Chulane - Brawl to Commander Upgrade | The Command Zone | Magic: the Gathering EDH
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Show Notes:
In this special mini-sode Jimmy and Josh break down the Chulane Eldraine Brawl precon deck “Wild Bounty” and talk about which 40 cards they would add to quickly and easily turn it into a full-on Commander deck.
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Except the brawl decks were sold out within 20 minutes of them becoming available on CK and were at a 200% markup. Yeah no thanks. I'll buy them for $20 at Walmart.
Remember, Wizards removed MSRP. "There's no 200% mark-up if there's no suggested retail price!"- MTG Finance Community Thanks, Wizards.
Yes, apparently they are at a discount of some kind at $159 for the four $20 decks.
@@andyscout There's still an MSRP on the distributor side, Wizards just isn't making it public knowledge, which is even worse.
I don't see them being $20 anywhere.
Did CK ever have good prices? Worst site ever to get good prices on MTG.
I love these mini episodes. Its nice to see individual builds and changes for each deck and talking about how each is ment to work
I would add karametra god of the harvest into the deck to have the mana ramp go crazy
Cuz it didn't already do that.(sarcasm) that would still be a good one to have in there
Another plus with this dude is that he can bounce himself avoiding commander tax so keep him.untapped until the last end step just encase. :)
ecos889 that’s not really what you want to do though. You want to spend all your mana for max value, if you lose three mana that’s like 2 cards or more with extra lands from his ability.
@@antoniobush4560 It depends on your commander tax really, it is an option among many to make sure during your turn you spend the least mana possible a commander like this I imagine will quite often be targeted by your opponents spells and abilities to get rid as it is a combo piece that can outright win the game and gives too much value.
So having that get out of jail free card open is always a good thing even if it is a bluff if you let the players know you will just do that in response and for targeted removal stuff it makes them go a -1 for essentially minimal added value.
Make an Extra Turns episode with all of the brawl decks transformed into EDH decks please!
I'd personally rather see them play brawl. It could help the format immensely if these guys put out a fun gameplay video
@@ApexZer0 i mean , I think the next game knights episode involves them playing with the brawl decks, thats why I'm asking for this Extra turns episode :)
Apex 0 they did
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@Axton Sutton instablaster :)
Chulane can actually bounce himself at instant speed with his tap ability, so you can protect him from removal that way.
Really ????!?!?!?!?!?
Glad that you mentioned overburden and mana breach. Those cards are pretty amazing in Chulane and very effective for making the other players have a more measured response about what to get rid of.
Vizier of the Menagerie's also great in any deck where you want to be playing lots of creatures, and gets better the more colours you're worrying about. God-Eternal Oketra also gives you added benefit to playing your creatures letting you go wide right away.
$45 for a single brawl deck plus shipping from Card Kingdom? Absolutely not.
Yea I saw $45 per deck and quickly removed from my cart. I'll wait until my LGS has them for $20ish.
Wasn't that the price of a c19 deck? 40 less cards for same price...
Same had it in my cart but couldn't pull the trigger. I'm saving my money to go to my first prerelease.
@@n0obz27 Got my Ghired deck at walmart for 41$
What last time I checked it was around 25 now 40 heck no. Most of the deck will be played maybe day one with my group but then being scrapped for parts. Guess I'm buying singles.
I'm finally making my Chulane list and there are some really good cards here that I didn't see in everybody else's suggestions. Thanks, CZ folks!
Another creature that does what Whitemane Lion does is Stonecloaker and is a pretty cool include as, for one mana more, you get to tack on some graveyard pruning to your flash creature cast. I also like Temur Sabretooth as it lets you reuse ETB creatures that don't bounce themselves and can help potentially save both the sabretooth and your creatures from board wipes. I run these in my Karametra deck, but I figure they'd go great with Chulane as well (as would Karametra).
Kor Skyfisher, Man-o-War, Fleetfoot Panther, Shrieking Drake, Whitemane Lion Stonecloaker, Dream Stalker, Emancipation Angel
Also Ancestral Statue but it's 4 cmc so Aluren can't combo off with it.
