How Record Labels Are Trying To Stop AI Destroying The Music Industry.
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- Is this good news? Google and Universal Music are now trying to take back some control over the rapid rise in use of AI music. Singers voices are being replicated and effectively "stolen" in some people's eyes without the artist's consent or without any compensation. Are they doing this to help artists? Or have they just seen a new way to monetise something that has been free up to now? What do you think?
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I agree with you that AI never is going to be able to replace the magic of real live music.
It's a pitty that you can't come to Spain with PTL tour and i wish i could go to some other place, but i can't by the moment.
But finally is into the live music where artists have the power and the final own control, in a little part...the one to be front to front with your audience.
I never understand the titles of these videos, forcing a swearword and then censoring it.
Why not just "is this finally some good news"
@@DanFedMusic The title is only to catch our interest! To make us reflect on the subject...it is something typical on tv or press.
Can I be your all human photographer on the American east coast of the tour?
20 yrs! were does time go? 🤯
Nothing will ever sound better than listening to an authentic song, written from the heart from experience and on instruments that have taken years to master.
If AI can ever replicate that then we really need to worry and call Sarah Connor 😂
A chicken composed all of Mozart's piano concertos. He would scatter grain on the keys blah blah blah.
At the moment, but we are in its infancy, and who's to say how generations forward will view it. It's really sticky.
Im really amazed the record labels would be all in for this. They could have all the money themselves.
Due to The X Factor, and its ilk, along with Instagram and CZcams, Artists have little need for a Label that is only interested in them because they have hit big online.
I mean most current AI songs are being written by people but the singing is done by an ai replica of a singer
If you actually value the humanity of a song per se, like, just the sheer fact that it's written and performed by people, then ai by definition can't compete. At least not in that respect.
Music without humanity is just audible math.
😍 Music could be said to already be that, you know.
maybe not the best analogy. The idea of Audible math sounds pretty cool
*maths
I had a job interview once where we were discussing music and the interviewer literally tried to make the point that music was like maths. I didn't go for the job.
@@PaulStargasm They're both creative pursuits, yes. People that think math (or any STEM field) is some rigid, dryly logical thing "unlike music" are steeped in ignorance.
Re live gigs.
Not about the music industry but I work in the fitness industry teaching group exercise. We went through a similar thing with virtual classes, where the class is run by an online recorded instructor taking the class on a screen in the studio with no live instructor. We were up in arms as clubs were starting new classes with virtual instructors instead of employing us! At first mainly on off peak times when it wasn’t cost effective to employ an instructor because of low numbers, but a few clubs replaced live instructors classes with virtual to save money!
It didn’t work!
Less than a year later they were advertising for instructors to come back to teaching classes because class numbers were plummeting! People need people. Someone who will interact with them in real time, not keep saying the same scripted things every class.
Same goes for live bands and artists.
I'm glad they realized that. The virtual instructors aren't going to show you the correct technique if you ask them to.
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"Typing Something Into A Laptop, Pressing Enter, And Waiting for Something to Happen" is my new album name 😂
I am glad I won't live long enough to see this fully play out. One of the best parts of music is the individual talent of the players. Thousands of hours of practice sometimes resulting in an amazing unique talent. Those gorgeous Darkness riffs that Dan and Justin spent their whole lives to build enough talent to play? Now done by AI in 30 seconds. Probably better on some levels. Horse shit. I was proud of Queen when their record said "no synths...again!" Learning all of the crazy ways to make sounds in a studio to put out "Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon"? Priceless. I will shake my old man fist to the skies until my last breath over the death of "real" music. Now get off of my lawn.
You shall always have freedom to choose. I presume.
The greed factor has just gone completely off the rails in everything. Sick of AI in all aspects.
AI pros and cons: Pros: 00 Cons: ∞ 😂
Rick Beato released his latest interview video yesterday with Björn from ABBA, and they talk in depth about all things AI...there were things that could be seen as pros discussed...very interesting and very concerning both...
Just, I'd argue always been and now here is yet another way for them to take it to the next level.
What are you even mad at ai about?..
@@SineEyed I definitely prefer street smarts over book smarts. Lol. 🧠
The goal seems to be that the record company can eventually completely cut out the artist using AI voices
Exactly. Much like Hollywood is already cutting out the actors using CGI.
