2024 Australian Grand Prix Race Review | P1 Podcast
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Carlos Sainz once again was the driver to capitalise on a rare F1 weekend without a Max Verstappen victory. We discuss what's next for Carlos, if Ferrari made the right choice for 2025 and whether the race was any good.
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Underrated? No.
I'd say underappreciated. He's been incredibly consistent and is incredibly good at stepping up when Red Bull makes mistakes. He's the only non-Red Bull driver to win since 2022, and yet, he's constantly written off as a secondary driver by Ferrari and by the F1 media bubble
Always felt that Ferrari hyped Charles too much over Carlos.
Because his performance in 2022 has a large part to do with it.
Winning the odd race is irrelevant as Sainz isn’t consistent throughout the season. And when he had a car capable of challenging RB he was beaten by Mercedes.
Perfectly said
@@LednacekZ well he is the golden boy carlos deserve better
@@paperplane-db8qf I think anyone can have an off season for many reasons, I would not label Hamilton washed for his first season alongside Russell, or Alonso for being beaten by Ocon. But yeah 2022 is a bit of a spot in an otherwise pretty white tshirt.
Planned or not, the 55 minutes duration for the video is a great tribute for Carlos' win.
Hopefully they don't continue that tradition, or else for the rest of the season the podcasts will be only 1 minute long 😂
@@billgross1719Charles wins and we get 16 mins of Matt crying 😂
@@billgross1719or an hour ;)
Get Giovinazzi in for the 99 minute podcast
I don't care who drives for ferrari I just want to hear their engineers singing the national anthem every week. That was insane
Always was my favourite part of a Ferrari win.
That was the best moment of the morning.
They were so hype
Carlos was pulling 10 secs away from Charles within 15 laps. That was impressive
Leclerc had older tyres but it was his fault for ghosting in quali for the first time in a while.
Yes, because Charles was in Dirty air and his tires started graining after two Laps
mate 5 laps wont make a diff of .8 seconds a lap @@OnurP1
That was a man determined not to get undercut by his team pitting his team-mate to hold off Norris.
Yeah indeed, to be honest the race was just as boring as with Max leading the race. Instead of Max we had Carlos doing the Max thing... Controlling the lead.
If not for the DNF we would at least had 3 or 4 laps of excitement between Max and Carlos. Maybe upto the first pits stop.
Fun fact, the last 2 Ferrari wins were not from Charles.
the last 3!
@@1realmadridrockswrong austria 2022 was charles 🤦🏼♂️
@@SasukeUchiha-ms3ttdamn bro ur right even i was like wtf
Sainz has the same amount of wins as Charles since both have been teammates lol
Smooth Operator > Overrated Crybaby
Matt begs for Ferrari to get a 1-2 and the second they do, Matts like “It would be nice if Verstappen didn’t retire.”
When you're a secret Fanstappen
@@8tonystark8 I think it's more that people will astrisk Ferrari's P1-2 win because of Max's DNF. Had he won with Max still running, it would end that talk.
One thing I noticed immediately was that Max Verstappen was UNABLE to stretch the lead beyond DRS within the first two laps. This gave me hope that this race could be different. It's still too early to ask if off-track distractions at Red Bull are causing on-track performance to suffer. But if such things continue, that question will start to become louder and more pressing.
The answer is easy, Sainz was ahead...
@@InterestedAmerican And that happend because of 1 reason and everyone knows it.
I love the point you made about Carlos being raised up instead of Leclerc being pushed down. Absolutely agree. The F1 community can sometimes be incredibly toxic, and fans get incredibly mad if you make comparisons with their favorite drivers. Carlos being a great driver does not make Leclerc a bad driver. They can both be great, and they are, with different strengths and weaknesses.
exactly my thoughts
The problem isn't that Charles is a bad driver. Of course he isn't. But Charles has been at Ferrari for a good while now and yet he doesn't have the things that I have seen from other lead drivers. He's too submissive to the team. Carlos behaves more like a lead driver than Leclerc does. If you know, you know.
