Torchwood: Children of Earth 3x5 FINALE REACTION!! "Day Five"
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- Eric Shane Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 3 episode 5 of Torchwood Day Five
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The scariest thing that I still find about the 456 is the possibility that there was no mothership, no planet destroying weapon, it could have been just one junkie holding Earth hostage with false threats and that humanity, without the Doctor to help, would have given in.
Well, the fact that they were able to stay hopped up on just 12 kids for 44 years but then asked for 10% this time around makes it seem like there has to be more than one 456 out there. An individual junkie wouldn't need to push their luck in an attempt to get millions of children when they could make a small amount last several decades and the acquisition would be far less difficult.
So either there were many more members of the species who got addicted as time went on, or maybe the 456 also found other buyers interested in the children and decided to take a bigger stock to start a large-scale drug trade.
Wolf6120 I would imagine you're right with the idea that the entire race slowly became addicted over time, which resulted in them demanding 10%.
Whatever the possible reason, its still terrifying and awful. In my mind, the 456 will always be the most disgusting, horrifying and creative antagonists in the Nu-Who era.
The reasons I believe this could be true maybe not one individual but a small group maybe. Is that they made all these threats about wiping out the human race if they refused to give them the children and yet when they eventually killed their ambassador and refused to give them the children, they did absolutely nothing. They just ran. You would think if they had the power to wipe out the human race that they would want revenge on the killing of their ambassador or the betrayal of the humans and yet nothing happened. Which makes me believe that they didnt have the technology in the first place and that it was mainly empty threats.
Cjzmar
Maybe they where drug dealers in their race? Not something approved by their own government.
Thats what makes the Torchwood concept so compelling, is that the Doctor would have solved this in like a minute with no casualties while dancing or eating chips but he's not always gonna be around and what is the Earth gonna do the next time a new threat shows up. Doctor was odds with Torchwood for taking extreme measures but what else they supposed to do when he's galavanting off with some lady
"I am depressed" sums up how I felt after watching Children of Earth. Great piece of television, the best Torchwood have ever produced, but still a major heartbreaker to go through.
Me too. It haunted me for days.
I first saw it on DVD, and watched the episodes back to back; I couldn't NOT
*”They create chemicals. The chemicals ...are good. We feel good. The chemicals are good.”* The 456 are absolutely horrifying, definitely among my favourite alien antagonists of all time. It’s a shame we’ll never get another story with them in anything Doctor Who or Torchwood related.
It also turns my stomach when you realize the vomiting was probably withdrawal symptoms.
@@wittyreviewer ngl first time i saw it i thought they were shitting onto the glass
Personlly I'm glad. I think the mystery is a big part of what makes them work so well, but if they appeared again they would almost certainly have to reveal more about them or they would become stale.
I love the fact that while all this shit was going down, the Doctor was probably off having one of those adventures off-screen in between Waters of Mars and the End of Time, and that while he was hung up over the fact he might die, he was neglecting the fact that Earth was literally going through one of the biggest and most brutal invasions of their entire history.
That’s one way of looking at it. Another, is that The Doctor potentially knew the only way to stop the 456 was to sacrifice a child and couldn’t bear the thought of putting himself and a child through that. He also doesn’t know everything that’s going on everywhere, so there’s no reason we can’t assume he just didn’t know about this, at least until after it happened. There’s so many crucial moments in time he can’t interfere with, this may have been one of them for whatever reason.
Series 3 isn't very kind on Jack... the day after losing his lover he is forced to kill his own grandson (essentially destroying his relationship with his daughter). This episode is very bold and very depressing, and I love everything about it.
Children of Earth, as a whole, is probably the greatest single series of television I've ever watched (definitely up there with Breaking Bad Season 5) and I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.
Altleast he got to bang Alonso afterwards.
Hard agree. It’s still my favourite Torchwood story and as it was broadcast originally Mon -Fri on tv it had impact.
Loved seeing "sociopathic" Shane finally cry at something. Gave me all of my warped emotional fulfilment lol.
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Shane actually made a good point about the 12 original kids being dead. Even if they were kept alive by the 456 for the past 44 years, they definitely died when the 456 imploded, as if that whole fucking situation wasn't soul-crushing enough. Then again, after four decades of being used as a carry-on drug source, death might have been a mercy...
DatGuyKey
I hope Doctor found them, and did the same thing to them as he did to family of blood. Only worse.