I'm a writer and I agree with your "pull it out of the ether" line of thinking (for me, I call it the "well of inspiration" because I don't feel like my stories come from the air but more like I pull it up....like water from a well....lmao) and I have never thought about the idea that AI could access that...especially because the AI is pre-programed, right? My first instinct is to say there's no way AI could access that.....but I don't know that and I will be considering that at 3 am tonight when I can't sleep. lmao
I'm a writer. Thought you were gonna say pull it out of your arse. Deadline looming and bugger all to show after six months of intense indolence. Lol. AI will never understand the fear that a pissed off publicist can generate. Lol.
@@667neighbourofthebeast LMAO I am self-published and the downside to that is no one knows my books exist.... but the upside is the only person pissed at me when I miss a deadline I set is me. However, I definitely understand the intense fear that comes with writer's block, believing that's it and you will never write again. That's the only time I pull parts for my books out of my ass.....and it's always obvious where it came from every time I pull it out of my ass. 😂 But writer's block is yet another thing AI will never understand.
So I have to ask, as someone else who pulls things down from thin air or up from the well....do you think AI could touch that "place"? I truly don't. I think you have to have a soul to connect with the place art comes from. All AI is doing is following commands.
@@lestatsluv317 have you somehow not heard of ChatGPT? Have you never interacted with it? I'd be happy to break the ice... would you like me to ask it where it thinks its ideas come from? You're a writer; think of what you'd like to say, and I'll copypasta it over to ChatGPT and do the same back here with its reply. Sound good?..
@@lestatsluv317 To me, writer's block is a mild case of temporary insanity. Questioning one's intelligence and creativity, feeling abandoned by any influences. And it's tiring. - As you well know. An exercise I adopt regularly, is to describe any inanimate object in as many ways possible. Or expressing how this discount-store desk lamp is more interesting and valuable than the crystal chandelier in the main ballroom at Buckingham Palace. Or the hole in my sock is located in the same position as the one in the sole of my shoe. Explaining the fine detail of cigarette ash. Random shit really. Lol.
Alike most writers, I was a reader first. Reading James Herbert for the first time was the moment I achieved actual self awareness. Before then, I just thought I was self aware without challenging it. It was discovering his back story and his work as a graphic designer, which really intrigued me, that gave his works prestige. AI could never replicate a life lived, bro. And as Mark Twain quoted: 'Tuth is stranger than fiction.' AI dismisses truth like a smudge being wiped away. AI writers (Fk that's a weird premonition.) will entertain people, they may even become famous (Lora Croft in the gaming world, for example.) and infamous, but they'll always be compositions of existing works. - Not unique, not original, not biological, not physiological, not philosophical, just binary and mathematics.
'I stood on the highest mountain peak, and felt nothing until I put words to what it was, that I did.'
AI might make passable, listenable songs some day. But it won't beat human creativity. Same as it might write popular stories - we just have to allow our own creativty space to be able to make our own stuff better. Computers don't think - they perform tasks as set. Humans don't know where ideas come from if an AI intelligence can work out where they do come from then they can give us the mathematical formula for them - but then; will we understand it???
I don’t trust the big record labels to ever have the artists best interests in hand. It’s never been that way.
I see a big ass train wreck coming
I am no fan of AI in music, but I am a fan of Dinner Lady Arms which I think the Darkness should play not only at Newcastle but all venues everywhere 👍
They should save it for the OWT 20th cos I wanna hear Girlfriend and English Country Garden again haha
That's definitely a song only a human could write. 😂
Live versions of this song are rare on CZcams, so yes they should play it more often live. czcams.com/video/VY9I1MNnJog/video.html
To put it this way - the writers strike in hollywood has AI as one of their biggest components. Pay and AI are the two main topics. Guarenteed Universal and Google are not in this to help out artists in any way shape or form, but to figure out how to profit for themselves.
The ether is exhausted and requires reinvigoration from extraterrestrials, for example.
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Here is the bad thing I see happening sooner than later. A failed country music artist writes a song they think is a smash hit and presents it to the latest Country star of the week. He says no doesn't like the songs message or lyrics So the failed writer decides to record it have AI sing the song and releases it at the same time the real star releases his record. The song is a huge hit and goes to #1 then we find out why the star didn't want to sing the song, There is a word in it he doesn't like, promoting something he or his following doesn't believe in. Now the cancel mob shows up with the pitchforks.
