The Lions SHUT Their Super Bowl Window

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  • čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
  • Joe gives his thoughts on Goff's new contract

Komentáře • 85

  • @Adri_Unsung
    @Adri_Unsung Před 20 dny +13

    Me when I’m fucking stupid and say dumb shit for attention and engagement

  • @migueltorcuator2152
    @migueltorcuator2152 Před 20 dny +9

    Can't wait to come back to this video when they win it all.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      If they win in 2025/2026 I’ll be shocked. That’s when he’s getting paid 53mil a year. Hasn’t kicked in this year, and goes down after 2026.

    • @gabe2349
      @gabe2349 Před 20 dny +2

      @@GarbageTimeSports cap hit for the 2025-2026 season is actually only 18 mil, per Matt Broder. That’s why I was trying to remind you of the wizardry with signing bonus in the other comments. The 53 is only an average, but the can spread 73 of that out over several years, including dead years.

  • @CapnDan57
    @CapnDan57 Před 20 dny +9

    Sorry, your analysis is Deeply Flawed. The brilliance of this deal shows the wisdom of Brad Holmes and Mike Disner. The Lions still have a lot of Cap space left this and the out years. The same cannot be said of DAL, MIA, or SF. Also, while a great QB might be worth more, it's Teams that win games. It'll be fun to check out your channel down the road to watch your "Eat my own words" video. You must still be suffering from The Game last year! Go Blue! Go Lions!

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      I would love for the lions to win the Super Bowl! The story would be amazing! I think they are going to stay good. Just won’t reach the top of the mountain. I’ll happily eat my words if they win the SB while his cap number is in the 50’s (only 32 this year, and under 40 the last couple years)

    • @iels7346
      @iels7346 Před 20 dny

      Lions had a great year for the first time in 30 year and immediately think they're superbowl bound. Nah, this team almost got smoked by the lousy Bears twice. They'll lose in the first or second round.

  • @robertkurtz6691
    @robertkurtz6691 Před 21 dnem +6

    What??? Brad holmes is the best drafting gm in the league. U win by paying your core and replenshing talent with rookie deals . What a terrible take. Deals get restructured all the time the cap is gonna rise more than it ever has. This gonna be a middle tier deal when it actually kicks in and other than mahommes goff has the most playoff games played and won than every other qb on the top 10 money list. Gibbs, laporta hu5ch will all be under contract till this deal ends, seeing as its only a 3 year guarantee with a team option at the end. No this didnt hirt detroit in the slightest

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      Two ways to win, have an elite QB or Have an elite roster. (KC, SF) If you pay your non-elite QB too much money, it is impossible to have an elite roster. Goff at 35mil a year? PERFECT. Goff at 53mil a year? Not good enough to carry.
      The lions are a perfect roster. This might tip it in the wrong direction. My take. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny +2

      @@GarbageTimeSports Goff at 35 a year isn't happening. That's like saying I want a new car but I'm only willing to spend 10 thousand dollars. It's stupid.

