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- Now is NOT the time for panic regarding the 2018 Goldwing Steering Spindle issue.
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Don't strap your Goldwing down by the handlebars, Honda doesn't want you to use them for a reason.
Max is just trying to sell a product like any salesman, nothing he sells is mandatory to keep your Goldwing safe to ride. Ive got several customers over 30k miles and one over 40k miles an they haven't had any issues related to any steering/suspension problems.
You are correct. Max (Traxxion Dynamics) has put out a video showing it’s ok to tie down using the handle bars. He may have taken it down not sure. He lost me a long time ago. He put a video out about checking the oil. He was just bad mouthing Honda. Max in my opinion never read the book.
@@douglascassetty6553 You are right. M. McA. has come up with one or two valid points but a lot of what he puts out is bad just mouthing Honda to sell his own products, often solutions to problems that don't really exist IMO. He lost me a long time ago as well.
@@douglascassetty6553 The video is still on line. My CZcams through it up in the recommnded list today. I was tempted to leave a comment but resisted :)
Ian Nicholson yes I found it again. Sent link to Cruisemansgarage wanted him to see it.
Max sells all sorts of things to fix problems that never existed
Today (9/19) was a beautiful day to ride in Massachusetts-low 60's all day. I enjoy your videos and gained some valuable insight from them. Keep up the good work!
Be very careful who you take advice from. I've consulted with Aerospace Engineers and Metallurgist on this issue, and I know a thing or two about aluminum fatigue cracking. This issue is real. I'd like to know what credentials or experience Cruiseman has with design, stress loading, or any mechanical training of any kind that he has.
What Do you recommended to do about the issue?
I’ve never put strain of the handlebars while getting on or off any bike I’ve owned. And I agree with you that when I sit on this bike it does want to “right” itself. It would definitely be helpful if Honda would have a company liaison of sorts communicate with you and through you to answer some questions and concerns. Enjoy that weather and safe riding, Chris.
I can't imagine any 2018+ Goldwing rider mounting the bike and immediately not noticing that something is wrong with the steering. Max is a smart man and I take him seriously when he talks about the mechanics of the Goldwing, but after viewing all that Max has done on this issue, it's my opinion that the sky is not falling as Max would have you believe. Right after seeing him exaggerate the stress between the handlebars and the spindle just to get the bike off its kickstand, I have to think that he doesn't know how to mount a bike. For me, I got on my bike this morning and realized, as I automatically went through the motions, that I don't stress the spindle at all when I mount the bike and stand it up. What I'm doing is sitting down and pushing my hip up with my left leg. It's my legs gripping the seat that translates the push of my leg to my bike and raising it to the vertical position. I put no stress whatsoever on the handlebars. My grip on the handlebars is a light touch just for guidance. For me, I was told the day I bought my 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT two and a half years ago not to ever tie the bike down by hitching straps to the handlebars. Since then, I, and every Goldwing rider who follow Goldwing groups online, see that point repeated. If indeed the sky was falling, I think we would have seen many more handlebar-stressing-the-spindle events online, yet we aren't really hearing about it until now, nearly three years after the introduction of the redesigned 2018 model. I think the important takeaway from Max's video is to check handlebar play after the bike has hit the ground or has been involved in any event that pushed against and stressed the handlebars. For me, because my hands are on the handlebars as my body raises the bike to vertical, I would immediately sense if the handlebars were no longer anchored to the spindle. I can't imagine any rider not noticing that. But, Max is right in saying that the spindle is a weak point. But, lets not create manipulative black-and-white flash-backs of people getting frustrated trying to make a salad the old-fashioned way when they can solve all their problems with the new veg-o-matic (pictures now in color) to enjoy salad bliss.
I think Max likes to sell products.
I think he points a real problem but easy to avoid. Don't use the handle as a lever and everything is going to be ok.
Update** -> I took my 2018 DCT to the dealer last week bc of loose handle bars. There is a service bulletin, SB-1. When they opened up my bike to inspect the center spindle, they found it did not have the washer with a locking tabs. They installed the tab washer, torqued to the new spec per SB-1, and I had my bike back the next day. The nut had been backing itself off. I had just over 7500 miles on it in 11 months. Pretty sketchy for a Honda to let that go out the factory door.
Short of a recall by Honda, my feeling is that the steel replacement spindle and pin is a good idea, just to ride worry-free....and that's the way I like to ride.
2019 Tour, no buzzing. Not worried about the spindle either. Enjoy your videos!
Thank you, I'm sure a lot of people went in a panic, I ride and I'm comfortable with my 2018 tour.
I have installed the Goldstrike frame mounted tie down brackets and they work well. I don’t feel using the handle bars as a tie down point is a good idea and is why I installed the frame brackets.