Hi I’m just getting into magic and found your channel it’s so cool keep it up!
Welcome to mtg 🤓🎉🎉also these guys are sponsored by wotc (the owners of mtg) so reviews on products and stuff may be biased 😅if you're into that thing may i suggest checking out tolarian community college 😉
Okay thx
If you're truly new, I suggest the EDH stats episodes by them (command zone).
Part 1:
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Welcome to mtg! I hope you've got a big enough wallet, you're gonna need one!
@@derekwalter4238 bro, just use proxies. Proxy + basic land+ sleeve = $ 10 for ANY DECK
Enjoyed the episode - very informative!
But would also like to see 4 player commander episodes! Perhaps every week? Love em!
11:12 AND Shrieking Drake has SWEET Ian Miller artwork!!
Good episode but you missed a golden pun moment at 3:43 ... "you have to pick a chu-Lane and run with it..."
Just picked this deck up for myself at Walmart for $20 plus discount.
Got my boyfriend the esper one.
Can’t wait to upgrade them to EDH!
Overburden is great with chulane because you can tap your land for Mana in response to the trigger. With lands like ancient tomb or Temple of forgotten gods you can essentially ritual yourself up to 8 or 10 Mana a turn.
Just picked this pre-con up today at the local Barnes and Noble, was the last Wild Bounty they had. I was totally shocked to see it in stock as not even my locals has been able to get the Wild Bounty pre-con back in stock since it launched.
I'm so excited to build Chulane!
Great channel, love the podcast, keep it up!
Roon of the Hidden Realm, Portal of Sanctuary, Curators Ward, and Winds of Abandon might be handy for the Commander build. Two extra bounces, protection for Chulane, and an extra board wipe.
Plus if you bounce Chulane with Portal while he's warded you draw two cards and dodge commander tax.
With mulldrifter and chulane you can respond to the ETB and bounce it. So you could evoke and bounce for 6 instead of paying 8 for the hard cast and bounce
Switching Roon out for this card as my commander in my Primal Surge deck. Excited for it!
Seeing the suggestions, it almost makes me want to combine my Roon deck and my Tatyova deck lol
Karametra is just stupid good in this deck
Yeah I agree I guess the only downside is karametra only allows you to get forest or Plains but it's still stupidly good
@@Tass807 but she can also grab dual lands like breeding pool, hallowed fountain etc.
Yoooo, u right.
Ephara goes along nicely, too.
@@NickTBrick agreed, Ephara is way understated as a God. She would be so sweet in a deck that can focus on Flash mechanics and just continuously benefit from doing what you already want to do, but better.
Whoah, so Shrieking Drake and Overburden with Chulane lets you draw your whole deck. That's pretty cool.
I love this, doing basically the same thing I was already going to do with chulane.. except I did not see the interaction with abundance, that's nuts. Also shrieking drake and mana breach draws your whole deck?
So long as you have two islands or blue sources, pretty much yep.
Seb Mckinnon gets better with every set and his art is so beautiful. The art of the playmat reminds me of the life from his movies.
Great deck tuning episode.
Storm Caludron is also good with Chulane...add in Shrieking Drake to draw your entire library.
Looking forward to seeing what you do with Alela, Artful Provocatuer. There's a few gameplans Alela lends herself to. I've gone Voltron Equipped myself, seeing lots of others going anthem/prison. Haven't seen anyone go the black heavy Gravepact/Dictate/Attrition build yet.
Brawl is still dead, but hey we sort of have two Commander Christmas this year
If they keep making brawl decks then well have christmas every three months
@@Tagurich did they say they're gonna make decks for every set?