Yeah people forget that Charles was on Carlos' pace. His problem is that he's a little passive with overtaking. Carlos isn't
To be fair carlos has a luck start of this season
@@swim4757not a problem
The problem is people underrate aspects of driver, people undermine Leclerc's consistency and Sainz's pace. Also when one does good its like a ocean of love while the other get's "overrated".
There is no balance
Facts.
I always rated Carlos higher than Charles anyway but seeing them squirm with the possibility that Carlos might actually be that good was kinda cringey.
@@PiousMoltar They have driven together for now in their 4th year. Sainz has only started to actually match and beat Lec on pure pace in Monza of 2023 followed by Singapore, then Lec went on a 8 race in a row dominance. Now again Sainz out drove Lec in Australia but it wasn't as lopsided as people are acting like. Being stuck behind Norris and having to pit early to undercut then always being on 10 lap older tires than Carlos and in dirty air most of the race is what most the pace difference was. Sainz is a great driver and glad he is now on the pace of Lec but this season has been nothing more than 1-1 each cuz we are not gonna act like in Bahrain Lec wouldn't have finished P3 without the brake issue he had.
The only thing consistent with leclerc are his mistakes
@@filipecardozo Thats delusion and people blowing things out of proportion. I bet Sainz has crashed out and made more mistakes at Ferrari than Lec has when they were both there. Driver errors, not car issues. People like to overblown Lec mistakes as if its a real issue. Its not, and it wasn't in 2022, car reliability and strategy errors were his issues. People like to make a narrative up in their head and once they are set on it they are nearly impossible to change their mind.
Easier to trick a fool than convince him he's been fooled. You are a fool for believing the narrative that Lec is mistake-prone.
@@filipecardozoy ofc getting fifth place in qualy is a mistake for leclerc and a saturday for carlos
Doesn't matter what Logan does tbh.
He could have got P11 and you're absolutely correct, everyone would just say "Albon would of done better".
There's literally nothing he could have done in Australia.
Leclerc has 7 points more than the person who literally was in a hospital during one of the races. Sainz is second only to Max in results.
Yes 😊
Classic sainz fans getting all worked up for the 1st half of the season just for in the end of the season be going "Yeah he finished 7th, but he was the only one to win a race beside redbull"
Its been 3 races calm down
Sainz is a top 5 driver. Pretending he isn't is stupid. @@Kaigu_b.f.2508
yeah because of the team strategy to keep Sainz at front so that he can get the p1 points, leclerc & sainz pace was very close so if not for the team orders, there's a chance leclerc could've gotten p1. Sainz did have a great pace all throughout the race though, so it would've been a battle (that Sainz could've possibly won). but it was important to get sainz up in the points since he missed last race, and now the top 4 drivers are Red Bull, Ferrari, Red Bull, Ferrari, and McLarens are further behind
@@takkamek what 😂 sainz was quicker for the whole race
Sainz to Red Bull would be epic!!
our only hope at this point of someone actually competing against max, may have another 2016 season
If we get to the summer break, and it comes out that Max is leaving due to off-track drama at RBR, Sainz should be given the call to take that seat.
At this point, I'd pick him over Perez and Ricciardo for 2025.
@@Storm_CWas far as I'm concerned, Ricciardo isn't even an option for RBR at his current state.
Why are people yawning for this so hard?
Carlos is too good to just be wasted as a punching bag for Max. Same with Lando for example.
@@CMike44Neither is Perez to be fair.
If I had a penny everytime verstappen doesn't wins, Carlos Sainz wins and George Russell crashes on the last lap, I would have 2 pennies. That's not a lot, but it is strange it happened twice
Nando Lorris podium
Russell also crashed when Sainz won at Silverstone, and Max also had issues that day
Magnussen P10 on the last lap because of George's crash happened both times too.
Actually thrice
Yes its becoming a pattern that George fumbles it trying desperately to pass someone in the last laps.