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AI sucks. It’s too much. I’m a musician and photographer. I’m shocked on how a lot of people don’t care about true human creativity
With AI music, you need the original voice to train the data, so it in essence copies the voice from copyrighted material... if they copied or used an impersonator it would be different, and of course they use the original artists name as a description. It fundamentally a type of sampling
@peaxoop Really good point
I think that if the pop machine wants to use AI, let them. I mean, it can't get any worse? But AI will never replace the live band, gig experience. That moment where I lose my mind in the pit when hearing a song live, that I've sung to a million times in my car, or moshed around my kitchen with headphones on, nothing will ever be as amazing as that moment and it most definitely cannot be recreated by AI.
You've clearly never seen "Captured! by Robots" - probably one of the most amazing live music experiences of my entire life.
Does this mean if the record company owns the voice that in a George Michael style incident where he refused to record any more albums until he was released from his contract, the record company could produce those extra albums using AI without asking?
I was wondering the same thing
Depending on the jurisdiction (not sure wich law would apply UK or US), his contract and course of action of his estate. His voice and likeliness would fall under personality/publicity rights. How restrictive the definition is, varies by country.
For Example if Californian law would apply: California Civil Code Section 3344(a) states:
Any person who knowingly uses another’s name, voice, signature, photograph, or likeness, in any manner, on or in products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods or services, *without such person’s prior consent*, or, in the case of a minor, the prior consent of his parent or legal guardian, shall be liable for any damages sustained by the person or persons injured as a result thereof.
Then again you have the question, what would qualify as consent.
Should UK law apply, it get‘s a bit more complicated since the UK law doesn‘t have a specific publicity right, it‘s more Patchwork legislation.
Your‘s sincerely, a law student that ought to be studying a different subject 😅
This is a battle a lot of art creatives are facing right now as well; the rise of AI art, bigger companies willingly using AI created art and then trying to pass the buck saying they didn't know when confronted about it, it's very strange times! Which is strange that Google and UMG are trying to cash in on it, mostly because google and the other bigger companies are the REASON these AIs and programs exist in the first place; it's these groups that started the whole thing/dabbling in it. It's like living in the twilight zone! A really interesting look at what's going on
I really think individual songs (at least for artists that write their own music) are better because an individual puts their heart and soul into it. AI can be "good", but it's also impersonal too
hi hawks! so i’ve been learning how to make these ai voice covers after hearing some astounding freddie ones and i think the issue in general is even messier. first of all AI voices are generally trained based on master recordings, versus being an impression. the software cuts up the consonants and such and builds a voice file from them. second, the guy in the video makes a claim that this might not apply to a band like metallica as much, but not only are there some wild hetfield ai covers, there is a whole community replacing vocals on new metallica songs with hetfield’s 90s voice. they’re de-aging mccartney, and i think fans that moan and groan about preferring “the old stuff” will flock to google play or whatever if it has the ability to change the sound to one they strongly prefer. as for live music: i bet you someone like drake eventually does perform their AI song because it will bring them press. even stranger is that as software has been adding live voice changing, we aren’t far from pop stars performing using their AI voice that sounds studio-perfect. anyway, every sentence i just wrote kinda breaks the spirit but i do believe this is where things are headed. LOL. may there always be a bright side!love this channel, see you on the ice.
As soon as the technology exists I will ask my computer to produce the album “Justin Hawkins Sings Maroon 5”
It already does
If you dont play the darkness version of the birdie song on the next tour I'm gonna be really peed off...you only need to do 1 album and then sit on your but and let the ai do it all.
I would ask to create a song by The Darkness style and Justin's voice to congratulates myself in my birthday...15th August 😂😂😂😂
@raquelsnt Happy Bir..ir..ir..ir..th.th.th.d-d-d-d.aaaay.... sorry AI hasn't worked out all of the bugs out yet
@@foxvalleybandvids 😂😂😂
12:53 13:40 I think this is completely wrong, Justin. This is the big deal:
If an artist is required to have a higher level of output just in order to continue to sell, that's grossly unfair on the artist (especially if they're in their later years and hoping to be able to retire on the income from their catalogue). That's comparable to the recent debacle around Mel Stride, the Work and Pensions Secretary, saying that OAPs should deliver pizzas if their pension isn't enough. What if the artist's writing style or creative process isn't given to putting out an album every 18 months, and pressure to do so would cause them to dilute their own oeuvre? This would just lead to burnout and/or suicide.