@@ApexZer0 idk sort of assumed. Be weird if they didnt
Tagurich it’d be weird if they did, that’d be way too many precons and people would get annoyed. It’s much more likely they do it at each rotation period as the cards will be legal for as long as possible. It’d be pretty bad if you bought s precon and you couldn’t use those cards in three months
@@Tagurich you know that would cost them a ton to make the decks and with brawls track record so far it doesn't seem like something theyed shove a ton of money into
13:55 -----> Jimmy remembers dying to josh' A. Reservoir (in the "easy way"... )
Conduit of Ruin and Vedalkan Orrery go together pretty well
I picked up the brawl deck and the upgrades, and switched a couple cards where I could with my own collection (itlimoc, some lands) and it's been a really fun deck to play! Not so great for my opponent when I draw five or six cards per turn
Needs bounce lands, Selesnya Sanctuary/Azorius Chancery/Simic Growth Chamber. Cheap, helps keep your hand full of lands to drop, combos great with Peregrine Drake etc.
I’ve tested out landfall triggers. They also work pretty well.
I have very much enjoyed your content on basic templating for Commander. How much of that advice will be relevant in Brawl given the smaller deck size and limited card pool?
They mentioned it in the video about halfway: deck is 60% of the size, their recommendations are 60% of what they are from their commander template
Do a video like this for the Faerie Schemes deck next
if you like peregrine drake and cloud of faeries wouldn't stuff like memnite and ornithopter be really good too? Obviously you get less utility out of your lands but you can play them the same turn you play chulane.
Haha I started using abundance and it is hella amazing especially if you draw even just one more card a turn. The drawback of revealing cards isn't that bad imo, but it depends on if you reveal Craterhoof compared to Opt. Players will want to kill you more if you are running a powerhouse. I'd still use it because having enough interaction and boardstate tends to compensate for that.
Is it possible the best verion of the deck might be a cheerios/outcome/rez combo?
This is exactly the video I was hoping you'd make, can't wait for all 4!
I want this card as my commander just for the artwork alone.
Why I dont find any sol ring in the upgrade
Hatebears are a go for me and my build!
Question. How do you guys categorize counter spells? I usually make two categories of card draw & mana ramp which I want 20 of total, and then interactions & answers which include counter spells, single target removal and board wipes. I can't do 20 of those tho, so I usually settle for around 4 of each giving me 12 answer & interaction cards. Would you consider counter spells to be part of the removal category? Or should that be part of my "main plan / good stuff" category? Am I selling myself short on removal since a counterspell is useless if I draw it and the threat is already on board?
Depends on your meta and specific deck. I have few critical counters, and they are that... for critical moments; also, do they just counter? or does it have some other effect... Base on that and asjust (I mean counter surveil, counter deal damage, counter scry... exile, delve, pay x and such i do not mix with other categories as much)
I include counterspells in a disruption category along with single target removal (and sometimes stuff like tap effects). My goal is 10 disruption, 5 board wipes. Depends on your meta for sure though.
@@diegopicchetto5250 good point, I guess something like spell swindle could count as mana ramp.
@@englishmuffinpizzas that's sorta similar to my set up. I guess the biggest concern I have is that counter spells don't help against existing threats. So maybe they should only count as half a card if you're including it amongst your disruption effects?
The amount of interaction you run is always going to be meta dependent because your interaction is to deal with what your opponents are doing. So naturally your answers work best when they properly match the threats you need to deal with. I play weekly at my LGS and rarely ever play with the same pod twice. That might be why I really undervalue counterspells and most single target removal in commander. Counterspells are best for dealing with big spell wincons like torment of hailfire or primal surge as they are often the only way to do so. However there are glen elendra and frontline medic and a few others. I prefer single removal that is able to hit a wide range of targets like chaos warp or beast within, or versatile like charms or confluences, or recurring or repeatable like royal assassin or Mangara of Corondor. Board wipes are a great way to answer threats but not always a good way to win the game. Try to find ones that are as asymmetrical as possible don’t run more than you think you really need unless you like 4+ hour games or hate your friends.
I'm excited for the Alela deck.
I have a good topic for commander podcast. Tokens what you use in any game of commander. What to have in stock and what not?