This podcast even underrates Sainz. His mental capacity during races exceeds that of most drivers, he makes tthe right calls while driving. He's much more calculated than Leclerc. Leclerc is exciting because he takes more risks and that makes him a bloody quick qualifier. But therefore he's also less consistent. Ferrari are going to miss Sainz in the future. Sainz is more likely to be WDC one day imho compared to Leclerc.He's more a Verstappen type and Leclerc is more an Alesi type. No disrespect to any of these drivers, just saying Sainz is among the best right now.
Thanks for writing my comment for me.
@@PKWeaver74nah man, watch the last races of last season and say it again, i think this is memory issues.
@@maboh5622 No, this is a 'not forming an opinion on the basis of one race' issue.
No of course Lewis isn't a better choice than Carlos for Ferrari next year. They signed him for his name and star power alone. I don't think he'll do badly of course. He'll almost certainly have a better year than this year with Mercedes. But I don't expect him to beat Charles regularly.
Short answer: Yes, yes Carlos is underrated.
Gotta say I liked Lance Stroll’s engineer’s radio communication best when Russell crashed. The one who really spoke clear and took the situation really serious.
As opposed to Charles and Xavi:
Charles: Is this the last lap?
Xavi: Yes we have fastest lap.
Charles absence from the front row was not due to bad luck.
Matt keeps going on about how he appreciates Sainz winning. But continues to talk if Leclerc this , if Leclerc that. Go rinse yourself you're looking salty Matt
Matt does not like Sainz. It is pretty obvious to me.
@@freyalove3831 Nothing wrong with being a fan of Leclerc. But it's the fake compliments he does to Sainz and then goes on to talk ifs and buts about Leclerc.
Give Tsunoda some love.
The pass on Gasly was fantastic.
Seeing Matty pretending to be happy while he literally cried himself to sleep because his "babe" didn't win is all I am here for😂
Like you've not been sleeping since Abu dab21?
@@filipecardozo elaborate?
Literally not underrated is he. Under appreciated by the likes of you lot definitely. Let's see if he can do it constantly at this level and not dip out like last years purple patch
I 100% agree every time Carlos does better then Charles it's always some excuse from Charles fans on why. Like if you like Ferrari be happy dang.
@@joshawott331 I see that as them wanting more from Ferrari as when Leclerc is shafted Ferrari loose points IE: Silverstone 22. There are some instant where Leclerc has had some bad luck and Sainz has profited but Both fans think Ferrari is against them.
Agree, Carlos has also terrible luck and no one points that out... If not for that vegas bs, he would have beaten Charles for a second season
@@Maton8587If Leclerc's engine didn't blow up in the first race and if he didn't take a 10-place grid drop, he would have beaten Sainz easily.
@@OnurP1and Brazil and USA also for Leclerc.
Carlos anyway spun in lap 1 in Vegas so qualifying is not really relevant.
Why is everyone forgetting the fact that the only reason Sainz passed Max so easily is literally the same reason Max DNF’d: his brakes were stuck on. Even with only 3/4 functioning brakes Max was still keeping up with Sainz. If Max had a working car he would’ve finished 10s clear of Sainz
no
Nope
Nope ... it'd be more like 30 seconds.
Doesn’t change that he managed to get enough of a lead for a completely clean pit TWICE. Great race from Sainz either way.
Cope harder lol
Yea he is. I’ve been a fan for years and used to get quite a lot of hate when I would praise his driving. And here we are.
Carlos is underrated by who? Everyone rates him as a good driver he is
Exactly 🤣
underrated relative to Leclerc, who got to stay without really having had a better performance in the past years. They were pretty even all seasons.
@@yunketroniko2022 was not close by the slightest
True, I think his rating always matched what he did on track. He seems to be improving so it's only normal his rating will to as well.
erm Ferrari??!! This podcast on numerous occasions. Leclerc fanboys (nothing against Charles)
I've said it before and I'll say it again Sainz is so underappreciated! Ferrari are so far up Leclerc's arse they can't see they are making a mistake dropping Carlos.
