Regearing Dana 30 HP /
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2022
- Now that the rear is done and driving well its time to regear the High Pinion Dana 30 on the front of the XJ. I didn't get so lucky on the pinion depth on this one so it was a good job I had a full set of setup bearings. It took up to 20 configurations to get things how they needed.
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Jeep Spec:
1999 Jeep Cherokee XJ 2.5TD RHD.
Summer Tire - 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
Winter Tire - Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX Por Studded 35x12.50r15 BFG KM3's with 15x8 3.75" backspacing (-19 offset).
Lift Front - RC 4.5" Coils and N2 Shocks (3" Coil Spacer).
Front Shock Bar Pin Eliminator.
Dana 30 High Pinion with Artec Industries Lower Control Arm Mounts with modified upper mount and modified Track Bar mount.
Front RC Control Arm Drop Bracket.
Ruff Stuff Short Arm Single Himes.
RC Extended Sway Bar Links.
Dana 30 Rock Crusher Diff Cover.
Ruff Stuff One Ton OTK Steering.
6" Lift Drop Pitman Arm.
Ruff Stuff Front and Center Frame Stiffeners.
Rear DIY Frame Stiffener and Rear Frame Tie in Kit.
6" x 2" Box Rocker replacement with Tube Slider.
Modified Factory Bumper with Side Sliders.
Rear Tow Hitch Tire Carrier that bolts into Rear Frame Tie in Kit.
Modified upper Shock Crossmember for Rear Shocks
Rear Axle Chrysler 8.25 29 Spline with modified High Clearance Shock Mounts.
Rear Shocks 6.5" Trailmasters.
Rear Leaf Springs 5.5" Rubicon Express
Rear RC Shackle Relocation Bracket.
Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines front and back.
Warrior 9500lb Winch.
Front Bumper - Ebay Custom Made. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I must have watched this video 20 times in the past month to get ready to regear my Dana 30. Thanks for all the info and humor on a difficult job.
🤣🤣"she always wants more!" Just remember, my friend, you picked her! Buy a "for sale" sign and keep it on the workbench where she can see it,just as a reminder! 😉 and BTW you don't look a day over 58, life's been good to you. 😇 Good stuff, you're doing a fine job on ol jeepy.
The end of the video describes the relationship between me and my TJ perfectly, lol
'been here since the big bang' - brilliant
oh look it is time for morning coffee and regear with Mike . all right let's do this
I've watched 4 of these dana 30 re gearing videos. Yours is by far the best. Nice work my man!
Happy birthday Mike, all the work on the gears has taken years off you. You don't look a day over 40
Happy birthday, Mike!
happy birthday Mike, so so appreciative of your videos you have definitely increased my knowledge and helped my 98 XJ get to new levels
I finally got around to watching these re-gear installments. This information will come in really handy later this year.
I was watching a channel where they build all manner of off road vehicles for recovery jobs and playing out on the rocks in Utah but what's funny is recently they did a re gear on some 1 ton axles. It took them 4hrs to get a good pattern. The hosts wife came on shot and said "you still messing with that...I thought you knew what you were doing"
The reply "we do!!! This is how it goes...you should see how it goes when you don't" ha!!!!
Great video as usual...
Thanks again for taking the time to put it together.
I just shared your video and it helped a lot. Thanks a bunch for the humor in such a PITA job 😊
Happy Birthday of course! Great video
Great video! Thank you for sharing!
Happy birthday man, good job getting the differentials done I’m looking forward to hearing how you like them!
Well done Homie.... well done.....
Happy Birthday Mike. Found that quite interesting though I doubt I shall ever do that in this life:) "She wants more" you'll be forever working on that truck Mike, she's got you chasing your tail.
Okay auld yin very nice even though i don't have a clue what you were doing 👍🏴
This is probably the best video I ve seen on the topic... Really well done! A like and a Sub wont do justice to your effort... Congrats bro!
Thanks for watching!