Chris I think you did a good job on this video you’re spot on. People should not panic people also need to understand why it’s a hollow spindle and even why it’s made of aluminum I won’t go into all that but Honda engineering is very good as you said on the video flex and movement need to be engineered to certain areas of the motorcycle certainly steering would be one of them there is not been one failure that I’m aware of of a spindle cracking and breaking the 2018 over torque issue is being dealt with there is a bulletin as you have said for the 2018 Goldwing thanks for the video. Max is putting fear into people. I trust Honda. P. S. People I love the Maintenance video’s Cruisemansgarage has produced. I do all my own work. Videos and the manual made learning how to removed panels and do the work so easy.
Bottom line, how many failures have there been? Max has a history of inventing non-existent problems on Goldwings in order to sell a fix. I usually take his opinions with a grain of salt.
I had a buzzing noise on my 2018 DCT Tour. It came from raising the wind vent above the display. I locked it back down and never heard it again.
Would like to know how to connect the cb up to Bluetooth Sena 50R
I bought the tie down bracket from GoldStrike. They were very easy to install and well worth the money.
Don’t think the spindle issue is about cost or weight.......engineering miss. Address it Honda
Buzzing: I have noticed a slight buzz if my front vent is open. Never at low speed, but I haven’t noticed a specific rpm.
Gold Strike tie downs: I have them and like them. Not very expensive and I don’t have to fiddle with the tipover bar covers, and they are very convenient for use on a bike lift. I have NEVER tied down to the handlebars, and never will. Don’t panic was a good title for this one. Thx. 31,000 trouble free miles on my ‘18.
I dropped the 303 stainless steel pin into the spindle just for peace of mind. Not sure if I need to replace the entire aluminum spindle with steel.
I have that same "bump" or play in the bars of my 2021 DCT non-tour. Guess I'm headed to the dealer.....
When I originally picked up my 2019 Goldwing from the dealer and rode it home, I noticed an intermittent noise coming from the front of the bike. It got worse and worse until I was convinced the front wheel bearings were about to fail. I finally twigged that the noise was coming from the speakers and I was just picking up static on my untuned radio! Doh!
Maybe you should send a video about this issue to M. McA. I'm sure he can come up with a solution to this problem at a very reasonable(?) price.
Is this issue in 2020 model??!
let me say this : from a technical (or engineering) point of view Max is right. BUT.... except the guy who strapped his GW on the handlebars for towing on a trailer, there is not a single reported failure or crack of a spindle worldwide on the new 2018+ GW. This is pure hypothetical. If it would be a problem, Honda would have reacted, that's for sure. Also this Service Bulletin apparently only exists in North America. Honda-Europe has no information about a wrong Torque-Spec and there is no Service Bulletin about this problem in Europe. Meanwhile this discussion seems a bit bizarre to me.
It would be nice if it was hypothetical but the strapped down bike shows it's a reality. What we don't know is how long it will take this failure to occur under normal circumstances. But since it happened once under stress the issue is no longer hypothetical. And given the severity of the issue then it's not unreasonable to think something needs to be done. Maybe not immediately but certainly at some time.
I completely agree with you. I have racked up around 10,000 miles on my 2018 Goldwing (first registered 2019) over here in the UK. I haven't had even a sniff of any of the problems highlited by M. McA. and haven't heard of anyone else over here complaining of them either. (Let's face it some of the issues he has raised have been rather petty to say the least). I don't have any play in my handlebar/steering arrangement at all and haven't done at any time since I've had the bike. Any component in any machine can fail if it is overstressed, especially in an inappropriate direction, and I'm thinking that is what was done when this particular bike was strapped down by the handlebars. It might well be that this spindle could have been better designed and Honda might update it but I really don't think there is anything at all to worry about if you use the bike as it was intended to be used.
Rainer.. You Stole Some Of My Thunder :-) Max is a Great Guy.. In fact, I just purchased a Glovebox Lock from him.. BUT, Max is a "SUPER SALESPERSON" He reminds me of those "Home Warranty" sales people! Fear.. He's taking one A Typical Event and is about to make a FORTUNE on everyone's fear. If this is going to happen, it's going to happen while you are stopped and lifting the bike up PERIOD.. Not out on the road taking turns or in a straight line.. but hey, if you want to drop money on this.. Go For It ! My 2020 DCT is staying the way Honda Built It.
