How Do You Design an Airfield? An Airport Planner Explains | WSJ Booked
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- Available space, weather and air traffic volume are key factors that go into airfield design. Robert Hoxie, who helped redesign Chicago O’Hare’s airfield, explains how runways are mapped out. Photo Illustration: Adele Morgan/The Wall Street Journal
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That means that it should not be hopelessly filled with errors.
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Would have loved to see discussions of taxiway layouts and terminal design!
I lived in Chicago for 3 years as a kid. For a 12 year old who loved airplanes it was heaven on earth :) When it got dark you could literally see lights of 5-6 planes on the approach path pretty much all the time. Fun times.
thank you.
this was a great video, i was really struggling to build my own airfield but now i can build my own airfield in my backyard.
Build it for me
This is a great companion piece to Wired's Terminal design piece. They both go into the nuances of airport traffic management rather neatly.
It's pretty cool coming to O'Hare on the tollway and seeing 3 planes landing at the same time. Haven't seen 4 yet.
UFO year 2006 over O’Hare airport
As the captain for a major airline ORD is pretty high on my list of LEAST favorite airports to fly into. Depending upon your landing runway you could easily spend half an hour just getting to your gate.
As a pax I had a 30 min but it seemed it was detouring around construction. Do you think they are still optimizing taxi routes?
What's at the top of your list?
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Hong Kong
@@savagecub how’s it like being a pilot? I’m seriously considering on quitting my job as an accountant and enrolling in flight school but flight school costs upwards of $89K! How’d you start?
@@savagecub Hong Kong is pretty straight forward. ORD and JFK are the most chaotic airports I’ve operated into.
I watched it. Understood most of it. Now I am ready to plan runways. Who needs one?
I love O'Hare. Glad to see the runway project wrapping up. Now, about expanding those terminals. Good to see that project rolling forward with T5 as a start.
This video is super helpful i just moved into a new apartment and planning on putting an airfield in the parking lot and resident courtyard
This is very interesting. I didn't know that O'Hare had a triangle configuration before the major update. My dad is an engineer for runways and taxiways, I wonder if he worked on any of this...
You don’t need to wonder. Just call your dad.
He is so articulate and well-spoken
If I remembered correctly O’Hare used to have Runways 14 L and 32 R and 14 R and 32 L. Those might’ve been the really long runways. But man they made a ton of changes
14R/32L was O'Hare's longest runway back in the 60s. The flight path for planes landing on 32L ran right over the house I grew up in in Cicero and we would sit on the back porch and watch one plane after another fly over when I was a kid.
I took an Airport Design class in college... Fascinating how they determine everything.
I've timed it. Takes longer to taxi from the gate and takeoff from Ohare than it does to fly from Chicago to Indianapolis.
Same for landing at O’Hare lol
Nothing like a 15 hour flight from tokyo to ORD and then waiting an hour to taxi lol
Not enough available gates
Similar the flights to Milwaukee, Minneapolis, South Bend etc are shorter than the runway time! 😅
Hey Wall Street Journal! Overall, this is a great video. However, I was a little bit let down with the production around 6:40. For whatever reason, you guys chose shots of Robert Hoxie’s hands blocking the airport diagram as he is explaining. This was very frustrating for viewers trying to understand the context being communicated.
The runways he is pointing to are 28R, 27L and 22R.
It looks like they somewhat realized that mistake, by then proceeding to showing his same exact movements but from the top camera, at 6:50
skill issue bro
For all us who fly into … install some PAPIs on the north runway!
You learn something new everyday.
Love the new runway layouts, you could land 3 at one time and 3 taking off all at the same time. Not sure why they need 8 runways but what do I know, I'm just an aviation nut job and I love it.
This is so cool
Great video giving insight of airfield design.
ORD finally looked at ATL and DFW and how efficiently they can land and depart planes at the same time with their parallel runways.
I did not know that changing the direction of the runways was an opinion on the modernization of a major airport. Has it ever happened? I would like to know where? Thanks.
Every major airport has evaluated this over the years to improve traffic flow and operations. It is modernizing to our existing and future conditions. JFK, LAX, SFO, La Guardia are name a few that have runways added or removed.
Nice video.
Wish this was longer it's interesting 🤔
Very informative video. Thank you.
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I've seen as many as 4 planes land at once in O'Hare. Very busy airport
Very interesting
Some information I did not know I wanted to know
Cool!
Wow 👏 love airports. Shutout to all those making our systems work
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I think Heathrow airport (London, UK) should build a 3rd runway. The 2 current runways are operating at or near full capacity and is unable to support the future growth of air travel.
Where again is heathrow airport? is it in gatwick?
They are planning to build a third Runway, they bought out the property nearby to destroy to make space but its not going to be done anytime soon though because of Covid
@@jerrynadler2883 did you just ask if an airport is within a different airport?
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@@jerrynadler2883 forgive me, sometimes people are genuinely stupid and ask questions like that.