It isn't stated that the 456 (or even the one in the tank) were killed.
The use of the noise showed them that Earth was able to cause them pain and they left.
@@telectronix1368 The ambassador definitely exploded into blood. So yes, its dead.
@@thundervoid420 No it 'beamed' up/out of the tank.
@@telectronix1368 Watch it again, it exploded into blood before it was beamed up. Like someone already said, the ambassador died, and its body was taken away to prevent humans from finding out more about the species.
The doctor would be smart enough to find a way to get around it. But speaking of sacrifices don't forget the Doctor did sacrifice his ENTIRE race for the sake of the universe. That was a choice he had to make.
He still made the choice to sacrifice them originally.
arno victor yes I did but they haven't yet. A bit of spoilers
David Blyth well no need for the insults. At this point in time where they're at in the doctor who series the doctor thinks he killed his entire race, the gallifreyans (not all gallifreyans are timelords) so there you go.
Plus, there have been a few instances where The Doctor came very close to making large-scale sacrifices, but chose "coward" at the last minute before some lucky thing happened to save the day...
David Blyth You're a fucking moron. They initially were sacrificed. The events of the Day of the Doctor changed that. So at this point in the series, the Time Lords were really dead
I'm disappointed they didn't talk about Frobisher, but it's understandable since it's caught up in a veritable deluge of depressing moments.
They talked about him a little bit
"I am depressed." Yeeeah, join the club, dude. I think the fanbase were pretty much inconsolable for ages.
StormWolf Yeah and we still had to deal with 10's regeneration later too. Now they have to go through the same shit....
That is why I am often annoyed with people that keep recommending shows like 'the Expanse', 'Breaking Bad' etc... yes, they are very good shows but they are also very depressing shows. Why can't people pace themselves and spread it out a little... not a whole ton of depressing shows back to back. There are very good show that aren't depressing as well.
Never mind where's The Doctor, where's The Shadow Proclamation. They are the worst police force in the universe. The Doctor doesn't always appear but they never do.
James Sugden I believed it was explained in a Doctor Who episode that he didn't show up because Earth managed the situation.
Think of them as being like INTERPOL and planets' individual governments being local police. When a group from the city of Tampa goes to Miami and holds half the city hostage, you don't expect INTERPOL to get involved. Local police, FBI, Homeland Security, or even CIA, sure. But not INTERPOL.
Plus, at this point in time, most of the human race still denies the existence of aliens. The Shadow Proclamation coming to such an underdeveloped world is like officers from a westernized country going to one of the uncontacted tribes. They just aren't ready for that yet, as we wouldn't be for the SP...
But there had already been the hospital on the moon and survivors had talked about Rhinos in space. Also with every child on Earth being affected and saying we are coming it would leave you open to the possibility,and help, of alien life. It seems to me that with their inaction and the associations they make later on that they're a corrupt agency.
+James Sugden they aren't allowed to interfere with earth as it's a level 3 planet or something. it's the reason they took the hospital to the moon.
they don't have jurisdiction on earth.
"I've got an absolute pit in my stomach" - I think that sums up everyone's experience watching this. It felt like seasons 1 & 2 were written by kids who'd been told to write a "grown up" show, so they filled it with snogging and bars because that's what grown ups like right? Whilst this season is one of the darkest and most disturbing pieces of tv, the writer successfully took the western world of his day and decided to show us the nudge it would take to turn us truly barbaric.
This is honestly one of the most heart-wrenching episodes of a show I've ever seen.
The resolution of the Government plotline is honestly so depressing and unfulfilling in all the appropriate ways. The actually good people, like Lois or even Frobisher and his assistant Bridget are all either dead, disgraced, or marginalized. That lady who effectively overthrows the Prime Minister is really no better than he was at the end of the day. She was KIND OF the moderating voice of reason in the room, but ultimately all she did was offer more "practical" solutions that still ended with the kids being given away.
Even the slimy, self-serving Prime Minister himself doesn't really face any appropriate consequences. At worst he'll be silently forced out of power and MAYBE the United Nations will indict him or something, but it's unlikely that he'll actually end up in jail like he'd deserve. I'm just saying, Harriet fucking Jones wouldn't have stood for this kind of bullshit if she were in charge...
Wolf6120: The woman who it's implied takes control at the end is the same woman who tried to get her nieces and nephews excluded from the process. The scumbag PM was the one that told her not to push her luck. She's as bad as he is.