Happy birthday sir! Have a cracking time with the family ❤️ awesome vid, a little mind boggling you can put it all together. Serious skills! Might want to blank out when putting your phones password in though 😉 all the best to you and the fam x
We’ve never considered regearing ourselves. Leave that crazy stuff to the professionals 😂
But great job!! I learned a lot from you ❤️🐞
I agree. I don’t have the time or the proper tools to do a proper regear so I went to a reputable shop and had them do it…….. and then after 116 miles or so I opened it to do my outside wheel bearings to find my ring gear has chipped teeth and the carrier bearings are destroyed. And now they’re saying I need to pay for labor again for them to fix it. What a headache and it only the beginning of the mess.
Happy Birthday 🎉
I hope that beast is running great after all of that!!
Happy Birthday 🎂🎉🎈 Aloha from Hawaii
For what it’s worth: the correct syntax is 4.10 or 4.88 instead of 4:10. 4:10 would mean “a four to ten ratio”, but what it really should be is “a four-point-one to one ratio aka 4.10:1”
Great job!
P.S. mine is the same. Just finishing the floor and now noticed a coolant leak 🤦🏼♂️🤣
G'day Mike, very interesting stuff once again mate, I really enjoyed it and learned a shipload, many thanks.
One man's trash is another's treasure, fantastic to see excess parts put to good use.
I was gonna say @ least vehicles dont nag and whine, but yeah they kinda do in their own way ; )
..........they're still cheaper though I reckon, lol. Cheers Duke.
talking about how you're tired and probably need to eat
that's me, i start working and don't stop til it's done, even without eating, always a bad idea but i still do it anyway
also, i like how much you utilize wood blocks and chunks
Well I'm glad it's not just me. At least we can run on fumes when we need to and we're use to it.
Thanks for watching!
Haha that rant at the end.
Lots of people have gone higher than 4.56s in an HP30, while it's not recommended its doable. One tooth of engagement is better than none.
Its not ideal but Its a risk I am willing to take. I have already begun the processes of looking for an upgrade for the front. Living in Europe its not that easy to find something so better start now and maybe in two years I will have something decent.
Happy birthday, Mike! What kind of compund are you using for the installation of the axle seals?
I’ve got chromolys in my Dana 30 and have given it a fair bit of abuse with 4.56 gears, 35s and an LSD in front, so far so good 🤞
To remove the bearing from the pinion it's a ( separator puller item 62593 ) Harbor Freight have 14 pices for small and big bearings of the differential. The big separator behind the big bearing control how much the pinion go out to contact the big gear.
Congratulations!!
Wish you luck, greetings from Ukraine!
My heart goes out to your people and country. Are things okay in your region?
@@WorkshoptoWilderness
Yes, me and my family are doing good and it's safe in our place for now. Thank you for the support! Take care!
Hi Mike! Thanks for all the awesome content. You mentioned a return to better fuel economy. I was going to re-gear my XJ from 3.54/55's to 4.10's for 35's instead the common 4.56 or 4.88's because I thought I'd lose fuel economy. Are you still seeing better fuel economy with the 4.88's? Thanks!!
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I just heard today and it makes a lot of sense. JEEP, "Just Empty Every Pocket". Right?
Getting old there mike may have to change the channel name to adventure naps! Well done hope everything is smooth as silk
Didn't understand why you're pushing wood block when checking gear pattern, what's the point? to simulate some load? Also didn't see a crush sleeve on your pinion, did you install new one, how does it work with multiple reassemblies during gear pattern setup?
The wood block helped to put resistance on the gear to simulate some load. Some push the gear with a rag in thier hands but the wooden leaver just gave more of a mechanical advantage and I didn't need to push so hard to get a good pattern.
I used shims instead of a crush sleeve on this. Its not to hard to setup and it can be tweaked once the final bearings and pinion are in place. Its just best to use am old pinion nut before committing to the new nut.
Happy Birthday! I’ll be celebrating mine with my ‘98 Cherokee this Sunday installing new coil springs! Did you ever manage to dismantle the wing mirrors to get raptor in behind where the mirror folds in or did you spray directly onto the wing mirror as it normally sits? Cheers!
Thank you! Ah nice well happy birthday for Sunday and hope the installation goes well. I took the mirrors off and taped over the glas then just sprayed them. It looks pretty good and enough spray seemed to get through the gap to blend it all in.