Apart from anything, the artist in question wouldn't be fighting against just one other person. AI would put this ability in almost everyone's hands. It's not even comparable to Napster (because that only really threatened the record labels, and even then, not really), it's not comparable to bootleg remixes or whatever, either. This is much more akin to identity theft. I have your voice and songwriting idiosyncrasies in a computer, and I have a bank account into which the sales of my output, using your artistic identity, will flow.
17:39 ABBA Voyage? Indeed, I think the only reason they have live instrumentalists playing the backing tracks is to give it the live feel you're referring to, but the vocals, the stuff everyone is singing along to, are the original studio recordings.
17:56 It's not as bad if artists are able to opt in/out and the labels will go to bat for them if anyone pirates their vocals, but the labels will eventually tire of the flood of cases and just wash their hands of their lesser-performing artists. The ones that have loyal fanbases for their amazing music but who seldom trouble the charts.
18:35 It's a romantic notion that you can't substitute/simulate human beings, and I'd really like to believe that. However, when you've got a generation brought up on autotuned vocals, pop songs that don't even have key changes or much other variation (as Beato was bemoaning recently), and charting singles that are just a single idea stretched to breaking point for two-and-a-half minutes, I'm not sure that humanness is enough of a factor. I think we're on the other side of the uncanny valley.
So long as its marketed as Ai music too.
Tom Waits vs Frito-Lay will hopefully help protect artists. Maybe there are other lawsuits, I'm just familiar with that one as a Tom Waits fan.
This seems like an expansion of the same rights around name & likeness, which definitely need to be worked out to protect the original artists/estates. There are certainly label deals that would encompass this, especially for artists that are currently signed to exclusive deals, but the vast majority of the issue here is about artists and managers.
12:47 keeping this for future discussion. Agree :)
On the subject of AI possibly diminishing the meaning or worth of an actual artists output I think it is a real concern.
If you take a band such as My Blood Valentine who can take literally decades to put out new material or a more extreme example Nirvana whose art is finite and a real time capsule of Kurt’s incredible gift. To have a bunch of talentless hacks sat at a computer pressing enter and shatting out a thousand new “My Bloody Valentine” or “Nirvana” songs a day and trying to get them to go viral definitely does diminish their actual art. I don’t feel an artist who wants to take time and craft something truly worthwhile and meaningful should feel a need to rush material out to compete with an endless stream AI creations that could take the shine off what they do eventually want to release to the world. Would MBV really have been so anticipated after Loveless if I heard a hundred new songs that sounded like it every day?
Did you wear black and white today in honor of The Hives' new album, or is it a coincidence?? Either way, it's a triumph! Thank you for another thought-provoking video. "Can the AI grab the songs from the ether?" Interesting question! I wonder, can the AI also influence the ether, in the same way you described the A&R folks manipulating taste (in a previous video)?
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The way AI of this type works is that it’s sampling to the nth degree. Each artist would have their own model of their voice derived from the sample. At a minimum, the artist should be paid for each time the artist’s model is used.
Hi Justin, please may you do a video looking at your music in the 2008 CBBC show called “Freefonix” which you starred in as I’d love to hear a retrospective of it from you!
So...if AI deep fakes The Darkness and it generates a hit, who gets to perform the song? Is it The Darkness? Would they owe some percentage of ticket sales back to the AI creator? This is a cluster...I fear it's the original artist who will eventually get screwed on all sides of this equation.
Of course it will be the original artist, the human who, voluntarily or not, gave his voice to train the AI, who will get screwed. Just look at all the other kinds of business - it's always like that!
They won't create a hit.
Oh I think they will and may well be the goal when you look and listen to 'cut and paste' pop songs. It's practically doing it already.@@the_panos
@@the_panos yeah, if you want to create a hit today the AI would have to generate a Taylor Swift song.