Would love to upgrade mine, but I am not paying that much for a brawl deck. Especially now that is being scalped
Walmart baby
@@bbqseitan7106 we'll see. They been on top of it as well last year
I am going to upgrade all the decks in the way you explained in your video’s, except I’m going to switch 25 of the 160 (4x40) old cards for newer cards. I’m into the cards with black rounded corners on the bottom. So about 5 years old max. Is this a thing people do, or do you think it’s weird and limiting too much potential? I’m a starting mtg player and I want to introduce friends to the game and introduce them to EDH with the mentioned pool restrictions. What do you think about this everything?
WotC please print more of these decks!
Bought one today at walmart for $20 going to build my first commander deck based on it.
Went 6-0 with the Chulane deck during the Arena event, and half the games I didn't even cast him. It just seemed like you could ramp and protect your threats better than the other three decks.
I have really funny feeling that chulane decks are really going to get along with my bois "vaevictis asmadi", myojin of infinite rage, terastodon and tectonic hellion :v
I found chulane very good with the elf lizard wizard that can counter spells
I love using Sylvan Library and Abundance. Since you don't pay the 4 life per card with Sylvan.
Are these decks sold out before they even came out?
Wow, seems like a good evaluation of the deck for Brawl.
You guys should have marketed it as that, not just a Brawl to Commander video.
I alredy build and reserved chulane's brawl deck, im just waiting for the release
Nice!!! Want the dragon! :)
Next gameknights may be brawl? Seems more than likely.
Seems like a good group hug commander
If you are playing Overburden and Mana Breach, you definietly should be playing the full mean package with Sunder and Storm Cauldron as well
The current price is so disappointing. Would love to buy these.
WIZARDS OF THE COAST stop releasing so many decks a year. Look at these 2 they look exhausted 😅 Love you guys thank you for always doing these videos
The brawl decks were on arena like a week ago? why the "secrecy"?
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, Undiscovered Paradise, Ghost Town
When do these come out?
Awesome video you guys
Intruder alarm and every mana dork ever printed
I hate you and Chualne.
Cloudstone curio for maximum fuckery
Bant Ball, yes plz
Aluren and Man-o-war, draw till you hit Lab Man, win.
@@Armyofnave Increase the fuckery with Stoneseeder Hierophant and Panharmonicon! :D
Here's an interaction I've been pondering, if you cast Gilded Drake and you put the etb on the stack can you bounce drake with Chulane and still steal a creature?
No, you can't make an exchange unless both things can be exchanged.
A question for the community: their list suggests adding Field of the Dead. The text for that land says "... create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token". Is it legal to create a token that is a color not portrayed in your commander?
Yes it is legal. Tokens would suck if you couldnt
Chulane can be nuts with Cloudstone curio and cheerio creatures such as memnite and ornithopter as well asany other creature that is similar, give chulane creature reduction and he can get your entire deck onto the field
(P.s. Note cheerio creatures refers to 0 cmc creature spells, if anyone wanted to know)
(P.s.s. Cmc stands for converted mana cost, the amount in the top right corner)
do you guys have two perviews or the website i'm using is wrong?
Chulane was spoiled a while back, along with arcane signet
@@spencerhansen2927 that was not my question, my question was if they had another spoiler card, the website i used sayed they had another spoiler for today, i was asking if it was truth
Hey JLK and Jimmy, recently my friend who was a pretty big fan of yours had passed away unexpectedly. He would talk to my group of friends sometimes about your guys podcasts and such. You don’t have to answer or even look at this comment but his services will be held this upcoming Wednesday and afterwards we will be holding a draft in his name and doing a little send off by burning all of our pulls. It would be more than awesome if either if not both of you would come to either or both those events. If you can’t but would still like to help out please send his parents some flowers. I believe that will make them happy. Thank you, Gabe.
Muldrifter is an enter the battlefield effect and chulane is a cast effect.... you don't draw three and play a land. You draw one and play a land then you two more.
Maybe its not the right place to ask, but will there be another episode of "Extra Turns". really liked that kind of gameplay and wonder if the project got cancelled or you guys are just to busy to continue at the moment.
I want the Alela deck tech sooooo bad!!!