Happy birthday! It looks like you've gotten the hang of regearing i think it will just get easier each time you work on gears. That looks good. I think that was smart to take it apart and try a bunch of different combinations. I've seen people beat on high pinion dana 30s that are locked with 4.88 gears and they really are a stout axle for what they are. Maybe look into sleeving the tubes as well as a truss? I think the most important thing is to stiffen the axle so there's no flex under load that should keep those gears meshing nicely. I know heavy diff covers are supposed to stiffen the housing. Some custom axles have a set screw behind the ring gear called a ring gear load bolt to guard against deflection I don't know if that's ever been done on a dana 30 before though.
My friend just dropped off a dana 44a for his grand cherokee zj he wants me to help install an ARB locker and weld on a truss and a skid plate thing and set up his gears. It's a weird axle it's called a 44a because the differential housing is aluminum and I guess there's a problem with the bearing races spinning and messing up the aluminum housing I've been trying to come up with something to prevent the races from turning like using loctite retaining compound and maybe even installing set screws that grab a dimple on the races. It's just a bare housing I don't have any of the original shims or know anything about anything so it's going to be quite a project to start from scratch with recommended shim sizes I've always been able to measure what came out.
How would a D44A compare with a 30 in your opinion? I really struggled to find much online about them but the V8 WJs all had D33As front and rear so they’re not impossible to find in the UK. I’ve built my 30 up but in the long term I’ve considered grabbing a WJ front axle as I’ve already got a D44 rear.
@@Robdutton91 I've never heard of a d30A or 33A I'm guessing that's a typo and you meant 44A? My opinion would be to stay away from any axle with an aluminum diff housing if you can. My friend is replacing a dana 35 with the 44A and I believe that's a worthwhile swap since it's bolt in and easy but a front high pinion dana 30 is a good axle. In the front of a wj I would use a high pinion dana 30 or something like a tj dana 44 if you can find one. I think your wj came with a low pinion dana 30? The dana 44A rear that I'm familiar with doesn't really have anything in common with a standard dana 44, there's not many aftermarket parts available for them either. If you want to use a 44A offroad then you need to stiffen the axle quite a bit like with a truss and heavy duty diff cover. They even make a skid plate for the 44A which I think is a must. The carrier bearing races can spin in the differential housing galling the aluminum and completely ruining the housing. I'll be using loctite retaining compound on the bearing races and possibly pinning the races with set screws but that won't be easy.
Also the wheel bearings don't have an inner race so they ride on the axle shaft and it's very common to have to replace shafts because of a bad bearing.
I think chrysler used the same 44A center section in the dodge viper, it's a tough differential but in a 4x4 it has issues.
@@forreststrong797 yes it was a typo I was half asleep writing the comment! I meant a D44A. Guess I’ll keep looking for a standard 44 front axle then, in the meantime though I am pretty happy with the HP30
Ring and pinion is the job I’m most afraid of. Seeing what you’ve done convinces me even more that “the pro’s” are not going to go in and out to get it perfect. Looks like you nailed it. English tenacity, eh mate? (My English accent is not nearly as good as your redneck accent) Cheers!
Its a job totally messed up the last time I was in the UK so I was lacking confidence this time round. I'm glad it went well and that its also till driving fine. I told myself never again and then a mate recently bought 4.88s for his XJ and needs some assistance.. fuck.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness that's hilarious 😂 we have a "saying" over here.... Find out who your real friends are when you need help moving or plumbing!
@@jayfromtexas6718 We have a similar one haha. To be fair hes a good mate as hes saved me many times.
What box of satellites did you use to put the 4.88 gear on the Dana 30?
Anyone else get a sense of deja vu watching this
How did this gears hold up? I'm thinking about buying a kit but I'm curious about the quality of the brand Elite Gears.
Its been one year since I did these gears. No noise, good clean wear patterns on the teeth with no scoring and still the same bearings from these videos. I run Redline 75w90 gear oil and its the same oil after the brake in oil. Overall I am satisfied, the jeep is 2.5 tons fully loaded and its been ploughing snow and working hard with no complaints so far. I can whole heartedly say I would recommend them.
Happy Birthday. I would love to have the 4:10 gears if you don't mind sending them to the US...lol.
