owned three, never broken down and left me stranded , been overland through the Kalahari desert though Namibia to the Skeleton Coast on the Atlantic and back. 6,000 miles in a single trip, I think that you can class that as overland.

  • @JackInDaBoxx
    @JackInDaBoxx Před 17 dny

    I just bought a Discovery 3 "LR3" and you cant beat the good old school buttons and off road command centre on centre console compared to the defender.
    Id love to see a more "Aggressive" test / comparison between these vehicles

  • @scotto9712
    @scotto9712 Před 18 dny +7

    Where's the Grenadier? Love that suv

    • @FrankyRedEyes
      @FrankyRedEyes Před 18 dny +1

      They sold it a month ago to pay for the Ranger Raptor.

  • @WW-wf8tu
    @WW-wf8tu Před 18 dny +1

    That's what I wanted to see when you were using it as a chase vehicle from picking up your Tesla yesterday. Thanks.

  • @robbinconner9061
    @robbinconner9061 Před 17 dny

    Really nice video

  • @jstokvis
    @jstokvis Před 18 dny

    Excellent

  • @SteveHeil-tb7wg
    @SteveHeil-tb7wg Před 18 dny

    Should do a video with ceramic pro. Put on the paint protection film.

  • @beyondthegreen6048
    @beyondthegreen6048 Před 11 dny

    Wait, you have the 6cyl defender with steelies?

  • @NonWokeVeteran
    @NonWokeVeteran Před 14 dny

    My defender 90 with KO2’s is a unit

  • @Btn_Path
    @Btn_Path Před 17 dny

    TFL, what radio's do you guys use?

  • @thadmachia9873
    @thadmachia9873 Před 18 dny +1

    Nice video!

  • @terryhayes9362
    @terryhayes9362 Před 11 dny

    Really like your videos on the Rocky Mountain bill climb You know what would fun Find a Series 1 and Series 2a and take them up there to compare to your LR3 and new Defender

  • @harrison7070
    @harrison7070 Před 18 dny

    You guys should compare an old LR2 to a bronco sport be a cool comparison for small off-roaders

  • @rodgood
    @rodgood Před 18 dny

    Time for on 04 Rubicon to 24 comparison . 2 door manual , you can do it .

  • @shakybottoms
    @shakybottoms Před 18 dny +1

    it'd be great to compare the new defender with the new range rover

  • @gamercuhhh2306
    @gamercuhhh2306 Před 15 dny

    More Land Rover content!

  • @MrLordingit
    @MrLordingit Před 15 dny

    Where did you get 19inch bf goodrich tires for the D3? I have BF Goodrich KO2s on my Defender, but I can't find 19 inch bfgrich tires in the UK.

    • @osubeef
      @osubeef Před 2 dny

      The five spoke rims are 18s.

    • @MrLordingit
      @MrLordingit Před 2 dny +1

      @osubeef not all the five spoke rims. The five spoke rims on my Disco look the same, but they are 19inches.

  • @danbear3054
    @danbear3054 Před 17 dny

    Does Tommy still have the jeep 2 door?

  • @PajEvo_Aus
    @PajEvo_Aus Před 18 dny +1

    Bit of a stretch to call the defender the 'best offroader on the market' when you're driving it on tracks you can get a Camry through.

    • @SavoyPrimeable
      @SavoyPrimeable Před 16 dny +3

      A camry? Lmao shows how little you know about off roading.

  • @armymike11_
    @armymike11_ Před 18 dny +1

    Toyotas (MTS) Multi Terrain Select works as good as Land Rovers Terrain Response. Y’all don’t seem to mention it much on Toyotas. Would enjoy a comparison between the two systems.

  • @timoliver8940
    @timoliver8940 Před 17 dny

    I also find the parking sensors a pain Offroad - it cannot be beyond the software engineers who developed TR2 and the other clever electronics to put in either a proper switch to inhibit them or to set them to mute when low range is engaged - just silence them so you can still get the visual warnings when you back up too close to an object Offroad.

  • @TokyoOlympics2020
    @TokyoOlympics2020 Před 18 dny

    What about versus Ineos?

  • @matus201
    @matus201 Před 18 dny +2

    Why doesn't off-road mode turn parking sensors off? Doesn't make any sense.

    • @jeffreyjones3616
      @jeffreyjones3616 Před 18 dny

      Helps you not hit stuff.... but you can tap the screen to turn off the beep

  • @ickna2002
    @ickna2002 Před 18 dny

    I'll take the stock LR3 over a stock solid axel any day. You guys have taken a lifted WJ up this and it struggled way more then the land rover. Because without a locker the solid axles are not as good as the terrain response of the LR. I even have a lifted WJ without a locker and my LR3 will go more places then the WJ because the terrain response just figures it out where the WJ just spins two tires.