@@sugarray4831 Also that's what I think . I hadn't said that yet but after you mentioned this topic and also Ian Nicholson stated his opinion, I think this is to make business with the fear. Max has great products and I also made the Shock Upgrade which is fine for me but not really necessary fo everybody. The standard suspension is not that bad. But to start long-winded explanations about hypothetically broken spindels and thereafter selling his upgraded products because people start panicking about loosing control of their bikes is not fair. In my opinion that's a little bit too much. And besides strapping the bike on the handlebars (which is absolutely stupid) the theory of fatigue failure of the spindle because you are dragging your handlebars over the years in order to get your bike upright from the Sidestand is....B... excuse me a "Sales -Argument". We have a specialized dealer here who only works on GoldWings. He has never seen GW's with shaky handlebars or symptoms which you can see in Max's videos.
Aluminum is ductile and will not break easyly like that unless it's an alloy plus it's hollow. if you drop the bike aluminum will bend first
Cruiseman: I’m wondering what you’re 2018 owner’s manual says about transporting your bike. I’m not sure if the US pocket manual is different but my Canadian manual makes no specific mention of what not to do. If your’s does please state the page number. Thanks
I stand corrected - it does mention never to tow your motorcycle with a wheel or wheels on the ground - I obviously get that.
Why would you ignore a potential safety issue simply because the manufacturer has a reputation for engineering? Many companies known for engineering have been found liable even neglectful in manufacturing and design. From airbags to catalytic converters to fuel lines and everything outside, inside and in between.
I certainly never suggested that this should be ignored. In fact, to reduce stress on the spindle, I think it is a good idea for some riders to modify how they get their bike off the side stand, if necessary. I never pull up on the left handlebar to get the bike centered.
Honda should send out a recall and replace the spindle with stainless steel.
Thanks Cruiseman for your level headed thoughts on this issue. As soon as Max has the stainless steel replacement for the aluminum stock steering head unit, I’m buying.
Me too.
Oh BS try to mount and lift a goldwing off the stand "with out touching any thing with your hands".
Aluminum has a finite "flex" cycle life, thans why there is no such thing as spring aluminum but we have all heard of spring steel.
Steel sub the plastic limit does not have a finite cycle life.
The spindle is made out of aircraft aluminium- the use of stainless steel spindle will develop stress fractures and worse it will transfer the stress load lower down the steering spindle ie lower bearing.that so called “safety pin “ would not stop loss of steering control.
It might be helpful if you can grab some video from a dealer about how the bikes are tied down for crating from the factory.
The bew Wings are strapped to the lower bars behind the valve covers and to the frame under the seat in the crates.
I may have some video of my bike in the crate. I will look for it.
I’m looking for a couple of things. Helmets. What kind of helmet do you have. I can see it’s an HJC, what model. I like the visor and does the neck part come up? and a non inexpensive, I didn’t want to say cheap😊 Bluetooth headset for me and my rider. Thank you. I really enjoy your videos. Oh one other thing is a trailer. Thank you
I have a SyMax III and an IS-MAX II.
Doesn't matter how you do it or how anyone else does it - components need to be engineered for the worst case scenario - period. Failure on Honda's part for this one . . .
Not Spending $32.000 on Junk
The pin Max developed is $19...he’s not making a ton of money off this...it’s a legit concern....it’s not like your steering will fall off randomly, but bringing awareness to an issue, which is real, isn’t the problem, poor engineering is. Most recalls are for a small percentage of failures...he’s not wrong.
It’s a load of 💩. Let’s see how that bike that started this whole thing was tied down. I like Traxxion stuff but the sky is not falling. I have no issues with my 2018.
True, the sky is not falling, but Max does make a valid point about the potential for failure.
Can a "Never drive a heavy bike" Drive this Goldwing?
Absolutely yes. If you can already ride, have the right skills and use all the correct techniques you will be fine. I am only 5' 6" tall and weigh 145lbs but have no problems at all with my 2018 Wing.
I wonder if Honda will react to this..but from Honda's past behavior I doubt it it unless some is killed because of a spindle failure..
with the safety recalls with the 01 to 04 model where the lower crossmember was breaking and the bike would fall to the ground, Honda tried to claim it wasn't a safety issue..it was only after NHSA said yes it was that Honda issued the recalls for the issue.
then with the same models there was the frame cracks in the rear triangle of the frame down the the passenger floorboards that Honda never admitted too...Honda knew about that issue in 2003 and never said a word to anybody but quietly redesigned the frame in mid 04...but the rear triangle has in the extreme cases broken off completely with some 01 to 04 models yet Honda let unsuspecting owners of the 01 to 04 models ride the bike with passangers with frame cracks without saying a word to anybody...Honda didnt even advise their dealers to inpect those models when they came in for service...shame on Honda for not caring about their customers safety.
Honda has never commented on any of my videos.
@@cruisemansgarage I meant if Honda will react to this steering stem failure that is being talked about so much
@@frankward8003 Ahh, OK. I see what you meant.
So if you drop your bike while parking or moving while stopped. You have to Break your handlebars off to get it back up if you are by yourself ?.