They are already promised to someone or else I would happily send you them.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness darn, well appreciate it anyway. If they change their mind or it doesn't work out just keep me in mind..lol. Thank you 😊
Another question, do you have a preference to using Dana 50 gears or JK Dana 44 gears when upgrading a Ford hp Dana 44? Your site says they're both about a 44% increase in strength. Are they both 5 cut gear sets? Or is the newer jk Dana 44 2 cut?
You might be on the wrong channel here. I'm not a retailer, just some guy doing his xj.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness yes.... I made a comment and the video had lapsed before su posted 🤣 sorry about that
No worries at all
Hi!
I need your help, I have one question and I have no one to ask. I have an XJ with a 2.5 turbo diesel engine and I would put 33x12.5x15 tires on it. Also, it's my daily, so I'm not sure about 4.10 or 4.56 gears. I would appreciate your opinion.
4.56 would be the best choice on a 33. Gearing is really important on the diesel to maintain the correct rpm and power band or you just end up creating a slug with a gearing disadvantage when you shift.
I've run 4.10 on 32s and 5th always felt very low on the rpm range so that when I approached a long hill climb I would gradually loose power until 4th was needed.
@Workshop Wilderness Adventures thanks man, I appreciate it. So with 4.56 is still OK for freeway?
@@V8AmericanMuscleCar How fast do you normally drive on the freeway? If you want to see what gears re closest to what you should run use this - 33 x (old gear ratio) divided by (Old tire size) =
So for example - 33 x 3.73 / 29 = 4.25
So you could choose a 4.11 or 4.56 with that result and probably be good. 4.11 will be better on the highway and 4.56 will be better for low range.
@Workshop Wilderness Adventures i did the math the 4.56 looks tempting because of the acceleration and torque but I don't know if it will be too slow for the highway. I usually drive around 100, sometimes 120 km/h?! Again, I think that with 4.56, the engine will heat up less because it will have more power. Now I have 31s with 3.73 and it likes to run hot.
I see how you made the set up pinion races. But how did you make the set up carrier bearings?
I made those back when I did the 4.10s. Basically took a small sanding drumm on a drill and spun the inner race until it could just slip onto the carrier.
hello from Greece!!
I have the same engine in my xj on 33s and thinking of regearing to 4.56.
wanted to ask you after 1 year using the Elite gears you recomend them?
Are you pleased with them?
the prise is very reasonable and some times that a bit fishy..
so your answer it would be very usefull
thanx in advance..!!!
Just last week I did an oil change on the diffs. The gear wear on both the front and back look normal. There was no obvious metal wear particles present in the oil. The oil was a bit darker than when it was fresh but this is very normal for a differential.
Gear wear on the teeth look acceptable with the back looking better than the front. Probably because the pattern on the rear was better at the time of the install. It all looks good though, no noise and still running fine. I use Redline 75w90 in the front and Castrol 80w90 LSD oil in the rear.
Thanks for watching.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness thank you for your replay!
keep on the good work!!
How do you like the 4:88s ?
Yeah thier awesome. Got back a lot more power and fuel economy.
I'll pay shipping for the 4 10 gears if you still got em
I would gladly do that but they have already been shipped out some months back to a guy in the US. Appreciate your interest.
Still have the 4.10s ?
Not any more unfortunately. Thanks for watching
Mate please tell me you're garage is called Mike and the mechanics 😂😂atb
Haha, unfortunately not lol. I don't think they would get on board with that one. Thanks for watching
@@WorkshoptoWilderness loving the workshop videos and the mix of camping and adventures, busy catching up with them all. Atb
Glad your enjoying them and thanks for watching 👀
My Dana 30 has backlash shims on the outside of the bearing races. Is that incorrect
I think that's incorrect unless there is a model that is setup like that. There are some axles with a shim on the outer of the bearing but normally its a very thick shim from factory. With the Dana 30 I'm pretty sure it's always on the inner of the bearing.
@@WorkshoptoWilderness
Yeah I think the guys who did them did them incorrectly
It sounds like they have.
Loveing the build, you have a way of messaging ? Interested in your 4.10 Dana 30 front gears 👀
Many thanks! I had already promised the set to a guy in the USA. I shipped them off about a week ago.
Oil Slinger = The largest flat disc on the pinion
Oil Baffle = The smaller dimpled disc (non flat disc)