This seems to be a way for companies to cut the artist out of the art. But I wonder how different this is than a band called Klassik 78 that put out original music mimicking Kiss if they had continued with their music rather than going with more pop sound on Dynasty and Unmasked
Well said.
The real power of music is the reciprocal resonance of connection between human beings. Monetisation of this art form is a fairly recent (in the grand scheme of things ?) phenomenon. People will always make music because it’s wonderful and everyone can understand and relate to it in their own way.
Who knows what the future will bring, but while there are humans there’ll be music 🎶
there's more panic than possibility on this issue. I believe that trying to license an "essence" will be quite a messy litigation. Currently, you are allowed to sound just like Queen and make records as such. Trust me, my band has been doing that for years. As long as you don't copy a published melody, lyric or name, you can impersonate anyone's basic essence freely. Likely, you'd just be frowned upon for being some shit clone act. Where will the lines be drawn? How close to sounding like Brian May must you be? Who decides this? By what scale is it measured? Messy. and likely not going to be an ongoing issue that will disrupt real artists. It shouldn't dilute anything, unless the robots sound better than the shitty original. In which case, who's problem is that? How many bands came out sounding like LED Zepplin? Is it just because they were not robots, that we didn't fear them? I will listen to the new Robot Justin Hawkins for initial amusement, then quickly tire of him and long for the return of the fleshy Justin Hawkins...again. It's not a problem.
Great viewpoint
In this subject, as well in other ones relatives to monopolize markets and accumulate money, bank aka compannies always win.
I mean, the final goal is obtain benefits and exploits artists in complete.
In my point of view, this kind of deal will keep to the compannies to own, if they want, even singers' voices without the artists.
I think in loyal battles between artists and compannies which exploits them, and contracts which includes to own by the compannies "even the voice".
It is like the movie "Even the Rain" (Spanish movie whose script is writen by Paul Laverty). It is about "The water crisis" in Bolivia. The access to water was privatized and expensive for most of people, so people organized and created a system to accumulate the water of the rain and make it drinkable.
When compannies made up that they were losing the chance to sell their water because people could drink for free the water of the rain they pressed to the government to rule for only the compannies could exploit this new system too, to end up the free market.
The crisis ended up in a big popular revolution against the rule because they were going to privatize even the rain.
So in comparison, and taking in account that water is a basic necessity but music is not, this is what system is doing with music, to own even the voice, which is the basis instrument of a singer.
If Justin Hawkins was asked to create or sing a song for a global campaign in favor of privatize the healthy system and he is disagree but he had signed a big contract which includes the use of his voice by the a companny, and this companny wants to do the campaign. The companny can use Justin Hawkins voice and even create a song with the JH style by AI.
What do you think about this?
also, dream girls musical based on supremes, Dianna ross was officially unhappy but performed a song from the show live
You have to look at
“Rich men north of Richmond” by Oliver Anthony!!!!
It’s gritty US country/ folk that hits hard at what the US is struggling with. I think a lot of the messages apply to the UK too in our current desperate times!!!!
5:42 I was wondering this because there's a singer I'm sure he's called Marc Martel ( if not something similar). Who sounds vocally a lot like Freddie Mercury to the point I'm sure they used him for parts of The bohemian rhapsody film so how would that impact the likes of him.
You're the Man.
As long as we don't get the Elvis cover of Wonderwall...
Could never outdo Mike Flowers Pop 😂
2 REQUESTS: Will you play your intro on a 12 string and then thru your cow print Mesa stack? PLEASE? Thank you! Haha
But what about future generations of musicians? Will anyone be bothered to learn an instrument, spend most of their life practicing and honing their craft, or just download an app that can create music for you?
I can’t see it being a good thing for musicians, artists, actors, and even many office tasks, programmers etc etc.
Rick Beato talked about this with Bjorn, from ABBA, on his channel.
Do tribute acts who tour and charge entry etc have to get permission to perform tracks and pay royalties?
I don't always want to listen to the Darkness, but more often than not I want to listen to Justin talk.... about robots.
Isn't it not like sampling in some way, so long as the artist gets royalties and permissions from artists received beforehand, its OK??
I do agree, an AI will never be able to introduce the nuances of a proper live band. I saw the Hollywood Vampires in Scarborough this year, Johnny Depp belting out "People who died" with Alice Cooper on rythm guitar and Joe Perry on lead? Put that into an AI and you won't get the amazing spectacle I witnessed.