  • @krover01
    @krover01 Před 17 dny +1

    My 05 lr3 has 284k on it with original rear air suspension and original drivetrain.. Not sure why you think the 05s are less reliable. Nothing changed between 05 and 09

  • @cunawarit
    @cunawarit Před 18 dny +2

    The Disco (what you guys call the LR3) is probably the most popular off roading vehicles here in the UK (alongside the L318), I don't mean popular off road style vehicles, I mean the commonly seen vehicle green landing and off roading. They are darn good off road! I've never seen a new Defender green landing here in the UK, but I've seen plenty of JL Jeeps! So that tells you something about where Land Rover is going and how people see them.
    I mean who wants to off road with 20 inch wheels? And the Range Rovers are worse, sure the off road driving aids are really second to none, but the wheel choices are terrible for these SUVs now. They are more about the looks than off road performance.

    • @Offensivebeast
      @Offensivebeast Před 18 dny

      Get a good few people shaving down the calipers and putting smaller wheels on the new defenders and a few range rovers, once they depreciate the defenders will be all over the place like the disco 3 is now

    • @donhappel9566
      @donhappel9566 Před 18 dny +1

      To be fair, greenlaning is generally extremely mild off-roading. Spent a week in Wales with a nearly stock D90 (original, not current) and even with open difs and hard-as-a-rock 31" tires I was able to walk through the "hard" trails. Only once did I find a place that turned me back due to lack of a locker. It's fun and scenic; there's even a good chance of damage when you lean over against some ancient rock wall in a big rut, but finding a real challenge is itself a challenge. Sadly I didn't run into any other Rovers on the trails! Plenty of them on the roads and on farms at least. Of course, it was mid-week most of the time I was there so not as many people out playing (intentionally on my part...avoid crowds)

  • @richfarfugnuven6308
    @richfarfugnuven6308 Před 17 dny +3

    The old LR3 is better...

  • @JFord44
    @JFord44 Před 18 dny +1

    I thought the straight 6 Defender couldn’t get the white Steelies because of the required brake size? Don’t you have the Steelies on the Defender?

  • @Master-Blaster-4x4
    @Master-Blaster-4x4 Před 18 dny +3

    3:50 "FOR F**K SAKE"

    • @MB-jz3uu
      @MB-jz3uu Před 18 dny

      I don't care if they bleep it or not, but don't they usually bleep stuff

  • @lincolnmicahfox
    @lincolnmicahfox Před 13 dny

    My LR3 does have automatic headlights, yours doesn't?

  • @andreasgauckler3152
    @andreasgauckler3152 Před 18 dny

    All those off-road tests are with unloaded vehicles. The real challenge is when those vehicles are loaded to the max weight. And by the way, I highly doubt that the new Defender (and most other brands) would be able to survive the Camel Trophy which I consider the ultimate off-road test of all times.

  • @stevenhatchel4042
    @stevenhatchel4042 Před 15 dny

    The Defender with new KO3s on 18s would be a beast.

  • @davidthomas9267
    @davidthomas9267 Před 18 dny

    good luck on flat towing that new Defender if it breaks down!!

  • @michaelhalstead64
    @michaelhalstead64 Před 18 dny

    Anyone know the MSRP on the LR3 when it was new???

    • @osubeef
      @osubeef Před 2 dny

      I paid $61k for my ‘05 HSE, after sales tax.

  • @sammarkie
    @sammarkie Před 18 dny

    Roman dropping bombs! haha

  • @mistert1097
    @mistert1097 Před 18 dny

    Ineos vs defender seems like closest apples to apples you could do

  • @garysarratt1
    @garysarratt1 Před 18 dny

    “Elephant holes” 🤣

  • @dirtsailoroff-road5580

    20:30 the lexus GX460 is.

  • @TheDefenderSisu
    @TheDefenderSisu Před 16 dny

    I wish my 2020 Defender was a Deisel it sucks fuel when towing.

  • @KeithKacanek
    @KeithKacanek Před 15 dny

    1:34 I know you meant to say “gone completely *unibody* “

  • @frankgarceau88
    @frankgarceau88 Před 18 dny +4

    Makes me love my jk with roll up windows even more!

    • @-Jethro-
      @-Jethro- Před 18 dny

      Yes, when Tommy said his was basic, I had a laugh. My JKU has manual everything: Transmission, windows, mirrors, locks, etc.

  • @QUguy
    @QUguy Před 15 dny

    13:39 mark, “Stabilization” working really hard. All my editors will get it. 😊

  • @driftology
    @driftology Před 18 dny +1

    I don't think you need to hold the key in the lr3 to start. Just turn and let go

  • @ccrews0612
    @ccrews0612 Před 18 dny +1

    Would have preferred an apple to apple without the lockers on.

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 Před 18 dny +1

    I'm eager to see if they can get to the end of the video without the defender being a lemon

  • @lastplaceracing6540
    @lastplaceracing6540 Před 14 dny

    Roman dropping an F Bomb again 😅

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E Před 18 dny +1

    80K modern Land Rover with more electronics to fail and steel wheels?! Wow, times have changed, and reliability isn't exactly what older LR's are known for, but I'd Still vote older is easier. Nothing a V8 swap wouldn't solve. 😎

    • @krover01
      @krover01 Před 17 dny +2

      The 4.4 v8 that came in the lr3 is by far the most reliable engine theyve used. Even today. I have 284k miles on mine. All original drivetrain.

