South African Rugby Has A Steroid Problem...
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2024
- South Africa has had more players banned for doping than any other country in World Rugby. They've actually had more than every other country combined.
So why is it so prevalent in South Africa? and how much has it helped the Springboks in their World Cup campaigns?
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If South Africa dropped their testing to the same levels as the other countries, then you probably would find similar levels of people being caught as in other countries....p,s, matt stevens was playing for England when he failed his steroids test, why count that against South Africa?
Pieter deVilliers and France?
Matt Stevens positive test was cocaine
It's the braaivleis we take mate,and of course the Biltong...😎Something you'll NEVER have the privilege of calling your tradition. That's why you get 2m tall and 110 kg 16-17 year old kids.
It's actually 25 000 people and not 20 000 when Paarl boys and Paarl gym face each other.
Do I sense a TEENY-WHEENY splatter of jealousy mate? Rugby is big here. Bigger than ANYWHERE and it's really in our blood. Get used to 2m + and 130 kg giants as flankers,get used to our standard being the best as well as our Springboks. A guy who understands the passion,the psychic and the traditions of the RSA game called Rassie Erasmus has FOREVER changed the game here. We will show it on the field from now on. We're only getting started.
In saying all this we still respect our BRILLIANT archenemies the All Blacks most and really don't fear anybody. The Irish are a breath of fresh air and EXTREMELY disciplined and bloody relentless...They are bringing jaw dropping rugby to the table and we'd have to be at our BEST to beat them. As Saffas we also hope (yes we do...) for the speedy recovery of the Aussies. We miss hating them and it's rather sad to see how they have buckled.
Lastly the team we like to annihilate MOST are the English and dare I say we take our hats off to them for making it HELL in the world cup. Just a bunch of nice guys and although we love to hate Farrell,that guy is absolutely world class!
You're welcome to come test our players for steroids and if caught - unish them. But then you'd just have to make SURE you place the rest of the world under the same scrutiny ok? Otherwise you leave us no choice but to say : "jealousy makes you nasty..."
Go Bokke! 🇿🇦❤️😎🕊️
yes but tht also shows sa has a big problem as well th fact tht thy need to test
Dude i think a lot of the person commenting are from SA because all of them are taking their side saying they are the only one 's testing ignoring the fact that other nations are too . ALL of europe testing is on point , and theres a reason both ireland and france lost despite playing a better rugby.Seriously just look at the france/SA match and points why France lost . Sure they did mistakes but SA did just as much if not more.The ref seemed really weird and as an english man i knew we were cooked but France ? They were so good man , i still don't get how they lost by the same margin we did . Kind of disgusted of rugby after this WC tbh.
Australia must be using the wrong type of steroids
There is cheating in every sport at the highest levels. If there is an advantage to be gained, you best bet, the best teams in the world are leaving no stone unturned.
Exactly. Sports of all kinds are filled with PEDs just like film stars, and any industry where people make money off having good looking and muscular or toned bodies. Furthermore what does it say about the people and teams that beat the Boks?
Exactly. At high level at every sport theres clearly lots of doping. Wouldn't make sense if there wasn't.
lol typical dog eat dog saffa attitude
Particularly when there is a political agenda. It was hugely important for SA to be successful in rugby when the government quotas were introduced. These environments lead to planned, systematic doping. Just look at the soviet union.
I heard, the other day on "Off The Ball", that there are only 2 or 3 countries who test their school boys, obviously South Africa and 2 other places (I forget which right now). So you'll mostly find articles for shcool boy doping on South Africa, because no one else tests *and* tests as much as we do. I can assure you, it's not only South Africa. (The talk on OTB was about the Irish thinking about testing their school boys as well.)
I only have experience of schoolboy rugby in Scotland, but here taking steroids is completely unheard of and its down to all the players going to prestiges private schools and having offers to do courses like medicine or engineering from the top universities itw, so if they dont really have much appetite to make it as a professional and just see rugby as a hobby
its the same in nz i mean u can tell by ther size@@finlaybarlow7711
Dude i think a lot of the person commenting are from SA because all of them are taking their side saying they are the only one 's testing ignoring the fact that other nations are too . ALL of europe testing is on point , and theres a reason both ireland and france lost despite playing a better rugby.Seriously just look at the france/SA match and points why France lost . Sure they did mistakes but SA did just as much if not more.The ref seemed really weird and as an english man i knew we were cooked but France ? They were so good man , i still don't get how they lost by the same margin we did . Kind of disgusted of rugby after this WC tbh.