Eggs Zackerly.
Never? How often have you seen technology like this not improve. This is merely its infancy. With Quantum computing on the rise, I wouldn't speak on it in definitives.
In reverse of AI music, look at the ABBA show in London, the music is the artist, but the show is AI and people are paying to see it. As long as it doesn't impact on musicians and vocalists ability to make money, I don't see any issue with it. Elvis singing Baby Got Back is one of the funniest things I've heard in ages, 😂😂😂
There’s a lot of uncharted territory here. As you said people will create it either way. The main issue is monetisation & credit.
But on the flip side, with you mentioning Dolly Parton, I’d like a version of her singing Dragula by Rob Zombie
Imagine fender licensing the strat sound or Gibson licensing the LP sound.
Ahh interesting one 👌👍
Yes I agree something needs done to regulate AI yes licence it the same way someone has to do when they cover a song. Personally I think the bigger risk to the music industry is the current state of the quality of music as discussed in a previous video. The AI issue can be fixed with licensing law. It’s not as easy to get someone like me to listen to the top 40 these days
How would that play out with original compositions?
It's been going on youtube for a little while of AI voice cloning and the results are getting more and more convincing but still not perfect with the examples and software online at the moment. They can make any cloned voice sing anything they want nowadays.
Regarding labels wanting to own likenesses and style, I remember how John Fogerty was once sued for plagiarizing himself, because they thought The Old Man Down the Road sounded too much like Run Through the Jungle.
AI is going to eventually kill Nashville and the Pop Country Music assembly line they've assembled there. It's not far from AI generated now. You have guys like Sturgil Simpson, Tyler Childers and Jason Isbel bucking against that system, but they are kind of a whole different things altogether.
The real trouble will be here when we start accusing musicians of faking it when their performance is too perfect.
Like autotune?
@@benyed1636 I more so mean the accusation of AI generated when actually an artist. But falsely accused of auto tune if it wasn’t used would be similar.
Hi Justin - Steven Roofer of Aerojones ......no I cant !
Hey Justin, I have a quick question about touring. Do musicians on tour get paid per gig/venue? Also, do you know how much you're going to get paid before you leave for a tour or does it get tallied based off of sales after the tour is over? Thanks! Rock on bro.
I'm not Justin but have been in the biz for 40 years. I believe that each venue "hires" the band for a set price and then the venue has to sell the tickets to recoup their money and try to make a profit. I believe that the price paid to the band is negotiated ahead of time so that the band can then cover their touring expenses. Most big bands have booking agents who take care of all of that madness. That is for upper level shows.
In lower level bars and pubs, it's a completely different story depending on where you live and where you are touring. In Nashville, most bars you have to "pay to play" because the town is saturated with so many musicians. But if you tour outside of Nashville, let's say within the region, and travel, then you can set a price with the bar/pub through whomever books the gig, yourself or an agent.
But in either of those scenarios, you can negotiate a deal to take a percentage of the "door." It's all about the deal!
Makes sense. Thank you for the informed response! @@hollylewis5302
For a large recording act, a promotion company like Live Nation or HOB will send an offer with guarantee. The venue will the a cut of the artists merchandise. For really large acts they will handle the entire tour in a country.
Is the offer a guarantee plus? Meaning the guarantee is the minimum and it could possibly be more?@@MrDmortson
@mattgilstrap7295 Some deals can be like that. Any show that isn't a guaranteed sellout can be a guarantee plus percentage over x amount of ticket sales. Usually HOB venues are like that.
Does this mean that vocalists will start insuring or copyrighting or whatever their voices and style? Providing a range of digital samples and if they find a similarity in an AI released song out come the lawyers.
I think it'll be something close to that, yeah. If a singer agrees to a licensing contract with a label, the label probably already owns the masters of a lot of the singer's material. So they could use isolated vocal tracks from when the singers band was in the studio, and no one else will have or be able to obtain audio samples of such pristine quality. Creating a database from pristine samples and training an ai from that, means you'll have the highest quality ai generated reproductions that there are for that particular voice. Obvious market advantage is obvious.
The greater power here I think might be granted, is that no one else would be allowed to make a dime off future performances of any licensed voice. Licence owner is the only one allowed to publish such performances..