Funny, I just watched RealEngineering's video on this topic from 2 years ago last night
Loved the confidence he had even with his lisp, keep up the good work brotha
ORD is a beast.
i love O'Hare airport
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Now that the field is updated how bout getting the terminals done at ORD? Long overdue.
They are working on it.
A design for Terminal 2 to be rebuilt into an Int'l hub has been selected. I'm sure it'll take a couple decades w/ politics and working at an active airport.
I feel like O'Hare has been under construction my entire life lol but at least any other airport I go to is a breeze
id watch a video discussing airport bathrooms if they did one...
Terminals should have a circular daisy style design.
Let’s add more east west runways and use a 8k foot runway ignoring the other 6 runways when n/s winds over 30kts hit for 2600 daily flights because x wind outside of performance limits.
interesting
It’s a great airport, I liked it
Reinventing the wheel is what they did here, making it square. When I was based in ORD years ago, they had diagonal runways that made taxi times short and efficiency high. Now with only parallels, half a day seems to be spent taxing back and forth the length of a runway only to have to wait fro several arrivals and departures before you can cross a runway. To get around that place now is awful. Fortunately we pilots are paid by the minute so it’s the passengers that are really paying the price.
Fine video, but at 6:50 you cut a view of the runway layout where you can't see what the guy is pointing to. I feel like this was done just to have more cuts in a video. The insanely short cut times on CZcams are already annoying enough, but it results in being unable to understand what the speaker is demonstrating, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
Are residential concerns regarding noise a favor? You guys should be building airports in Australia. We only have 2 airports nationally with parallel runways which is a complete joke.
I'm about 10km directly out one of the arrival runways - you can hear it but can block it out. Homes closer have been getting retrofitted with sound proofing. They try to rotate which runway is used each night to create some quiet.
But yeah it's tough when there's so much residential nearby.
Explanation for timestamp 4:46 is timestamp 4:57.
4:54 hold up, that United plane is painted in "Battleship grey", which hasn't been used in more than 15 years.
allow me to introduce you the concept of "stock footage"
7:05 looks like Detroit. So yes stock footage
I wish the 7500 foot runways were lengthened to 9100 feet.
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Science!
question is how do you design an aircraft that carries more load and takes off in a short runway
You can do it, but then it has way more drag thus flies slower and burns more fuel. Not very economical.
I've always wondered why cities like New York and London adopted multiple airport strategies while a city like Los Angeles insists on using just one. And yes I'm ignoring Burbank & Orange county as well as many other out lying smaller airports because they aren't priced the same as LAX. So people commute from all those areas to save a buck resulting major congestion in the main loop of the terminal areas. Let them fly out of their own airports for the same price and they'd use them more often.
Does LA have earthquake concerns? Is LAX located at the safest possible location due to earthquakes?
@@josephj6521 if they did that, the airport would be located in Arizona
You’re forgetting g ONT as well.
Atlanta has one and is the world’s busiest
How do you do it? Dont make it look like any of ORDs variations. ORD sucks to operate in and out of.
spyros panopoulos and what is "anadiaplasis"
Took o’hare that long to figure out the ideal orientations?
Note to self: dont interview someone sitting on a rolling chair
0:05 strange, off-putting choice to cut the speaker off after a delay
“Here we handle the biggest planes”
*shows 737*
the A380 is watching
Runways, runways, runways. Any discussion of passengers and their movement and comfort at the disaster that is O'Hare?
Before watching this video; let me say that I’ve been ORD based for over 30 years. When I started my airline career ORD had 2 E-W, 2 NE-SW & 2 NW-SE runways. And a taxiway flow that worked nicely (Once you learned it.). Flash forward to today…6 E-W & 2 NE-SW runways. And now so many taxiways (🤦🏻♂️) that there is no longer a “flow” to aircraft movement. I say that O’Hare NO LONGER WROKS. It’s an utter nightmare. All these new runways & taxiways to handle greater traffic volume…but only 5 or so new (domestic) gates to try to handle said traffic increase🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️.
We hardly EVER had issues with contaminated runways and crosswinds near or exceeding aircraft limitations. Now, constantly. THAT’S just some of the repercussions of airport design based on political decisions.
Again, I’ll tell ya…OHARE NO LONGER WORKS…they’ve ruined it!
That's the reason why the next ORD projects involve expanding gate capacity. There's absolutely still a flow for taxiing traffic, not sure what you're talking about. Also, how is politics responsible for the changes?
@@EC-oe9bv First, when ATL took the title of “Worlds Busiest Airport” from OHARE; then Mayor Daley did everything he could to (so to speak) get ORD back on top. That’s when the ORD Revitalization program was born. Also, politics always play a big role in design…we’ve got to be a good neighbor. Unfortunately, the eats-west layout is NOT the best (IMHO) design for the winds we experience at ORD. In 32 years of operations I’ve run into way more aircraft performance (structural crosswind limitations) since ORD has gone to its current layout. Add runways & taxiways; but not increase snow removal capabilities in proportion and you get more contamination issues which further increase performance issues we as pilots have to deal with. That’s just for starters.