  • @gabe2349
    @gabe2349 Před 21 dnem +5

    I think you missed a couple of things here.
    For starters, you just gotta pay the guy based on the market, and by getting his contract done early, the Lions have set the money. In year three, we might have people talking about how this contract is an absolute steal. We’ll have to see how much Tua, Dak, Love, and Lawrence end up getting. If the Lions didn’t pay him, someone else would have.
    Secondly, the way the contract is structured means that the cap hits will be pretty well distributed. Over 70 million of it is a signing bonus, which means it can be added in any amount spread across those four years to the cap. The team has plenty of flexibility in how they take those cap hits. The final year is also an option year, so they’re not even fully locked in to those four years.
    Finally, when we look at the market, we should also look at total contract value. In average cap hit, Goff is second right now, but in total contract value, he’s eighth, and that’s without the guys I mentioned above getting their contracts.
    Saying the window is closed, especially for this reason, is pretty silly.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      But all of that doesn’t dispute the fact that there has NEVER been a none elite QB that ate up that much to win the Super Bowl.
      Yes, someone else would have payed him, and let them make the mistake. I don’t understand why the NFL GMs can’t make a stand against these Good but not Great QBs. $35 mil a year, take it or leave it.
      The lions will still be good! But the chance to win it all is closed after this contact kicks in.
      The Cowboys with Dak is an excellent example of this.
      If Tua gets paid like this, that would be a mistake. If Lawrence gets paid like this, that’s a mistake (at the moment)
      Too early to tell on Love, give it another year.
      And I would say the cap hit is what matters in a cap sport. Not the total value. How much does it hit the team.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      I know it’s a crazy theory, but I would just keep the QB carousel going until I find an elite one or get a great value. 35 to 40 mil a year for Goff feels about right.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      Thanks for the Reply! Really appreciate the interest!

    • @gabe2349
      @gabe2349 Před 21 dnem +2

      @@GarbageTimeSports the idea that a non-elite QB with a big contact hasn’t won a SB is kind of silly because of who has actually won SBs in the revenue sharing, modern cap era.
      Since revenue sharing started in 2011, 7 of those SBs have been won by only two QBs. Aside from those, only a couple of non-elite QBs have even won, regardless of salary. It depends on how you judge them, but all of them aside from Nick Foles were arguably elite when they won their SBs.
      You’re saying that as if it’s something that’s been etched in NFL history, but the modern salary cap hasn’t actually been around that long. On top of that, the QB situation now is vastly different than it was in the 2010s.
      That’s not even really considering whether Goff is elite. If you yourself have him in the top 10, then he probably is.
      The reason NFL GMs aren’t “making a stand” is because the talent drop off at the QB position is so insanely high right now. There are probably ten teams in the league that would love to have a guy like Goff as their starter. This era isn’t like other eras. The QB carousel has driven half the teams in the league back into obscurity. How’s it working out for the Patriots, Broncos, Steelers, Bears, Seahawks, Raiders, Saints, Giants, and Browns?
      Hell, the Lions rode that ride for thirty years with nothing to show for it. The QB carousel is legitimately one of the worst ideas in modern NFL history.
      Finally, saying Goff only deserves 35 million is just a horrible take all around. Frankly, it makes you lose a little credibility. Daniel Jones is getting paid forty. That’s simply not where the market is. You might be able to say that he’s overpaid, fine, but 35 million?
      Saying the window is closed is just clickbait nonsense you want to drive up engagement.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      @@gabe2349 Saying your franchise should pay a guy more because a crappy franchise makes a stupid business decision (Daniel jones) (NYG) is not how a franchise should run.
      Not saying the lions are going to be horrible, because they wont be. Solid QB, Good roster wins you 10-11. Very Dallas Cowboys. But winning the ultimate prize? I dont think its possible with that set up. Cant pay GOOD players GREAT player money

  • @roderickburrell2060
    @roderickburrell2060 Před 17 dny +1

    Tua, Dak, ans Cousins have never been to the SuperBowl or the Conference Championship. Jared Goff has with 2 different teams.
    They literally said the same thing about the Rams when Goff was made the highest paid qb in the league in 2019. The Lions took on that contract and Goff and went from 3-13 to 12-5 and had their best season in the Super Bowl era.
    I don't know if Goff is "an elite" quarterback, but he has elite results whichever team he goes to.