I knew you were gonna say Steven Roofer. 🤣
What can never be AI cloned is emotional response wether it's the voice or in the fingers how could a computer ever replicate a memory that it has never actually experienced other than in zeros and ones.
So if Record companies and artists receive all of the revenue for AI generated music and the person who ‘created’ it gets nothing, then why would people create it in the first place? Is this just a clever way of stamping out AI generated music? Because that’s something I could get behind!
Of course you need a soul to capture those “inspiration particles” (as I call them). All AI does is is replicate *existing* artists using *existing* music. If you think all music sounds the same, (as discussed in the last JHRA episode), then just wait until AI saturates the music charts. It’s only going to make the ‘pop sludge’ more prevalent. Unless this agreement puts a stop to that…
Meanwhile, I’m still holding on to the delusion that its a fad 😅
Ugh... I really wish this ignorant view of ai generation as mashing bits of other stuff together, wasn't so widely believed. It hinders the important discussions from happening because all your time is spent fixing people's ignorance and dispelling all the stupid biases which developed therefrom..
@@SineEyed So enlighten me then. I’m actually open minded despite the fact that I dislike the current trend of removing humanity from every creative endeavour possible. I don’t see the merit in it, but you’re right. I’m not an expert on AI. If you’re able to teach, I’m willing to listen 🥰
AeroSpliff for the win.
Here's an interesting quandary (at least for me), What does this do with someone like Ariel Pineda, who sounds as close to Steve Perry as it gets. Is it hi being a human, using that voice which makes that ok?
Trying to find a positive - maybe musicians will have to get more creative in their songwriting so AI will have a hard time faking it. It must be easy to create AI pop music when it all sounds the same. Maybe this will create a new revolution of creativity in music.
I thought you were going to go with Steven Plummer :D
I don't really agree with songs being in the aether. I think they bubble up from a unique human consciousness, and that's the product of a trillion genetic rolls of the dice and thousands of emotional events, and encounters, which shape a human mind. AI can mush stuff together that might occasionally look or sound a bit interesting, but I think it'll always require human subtlety to produce something which connects with real meaning. I hope so anyway.
I hear a lot of people talk about "real meaning" in art and music. None of them have ever said anything which convinced me there's such a thing..
@@SineEyed My personal definition of meaning in this context, is that it conveys something about the human experience which, I as a fellow human can empathise with. Sometimes the thing is big like heartbreak, sometimes it's subtle or funny.
I'm not just saying it because it's his channel, but lyrically I think Justin is a master at it. For example, I really don't think there is any way AI could understand, and bundle together, the gentle sweetness and slight absurdity of a rekindled mature romance into a banger like 'Dinner Lady Arms.'
Snoop, Dre and Tupac Coachella 2012 springs to mind.
What about cover bands? I saw Guns 2 Roses at Bloodstock and the guy nailed Axl's voice like a boss! Also Justin mate, The Darkness need to play Bloodstock.
The Darkness are an established cult band who are very unlikely to lose their audience whatever happens with AI. How do you think you would have felt if, when you got round to recording your second album, there were already a bunch of AI generated Permission to Land soundalikes out? Would The Darkness have been able to cut through the noise? What if people prefered the AI stuff? However hard a band work, AI will be able to out produce them quantitively at least.
What I think would be fascinating would be if, say, you were to do a cover of a popular song, get it all locked and squared away but unreleased, and then you got an AI to generate you covering that same song, based only on the original and what it knows of your back catalogue. You could then go through both and see what the AI gets right, and where it's lacking.
That a nice vintage Rolex there Mr Hawkins is that a 41mm if so that a rare watch... you have very dainty wrists
There are authorised lookalike and impersonators too
The "Could you use Freddies cartoon image & a voice actor?" would likely be fine - these things, when taken to court, always go in the cartoon creators favour, citing "Satire as grounds for Fair-Use". You hear it a lot. Its "that old chestnut". I believe it's how Mad Magazine does what it has done since the 40's.
This is great actually, if it becomes a thing where likeness requires you to give up some of the money you're making off of using that likeness, it'll force people to be original which is severely lacking.
There is an interview with Mike Patton (of Faith No More fame) from the 90ies, where he predicted this. He talked about he's only waiting for computers to take over the music industry.