@@Dontbother- what are you even saying? or trying to say
@@greatleapforwards What im saying is that SA had more juice than coconuts, and that the refering is just funny at this point.I lost faith in football years ago,time for rugby aswell now.I'll stick to Esport as there can't be any mistakes in refering there.(some take aderall tho)
It;s a known fact that the rugby authorities turn a blind eye to some of the elite rugby nations. And, we all know which nations those are. I'm not talking about SA here.
I'm genuinely curious, who are the others?
Known fact lol
Same here - who are we talking about? Just rumours or fact?
no we dnt knw yor jst talking shit
Bunch of losing moaners
Johan Ackermann is in his mid-50s? How is it so rife if you examples include some that are decades old? Matt Stevens played for England /Prem when caught and Pieter De Villiers was playing for France. Ashley Johnson got caught when playing for Wasps and had left SA many many years prior. Additionally, the sheer number of players in SA compared to others and the huge amount of testing will likely produce a bigger overall list. A little more research and context would have been more fair
If we never won the World Cup the Aussies and Kiwis and other bandwagoners would not give a rats ass what we do.
@@bunnychowmuncherwhat in the copium is that comment? Talking bandwagoners SA supporters jump on for the World Cup then disappear! This has been a conversation for years it literally has nothing to do with the World Cup! It has to do with players getting caught that’s what brings it to the lime light
@kurupt7154 no we don't. We've made huge contributions to the game for over 120 yrs. The problem is people like you are envious and like us as your kicking dog. You also bandwagon in hate when you come second to us. 100% and you're doing it now.
@@bunnychowmuncherobody scrutinised the all blacks when the won many World cups this not about SA being a winning team this is about a rotten rugby culture
@username712 Keep the insults going there eh.
If we were a rotten rugby culture, we would have kept our share of all Super Rugby revenues and let Australia and NZ have crumbs.
Investec a South African company would have offered zero sponsorship and we would not have taken hits to help Argentina or Australia develop domestic depth.
We were always open and honest of our intentions. NZ and Australia were not.
Speak for yourselves for a change.
So what is rotten about our rugby culture then? Please elaborate since you feel we have one.
So all the lower level players are taking it but not the higher levels.
Okay....
my thoughts exactly.
Do you really think the higher level players don't get tested?
The fact is that "some form of illegal substances" can be weed even. This whole video is stupid.
Yea dude,only the Springboks have this problem.
I'm in a high school that isn't too good in rugby but even tho our school isn't the best in rugby I know multiple players who are on juice especially u/16 to 1st team
And all of these people are unknowns who never make it to the top so this video is a completed skew. Australia has an entire Government department dedicated to doping so they should go make videos of themselves.
Steroids and other PEDs are absolutely a huge part of the SA success. It turns out that being a lot bigger, faster, stronger, and leaner help you win rugby games.
Realistically almost all professional athletes are on something and the testing is a joke and trivial to beat. Not to mention you can get juiced to the tits off season and cycle off during the testing window.
Further being a “big guy” is a huge part of SA culture. Check out some of Noel Dyzel’s content. He’s quite candid about it and the culture around it in SA.
Biltong and Steroids - name a more classic combo.
I saw the title and thought this video was 20 years old…. I guess the Saarfers are still at it!
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"PED'S" are so common in every gym around the world. It's so easy to get hold of this stuff. All it takes is moment of insecurity from a player to give into the dark side. That's why we see allot of players getting busted after coming back from injury. Janties and Dyantyi are good examples of this.
It's all over not just SA
"10% of players in SA schoolboy rugby admit to taking illegal substances". That is a load of bollocks and actually impossible there are hundreds of players in just one school most of whom play for fun. I went to a huge rugby School in SA and not once did I see any evidence of doping, not even at 1st Team level, maybe it was going on but it would be very rare and definitely wouldn't admit it to some random survey. I would love to see what sort of data they have for that.
I on the other hand have had the complete opposite experience. I went to one of the elite boys’ private schools in Johannesburg and in my matric year I know at least half of the guys in our first team were juicing and had been for a long long time.
If you want a serious, fact based piece on the topic, you've come to the wrong place.
The list is not correct. Some of these listed players were playing abroad & had been for a while. 2 of the players tested +ve for recreational drugs whilst living in and representing other countries.
A good few of these players were returning from serious injury and likely only using for recovery. They were caught and punished - unlike Ben Tune & Shane Warne
Steroids / PEDs are rife amongst South African school boys too.
South Africa is one of the most tested counties in the world especially at school boy level. Also, when someone of SA fails the test it is all over the news, where at the same time a guy like Rhys Webb failed his drug test and the news was very mute about it. Nothing is ever reported on the 99% of positive tests coming out of South Africa. I would love to know if a country like NZ is nearly tested on the same level as SA.