  • @mikeanderson3735
    @mikeanderson3735 Před 20 dny +4

    He can't overcome a bad roster? The Lions roster was horrible when Goff got there. The defense went from historically bad in year one to extremely bad in year two and last year was just bad. Look how far the Lions have come in three years. Then you have guys like Herbert who most consider elite and haven't done much of anything in the same time period with much more established teams.
    Who was Ben Johnson before Goff? He was a nobody and wouldn't be the big name he is now without Goff.
    Who was established on the Lions before Goff got there? What big time free agents have they signed to help Goff? Goff has brought this offense together with his ability. Just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't of of the best QB's in the league.
    Put Goff as your 10th QB in the league. Take all the names away and just put up stats and team success. Rank the QB's on what actually matters and your list would crumble. People care to much about the ceiling of a player even though they are never going to reach it.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Chargers are established? 😂
      Goff is a good QB. When everything is right around him, he will when you a lot of games. Good OLine, Good weapons, good coaching. My argument is when he is eating up that much cap space, he won’t have everything right around him anymore.
      When you pay GOOD players GREAT money, you close your Super Bowl window. They will still be good in the 2 years he eats a lot of cap, still very solid, 10-11 wins. But will not win the Super Bowl. That’s all I’m saying. Ask the cowboys. I like Goff more than Dak, but can’t deny they are in the same tier.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Lions have a great offensive roster btw.

    • @mikeanderson3735
      @mikeanderson3735 Před 18 dny +1

      @@GarbageTimeSports They had established players on the roster. That is the point I'm making. Herbert had some things around him in place. Goff went to a team with no weapons, no defense and some good pieces on the offensive line.

    • @mikeanderson3735
      @mikeanderson3735 Před 18 dny

      @@GarbageTimeSports Have is the right word. They didn't when he took over. The went full rebuild his first year.

  • @chrischilds368
    @chrischilds368 Před 20 dny +2

    Rams made the same mistake. History will repeat itself with this situation.

  • @brianwelsh2810
    @brianwelsh2810 Před 17 dny +1

    Spitting truth! Nobody wants to hear it everybody's hammered on Honolulu blue Kool-Aid, 212 million for a guy who's led them to a 500 record.
    Obviously the team is dramatically better but is Jared Goff dramatically better. The Lions aren't the hunters this year they're The hunted. You've got a one-trick pony at quarterback defenses won't be giving him the middle of the field and if you can't go deep or wide your kind of out of options. Sadly this is going to be a tough year the division is better the schedules tougher and between Goffs limitations and Campbell's insistence on going for it continuously instead of making the smart decision I don't hold out much hope.

  • @Mr.YesSuh
    @Mr.YesSuh Před 19 dny +1

    I knew this would be stupid lol bros this is a time stamp

  • @danielpudvay1486
    @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny +2

    You think Goff was going to sign for $35 million? Are you insane? That would be paid less than nearly every other non rookie contract starting QB. That's just not happening. Furthermore, his salary in 2025 is only 18million. It's not until 2026/27 that this might become a problem but the salary cap is project to be around 290/300+ million then. As a percentage of cap, his salary is will be within what is reasonable for a top 10 QB in the league. Honestly, this is just lazy analysis on your part.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Goff should make all the money he can. The franchise shouldn’t have paid him.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      And yes, this is when it kicks in. They will be fine untill the

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny +1

      @@GarbageTimeSports Okay, if they didn't pay him, what is the alternative? What free agent would they sign that wouldn't cost as much? First, good QBs rarely end up on free agency. Second when they do, they get more than this. If the franchise didn't pay Goff, they would be the same old lions. Seriously, this is really poor armchair GM'ing because you can just say this is horrible but you don't have a clue of an alternative. Your idea is the Lions should offer less than market rate and Goff will take it, because why exactly?

  • @BenCarmichael0
    @BenCarmichael0 Před 20 dny +3

    This title is dumb if you know football

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Nah I believe it! 😂 thanks for the comment Ben!