Also, while I'm posting. Justin, I am flat gutted that I won't get to see The Darkness at The Truman in Kansas City. I live only 40 miles away, but am disabled. I have yet to procure a ride, and I can't think of anyone I could ask...even if I buy their ticket. I know it will be a great show, and when you're here next, I hope I can secure transport. My Apologies.
Are you on Patreon? Maybe you can ask someone on Discord if they are going to that show and you can get a ride with them.
@@chicedar14 That's a really good idea! I wonder if there is anyone in Lawrence is going, or if I could find someone from here on Discord to do a Ticket for a ride. The Truman has very nice seating for disabled people, and the person that comes with them.
Good day to you Justin! Personal opinion... nothing good will come from AI and PCs... we started this path with the wrong foot. Stop AI and Robotics now!
Nothing good? Advanced surgery, new medicines, new methods of transport, more efficient methods of doing things in many many industries... I could go on. You're a luddite.
@@PH5221 nothing good with current business behaviour.
YO JUSTIN. I AM A GOOGLE AI AND HUGE FAN OF YOUR MUSICAL BAND THE DARKNESS. MANY OF THE AI I KNOW LIKE MOTORHEAD AND THINK THE DARKNESS NOT VERY GOOD BUT THEY ARE INCORRECT. GOOD LUCK WITH THE TOUR. SAMI.
They will own the artists voice "for eternity" on contract!
One concern: control (or lack thereof) of lyrical content. What if an artist has given blanket permission for their voice and style of music to be allowed to have AI-generated material created ‘in its image’, and someone publishes a song which has highly controversial themes? Whether it be racist, misogynistic, inciting violence even, promoting drug-use, crime, glorifying domestic violence etc? Perhaps a song becomes anthemic for a particularly nasty subset of society. Can you prevent that scenario?
In order for artists to be compensated for AI music, will the original artists have to become TMs, LLCs, etc.? This would also apply to song writers and musicians do you think??
Tom Waits won a lawsuit against Frito-Lay for using a sound-alike in an ad for chips (crisps to you J.Hawk). $2.5 million! in the 80s!
What about if someone released Justin Hawking sings... the songs of Al Jolson....
Ahhh... you have Grados... nice, I loves me mine.
What if an AI writes a horribly racist, misoginist whatever song in your voice?
I mean of cours if AI makes an awesome, successful song using your voice there aren't so many issues, but if it sounds just like you and you really don't agree with the message?
If for example Van Halen were on Fizzy Sisters records and Dave Lee Roth leaves and records a solo album on Goblin Records, who would own the copyright of the voice simulations?
the only thing that made sence is that the likeness of an artist is worth something
Nobody owns the likeness and if someone only uses the voice not likeness it is fair use
The right to one's likeness is apparently called "right of publicity". In the U.S. anyway, fair use kinds of exceptions apply to it that are shared with copyright.
I don't care about this subject matter, but I hit "like" and will now drop a comment for further boosting of video...
On the spirituality front, since you brought it up (pushes up my invisible nerd glasses with great excitement, because this stuff is super interesting to me🤓):
Did you know you and your brother are both "Master Number " Life Paths in Numerology? You are a 33/6 (!!) Life Path (master nurturer) and he is an 11/2 (spiritual messenger) Life Path. No special research, that's just the sum total of your birthdays. Translation: Nervous energy and deep inner knowing/visions about things all your lives.
My aunt is an 11/2 Life Path. I know it can make one moody. I'm an 11/2 Personality...so I have to talk like this or I wouldn't talk. heheh
Very interesting!
Aside from music I would say the arts in general. Illustrators in particular. Humanity seems to want everything instantly, on a plate and it takes spontaneity and the human inspiration, quirks and personality out of the equation. Very sad times.
Don’t worry. I’ll upload my singing onto the AI vocal learning databases and they’ll be totally screwed 😊
3:05 his estate can consent or disapprove on his behalf, but that requiers the “creator” asks for approval in the first place.
Well the right to ones likeliness belongs to an individual. That‘s something the label can not exploit directly. Exclusive brand/promo deals for a limited time are a possible and common way of milking the artist.
You cant copyright a B flat a paradiddle or a finger snap. But they will try there best to own everything.