Hate to say this, but, as a South African I have spoken to many guys who play at club level where the players actually get encouraged to take roids. I have a very good friend who was cut from the cheetahs who refuses to take roids, and he’s a big boy as it is. Sad but true, this is a big problem in our sport in this country
I call bullshit. Who is the "good friend'? The Cheetah team are tested regularly. We all have "good friends" who would have played provincial rugby if not for [INSERT_REASON].
@@oraclis4892 just telling you what I heard bud
Did you take into account it will be a higher number proportionately because SA probably produces more professional players that play all over the world than any other nation?
South Africa also test their school boys very frequently (more so than other countries) so it would be obvious to assume there would be more doping cases as there is more testing
@@craigsparks1442if that was true why are the springboks the only national team with players getting pinged for doping. Maybe the testing you do in sought africa isn’t up too scratch. How can you expect a country who can’t keep its electricity on too seriously do dooong tests
Although this is only one aspect of it, I think a huge part of the problem is how being big and physical has become such a major part of the South African rugby identity. Dyantyi, Jantjies, Chilliboy and Ashley Johnson to name a few are all under six foot and I think they use these performance enhancers to try and make up for their lack of size compared to other players (which completely undermines itself when they get busted and receive lengthy bans). Also, steroid use has been on the rise as of late so I'm not surprised that it has seeped into rugby. Doesn't make it any less shocking when they get caught though. Great video as always.
Thanks mate!! & a great point, completely agree
I really can't agree with such a loose use of words. It might be a contributing factor, but it's crazy talk to call it part of the problem.
@@JGraemeH No one asked you to agree. No one asked your opinion. No one cares about either. Get over yourself, you're not as important as you clearly think you are.
Only players of colour get caught hey ...
@@uggycan you do a video on how hard they train the Springboks? How does one reach that level
I think you’ll be surprised at the amount of testing that takes place in SA from a schoolboy level. From under 16 onwards, they are tested heavily, hence the high number of positive tests. Though it is high, I think it should rather serve as a guarantee that the international players are clean and that proper precautions take place to prevent any World Rugby scandals (with Dyanti being an exception). Springboks are subject to very frequent testing, so I would have enjoyed a longer, more in depth video on this instead of something that leaves a lot of room for interpretation and that’s quite surface level
His entire MO is surface level. Watch his farcical video on the France-SA match for a sense of how 'analytical' he can be.
Stop complaining, it was a great video. He showed the stats that South Africans comprise an overwhelmingly large percentage of doping tests, and made some very reasonable comments on that. Your genius response: “but they’re tested a lot” 😂😂. Yeah no shit
@@JTO790 Hi John, please highlight it to me where in my comment I complained? I made a comment on the video, based on what I have seen first hand in South Africa. Not once complaining.
@@JTO790 He's produced a series of silly, mildly conspiratorial videos on the Boks. He has an axe to grind and is constantly in search of stones for grinding. I can complain as much I like about him and I don't give a flying **** what you think.
There’s a guy called Pierre Spies who didn’t play for 2 years who was a winger. He returned from a major injury and was so much bigger and just as fast that he changed position to number 8 😂
@@superbowljoel01 hes wrong about the timeline, but i read his book and was a fan. he took roids!
You have got it totally wrong. He was a number 8 who because of his superb athleticism was sometimes selected to play on the wing
Speculation
Spies was never a wing, always big, no 8. He was extremely fast, his dad was SA champ in 110m hurdles many times.
@@roybean7166 he did play wing briefly in the juniors. And in his first full season
The significance of our rugby culture in South Africa means that we have a high degree of safety measures and doping tests across the board. That's one of the reasons why those who test positive seem so common, because of the measures in place. Can we say the same with other countries? I'm not trying to pose as disingenuous, it's and honest question.
An interesting piece of context here is that schoolboy rugby is a big generator of prestige and income for schools. I went to one of these schools and because of the lack of testing, schools will turn a blind eye to or actually encourage this type of behavior. At my school we had a 27 year old playing for our first team that our school had falsified documents for to say he was 18. He only got caught because he made the SA schools team and he needed to get a passport. If they're willing to do that, they're willing to let their students use steroids.
Used to compete in Bodybuilding naturally and let me tell you no one has ever been found with roids, why? No is getting tested. In S.A there's so many cases because we can't tolerate drugs so testing happens frequently
Oh Uggy Uggy, if ever there was a country that has turned cheating into an art form, it is Oz. IF juicing is happening in SA .. ITS FOR SURE happening in Oz and NZ and Europe.