Some Random Guy In a way, yes. But it’s all so much more complicated and relative. Sure, it was a self-serving move on her part, but is she really a “bad” person because she tried to look out for her siblings and their children, even if it was at the expense of others? There’s really no “right” or “good” way to handle this situation, everyone has to come to grips with it in their own way.
Also the only reason the PM shut down her nieces and nephews idea was because his own children were already adults and he (most likely) didn’t have any nieces and nephews of his own. Considering his personality you can be damn sure he would have gone along with the idea if it had benefitted himself or his own family as well. On the one hand they’re all abusing their power to prioritize their own families and their own survival. On the other hand, any human being placed in that situation would probably do exactly the same thing while trying to protect their relatives.
What makes the PM a bit worse than the rest, I think, is that he wasn’t just thinking about protecting his family, he was also constantly scheming to protect his career and reputation as well, which is a lot less relatable or excusable under the circumstances.
The Doctor really screwed the earth over by overthrowing Harriet. First the Master came into power, than this scumbag.
kavtoM
Time Lord's non-interference policy is not just for a show.
I’d have loved to see Harriet Jones introduce herself to the 456
In the six months before jack left earth the was an audio book, part of the torchwood mini-series called 'house of the dead'. It has the actual actors doing the lines.
And this is where Torchwood ends for me. The children being taken away is harrowing, Jack having no choice but allowing his grandchild to be fried is terribly devastating, the reveal of the 456 wanting the children as drugs to fuel their addiction is horrifying, the bleakness and the complete downfall of Torchwood with Jack parting ways with Gwen and the Earth really feels like the end of an era. This is the peak of Torchwood. This was the best series and this is where Torchwood really should have ended. Miracle Day just isn’t Torchwood to me. It feels like a completely different series which was very unnecessary and monotonous. I imagine that Blind Wave will be intrigued by it and while it will be interesting to see their reactions to it, I will always consider Children of Earth to be the true conclusion and ending of the real Torchwood. Great reaction. Seeing Blind Wave all depressed mirrors how we all felt when we watched it during the broadcast. The bleakness really got to them, especially Eric.
It's still strange to me that RTD was involved in Miracle Day.
It really does feel like it was made by a totally different group who did not know the story so far.
I really would recommend listening to Big Finish's output, a lot of it comes so very close to Children of Earth and is better than the rest of televised Torchwood, sheer brilliance. Torchwood doesn't end here, it's still going strong!
lAmCanad1an I still disagree. Miracle Day never felt like Torchwood to me. Heck it didn’t even feel like it was something that happened in The Doctor Who universe whereas the first three seasons felt more a part of that universe. MD just feels like a completely different show throughout and not even in a good way unfortunately.
David Blyth - speak for yourself.
And having had 8th Doctor re-appear and name check characters there's a whole chunk that are official canon now, too.
(Plus the special effects are always better for audio. :-) )
There's some good stuff in Miracle Day, but most of it is monotonous yes. I think they did a pretty decent job with what governments would do if suddenly the entire population became immortal. I think Big Finish's Torchwood is much better though than anything Torchwood that was on tv except Children of Earth. Aliens Among Us and Gods Among Us make for absolutely fantastic fifth and sixth seasons. I would thoroughly recommend giving them a listen. All of the new characters are absolutely brilliant and fit in perfectly with Gwen and Jack.
Torchwood was always a bit darker than Doctor Who most of the time, but this was the season that really messed with my emotions.
That thumbnail sums up all of my feelings right now.
Up until this point, I haven't rewatched this season of Torchwood. I actually refused to a couple of times. Now, don't get me wrong, I think it's brilliant. It's absolutely amazing in every way. But for years I could barely make it through a trailer for it without wanting to vomit, or have an anxiety attack. That might sound like an exaggeration, but it honestly affected me that much when I was first watching it, that I connected all kinds of anxieties and negative feelings to it. I have a really hard time seeing kids get harmed on tv. It gets to me.
Now, I did make it through this time, but I still feel similarly to Eric here, which is basically how I felt the first time around. It's just really sad. And disturbing. And it's not really something you watch that you then want to go on to watch something else. I kind of just want to go and hug my family.
