An In Depth Comparison of Airsoft M4 MidCap Magazines
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2017
- Full Results Spreadsheet:
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Full Testing Footage:
• M4 MidCap Magazine Tes...
Important Time Stamps:
Testing Procedure Discussion: 1:50
Special Thanks: 4:48
Loser’s corner: 6:13
Top 5 Winners: 20:12
Runners Up: 25:42
Outro: 37:27
LIMITATIONS OF TESTING:
I forgot to put this in at first, but I want to take a second to discuss the limitations of this testing. I think it's important in any endeavor that seeks to be objective that the person carrying out testing can demonstrate an understanding of the limitations of their testing, and can discuss how that may impact the interpretation of the results.
To start, I was not able to test the HPA high ROF or .4g high ROF feeding of a few of the magazines, as seen on the spreadsheet, because those magazines were not able to fit in the 416 body of the HPA setup I had access to. I also was not able to test fitment and feeding of the magazines in several prominent airsoft receiver brands such as G&P, JG, Valken, Classic Army, and many others.
My counting method was also not the most precise method possible, just in the interest of time and convenience. As a result, I allowed each magazine a margin of error of 3 or 4 BBs over or under capacity, and only took points off for major deviations from stated capacity.
I did not lubricate, clean, or modify any of these magazines, with one exception that I forgot to mention. The Modify XTC midcap comes with a nub on the rear for snugly fitting magwells. I sanded that entirely off, because it was stupid and worthless and just made the magazine not fit well at all in my VFC and Krytac receivers. Other than that though, none of these magazines were modified in any way, and some people seem to think that a magazine requiring fitting is normal. I disagree, but I'm putting it under these limitations so people can decide for themselves.
All of these magazines were purchased brand new, with the exception of the PTS EMAG which I had laying around and threw into the test because people wanted to know how the old Magpul PTS mags would do. Obviously it did quite well, but it is arguable that it may have done even better had the magazine been brand new. Who knows?
So there's my test, look at all the data and the procedure and feel free to come to your own conclusions! - Hry
LIMITATIONS OF TESTING:
I forgot to put this in at first, but I want to take a second to discuss the limitations of this testing. I think it's important in any endeavor that seeks to be objective that the person carrying out testing can demonstrate an understanding of the limitations of their testing, and can discuss how that may impact the interpretation of the results.
To start, I was not able to test the HPA high ROF or .4g high ROF feeding of a few of the magazines, as seen on the spreadsheet, because those magazines were not able to fit in the 416 body of the HPA setup I had access to. I also was not able to test fitment and feeding of the magazines in several prominent airsoft receiver brands such as G&P, JG, Valken, Classic Army, and many others.
My counting method was also not the most precise method possible, just in the interest of time and convenience. As a result, I allowed each magazine a margin of error of 3 or 4 BBs over or under capacity, and only took points off for major deviations from stated capacity.
I did not lubricate, clean, or modify any of these magazines, with one exception that I forgot to mention. The Modify XTC midcap comes with a nub on the rear for snugly fitting magwells. I sanded that entirely off, because it was stupid and worthless and just made the magazine not fit well at all in my VFC and Krytac receivers. Other than that though, none of these magazines were modified in any way, and some people seem to think that a magazine requiring fitting is normal. I disagree, but I'm putting it under these limitations so people can decide for themselves.
All of these magazines were purchased brand new, with the exception of the PTS EMAG which I had laying around and threw into the test because people wanted to know how the old Magpul PTS mags would do. Obviously it did quite well, but it is arguable that it may have done even better had the magazine been brand new. Who knows?
So there's my test, look at all the data and the procedure and feel free to come to your own conclusions!
Hope your having a good day
Gun Gamers What does "within moe" mean?
Thanks for the effort man!
Gun Gamers I
This is the best mid cap comparison video on CZcams. Thank you and keep up the good work!
You have just saved people a lot of money! I will just say thank you from everyone that watches this :) Love your channel!
Till this day he is still saving our money
My god, you're dong the lord's work here. Thank you SO MUCH for this, you've not only helped me come to a conclusion on using PTS EPM's, but have undoubtedly saved a lot of people a lot of money and trouble.
If anyone ever asks me about midcaps, this video is without a second thought my go-to recommendation.
Watching this almost 3 years after you made the video I realize how much time and effort you spent on this. And yes I watched the whole video Hey it's covid19 quarantine what else can I do.