I understand this, but Leclerc is their future, and Lewis Hamilton is impossible to pass up because he's the most famous driver ever. He'll make Ferrari a billion dollars, and if he drives well, he could definitely win a championship with how Ferrari are improving.
Haha you guys are the people who underrated him haha
exactly!!! 😄
I swearrr they can’t even bring themselves to suggest that Carlos is better than Charles at anything, they said Charles is faster than Carlos when it comes to pace and is comparable to him in other aspects, Carlos is by far better than Charles when it comes to racecraft even if Charles has better pace but they couldn’t even suggest such a thing, it’s actually crazy how much they underrate Carlos
Jup, the yawning and excusing of everything leclerc does doesnt leave much space for appreciating carlos
@@LiftandCoawell, for me the few races leclerc manages to bring a real fight to max outshine anything carlos has ever done, then again i also would not replace him with hamilton
Sainz has much higher racing IQ than Leclerc
They always say that you can't take the outcome into account when assessing an incident.
So the question has to be if george did not crash would there have been an investigation at all?
Nobody mentioned Carlos's radio when HE told the team they should go long on the first stint of the hard tyres to build the advantage that led to the so-called "boring" race. That was strategy and tyre management skills right there. I was glued to the screen the whole race thinking "Is Carlos going to pull it off, even though everyone including Ferrari wanted their golden boy to win" (typing this as I watch Matt literally sigh to admit Carlos is the "biggest winner")
The fact that Max managed to drag his Red Bull to the front at the start with one wheel basically not working really worries me. I really hope Ferrari's pace is here to stay.
I mean, you sometimes hear of people driving their own cars for miles down a motorway before realising the handbrake is on.
The power going through those wheels definitely could offset the friction the brake was having to where it felt like a tug if the handbrake momentarily.
If not for friction doing what it does best (a.k.a. creating shedloads of heat), I reckon the pace deficit wouldn't be much different to losing several points of downforce.
not how it works, the brake was slightly engaged else hed have problems turning from the the first corner. since these f1 brakes operate at such high temps, a slight jam can over heat them in a couple laps which is what happened to him.
I don't think that was the case. There more than 1000 hp going to those rear wheels. No brakes on the planet could significantly reduce the effect of that much power, apart from catching on fire and exploding.
@@joyl7842 No way, those brakes will stop 1000hp without much issue at all...
@@shahjahanriaz499 Max literally said it was like driving with the handbrake on. It's exactly the reason why he made the mistake that allowed Sainz to pass him.
I can't believe there are people out there saying George wanted a red flag to preserve his position, dude did it because if the car behind took that corner at racing speed, the *best* case scenario has Mick Schumacher subbing in for him for multiple races and the worst is too dark to think about.
people are just blind george haters
Of course he did
I think George is such a smart racer he 100% was thinking about preserving his position. he for sure was shitting himself as well, but that doesn't meant you stop trying to get every advantage possible, that's what we expect of racing drivers. Swap the positions and people would be talking about Alonso being a "wild old fox".
People are also stupid.
With a car that suits him, Carlos could absolutely take the title. He might not get every single win and dominate like Max, but he would always be there in the fight, and score consistent podiums.
People coping or suffering from recency bias because Carlos been underrated and that only changed last year when he showcased he is a better strategist while driving than Ferrari is while stationary. That + Monza and Singapore gave a lot of people a new perspective on Sainz.
Not underrated, disrespected IMO, I posted on reddit a few months ago about it and people just destroyed it, I might come back and get my credit.
Alonso doesn't deserve a penalty
Firing Carlos is just another example of Ferrari strategy at work. They couldn’t make a good decision to save their lives. I’m thoroughly going to enjoy him continuing to make them look stupid.
you know its not firing when you don't get renewed though ? He isnt pushed out the door mid season
Says some rando named ogreman2229. Humble yourself and remember you’re just a fan. You can’t see into the future.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing ever since I heard Lewis moving news.