I am disappointed we haven’t been using the right juice over here, can’t win a game! 🤣
And no I completely agree
@@uggy Solid video bro. I had my suspicions when watching the NZ schools play the SA and the saffas were so much bigger and developed than the NZ teams. That saffa is saying that it happens in other countries too, which may be the case to a lesser extent but you can clearly see that a lot of those saffa school boys are taking it.
we have the most testing in the world. usually the more you test the more you find.@@jonharvey55
"Everybody is on juice" ~ Nate Diaz
The reason RSA players are showing up as positive more than other countries, is purely down to how harsh the countries testing regime is. The more you test, the more results you get.
We also work harder in jobs in general which includes gym work. I have worked in other countries and their work ethic does not match ours. Look at the hours Elon Musk works.
@@bunnychowmuncher whatever helps you sleep at night champ! You may have a good work ethic but not everyone from SA does! Sincerely someone who has worked with big SA boys that were the laziest people around ( that obviously doesn’t mean everyone from SA is like that ) but trying to insinuate what you are is honestly quite laughable
@kurupt7154 and like overseas people have a higher work ethic and don't cut corners? I have lived all over the world and know better. Eish go have a cold shower.
@kurupt7154 We don't sleep as much at night because we work. Indians too. The biggest earners in North America and Europe are Chinese, Indians (from the sub continent) and Southern Africa. It's statistically proven and compare Elon Musk to his staff.
SA players are highly tested...we just report ours not like other nations who shelter and protect their cheats.
You’re only tested for the drugs that are listed! This doesn’t mean that other drugs are being used
Uggy, you may claim a balanced view, but your click-bait title kills any good intention that may have been hidden
It's just the way youtube works unfortunately. You have to have the clickbaity title and thumb nail but I think the actual content of the video was balanced
The players on that list are 50 years old !
You make a valid point by asking the question… I mean I’m a true bok supporter, but look at PSTD performance in the final… that guy was on fire or was it a stimulant… if you also look at South Africa vs Ireland in the group stages you’ll see Jonny sexton take something during a water break…. Having said the above I think they need to do more…. If the springboks are doping in any form I would be disappointed 😢
Okay ya, SA has had a few problems with doping, but and this is a big BUT, none of those players have returned to play for the green and gold, so it can’t be used as an excuse for our success
This was brilliant and definitely something that needs to be looked at more, well done!
Thanks brother!
Dude if you know you know. It starts at high school level.
Very much a scientific observation
Howzit @Uggy - I went to one of those boys' schools you showed in the video in the early 90's. I played for the U19 F team on a good day and the U19 G team most weekends. Our interschool (vs. the other team from Paarl) was famous then and has only increased in popularity. There was a lot of pressure then, and I can only imagine what it is like now. Here in my adopted Australia, I have lost contact with my alma mater. You bring up a sensitive topic that deserves more attention. I don't see it as sour grapes from you as some other commentators did, but simply asking a question. I'm pleased you pointed out some obvious reasons why the failed tests are so high (the more you test, the more you find positive results). It reminds me of the situation in my other favourite sport, cycling. We need an international approach to testing for illegal substances implemented from the schoolboy level. But I do not imagine much appetite for this approach. It took decades to sort out the doping in professional cycling.
hey uggy, long time no see. solid video and ur channel is growing huge!
In a country where opportunities are scarce, sport is a gateway to a better life. Unfortunately, the level of competition is insane and the pressure can push young men into doing anything to gain an edge. Not an excuse, just think it's important to understand an individuals motivation. Decisions, especially poor ones, aren't made in a vacuum.
Really well said… wish I had of covered this.
Strange after we win the 4th world cup, now "steroids" made us win.
This isn’t a new conversation it just must be the first you are hearing of it, as you see in this video majority of the problem isn’t with the bok but junior players and just South Africans who play elsewhere getting caught! the title is clickbaity but it’s not saying springboks win because of steroids it’s saying use of steroids is a problem
NZ is up there with them, just not being caught , that goes for across the board, no different to other countries.
To be honest I'd imagine its fairly rampant in the sport at a high level.
What so they don’t have steroids in rest of the world and are all so morally superior to not use juice. The fact that we are testing and punishing steroid users shows our system is lot more transparent than other countries.
I said after the U20 RWC final that the French team looked superhuman and were, in my opinion, on special "vitamins". A lot of people criticised me at the time. People have to wake up.
Dude i think a lot of the person commenting are from SA because all of them are taking their side saying they are the only one 's testing ignoring the fact that other nations are too . ALL of europe testing is on point , and theres a reason both ireland and france lost despite playing a better rugby.Seriously just look at the france/SA match and points why France lost . Sure they did mistakes but SA did just as much if not more.The ref seemed really weird and as an english man i knew we were cooked but France ? They were so good man , i still don't get how they lost by the same margin we did . Kind of disgusted of rugby after this WC tbh. And how can you can you suspect the french when they have the best gameplan at the moment ?They win off of that , not pure physical strenght unlike a certain team.