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      You don’t get “normal” content here. 😂

    • @BenCarmichael0
      @BenCarmichael0 Před 20 dny

      @@GarbageTimeSports Goffstown contract might have put an expiration date but not even close to closed

    • @BenCarmichael0
      @BenCarmichael0 Před 20 dny

      @@GarbageTimeSports you showed that you don't know nfl football by this take

  • @user-hl8bd8sy4o
    @user-hl8bd8sy4o Před 20 dny +1

    I'm curious. Can someone tell me what teams were getting in a bidding war for him and willing to pay 212. It won't be a northern outdoor team. The Raiders? Who"s the other team? This could have easily played out like Garoppolo did with the 9ers. Jimmy (surrounded by talent) took them to a SB and a conference championship then was let go. And upon finding out no other team would pay him he resigned with SF for 7 million. 21 million less than the year before.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Same with Dak and Tua.

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny

      FFS, more bad takes.
      No teams were trying to sign him BECAUSE HE WASNT A FREE AGENT.

    • @brianwelsh2810
      @brianwelsh2810 Před 17 dny

      This is going to get you some hate people hate honest analysis they live on hopium

  • @Brent6437
    @Brent6437 Před 17 dny

    I hear ya. You’re trying to get Negative Attention. We are only getting started. In 2 years 10 or so QBs will be getting north of 60 mil. Brad Holmes is playing chess with the League. He’s making it so other teams are doing exactly what you are saying now

  • @fredricclack7137
    @fredricclack7137 Před 17 dny

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  • @fredricclack7137
    @fredricclack7137 Před 17 dny

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  • @softjones3128
    @softjones3128 Před 20 dny +1

    You win, you got a click.. but it's a dumb take. Peace

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Thanks for stopping by! Lions won’t win a Super Bowl in the couple years he’s making 53+mil against the cap. It’s really not that outlandish. 😂

  • @user-hl8bd8sy4o
    @user-hl8bd8sy4o Před 20 dny +1

    He's overpaid. He is so fortunate to have the best supporting cast in football and an OC that camo's his weaknesses. And you're right, he's good not great. You'd be a complete idiot if you even thought for one second that "maybe" he could go to Houston and do what Stroud did last year. That was great. His fanboys love to talk about his yards, TDs, completion% and Int% over the last 2 years. Well as for yards and TDs it's simply because he's about the only QB to not miss a game and has more attempts. The comp/int% is because he has thrown the shortest passes out of any starting QB in the league over the last 5 years. So of course his %s are good. When it comes to average throwing distance he was right there with Tommy Devito and Tyson Bagent last year. And as far as football IQ goes I will say this. That last year against Chicago on 4th and 2 from own side of field I watched him hand off to Gibbs with 10 bears in the box, for a 3 yard loss. You would have to be completely checked out to not see that pre snap and get out of it. Or maybe, all those fans in LA that said he wasn't allowed to audible were right. Everyone knows how he blew up in LA after signing a massive extension. Brad Holmes may be a draft guru, but guaranteeing Goff 170 was daf.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      He’s not over payed on his current contract, but the extension is too much haha

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny

      Shouldn’t that tell you something? You admit he’s not overpaid now, but when he signed the contract that pays him now, people like you were claiming it was excessive and he wasn’t worth it. 3 years from, his contract will be considered cheap. But you think you should sign him to a contract less than every other non-rookie contract starter in the NFL. Unbelievably stupid.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      @@danielpudvay1486 Haha thanks! His cap hit this year is just short of 28Mil. and 32 mil next year, both fair. A moderate bump to 35 or 37 mil would have been fine. Not jumping up to 53mil a year. (Cap Hit 69 mil in 2026 at the moment) I think the lions will stay good. Super bowl window is closed when it kicks in two years from now.
      Thanks for the comment! Love talking sports!

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny

      @@GarbageTimeSports Again, this is the same crap people said when he signed this contract. And your brilliant idea is to sign him for far below market value of a poor starting QB in this league. Look at the cap hits of other QB's in 2026 and tell me his hit is out of line when compared to any QB not still on their rookie contract. Sure, he's the 2nd highest now, but several QB's will pass Goff's contract later this year when they sign. By the time he actually gets to his contract, he'll be in the 6-10 range, which is about what you have him rated as a QB. Furthermore, the salaries are manipulated every year by every good team to make the cap work. Unless the cap stops growing, (that's not happening anytime soon), Goff's contract will be only above average for a NFL starter 3 seasons from now.