I lost myself so mutch deeper this video awesome do you know marblelynpics? Thanks me later
I wish he would have also done BAMF Mags but still an amazing video
Shared to the 25,350 Airsoft Tech members on Facebook. Absolutely liked and subscribed.
Got your back bb bro!
This is amazing and helps out sooooo much! I have been looking for a video like this for so long and am so glad someone was willing to put the time, money, and effort into making a free guide. Thank you again so much!
Couldn't thank you enough for this video and all that went into it! I came across this while searching for my first airsoft mag purchases. I will do my best to share this video with as many people as I can.
this video couldn't be more perfectly timed! I few of my buddies just decided to purchase their first airsoft rifles, some went with CYMA AK's but the rest got Krytac MK2 rifles. this video was extremely helpful to me and my friends thank you for putting in the time, money and effort to help people find a good midcap.
This is absolutely stellar work. I truly appreciate anytime there is consistent testing applied to different options.
The majority of data and verdicts are simply based on “this one time” and it doesn’t allow us to make informed purchase decisions.
Years ago my elite force mags weren’t good, now I know what to purchase in the future!
Thanks for all the hard work, I look for multiple reviews before I buy stuff and was happy to see something like this from what has become one of my favorite airsoft channels. Keep up the good work!
Dude I can't appreciate this kind of video enough. Very informative and it'll save people, myself included, a lot of time and money. I remember all the experiences I've encountered with buying the wrong mag. I had some of those G&P poly midcaps, and they wouldn't go in my KWA magwell. I have K120 midcaps for now, but I'm definitely gonna be checking out those EPMs once the gen 2 hits
Hey thanks for the video, info in it and most of all the work put into this effort. This was extremely timely for me. I was just about to buy some more mags for an upcoming milsim event. This info will be used to decide what to buy. Keep up the good work.
My friend, you are awesome, thank you so much for the very extensive review!
As a airsoft beginner its good to know that my cheapo plastic mags that looked so ... cheap are actually really good!
I wish my pistol mag as as good as good. My CZ P-09 mag, that I only have 1 off and that every store has no stock off has dropped once at the store and again at the field. The bottom plastic cover just exploded and it seems I cant buy a replacement cover. The mag is super heavy and very hard to hold with gloves, so its super easy to drop. I actually wish there was a cheapo plastic version of it.
Thank you so much for this testing! I was looking into the Elite Force 140 and this just solidified my purchase of 10 of them. But you probably saved me cause a couple other mags I was looking at were on your not recommended list. Truly a savior. Thanks again.
Geoffrey Moehlman how they held up
Bro, Ive been working on my hpa and aegs for a year. I now have no issues after watching this. And had brand new mags laying around that were on your best performer list. Flawless. Thanks for your actual tests you do and not just shooting opinion and hype. Gun Gamers are the truth!!!
one of your best videos yet :) thank you for all your hard work!
Hey there Gun Gamers, thank you for the wonderful video, information, and fantastic spreadsheet! I am using this as my magazine selection guide. This video earned my subscription and like as well as my interest in future content. As a fellow content creator I can appreciate all of the background hours it takes to make these videos and so kudos to you and your drive! Have a wonderful rest of your evening!
Thank you so much for making this video. Saved me ALOT of time digging and doing the research on my own! Much appreciated!
Great test and like you said, a epic ammount of work!
Thank you very much for putting so much of your time and money in to bringing this to us!
Great video which will be relevant for a long dam time.
Mike.
Nothing is relevant forever but I do think it will be relevant for a good few years.
I would say your tests went beyond normal use parameters which is a good thing as it stress tests the mags which does show up issues the mags may have over time as well as any build quality issues.
Over my limited time in airsoft and over the many many channels i subscribe to, you have earned a lot of respect from myself for your level headed intellegence and willingness of this channel to open a discussion unfettered by fear of reaction or sponsered agenda.
Keep it up mate, it is greatly appreciated.
Mike.
Awesome. Just got into the sport and was looking for a spare mag and this just sold me. Many thanks matey!
This is awesome information! Have to agree on hexmag issue. I was excited to get mine then I had to disassemble it the very first time I loaded it to clear a jam
For how critical I am in your other vids about hijacking conversations.....I want to acknowledge just how big a contribution this is to future airsofters. The sheer amount of work involved and then compiling that mountain of info into a video that wasn't an hour long should be commended. This is of such a great help as magazine recommendations are so subjective as who out there has really taken the time and resources to troubleshoot them all. Thanks E!!!! Someone had to fall on the grenade and you sir did took it for the community. I never support channels thru patreon or whatever funding means they use but things like this need to and have to be supported.