Bronson Xerri is returning to the NRL after a 4 Year ban for steroids...yeah 1 guy in the Entire NRL🤔
Great video buddy! As an Irish man, I would have no clue about juice but I'm sure there are players taking it here too.
you're right, I used to sneak orange juice and sometimes apple juice between training. some of my team mates went hard core and started drinking cranberry juice. Its become an epidemic, even walking into the local shop you will see juice on on the shelves. terrible I tell ya.
i thought guinness was a performance enhancing substance
Thank you for your great video. As a South African fan I understand the pressure of players are under , for us rugby is not only a way of life, but the be all and end all of everything in our country. As more money flows into rugby I believe we will see players from wealthier nations starting to show more interest in performance enhancing drugs.
At the same time it should be pointed out that your list constitutes mostly unknown players, and the levels reached by the springboks in this World Cup was actually far less than expected given the calibre of our coaching team and the type of players we had at the time. Most of our matches were won by sheer luck and determination.
Having been around a lot of professional atheles, having had a vested interested in athletics (100m spirits), the rigged and scripted American sports like NFL and NBA, tennis, football and rugby, I can safely say that EVERYONE at the highest level is on juice, be HGH, testo for different reasons (footballers need stamina, rugby players need power /speed and stamina), they take different things to recover from injury or to recover from a match in 48 hours.
If you think Usain Bolt and everyone that's ever lined up on that 100m line in the Olympic finals is not juicing I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Even golfers are juicing to recover from injuries.
Also players are taking pills to improve their concentration during games, which is something that's never ever talked about.
The problem with the Boks is that they have made physicality their DNA, so it's hard for the French, English and Irish to accept that "our roided up guys absolutely blitzed your roided up guys".
Research what Victor Conte revealed during the Major League Baseball steroid saga in the mid 2000s 😊
Doping at high level sports is a fact, yeah. But I 100% believe that not EVERYBODY is on drugs. Yeah maybe in the ufc yes, when the number of players is really low the % of doping is higher. But I do not believe that somebody like aaron smith or De klerk have been on drugs. Yeah, like i said before, doping IS A BIG PROBLEM AND IT IS A BIG PART OF HIGH LEVEL SPORTS, but saying that every single person in juiced up i think it's too much. I'm completely open to a debate, with no insults
100% agree.
Injuries also play a huge part in the abuse of AAS, recovery time is greatly reduced players sitting on the sidelines are often caught up in steroids to return to fitness. Its globally and almost in every sport.
Very interesting topic. With some very reflective thoughts...
I do think SA has a unhealthy obsession with schoolboy rugby that comes with heaps of pressure. They are training like professionals in many schools. My son was playing U14B and trained 1-2 hours for 4 times a week. And it was not even a top rugby school.
Yeah, really unhealthy school boy rugby..🏆🏆🏆🏆🇿🇦
Yes, steroid use is part of the springboks success,..... Why how? 😮
Well our club level is swamped with steroids and rugby players who want to break through to provincial and super rugby have to compete with steroid junkies and that means they have a higher physical foundation they have to lay for themselves, so yeh steroid abuse is helping us 😅.
I also think players in other countries know how to "mask" steroids better than our players can, and yes Diyanti was one of my favorite players to watch and i was distraught when i found out he doped, but not surprised.
Sbu Nkosi needs a shout out, very underrated no matter how arrogant and cocky he is.
Great post.
I’m sure a lot of schoolboys at the middling level quaff a bit of the old juice to gain traction in the gym culture in general, and rugby in particular.
But everyone knows that if you make it close to any representative level you WILL be tested and caught - and the case of Apiwe Dyantjie looms large in the rugby subculture in SA.
Really..so the Springboks were not tested during the world cup?
Good topic to discuss. And as I continue to research for my next book I am finding many thousands of athletes across all sports are doping. To say one is tested and they return a negative test and are therefore not doping is both naive and just silly to consider. Most who are cheating are aware of the micro dosing levels required to beat tests. One could say those who do test positive are the stupid ones. Also I am finding the actual testing protocols in many countries is lacking strict procedures and reassuring levels of competency. Doping is a HUGE issue in world sport, including rugby at ALL levels.
I only have experience of schoolboy rugby in Scotland, but here taking steroids is completely unheard of and its down to all the players going to prestiges private schools and having offers to do courses like medicine or engineering from the top universities itw, so if they dont really have much appetite to make it as a professional and just see rugby as a hobby. Just take Harry Patterson (Scotlands most recent debut) as an example, he went to Fettes which costs £50,000 a year and had offers from St Andrews and Edinburgh to do computing science.