  • @JMOTTV
    @JMOTTV Před 19 dny +2

    you have no idea what your talking about, stick to soccer

  • @silentbb8679
    @silentbb8679 Před 20 dny

    dude, stop shaving the stash. such a bad amish look and i think its allowing too much hot air to flow up your nostrils

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Hahaha i cant grow a stash. Thanks for the comment!

    • @silentbb8679
      @silentbb8679 Před 17 dny +1

      @@GarbageTimeSports weird, usually its the other way around. still think ur wrong tho lol

  • @jasonmallory5938
    @jasonmallory5938 Před 20 dny

    🤣

  • @tacktiician4978
    @tacktiician4978 Před 20 dny

    What a terrible take 😂

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      Yup. I’m stupid for thinking Goff shouldn’t make more than Mahomes. 😂

    • @tacktiician4978
      @tacktiician4978 Před 20 dny

      @GarbageTimeSports Mahomes took a pay cut for the team. Also isnt a contract year. Of course Mahomes should make more. Doesnt mean Goff signing was wrong.. and to say Goff hasnt been a GREAT QB is wild. Hes been playing at an elite level. Best Red Zone QB in the NFL....

  • @GarbageTimeSports
    @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

    I would be so happy to take the L on this. The lions winning the SB would be amazing and I would be so happy for that city and the fanbase. But all I have to do to be right about this is not have the lions win the superbowl in a couple seasons where Goff's cap hit is outrageous? Ill take that bet all day long. They can win it this season and I would still be right. Haha

  • @migueltorcuator2152
    @migueltorcuator2152 Před 20 dny +1

    Garbage Take

  • @Jlawson310
    @Jlawson310 Před 21 dnem +2

    Jared Goff is Andy Dalton. There's a reason the Rams ran him off.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 21 dnem

      He’s better than Dalton, but he is not top tier.

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny

      @@GarbageTimeSports What is top tier? Is he Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady? No, but no one else is in this league either. He's a top 5-10 QB in the league. That means he's going to get a contract worth about 50 mill a year now.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      @@danielpudvay1486 he’s not elite or great. He’s towards the top of the “Good” tier. Around 10 feels right.

    • @GarbageTimeSports
      @GarbageTimeSports  Před 20 dny

      @@danielpudvay1486 not worth it in my opinion.

    • @danielpudvay1486
      @danielpudvay1486 Před 20 dny +1

      @@GarbageTimeSports Who exactly is elite in your mind?

  • @lionking7599
    @lionking7599 Před 20 dny +1

    Goff is a adverage QB everyone knows it,Brass has surrounded him with superbowl talented players ,the hope is by improving the defense we can win the NFC,after all we made NFC Championship game with one of the worst secondary in the NFL,problem is Jared Goff hasn't improved,he has lost his last 7 games vs SF and 2 straight with Detroit,another huge problem is no adverage QB like him who lost a superbowl in over 50 years has ever returned only 5 have and all 5 are in Canton.Lion brass knew these facts but thinks Goff can beat SF and lead us to a superbowl IT AINT HAPPNNING its sad how we as superbowl starved to put our hopes in a losing type QB just shows how desperate we are

    • @drayiii980
      @drayiii980 Před 20 dny

      “Jared Goff hasn’t improved.” So uh, are you actually dumb?

    • @jaybrick8973
      @jaybrick8973 Před 19 dny

      A average qb that was in the Superbowl with the rams an nearly took Detroit there if not for our defense an he has a winning record against mahommes how is he just average

  • @edwardjr9232
    @edwardjr9232 Před 20 dny +2

    Your analysis is true to the channel name 🫡💯
    Keep up the good work 🎉🎉🎉