I was going to buy a new 2020 or 21. But NOT NOW..
Seems like buying a grenade with a loose pin. Never know when it might fall out. That is a great point about not being able to raise the bike up by the handle bars if it goes down. Pretty much means it is down for the count. So happy we decided to get a Gen 1 wing. So far, no troubles, no worries.
I have dropped Goldwings before and picked them back up. NEVER have I used the handlebars as the point of energy to raise the bike. Crouch down facing away from the bike, back into the seat and push with the legs. Sure, I hold the handlebars and pull to keep the bike steady, but the main power to lift the bike comes from my legs, not my arms.
@@cruisemansgarage Still just the act of the bike falling, and the bars hitting the ground could do damage. I think Max McAllister's video had some valid points. Watching that spindle flex gives me nightmares. Aluminum with threads makes for the perfect fatigue, and fracture zone. I think the steel spindle idea would be peace of mind to Goldwing Riders, and to Honda. I would hope that Honda would offer it as an upgrade, or recall.
At least it is good that the 18+ Goldwing riders are being made aware of the issue.
Come on Cruiseman. This is a serious design/engineering issue, not something for idle debate and unqualified opinion. The headstock on a 2018+ is clearly a weak link which over an undetermined period of time is at risk of failure. Is that at 1000 miles, 10,000, 100,000, who knows, maybe never. But sure as heck you don't want to be on it if/when it fails. If we were talking about a potentially suspect tyre or break line none of us would think twice about doing something about it. Never mind about blinging up a Goldwing with countless, and expensive, accessories that you really don't need. Max's safety pin could be the best $20 a 2018+ rider ever spends on their bike. And by the way guys, don't forget to mention the headstock to anyone you're about to give a ride to.
Does anyone know if Honda has permanently corrected the issue on newer models by using steel instead of aluminum?
Tim, there is no evidence that there is a safety issue. The only known cases of a spindle suffering damage is from improperly using the handlebars as a tie down point.
@@cruisemansgarage Thank you. Have you ever done a review of your onboard tool kit and what you carry?
@@Tim.Traveler That is one of the videos on my list to do!
Bottom line: Steer clear from '18!!
You know what it sounds like Honda isn't taking pride in building a great motorcycle anymore and my mind is made up I am going to buy a 2021 Indian roadmaster limited instead of a Honda goldwing touring 💀
Update from Max on September 19, 2020. You are probably wondering why not just make the fix out of a solid piece of metal and not just a SS tube? Max addresses that: "A solid shaft is not significantly more crack resistant that one with a bore. Once a crack forms on the edge of the shaft or in a thread, it will propagate through anything, even a solid shaft. My goal is to make a shaft that is far less likely to crack, but with a parachute that can't fail in case anything goes wrong." By parachute he means the SS pin he still uses with his SS tube.
first one from saudia arabia
Chris, would you be willing to contact Goldstrike and see if you can arrange a group purchase discount code for us? I almost pulled the trigger on them yesterday after having to trailer mine in, they sure would make it easy. I just couldn't bring myself to do it at $62 with shipping, I was sitting here thinking about them when you posted this video. With 26,600 subscribers you could probably help sell quite a few, might even score a set for yourself for free and you could do an install video.
recall would have been issued IF that spindle is a safety issue? I'm not surprised they HONDA haven't took legal action YET!
Max wants to sell parts...expensive parts.
another reason not to buy the new goldwing
Another issue with the new wing, Honda needs to do much better ,
Cruiseman, thanks for the update. I sent my friend Max's video just recently and he replied that he's been aware of this issue for sometime. When he was in Wisconsin visiting this summer, his brother-in-law, who is a machinist at Boeing, duplicated the part for him out of titanium, without the hole thru the middle. Besides being much stronger, it is considerably lighter.
The downside is that he paid over $900 for the titanium billet. If I find out anymore information, I'll pass it on to you.
Global Warming is why its unseasonably Cool, thats why. LOL....
The proper name is Climate Change. For a reason.
Are you sure that you want to say that the bike "wants to right itself" when you are seated on it - even if you slide your butt way off to the right side of the seat?
yes its a good comment. presenter is a nice guys buts its simply not true. it may "Feel" like you dont pull hard to get the bike off the stand. But there is a reason handlebars are securely bolted to the triple tree upper plate.
has anyone recommend using aluminum screws for your handelbars?
Honda Japan is lying, the aluminum is weak, and I don't feel safe driving a Honda Gold Wing
That might be going a bit too far. I have not heard Honda comment on this at all, so I don't know that they are lying about anything.
This should not happen! WTF
Bmw K1600 is the best 🥰
🤔 still not good 😎🏍💨💨💨💨🇨🇦👍🏻 shame on Honda not good.