  • @raymondallo9947
    @raymondallo9947 Před 17 dny

    Where should I go, Left or Right? Roman: Go right. Tommy: Turns left

  • @jerrymyahzcat
    @jerrymyahzcat Před 17 dny

    The new Defender has NOT gone Full body on frame. It has gone Fully Monocoque! Wow big error there. Yes it’s much stiffer. It has NO Ladder frame at all.
    I’d like to see you test the Discovery 5 up there too.

  • @mccurdyplace4
    @mccurdyplace4 Před 18 dny

    TFL'S LR3 VS Land Cruiser?

  • @fernandomartin624
    @fernandomartin624 Před 18 dny +2

    Unless it's a defender 90/110 from the late 90s v8 or diesel, I'd take a jeep any day of the week for off road. But they are pretty.

  • @gkcamden9050
    @gkcamden9050 Před 18 dny

    With all the computers, complex systems, and various sophisticated engines in the modern Defender, it’ll never age into a good, affordable used vehicle like the LR3 and LR4. When it gets 6+ years old, it’ll steadily become unreasonably expensive and impractical to sustain. The sheer number of systems and ECUs will make maintaining it a nightmare. Yet, I’m sure JLR (Tata) is okay with that. They make excellent, high-performance vehicles. People love them. They’re not in business to sell long-lived vehicles.
    I have a 2013 LR4 with the 375 HP V8. It’s a fantastic value if you’re ok with maintaining a car without a warranty.

    • @krover01
      @krover01 Před 17 dny +1

      The lr3 and 4 also have loads of computers. Especially compared to the D2. I love the look of the LR4, but timing chains are notorious for going bad.

    • @gkcamden9050
      @gkcamden9050 Před 17 dny

      @@krover01 Yep. Like most used cars, LR4s have some issues. But they are well-known and documented. If the few known problems with the LR4 are addressed, they’re good used vehicles that are more comfortable, luxurious, and capable than most. If you (or the prior owner in my case) sort the timing chain issue, the normally aspirated Ford 5-liter V8 in the LR4 is solid, uncomplicated, and powerful. And yes, they have computers too, but my point is that the number of computers in new cars has exploded. The new Defender is a poster child of that complexity. Yet, if you’re going to try to eliminate all computers (not a bad idea but not easy either), you’re planning to drive something at least two decades old.
       If you have the money, buy a new car and an extended warranty. If you’ve got a little less money and can afford one of the highly sought-after, reliable old cars, that’s awesome, but you’ll _still_ be sorting out general old car issues . . . or maybe you spend a lot on a vehicle with an LS swap. If you’ve got even less money, you _will_ be dealing with used car troubles of one kind or another. My biggest problem so far with my 11-year-old LR4 is that the AC isn’t cooling as well anymore, so I need to troubleshoot that.

  • @dcmtrader
    @dcmtrader Před 18 dny

    What happened to Tumbleweed. These are not challenging trails.

  • @fahdabdulaziz5067
    @fahdabdulaziz5067 Před 13 dny

    The Lexus gx550 can't defeat the defender off road without modifications. The defender has better off road angles and ground clearance.

  • @landy4x4ee
    @landy4x4ee Před 17 dny

    In Europe the things between Discovery 2 ja 3 are oppsoite. Discovery 2 is mostly valued as a good and trusty offroader due its good Td5 engine and in opposite the Discovery 3 with its faulty TDv6 is unreliabel as it can be.

    • @SavoyPrimeable
      @SavoyPrimeable Před 16 dny

      D2 diesel in EU was more reliable than gasoline / petrol engine here. Head gasket issues are the biggest problems in the D2 petrol engine.

  • @seanwatson3790
    @seanwatson3790 Před 18 dny +1

    Ya the new car warranty is fantastic until land rovef hears you drove it across 1 blade of grass and then they deny all warranty claims like they all seem to now. It's almost entirely false advertising. A wading setting that if you have a claim because you were wading water, they'll say it's not designed for that and deny you .. 😒

  • @valz2167
    @valz2167 Před 18 dny

    7:53 - NOPE.

  • @zachlafond2652
    @zachlafond2652 Před 18 dny +1

    I'll just walk the trail and save all the money.

  • @clooperman3745
    @clooperman3745 Před 15 dny

    It definitely is not " for fudge sake " !!!

  • @theglitch99
    @theglitch99 Před 18 dny +2

    Will the new 80k unit be around in 15 yrs? Time will tell....

    • @shauns06rubi
      @shauns06rubi Před 18 dny +4

      Its made out of aluminum, so it can sit in a junk yard a long time lol. In all seriousness I hope they drop 70% in price in 10 years so I can get one.

    • @Offensivebeast
      @Offensivebeast Před 18 dny +1

      The new defenders are proving pretty solid in comparison to the rest of the LR lineup, so maybe and people do seem to really like them so they definitely will stay around.