The stuff with Steven, and the stuff with Frobisher's family definitely affects me a lot. It's brutal, it's the only way out, and it's depressing. And every shot of the soldiers dragging those kids into the streets... I still have a hard time watching that. And the whole concept of this alien race, using SPECIFICALLY prepubescent kids as drugs, for their hormones - I don't think I've encountered many more disturbing monsters than that. I recognize that feeling Eric mentions, the pit in the stomach. And I've seen this before, the pit doesn't get better.
But hey, I managed to get through it this time, because I didn't have to watch it on my own, but the reaction worked sort of as a filter, and I think that was pretty great. And of course, the reaction was fantastic, if, you know, sad and depressing. I've still been looking forward to seeing you react to this, and to hear you talk about it. So it's still been "fun" to watch this season again, in a way. Thanks for helping out with that. :D
Interesting tidbit, Russel T Davies - the showrunner for Seasons 1 through 4 of "new who" and for Torchwood (at least through Children of Earth, unsure about Miracle Day) suggested that - since it's the same actor - Frobisher is a descendent of the family The Doctor and Donna saved in Pompeii
Steven Moffat later confirmed that to be the case as Frobisher's Murders/Suicide of his family/himself was "time reasserting itself"
And if I'm not mistaken, the End of Time scene with Jack depressed in the bar is supposed to be following this event so it adds a bit of weight to the scene if true.
I remember why this season leaves a weird feeling in my stomach and its because this would most likely happen in this situation
This whole season is the most devastating TV-series I've ever watched. EVER. And I've watched a lot.
This season got me crying for days. Any thought with the reminder of it just made me cry again. And worst of all, is that this is exactly how it would've happened in reality for us.
Torchwood Series Four aka Miracle Day was a British-American co-production, it aired on BBC One in the UK and on Starz in the US. Haven't seen it since it aired back in 2011 but I remember liking it. Hope you guys react
Imperiex Loved Rex and Esther really became a favourite character for me. Starts amazingly but just seems rushed towards the end. Also Jeff Daniels? Played a very interesting character and his eventual fame was a terrible example of our celebrity obsessed culture and was very black mirror.
Its Bill Pullman :)
Oscar Tydd yeah that's right. Independence Day President!
This series of torchwood was so good. Honestly one of the best things
I've been eagerly anticipating this reaction and now, seeing you all so shocked and depressed... I'm completely satisfied
"GOOD MAN!....I'd...I'd keep the vest on.." same Calvin 😅
I loved how much they got into this miniserie! I hold it very dear to my heart because of how many emotions it made me feel the first time through and I'm glad I saw it reflected with the crew! I also loved how DONE Erik was after this because I was in that exact same state for at least a week afterwards
Wow, I can't believe it's over already! Thank you for reacting to this amazing show and all of its 3 seasons!
If it was the Doctor... his vengeance upon the 456 will be terrible, he is not above that, he has done it before, it just take a lot for him to dispense judgment but once he does, he do so decisively. He can also do a lot more than what Torchwood is able to manage. There is however a reason why he isn't there (it was implied in later Doctor Who episode). He isn't present for a lot of the incident that happens on Earth, and he isn't here precisely because Earth did managed.
BioCapsule
Doctor would make 456 suffer... Eternally.
BioCapsule look what he did to the family of blood and they weren't even half as evil as the 456, not in my eyes at least. The Doctor would show them a reckoning unimaginable to us
The Family of Blood threatened The Doctor directly. The 456 just threatened us, his little pet project species, as that group of Sycorax did.
0okamino
The family struck a nerve with Doctor. They killed humans, (Doctor blamed himself for that... and in a way, it was his fault), cuz of them he fell in love with someone he could never be with (being a time lord and all) and last but not least, he gave them chance to go away, which they refused. Also keep in mind, The Doctor doesn't like when children are hurt. (space whale episode).
AAAAARRHH! 4:47 I'm watching a recording of these guys watching a recording of Jacks daughter watching a recording of some guy watching a recording of the 456! MY HEAD IS SPINNING!
Coming up next: Torchwood Season 4 "We're half American and everything's on fire, for the love of god let us die."
And after that is series 5: “Our base is in tatters, aliens have invaded the city, Bilis is back, Yvonne Hartman is alive again and there’s terrorists blowing up refugees! On the plus side, at least we’re back in Cardiff.”
"We lost Ianto."
"I literally forgot.... Honestly wasn't even thinking about Ianto."
Not even surprised at this point... >_>
The thing i always think of with this season is that the doctor probably could have sorted this whole thing out no problem but because the doctor wasn't there all this terrible shit happened and people had to do terrible things.