Thanks for the video. Extremely informative. I've noticed with my KWA magazines that they fit incredibly loosely in my Krytac Trident SPR; so much so that I've had them drop out on the field.
Thank you so much for all your time and effort!!! Keep up the good work!!
Dude thank you so much for this and imma show all my friends this Bc I own a m16 and I’m looking for a mid cap and I don’t trust where I’m going to buy but thank you so much you have saved me hours on hours of research 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤟🏽🤟🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you for the epic review of all of those mags. It's going to help a lot of people out there either new or old to the airsoft community. Thanks! =D
The 2 mags I was looking at was the Evike 190rd BAMF and the 140rd 6mmProShop and after watching this I am grateful to say that I will be buying the BAMF! Thank you for the help even though this is 2 years after the date this vid was posted!
Appreciate the time and effort that you put into this bud. Liked, shared and subscribed
Thank you for going through this effort or us to enjoy and learn from! :)
I love the fact that you made a spread Sheet, thank you so much. I would appreciate if you continued adding newer magazines to it. Like mil-slim magazines that only hold 30 rounds. To see if all feed. Please do a video on evike bamf magazine.
You, sir, are a saint! Been looking for a mag that will fit my Lonex OEMed LT MMC and thanks to you I have a very good idea of what will work.
Appreciate this a lot. Probably going to purchase the MAG Metal mid caps now after seeing this. Although, disappointed to see no testing on a G&P due to it being very picky with mags, at least mine. My original plastic MAG mid caps work flawlessly, so here's hoping the metal ones do as well.
Thank you E house for this incredibly comprehensive test. You freaken rock.
A true labor of love. I wouldn't have expected the two week torture test, nice addition. It would have been nice to see the old school PTS 120 round PMAG but not mad with how the EMAG did. All in all great job and thanks for making the video.
Finally someone has made a vid like this, wish someone took the time to make this 1-2 years ago wen I had a HELL of a time finding mags that fit n feed my 416, finally I went with are amoeba mags n I have no complaints, all my buddies who run g&g and vfc guns share my mags n it feeds no problem
Your findings narrowed down my search for a better magazine. I was wondering why so many magazines I tried could not keep up with .4g bbs. Thanks so much.
on that note, why aren't there more of these kinds of rigorous testing vids. would save us all from SO much guesswork
thank u for all your time invested here , very well done
wow thanks guys for going through all this, great info!
Congrats on a great & useful review. So much work but the result is worth it. Thank you.
I love my pts epms, I’ve got 14 😅 but I like the look of the classic gi mag in some of my rifles so I was looking for the best one out there. So thank you very much for this video
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HELLA Lot of work put into this and it looked rigorous, it covered a lot of bases most people never would including generational concerns which is absolutely critical to assessing airsoft as it is, bizarrely, a mass cottage industry where quality control is not identical from batch to batch because its just not feasible.
I am a huge fan of this video and after seeing the data, etc. I'm going to go with this information as I am now starting to own and get into AR-compatible platforms specifically the Magpul PDR-C by PTS which means that the winners themselves should fit in and work well.
Thank you very much for the work and if I can dare say sacrifice that went into this.
I'm going to save and download this video for future reference and add its data record to any future tests I might find.
Exactly the video I was looking for ! GOOD JOB !!
Excellent work,Ehouse....Thank You for this tremendous effort..Appeciated
Great review man, nice, and i see some of you say in practice, congrats
Honestly it would have been neat to throw in a generic high cap in these tests, a lot of people underestimate the feeding of high caps, especially for heavy BBs and High RPS.
Awesome video. I will Always will support u guys. Keep up the good videos.
Great work on this!! Awesome!! Appreciate your effort! :)
This man needs an award for spending all this time testing
Thanks for this review, really helpful for myself and others that need to buy some more mags and are newer to actually playing airsoft. I personally got about 6-7 different midcaps when I bought my gun and have had some hits/misses.
I want to take a minute to note that for me the HEXMAG didn't fit properly in my gun, a JG M4A1 S-System. It required a fair amount of effort to both lock in and remove, but once it was in, the performance was absolutely great with 0.25g BBs. So word of warning, the Hex will likely not fit in guns with a smaller clearance.