I can't wait for the knight one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so chulane is gonna love a vannifar chain into karmic guide + reveilark combo to get back untappers to pod up to deadeye + peregrin combo ;)
also ramp with dorks & drop a village bellringer to make infinite mana as soon as ur dorks can tap for 7 or more (village bellringer also part of vannifar chain wink wink)
flash hulk can also be a thing
bellringer also infinite chulane trigger when dorks can tap for 6 mana or more so can draw out ur deck & play all ur lands
So excited for chulane! I already built a infinite combo persistant petitioners deck. It goes infinite 6 different ways ;)
Plus, if you wanted persistant petitioners it they can be used in standard and just run mill in general ;)
Overburden + Field of the Dead is actually a bit of a non-bo. You get extra dudes from Chulane accelerating your lands but your zombies also trigger Overburden without triggering Chulane. So if you play a creature, you'll draw and drop a land, then you'll bounce a land and get a zombie, then bounce another land from the zombie. Plus your normal land drop for each turn will get you a zombie and make you bounce a land. Basically, you'll never be able to go up in lands unless you're not at Field's threshold. Other players can still go up on lands if they don't cast creatures, so I don't think the combo goes much in your favor unless you're close to winning and a few extra zombo-tokens will do the trick.
That is incorrect, Overburden only triggers off of nontoken creatures. Check the oracle text.
Nick McCarron Functional errata? In my MTG!? Lol thanks for letting me know. Was going by the version of the card they showed on screen but you are correct.
I sooo want to build this guy in commander
Name is pronounced like Cullen. It's an alternate spelling of Chulain, an Irish legendary figure.
Bruh the people who made this brawl set pronounce it as chulane. Its not hullan. Stop spreading this.
@@KevinNguyen-zd1kg And they'd also probably say your name is pronounced Nigooyen.
I kinda wanna go full degen with chulane and go alluren combo
That sounds great. Find those 3 CMC good creatures.
Um Actually! Mana Breach says plays which has been errata'd to be cast so you can stack that and the Chulane trigger in a way so that you bounce one of your lands and then put it out again.
Got my 6ft playmat of throne of Eldraine
Sooooo happy my store had all 4 decks for $113 CAD taxes included lol and I pre-ordered all 4 tehehehe
Please do one for Syr Gwyn as well!
When can we see you guys play the brawl decks on game nights?
Yes Jimmy we all saw what happened when you guys did that. The price of Paradox Engine skyrocketed and it eventually got banned 🤫.
I think chulane would be a decent morph commander.
Quirion Ranger + Retraction Helix or Banishing Knack
Why would I pay $45 for a brawl deck?
Supply and demand but, i agree thats high.
I would like a 5 color brawl deck for 5 color niv mizzet
No mention of Aluren. The best card for this deck IMO.
Also Oboro Palace in the Clouds, Undiscovered Paradise, and Ghost Town.
Storm Cauldron is another good land bouncer. Aura shards is a good removal piece.
Karametra will be good in casual metas. Hatebears in competitive metas.
I'm going to try out a Bant Oops all 1-drop Creatures build just for fun. :)
ShilohandKimberly Jessop Aluren is for the Cedh version that just combos out. Command Zone decklists are normally for more casual play.
They said at the start of the episode they were trying to keep the deck pretty cheap-ish, and aluren is 30$
I thought his second ability was supposed to be used for reusing adventures
It can be used for both. But it's more valuable to use etb since we don't have Adventures that are like bonkers crazy.
Maybe bouncing back a counter adventure. But still not too great.
Erm... I guess those are not released worldwide?
Where the f are those preconstructed brawler decks?!
Not that I need or want them... but are they US only or something?
Overburden + Chulane.
Tap Blue land
cast Shrieking Drake,
Overburden Triggers: bounce tapped Blue mana source
Chulane triggers: draw a card and play a Blue mana source untapped,
Shrieking Drake etb: Targets itself to bounce,
Tap Blue mana source, Cast Shrieking Drake, you now have a loop with the blue land in your hand so you can draw your whole deck
Is Overburden a cast trigger?
STONE-SEEDER HIEROPHANT
You read here first
A REAL powerhouse with Chulane
I prefer Lotus Cobra. But might try out Stone-Seeder too.