SahqoMedPeytte Well yeah, the 456 are basically just the Sycorax, except they only target children. This whole story essentially shows how much worse a silly little “monster of the week” alien can be when the Doctor isn’t around and humanity has to try and deal with it on its own
Kind of reminds me of Turn Left
SahqoMedPeytte yer this is where Torchwood and particularly this season had issues. If the children of earth were in this much danger, there would be no other situation more likely to get the Doctor involved. The Tardis would've bright him to earth.
skylark belle
Would TARDIS care though?
Maybe he knew how events would turn out, that Jack would make the necessary sacrifice. Or maybe, he thought (or knew) the 456 were bluffing about being able to kill the entire human race, and once he saw how humanity reacted he left them to their fate
Yeah this pretty much did it for Torchwood for me too. I did watch the first ep of the next series, but that was it.
Don't get me wrong, this was the best series of Torchwood. I just... couldn't... after this.
I hope you do watch Series 4 as I'd like to see your reactions on it! I'm one of the few who like Miracle Day!
I guess I liked it, but.. it made me feel horrible all the way through. Like.. yeah..
I like it too. But I think it could be a lot better
Raul Victor I only hated how they killed off one of the characters at the end. :'(
Mark Thanks! I'll go change my comment then... I was telling him that it was available for streaming on Amazon Prime and I gave them the price to purchase the DVD.
Personally I'd be happy never hearing or seeing mention of.......that....ever again.
It's a really poor story.
*John Barrowman* was born in Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom but moved to Joliet, Illinois in the United States when he was 8 years old and grew up there. He is citizen of both the United Kingdom and the United States because of this. I hope you manage to get ahold of the next season/miniseries. It wasn't until I watched your reaction that I even noticed that it wasn't on my Blu-ray set. 😲
This the best bit of television I’ve ever seen
You guys have really done well to watch these series in chronological order...this series is just before End of Time in relation to a scene in part 2.
Pls do Torchwood Miracle Day!
Red exe They've started it :)
this episode gets me emotional at so many different points. Plus Ianto's death from last episode.
John Barrowman is Scottish (his parents are both Scottish), but his family moved to America when he was about 9 years old. He automatically resorts to a Scottish accent when he hears a Scot speak.
The next one is really good and would be great to see Yall react to
Season 4 is my favorite! cannot wait for that
Captain Jack's grandson dying like that is probably the hardest scene to watch in Whoniverse.
FYI: John Barrowman is Scottish and lived in Scotland until he was 8 years old when his family moved to the US with him moving back and from the UK since the 90s & He actually still speaks with a scottish accent around his family.
At the end of the universe, expect the company of immortals.
1 more season of torchwood left ...cant wait!!!!
It’s called Miracle Day and was in Starz. I liked it. Actually saw it first then went back and watched the original series.
John Barrowman was born in Scotland and grew up in Canada and returned to the UK.
Can we take a moment to appreciate Aarons shirt
John Barrowman is actually from Scotland.
11:40 "Good riddance, you junkie piece of shit" - you echoed all our thoughts SO accurately ;)
25:44 ERROR: erik not working
please do watch season 4, it carries on the Torchwood storyline. Very thought-provoking
Hot Fuzz mentioned!
"Rhys isn't Torchwood!"
"He could."
I liked season 4, subtitled MIRACLE DAY... but CHILDREN OF EARTH was my all-time favorite.
this is why i have trouble explaining torchwood to people. the first two seasons are really good but a bit cheesy and kinda raunchy so it's awkward to recommend. then the last two seasons are pure cinematic storytelling...and a lot of exploration of morals. it's really good and really well made, but also dark and depressing. Like no laughing out loud really and a lot of hard choices to amke
At 25:16 Eric look's...done with life
Season 4 is worth watching. Jack, Gwen and Reece all make a return and the new characters introduced aren’t half bad either.
Totally! Just because some people don't like it doesn't mean everyone doesn't, there's a fair chance they'll like it a lot- I happen to think it's the second best series after COE :)
I enjoyed it, it just went on for a little too long and had a bit of an unsatisfying ending. But still pretty good.
I just love it for the great Jack and Gwen moments - "I'm Welsh!"
and I love how it makes fun of America
wait, IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN I'M SORRY DON'T FIRE YOUR AR-15 AT ME!