I am sure people would love to see an AK Mag version of this, but damn.....
Make it a Combo Ak and MP5 Mag Comparison! : )
I suspect it'd come down to real sword, g&p and pts.
as for AK mags:
1. MAG
2. CYMA
3. King Arms
rest is garbage. E&L, Guarder and SRC are TOTAL garbage
F**kin hell, that was an epic amount of data condensed down. Thank you guys so much for doing this and that drink is well deserved.
thanks for this I've always worried about which mid caps to buy for my krytac because its picky with mags this is an amazing amount of data
hey man thanks for making this video. i only just got into airsoft and this video helped me a lot.
Awesome video , awesome test and very cool and good results ....thank you for doing such a long and huge test!
I use mostly Ares Amoeba Mags because they feed good and they are cheap as fck (around 8€ to 6€) and i also are in the process of stocking up on a few Evike Bamf Mags :)
Greetings from Good Old Germany and keep up the awesome work u do :)
Thank you for the video I was bouta spend $65 on a 10 pack of 6mm pro shop 140rd!! You’re a savior!
Great video and thank you for in depth study!!!!
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Hello guys. I know this feed is a but old but tour video really helped me find good mags.
Ive spread the word and printed up your list and have it up for all to see. So a big thanks from 5 airsofters that no longer have mag issues!!!
Outstanding work dude. You earned that drink!
I've been using MAG brand mid caps for years now and they've worked flawlessly. I haven't had a problem with them since; they feed well, fit into most M4 AEGs, tough and durable, and have used them in CQB and Milsim Airsoft games. Would recommend them.
I had the amoba mags and after about a year of use every single one of them started to split on the seam. While they worked wonderfully and that built in mag pull worked amazingly. After a year they all split to a mag. Something to consider.
Really Appreciate your time and effort on this thanks
True the older PTS emag 30s and pmag 30s are hella reliable. When I started playing airsoft in 2012, I bought a whole bunch of both kinds, and still use them today. I hope to upgrade to EPMs when I have some extra coin.
Great work! I picked up some elite force 140 polymer mags and they fed flawlessly. Best budget mags since they are very cheap to begin with. Before looking up this test I purchased Firepower Metal 190 from Evike and they did not feed well in the beginning 20 rounds or so and did not hold anywhere near the advertised 190 rounds. The first 20 rounds will always have double feed issues in both my stock Krytac SPR and stock classic army ASR4 in both semi and full auto. I estimated these can hold 140 rounds but only feed when there are less than 120 rounds......
This is awesome man thanks for doing this you saved me some money👍
Excellent work my good man!
Thanks man, incredible effort.
I like the honesty on the loser mags. But I have two Hex Mags and I love them. Mind you I haven't tested them like you did but I just love how these mags feel and look. Mine feed amazingly btw.
Great work! I was hoping to see the Lonex would have been in your line up.
Own the PTS EPM, QMAG, and Elite Force mid cap. The elite force was the first mid-cap mag I bought, usually only one bb is left in the mag and about 3-5 fall out of my gun (not bad for $10). The QMAG was the second mid-cap I bought, no bb's left in the mag and about 2-3 bb's fall out, however, they are picky with guns, they fit any VFC gun nicely, but anything else, you have to slam the bottom of the mag to fit it in (G&G CM16 Raider-L and Valken Alloy MK. II were the guns I tried it on), however, if you shave the back of the top plate and the sides a bit, they'll fit. And finally, the PTS EPM, no bb's left in the mag, and only 1 bb falling out.
Great work! Thank you for your effort!
I use evolution M4 P-Style Mags and I’m very happy with them. They fit perfectly into my Tippmann Commando and feed perfectly
man I feel the hexmags I have a bunch. they're off and on but such a good mag when it works and looks cool.
About the Hexmag magazines; for me, they’re great mags. Not only they look awesome, they feed flawlessly after I clean them. The only problem I have is I have a Hexmag in Multicam, it jammed twice in the same spot. After I cleaned it, the magazine fed every round. The rifle I use is a G&G M16A4 with a 9.6v NiMH battery, and with a full charge, my Hexmags just fed every round, sometimes every single round where no rounds fall out of the magwell.
This is a great video, I bought the G&P STANAGs and I found out the hard way
What a video. Love objective studies like this. Real airsoft science. Well done. Only thing I gotta mention is that only having one of each mag is pretty limiting. Could have had a bad one. Kind of an unfortunate criticism as this video is awesome, but it's something to note.