That Grey College team of 2020 was really sus. The way they beat their New Zealand opponents was too unbelievable. And these NZ schools that visited SA weren't bad either. Some of them did well against other SA schools. It's notable that only Jan-Hendrik Wessels has graduated to higher honors. The rest didn't make it, which should say something.
Grey are always on top, so to single out one team is kind of weird, the new Zealand and British teams coming over to SA never really do well against the South African top 5 schools
@@craigsparks1442 Bro you can see the difference. the SA teams clearly look more developed than the NZ teams. keep in mind that these NZ teams have lots of Polynesians who are big people but still look small to the SA kids.
@@jonharvey55 they are not as big as South African kids. My son is u16 at a rugby school here in SA, he is a flanker only weighing in at 80kg and he looks more developed than most of your u18 players and I know for a fact he is not on Steroids. My son is one of the smaller players in his side, the other flanker is 93kg and the 8th man 94kg, all three of these kids are just naturally big kids and then still not as big as the tight five, much like the rest of South African school boys. South Africans are just big people, you should know this from watching the Springboks. Yes they have caught kids juicing but that's because South Africa is one of the only countries actually testing school boys. I don't understand why just because our boys are big and physically developed that they are always accused of being on steroids. If you were actually involved with youth rugby here you'd understand that these kids are just naturally big kids... It's really just that simple, our boys are being tested now already even before the season has started.
@@jonharvey55 We look more developed because we have higher rates of testosterone. You don't want to hear it but it's a fact. I've never chugged a protein shake let alone done any PEDs and my mates in the UK think I'm on roids.
@@craigsparks1442 on average Polynesians are much larger than South Africans mate, some of the SA school teams do look massive but it’s not the size it’s the way they are carrying it that is what suspect to people! Unless they test positive then it’s all hearsay at the end of the day! Some people are outliers and with SA having such a high population and high rugby playing population chances are there will be more outliers, add that to the fact they are all drawn to the same 2-3 schools to chase their dreams it’s not surprising the success some of these schools have had!
i saw the title and knew it was a kiwi or an aussie 😆
Sounds like anything that has to do with all blacks being the greatest you see nothing but bok jealousy
It's alright the world has always known S.A rugby was on the juice
While on the juice S.A has
(4) S.R titles in 2 decades
(4) Rugby championship titles 2 decades
(2) freedom cup titles from 16 attempts
They are (25)w(24)L against NZ In S.A
(10)w(30)L in NZ
All the juice and still get made to look average
It's OK would rather be the greatest nation to ever play the sport than be world Champs for 4 years😂
At 3:13 the play shown is Zukisane Tom he is siya kolisi's cousin and a great player he was at the boarding establishment at glenwood high school with me last year now he plays for racing 92 u20s
As soon as they made rugby a money sport and a gambling sport ….. The same with cricket. You need also to check Ireland. Something looks dodgy there.
South Africa has more registered rugby players and that means they more likely to be cought. Most players are on performance enhancement, from all nations.
Dude i think a lot of the person commenting are from SA because all of them are taking their side saying they are the only one 's testing ignoring the fact that other nations are too . ALL of europe testing is on point , and theres a reason both ireland and france lost despite playing a better rugby.Seriously just look at the france/SA match and points why France lost . Sure they did mistakes but SA did just as much if not more.The ref seemed really weird and as an english man i knew we were cooked but France ? They were so good man , i still don't get how they lost by the same margin we did . Kind of disgusted of rugby after this WC tbh.
Jantjes one of your favourite players?
Why??
Genuine question.
The level of talent is crazy here in SA bruh, rugby is the only sport taken seriously in almost all schools that have sports. So its only natural some players will juice just so they can be able to get into the A team or 1st team.
Competitive 🔥
@@uggy yeah it's very competitive, it's like you're gonna be left behind by your peers unless you juice. Hell even in just Athletics, these boys are naturally fast, running 10.2seconds at 100m at just age 17/18💀it's nuts here with sports.
Dude i think a lot of the person commenting are from SA because all of them are taking their side saying they are the only one 's testing ignoring the fact that other nations are too . ALL of europe testing is on point , and theres a reason both ireland and france lost despite playing a better rugby.Seriously just look at the france/SA match and points why France lost . Sure they did mistakes but SA did just as much if not more.The ref seemed really weird and as an english man i knew we were cooked but France ? They were so good man , i still don't get how they lost by the same margin we did . Kind of disgusted of rugby after this WC tbh. France still seem to me like they played better rugby with better fundamentals than SA .Just look at how SA struggled vs england compared to how france stomped england by pure game knowledge . As if SA were meant to win anyway.