I loved that too haha, Gwen and Esther constantly battling between British and American terminologies was hilarious :)
This series was shockingly depressing. I loved how part of the story showed that England, who had stood strong in the face of the Nazi world threat, was now weak and corrupt. The generation that had been willing to "meet them on the beaches, to fight them in the streets" had passed away, leaving corrupt, selfish and conscienceless monsters in their place. Men worse than the aliens threatening Earth. What did not hold together was that no one, no government on Earth, could cover something like this up. And how exactly would any country survive, when you had the entire population rising up against the human authorities attempting to steal children by force? Maybe in England, where firearms are outlawed, but in America? where firearms are common? There would be war in the streets, bloodshed like nothing anyone had ever seen. While I can certainly believe that politicians would go along with anything to save themselves, how did they think that any government could survive something like this?
And something else that no one mentioned. The aliens were basically drug addicts. And drug addicts are never satisfied. So they wanted 10% of the Earth's children now. And what happened when they came back in a couple of decades, and wanted 20% this time---and the next time and the time after that? This series made for excellent and riveting watching, but it glorified all the ugliest aspects of humanity and ignores any of the better ones.
During WWII the world faced a threat in the Axis powers that was no less overwhelming than the fictional alien threat in this story. And entire generations stood forth and fought rather than be slaves and victims. If our world deliberately sacrificed the most vulnerable of our kind, rather than fight------it makes you wonder if the world would deserve to survive.
Yall just watched the soul crushing ending.
Please watch Season 4.
Face the raven, now this. Right, now just need someone to react to Rains of Castamere for a real feel good Friday.
The plot of this is similar to The Quatermass Conclusion - TV show from 1979.
Jacks daughter scream shook me to the core. First watching thought no nation would tolerate Government ripping families apart.. citizens would rise up and oust every single one in power involved, into the nearest prison. Oh, man. Darkest thing we watched. 2018, the sequel.
Jack and Gwen are in season 4.
I hope they end up watching Torchwood: Miracle Day. It's apart of Amazon Prime or the season can be bought for around $26 in HD and less in SD. So they should have access to it.
That said Children of Earth is perhaps one of the darkest things in the Whoverse that I've watched. I think there might some things darker though but this ending did leave me drained originally want I saw it. I'm glad they didn't show the 456 clearly. It adds to their mystery, threat, and general terror they seem to invoke.
The thing I don't get is that they made all these threats about wiping out the human race if they refused to give them the children and yet when they eventually killed their ambassador and refused to give them the children, they did absolutely nothing. They just ran. You would think if they had the power to wipe out the human race that they would want revenge for the killing of their ambassador or the betrayal of the humans and yet nothing happened. Which makes me believe that they didnt have the technology in the first place and that it was mainly empty threats.
Or they were just drug dealer in their own species. Not approved by their own government.
They were bluffing/cowards/too drugged out too bother making any more effort.
where am i - Yeah that was written by Harknesd to hide the truth and make him not look quite as bad.
#RevisionistHistory
where am i no the 456 extracted the corpse of their ambassador to ensure they couldn’t analyse it. They must’ve realised they’d found a weakness and didn’t want to risk humanity taking the fight to them
did you guys know that if you take the letters of doctor who and rearrange them, it turns out to be torchwood.
WATCH MIRACLE DAY WATCH MIRACLE DAY WATCH MIRACLE DAY!!!!!!! Miracle Day is the next season of Torchwood, yes it was produced in the US but it is following the same characters and it is SO GOOD. It’s very similar to Children Of Earth in that the season followed one big storyline. If you like Children Of Earth, you will LOVE miracle day.
Might be worth watching Series 4 (Miracle Day) after Doctor Who - The End of Time Part 2 chaps.
Re: Eric's point about the Doctor, River has the right of it I think - "Everybody knows that everybody dies and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark if he ever, for one moment, accepts it.". The Doctor would find another way because he's (literally) not bound by the same rules of reality as we are - much more than the swears and bumping of uglies _that_ is what makes 'Torchwood' an adult show because for the most part they are.
And John Barrowman is Scottish incidentally (he's from Mount Vernon in Glasgow) though he moved to the US when he was a kid. You can CZcams clips of him using the accent he grew up with (even as a Scot it's a bit odd hearing it from his mouth ;).
That one alien we saw could be the only one. It could have been one drug dealer on one ship working independently.
Your faces on the thumbnail ummmm
Miracle Day is cool tho! I hope you'll watch it!