@@mapleleafkay9824lol bro relax. This is the comment section. Expect some comments 😂
HUmBLe YoURseLF cringe
I wasn’t a fan of the move but man, no one can say atm that the move was bad move. No one can predict Whats gonna happen, period.
I wonder if Sainz would have been physically able to battle with Verstappen when it came down to it. He was able to cruze in front and still it took it's toll seeing as how carefull he got of the car.
I had appendix and I couldn't even walk in one week. (Nor poop, goddamn it). Carlos is a fucking hero.
What's funny about Fred Vasseur's leadership is Alfa Romeo weren't the "joke" team when he was TP there a few years back. Now he's gone to Ferrari who *WERE* the joke team but he seems to have turned Ferrari around for the better and now the joke team is Stake the team he left!
Yeah, he's really impressed me, and man did lewis make a perfect move at the perfect time yet again lol. Mercedes is falling apart and Ferrari has a win in race 3.
Unspoken F1 rules
1. Don't crash into your team mate.
2. Don't crash on your own.
3. George can't finish any races that Carlos wins.
People need to start differentiating "underappreciated" from "underrated". Sainz is a case of former.
You all seem to forget Max was leading by 0.8 seconds at the end of lap 1 .. then his brakes didn't release.. if they worked properly he would have been gone as per usual
And apparently his brake was stuck THE WHOLE TIME
But Checo said Carlos would've won anyways 😂😂.
@@filipecardozo... to hide behind his own terrible race
Max was lucky that the brake broke so early instead of in the final laps of the race. Now he saved his engine for a full racelength.
True actually. Didn't think of it that way. Just a shame his 'stepdaughter' who was watching him race for the first time only got to see like 6 laps😭
If Max his brake was not melting onto his wheel he’d have a 5 second gap in 3 laps. He created a 1.3 second gap in the first lap but after the brake reached critical temp, he missed the 3rd corner and started checking. Thats when Sainz could come back and take advantage. Without issues Max would’ve given a Maxteclass no doubt 10-20+ seconds
The race with Max:
Sainz goes past, leads the race and gets away a little. Sainz pits, Max goes long on the tires and pushes full on.
Max pits, exits pit right behind Sainz on fresher tires. Passes Sainzs, runs away and wins the race.
yep, glad we did not see it, a good change
I love to listen to your podcast, because both of you are fans of 1 or the other driver, but still you are able to see the good and bad in others and also your favorite driver. It is hard to stay objectieve buy you guys are doing a good job. You guys also make me smile a lot :) Keep going guys !
My most memorable moment, Carlos Saintz Jr. Win!
2. Sauber have forgotten how pitstops works....
3 Mercedes 0 points
4. How is DR??
Sainz is fucking great and Alonso didn't deserve that penalty in no way shape or from what so ever.
NGL, Sainz has been underrated. He has had ups and downs, no lie. But he's always at least been in the same ballpark as his teammates...Max Verstappen, Lando Norris, and Charles Leclerc. That's one hell of a feat. (Ignoring Renault, cuz Renault). He might not be the very top tier, but he's close. And lately...He's been better than Leclerc. For all that Leclerc's had bad luck, Sainz has had it too. From borderline penalties costing him 3 spots, to drain covers, now his appendix, and Ferrari in general; This duo has more bad luck than the rest of the grid combined.
Also...it's shocking that Russell's crash didn't bring out the red flag. We had a car on its side, on and perpendicular to the racing line, on a blind corner, where cars go 250+kph. Legitimately, that could have ended up with Russell being Hubert'd, AND another driver being Bianchi'd by Russell's car. The red flag exists for situations like this, and every driver should be banging on the RD's door asking why it wasn't waved.
Apparently the reason is they would slow down the same amount for a red or a VSC. I agree though, a red makes drivers much more aware that something terrible has happened. Thank God for strolls engineer yelling DANGER DANGER, he probably saved George's life.