As for flow: Taxi procedures were much easier in the past. Now, with the crossing traffic via multiple (more) intersections…and few “standard” taxi routes; as well as route clearances that are long (& for those not familiar with ORD) which greatly increase ground control frequency congestion…there have been times I’ve been waiting for 20-45 minutes to either receive a taxi clearance; or even be able to contact ground control to get a taxi clearance when I’ve been holding in one of the pads when our gate/alley have opened.
I’m hearing more & more from my passengers that, “In the future I’m going to do everything I can to AVOID OHare”. If you loose your customer over poor service…what good is the expenditure?
I’m not saying OHare didn’t/doesn’t need updating…it’s just not always done the best way.
Who edited this audio? Quiet, loud, quiet, way too loud, etc.
Meter and kilometer?
WSJ didn’t even bothered to write on the screen any metric units! It’s just ridiculous!!!
Um, can you please use metric measurement atleast in parentheses for your international viewers? Thanks. Meters please.
He needs to work on charlotte first
Pretty sure this redesign is how NOT to design an airfield... 27C literally stretches from all sides to all sides, and a lot of foreign companies don't allow their pilots to do LAHSO
I feel like this video is kind of a miss. We aren't going to discuss taxiways or terminals? You had the expert right there and you're telling me you only asked him 4 minutes worth of questions exclusively about runways?!
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London Heathrow? Seriously??? One of the most unpleasant airports I’ve had the misfortune to use.
@@josephj6521 I enjoy it for the most part on BA. Good premium facilities and you just have to know how to navigate it. I hear the new terminal 2 is also great. Now T-3 is kinda a pit I will agree.
O'Hare wiped out half of a suburb and a cemetery to expand O'Hare. 10 years ago it was a cemetery, now it's a runway
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The journalists who made this piece need to think better about who their target audience is. It's all super basic stuff and then you throw in a term like hot and high. Anyone who knows that term and what it means for aircraft performance also knows literally everything else mentioned in this video.
This projects seems like it will be a massive ORDeal
The only correct answer is, of course, that unless there is a major urban centre nearby and no airport within +-200kms from it, you don't build an airport, you build a railway instead. Airplanes are a backwards form of transit that should only become an option if nothing else is reasonably available, such as very long distances, or across large bodies of water.
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The absence of concern for the population in the city near the air port is interesting, to say the least.
Resident who lives about 30 minutes from O'Hare and daughter of an airport runway and taxiway engineer.
From what my dad says, that is a concern for the planners. Looking at the old vs. new airfield layouts, they didn't use much more land than they already were. There is also a bunch of land surrounding the airport that if they needed another runway, they could probably build a new one.
This area is Chicago is also mostly commercial stuff with convention centers nearby. There aren't very many neighborhoods in the area who would complain about the noise.
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I live in Copenhagen Denmark in Europe, where noise is discused as the airport has grown into a residential area (and previously removed a village. )
I actually WANT to live next to this airport. Love planes, the ambient noise, and seeing them closely
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Fun fact. ORD was really designed when they dropped a bundle of uncooked spaghetti on the floor. When they looked at it they had an epiphany. And ORD was born.
That's Jonah Hill.
Solving congestion of planes coming in and out of airports is just one problem. It doesn’t solve the issue of TSA security lines and overall people congestion in the airport.
With PreCheck and United Globas Services, I've never had to wait more that 2 minutes at security.
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You do not need 8 runways at O'Hare... Three are enough for 150 movements an hour
Dang. Why didn’t they consult you? Could’ve saved millions! Lol
Sure buddy sure...
I thought the 150 an hour was just arrivals. They have departures too,
Have you used O’Hare? I was delayed significantly 10 years ago for a departure. It’s a very busy airport.
@@jstins he’s right though, look at Heathrow, Gatwick.. in America they just build runways within runways
Can someone translate to metric system
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ORD is still a cluster.
He has a lithpy lisp….
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Let it die let it die
Airport planer doesn’t know velocity includes direction and magnitude (speed), every single time. “Direction and velocity” is nonsensical.
Do what China is doing, let local planners and countries build the Airport, leverage unpayable loans against it and seize... #Entebbe....#Sorted...
Have you been to these airports maybe they shouldn't get to much credit
Show this to the Mexican government. After cancelling the New Mexico City Airport they are improvising a military air base converted as a civilian airfield without any science backup or even expert consulting.
Better than the New CDMX airport that would have kept sinking. what do you propose?
@@dragon32210 return to construction immediately. The sinking myth is based on a false statement by the same gov. A really stupid one since the entire city including the old airport is sinking, which in turn makes unfordable to keep operating the old one as currently planned.
This is so outdated. They have 4 NE-SW runways
False information. It is now the busiest airport in the world.
Not even close. Pre-shutdown, ATL has had the crown for many years.
@@rickb3288 nope. No airport moves more planes than Ohare and it’s been that way for decades. Atlanta moves more people because one airline serves multiple different countries with wide body planes.
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4 planes to land simultaneously
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