There is another season of Torchwood and it is a pretty good season too. It is an emotional rollercoaster like this one as well. Just like this season, it shows the truth of just how fucked up humanity is. I have no doubts that if something like this was to really happen in real life our government officials would make the same choices that the characters on the show would make.
This was the worst day for Torchwood, but it made for the best episode of Torchwood, for me. It's depressing as hell, but so much more powerful for it - it was all the more powerful having it air over five days when it went out (and the music originally used in the big climatic sequence was more emotional and effective too than the theme it's been replaced with on the home media releases).
It is effectively the end of the show, Miracle Day is functionally more like a spin-off from Torchwood. There's places where the canon with Doctor Who begins to get a bit shaky, and the whole thing was headed in a new and different direction - some people like it, but for me it just didn't work at all. This big five-part depression-fest serves as the best possible way Torchwood could have gone out.
Miracle day is amazing
Torchwood is like if George RR Martin handled a season of Doctor Who. Anyone we like is likely to get killed off like beetles.
"Smash da beetles. Smash 'em! *GUH! GUH! GUH*
In the end... Even GOT wasn't as devastating as this season.
@@lightefilit burning Shireen at the stake is pretty devastating.
There are things I really like about miracle day and things I really don’t. But I think you should still watch it, it has some really interesting themes in it...but the follow through not so much
That thumbnail..... same
Calvin: "Goddamn it Aaron! You shoot up on kids..." Lol'd!
I was on this episode 😂
Yeah after watching episode 4 and then 5, I was emotionally drained. Ep 5 was just dark in my opinion. Even to this day, I find it difficult to rewatch those 2 episodes. lol
The next season is still pretty good
This is what I liked about torchwood. Doctor Who would hint at "Hey, things are shitty and will still be shitty", but Torchwood is like "Here, here it all is. Things are super fucked, and that's how it is".
Nice Next up Torchwood Miracle Day.
gwen's speech was fucking amazing i love it it sums up how i feel about racism
this was the greatist season
You've got Romeo and Juliet backwards, Romeo poisoned himself and Juliet stabbed herself after kissing Romeo in hopes that there's still some poison on his lips. You might be thinking of Juliet taking a sleeping draft when she faked her death.
This whole series makes me think of everything that's going on right now taking the children.
Jack killing his grand son is horrible but if he had chosen another child I think that would have made him a monster
Torchwood Season 4 is called Miracle Day which I think you guys will like and find it interesting also I know that they have either started filming or are about to start filming on season 5 this may have been a reason John Barrowman left Arrow.
there's no torchwood series 5, where did you hear that from??? the torchwood cast came back for an audio drama, nothing more
+erosion271 Several audio dramas, not just one.
Have y'all not checked the doctor who CZcams channel they literally have a trailer for Torchwood Season 5 : Aliens Among Us it may be an audio series but nevertheless it is still a series 5
+The Dad Of Boy Yeah but you don't "film" an audio series.
Gavin Henderson ohhh sorry record
1:17 That sound came from Eric? Ook...
Due to the rating of the show, the BBC forbade the Doctor to appear on Torchwood.
Psammead Sand Conversely, he appeared twice on The Sarah Jane Adventures (which is geared more towards kids than even Doctor Who) as well as once in Class (which is more teen focused).
Are you guys gonna start watching Sarah Jane adventures again?
But the next season gets really good so please continue this series first.
Specially the doctor who episodes :)
Hussain oh yeah definitely
I enjoyed season 4 even if it was in the US. It wasn't the best but I enjoyed it.
This series was some high profile sci fi. Who else but Russel T Davies thought about earth being held hostage by alien drug addicts? Brilliant.
This is a fantastic season, but damn if it isn’t dark and depressing.
So are they not doing Miracle day?
They shoulda mentioned this on Sarah Jane Adventures. XD All the kids were being taken away by the government. Heck SJA also should have referred to the planet moving to a different space in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End but the show never mentions either one of those events. It never mentions Torchwood Season 4's events either. I get that SJA is a children's show and Torchwood is an adult show but still, it's the same world.
actually the planets/daleks do get mentioned in sarah jane's show, by clyde langer's father
Come to think of it, Sarah Jane would have been Master'd but her son wouldn't since he's not human. Surprised that's not brought up either.
Isn't something like that mentioned by Luke at the end of the End of Time p2?
+Didgeridoomen he brought up everyone having the same face, thats it