Fair video in terms of steriod used in Rugby in SA. Unfortunately I don't think it's just a rugby problem in SA, I believe it to be a problem for all young men especially having to compare themselves to everyone else in social media and the levels of perfection that I pushed.
Every second video that pops up on your social media stream is how to get bigger how to be leaner how to look like a Greek god, quick and easy, instant gratification. I think if you compare any mainstream Sport across the world in any country where is a professional career to be had you will find plenty of cases of young athletes and steroid use.
I would be very interested to see what the stats are like for American football in America for example?
Have you ever heard of magnetic sports, golf, nfl, and basketball they all use magnets to control the game. It’s all fixed.
Much love!
I just wanted to say. Leading up to the wc, you asked who was the most important player for each country. I said Where is Handre Pollard and you said, I just don't think he will play a big role... anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
Also. I think most rugby players are juicing, just not getting caught. Sa is probably just the worst at it.
Unsure what you're going for here Uggy. Stories I've heard re steroid use in oz nrl development programs, and the growth of ped use I've witnessed in nz gyms...sure, SA might have a problem, but they're far from alone
Well said - some people like to make South Africa their favourite kicking dog especially when their country finishes second to or behind it. It burns a ring in their jocks for some reason.
@@bunnychowmuncher I agree. One thing is that there does seem to be a bit of victim mentality everywhere, including SA. I certainly wasn't happy with the rwc final, but couldn't fault the Boks for that
The problem they have is keeping the trophies safe
I've been saying this for years. The roid rage they exhibit on the field is a give away.
"a steroid culture" Clenbuterol 😂😂😂
Every country uses Roids in every sport. If Sa was the only one using roids trust me there would be a difference
I started high school in a public school and matriculated from a private school, and using PEDs was quite common in latter. And it was the same in the other local private schools. Most of them played 1st team but will probably never go pro
They just built different
South African rugby players are the most drug tested players on earth
This is true
Doesn’t mean anything. A lot of PEDs (HGH, insulin, test) are either not detectable or easy to beat the test.
All it means is they showed negative to the listed drugs on the list. There are plenty more drugs/steroids that aren’t listed and can be used
The testing is not serious in any nation because a) authorities don't see a relationship between PED use and results and b) the minute they start testing seriously it will drive a truck through the national sides. Steroids and SARMS are so endemic in the culture a lot of it is for aesthetics as much as performance. It's the youngsters I really worry about...
Nate Diaz “All you Mofos on steroids”
I remember seeing Andie Leslie’s all black team in SA in 1976.
Somehow those chaps aren’t as small as they used to be. SA may be leading the pack, but it is a rugby problem rather than a SA problem.
South African school boys are generally very large, yes there is a doping issue and SA rugby are busy sorting it out, but in general even without doping South African school boys are generally very big
We live in a sporting era were you wil never be sure, the testing in South Africa isn’t good, if you go read the guidelines for the testing, the school principal must give permission for testing to be done and establish when it should be done, do to the fact that until the age of 18 it is illegal do test kids without the consent of parents also, this makes it almost impossible to catch players. The testing in it self is already lacking, anybody can google how to pass a PED test and receive all the information they need to do it successfully. Honestly in my opinion work hard and stay natural till age of 21 and then do one cycle. Then maintain it for the rest of your live. Doing one cycle wil give you the potential to grow more muscle then you would naturally, because of the nucleus’s created. Honestly sport isn’t fair at all, and if organisations really cared about stopping PED use in sport they would spend billions on developing a 100% bulletproof test than if you used PED’s once you will always test positive, this isn’t impossible seeing all the sport together generate 500+ billion dollars annually. It just a matter of the top people of these organisations (even the olympics) doesn’t care as long as they make money.
Yo uggy, love your work but you did my lad , Chilli Boy dirty. Had the coolest name in Super rugby. But eyes were probably rolling around in Vitamin S.
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Another point - 10% admitting to taking an illegal substance. Illegal substance could be a large number of things and since the article is blurred you cant see what this means. 10% could be smoking weed for example. Secondly, admitting to taking it could also mean a once off experiment so I dont think this is enough to say there is a steroid culture. What you also fail to account for is that Rugby is huge in SA and people start earlier and boys will be hitting the weights from an early age whilst the Aussies enjoy their soy lattes. Genetics also play a big part - descendants from the Dutch (tallest people in the world according to some averages) coupled with eating tons of meat. Regarding the comment on SA rugby and finances - there is a reason they all leave. If you did some research you would see SARU has been on the brink a few times, Stormers/WP had to sell their ground to stay liquid, and so on ..