Dude. Thanks, that really helped. You’re the best. We want more AMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great video! Thank you for sharing
E House, would you recommend the Cyma metal or the MAG metal 190rd magazines? Great video thanks!
Man the original Magpul P Mags and E Mags were so damn good. One of my good friends still has 4 original P Mags and I'm so jealous. I was gutted when they announced they were stopping production of airsoft items. Best mags ever made, hands down.
This is amazing. I hate binning crap that doesn't work, or just doesn't work for me (don't ask me about my real steel pistol holster collection). Being new in the game, this video is a great resource for how not to waste time and money on things we can all use a few more of. Thank you.
I appreciate this test and video. Thank you
Yo dude really good video thanks for the effort you've clearly put in. Quick question do you know which of these fit the aps uar??
So I tried the 2 krytac midcaps I bought from evike. I have had problems with midcaps fitment and feeding in my krytac lvoa-c since I've owned it. What I want from a midcap is that it fits and feeds higher weight bbs, .36's and '40's to be specific.
I have totally scrapped using Valken bbs first off as no matter what mag I use, my AEG hates Valken bbs. I used .36 and .40 bbs from Matrix and Elite Sports. I ran 1K of each bb through each mag.
The results are:
The newish Krytac 150rd midcap magazine fits with a little play and wobble. These mags also feed flawlessly using those bbs and at both higher weights. I have now placed another order at evike and am switching to all krytac mags in my lvoa-c from this point on. They work as well if not better than the 2 PTS EPM mags I use and they are 5.00 cheaper each.
great test man...totally agree about G&G I was disappointed as soon as I tried to fit it
what a hero... you did all this work for me to sit back, have a dales pale and go hmmm... oh. and other old man sounds.
I like my G&G mag. I use it in my krytac. I agree some times it is tight but right after the first few games. It worked just fine.
Great vid this helped me a lot
thanks! helped me choose my first midcaps!°
PTS EPM it is!
That was a lot of work! Thanks. 👍
This is 100% gold. I'm fairly confident that G&P made changes to the newest batch of high rps mags. My old 3 were solid but my new 5 required lubrication to feed anything heavier than .25 without jams. I'm not sure if it was a spring change or a follower change. I also installed the restricted magazine follower by Clandestine which helped a lot.
Seth Hinshaw that's weird. I got a new one a month or two ago from RWA which didn't have these issues, feeds all but the last .3g bb flawlessly out of the box. Perhaps the change was instituted since then? That said they are still fairly expensive and I've moved from high ROF to trigger response so i don't need a mid cap that can feed so quickly, so I'll probably grab a box of E&Cs.
Expensive? I buy the 5 for $55 on Evike which h is a crazy good deal for quality midcaps.
Seth Hinshaw I mean, $11 per midcap is a great deal, but when a box of E&Cs come to $5 per midcap (I haven't experienced the issues ehouse had except for lower than advertised capacity) I'd rather take that $30 and spend it on a gearset or a motor or a nice piston and piston head or something. And I already have a few of them, so the E&Cs are my cheap backup and loaner mags for the most part, I just need some more.
this video is awsome, liked and subbed.
Great job putting the time and expense into doing this review. While this video is five years old at this point, the Elite Force MidCap, for the money, is still an excellent magazine if you are looking to play in the 140-round range. I run with the HEX and PTS EPM1 magazines for higher round count, but I always carry a few of the EF mids onto the field just in case.
I like how hexmag actually updated its follower
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Suggestion: for the sake of convenience, do you think you can color code the chart? (red = fail, green = winner, yellow = mid-pack)
Also of note: the K120s are compatible with Magpul Ranger floorplates so if you do crack the stock one, you can replace it with something a bit better.
The issue I have with the hex mags is the hole on the side of the magazine that catches the mag catch release, it's too large for my ICS rifle. If I put any forward pressure on the magazine, either it will immediately fall out, or the EBB will drop it out. This doesn't happen with my Krytec LVOA. I tried switching mag release assemblies, but it didn't work.
I would like you to do a follow-up focusing on budget/beginner M4's with Mid-caps
I have a massive respect for you man💪💪
If you had to pick one of these magazine that could reliably feed the .40g BBs in semi auto through a Krytac, which one would you recommend? I have a Krytac DMR set up and trying to find non high cap mags to feed heavy BBs has been tough