You know that south Africa also has a testing department so why hasn't anyone got tested BCS none of them are on drugs man
You say 10 pct of schoolboys taking a form of legal substance but the article says” illegal” ? Which is it
I played rugby league in Queensland and we had an under 16's QLD rep on our school rugby team
I can't remember why he had roid use rumors, but I'm guessing he got caught out testing positive when trying to represent the state 🤔 ..i certainly believed those rumors anyway given the conditioning he was in.
In a country like South Africa with poverty and corruption, I'd bet anything they bend the rules and turn a blind eye where necessary.
Look at Duhan Van der merwe at age 16-17, he was bigger than he is now.
Uggy wtf bro 🇿🇦
In a way… I’m trying to change the narrative from the misleading headlines you see on my side of the world (in a good way)
@@uggyit didn't work bro make a longer video and go country to country preferbly sport to sportt
Underlining SA only...unsub immediately.
@@uggy You claim to try change the narrative instead make no proper comparative analysis. Poor very poor. A person who doesn't even follow rugby told me this article makes SA look bad. Not objective at all !
You forgot Piers Spies....most wanted on the hit list...2007 Rwc
you should see the oaks in high school rugby
i was in brazil in 06 lots of guys r on horse roids ovr ther i was asking my trainer about it and he randomly told me abot a saffa guy tht he knw in brazil [rgby playr] who said the whole of sa rgby was riddled with roids, ys vry antecdotal but strange how tht was the 1st time i herd of it
Even high school rugby has a steroid culture
Illegal substance = also weed so cut 9% of the 10% from that study
I was playing in France lower leagues 30 years ago and it was rife. If you look at the English team versus other teams back in the 80’s, their forwards were some of the biggest around (naturally), now their pack is one of the smallest out there. The testing regime in England is brutal and it shows in their lack of physicality. The All Black team in 2007 was unnaturally muscular and then new tests were introduced into NZ and now look at their forwards, all willowy and much much smaller than most top tier teams. I know South African rugby very well and doing juice there just isn’t frowned upon hence its acceptability.
wow i must be naive, i just thought there was a change in expert opinion on how muscular players should be. there was some pushback against the level of muscularity, with some airing the view that the high injury rate was being caused by players having more muscle to fat. & i remember one retired player proudly showing off that he'd lost some muscle & was therefore able to turn his head
Shame .we get tested unanounced after matches way back in 1993 by S A rugby ..I see the Enland props tends to disapear for a few months and then starts playing again ..I wonder what hapen meanwile ...Just a thought ..
The reason is because we actually do testing. No other country tests as much as we do, so this is a disingenuous take at best.
Yeah def is around at school boy level. Was 20 years ago. Must be still if not a lot more today.
RIP Union.
Interesting and sad to hear. Although not surprising
South Africa rugby is not affiliated with WADA. Wonder why that is.
Buddy do you have any idea how many rugby players we have has in South Africa? And what you can come up with a list of twenty and you call this a culture of steroid abuse. Come now, that's a bit disingenuous isn't it? There's no doubt that steroid use is abundant, here and everywhere else, but a culture?
Im glad you pointed out that its a schoolboy issue Uggy. There is a huge misconception. My opinion is that South African players export particularly so well to Europe that due to the sheer economics of being a third world country (Trust me my family immigrated when I was 15, things are tough) making it at any professional level that sees monetary gain players will attempt it.
Unless we have every one of the top Unions tell us their testing regimes we will never know 100% if the problem is endemic in South African rugby only or if no one else tests as often. We have one of the highest numbers of contracted professional rugby players in the world, this alone makes the possibility of a few bad eggs higher.
Anyway, nice video Uggy as a Saffa myself its not a fun topic to encounter but one that is open secret at schoolboy level. I agree that it doesnt account for our success with internationals players, if they were mass doping that would have been caught years ago
Thanks brother! Sensitive issue, in a way… I’m trying to change the false narrative that’s pushed on the other side of the world.
@uggy You didn't at all, so they all do it at school (by the way, they have lasting effects so it's already an advantage) But then they leave school and stop? Yeah right.
Need to factor in that steroids don’t automatically mean first XV players! I met a young Saffa that was absolutely gigantic and admitted to being in gear to maintain his size and strength and fitness all together! But he was in the 3rd or 4th string team! He was basically useless! Big for nothing! He would be good for scaring some younger kids before the game but he wasn’t at the level to compete with the SA boys at the top level! Maybe he thought the roids would prove the difference but it didn’t! Can’t inject game sense and skills!
Eventually! I thought I was the ONLY one who brought this up.... My son played pro rugby.... EVERYONE uses steroids.... The medical team are experts at masking the steroids.....
Look hard enough for what you want to find on any team and eventually you will find it. . . .