Johnny Herbert had his axe to grind, and he's gotten his petty revenge.
Rules are rules. Pretty clear cut erratic driving.
It was a unanimous decision by all stewards. Johnny Herbert wasn’t the only one who decided it.
If Kimi can get a drive through penalty for crossing a white line I don’t see how a drive through penalty for brake checking is harsh.
@@paperplane-db8qfThere's no universe in which what Alonso did can be considered "brake checking" and if you read the ruling, it's a complete joke. The FIA literally said Alonso didn't even brake, he lifted off 100 meters before the turn, and he lightly touched the breaks, which in their own words, wasn't the reason for the car's deceleration. But since in the previous laps he didn't do the same, he got a penalty.
At that point, just have the cars go through rails, and give them automatic braking points, not that there'll be much individuality in the future anyway with penalties like these.
@@TheRayzorOneyou are clueless. Taking your foot off the accelerator in an F1 car is the same as hard braking in a road car.
@@TheRayzorOne Alonso braked regardless when he didn’t need to. He downshifted, and just lifting off caused engine braking and retardation due to drag and the energy recovery system and slowed the car.
Just because he lightly touched the brakes is irrelevant. The car slowed down significantly due to his actions.
@@TheRayzorOne you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Go educate yourself
I think with Haas people forget that actually they were good in qualifying but destroyed their tyres quicker than Ferrari. Now that they dont chew their tyres up they are half decent. They probably havent delevoped a lot of that car from last season while everyone else has their new concepts.
Perez's struggles (damage aside) + Carlos pulling a huge gap like Max points to a few things to me.
1) Ferrari are easily the 2nd fastest car
2) Clean air is overpowered with these regulations
Absolutely, the clean air/dirty air conversation needs to be had. The whole point of these regulations was to get rid of dirty air, and now cars can't get within 5 seconds of each other, let alone pass, it's awful.
Anyone recall what the tire delta was between George and Alonso?
To Tom's point. Sometimes DRS seems like a forgone conclusion for passing. But sometimes it should be if one car is significantly faster than the other.
Especially if there's a large difference in the grip of tires.
Sainz would be leading the championship if he had races all races, shame he had to have an operation
You don't know that. Sainz could've finished where Ollie did in Saudi
@@michaeltelfer3483 lol you serious. Ollie took a while to overtake Zhou. Sainz would have done it much easily.
And if Max his engine didn't break down he would have won the race. Both missed an entire race essentially...
If Charles wasn't as marketable as he is, we would be questioning why he has never truly had that dominance like Max has over Perez or Ham had over Bottas. He was supposed to be the clear lead driver yet he seems to just slightly edge Sainz in the long run over the season but never truly clear of Sainz as the clear lead driver yet continuously gets all of this hype surrounding his name.
It’s only because he was a part of the Russell/Norris trio that the British Motorsport press were all gushy over. Like Russell he’s got some serious one lap pace but not got the chops when it comes to the races.
Take a drink, since Matt learned about chef and cooking, for every video he mentions chef and cooking. you would be hospitalised.
For me this race made me think a lot about how tough following is behind another car is. For example we never had a battle for the lead of the race very few cars coming through the field for example Sergio (granted I understand they cite his floor damage but still..) Also watching George lose it being a little unexpectedly close to Alonso. I think this cost cap, new also engine freezes with bans on “party mode” engine modes makes it tough to overcome some of the loss of downforce behind another car. I’m nervous that racing could possibly get worse for a long time before it gets better.
Again regarding Russell/Alonso incident, changing the corner isn't going to solve anything as it is a chicane basically and trouble with chicanes is any car that crashes has the possibility of coming back onto the track. It is a fast chicane, the faster you approach or go through it the more chance you have of re-entering the circuit after the crash. You could possibly re-profile the straight leading to it to make it a slower approach but other than that there isn't a lot you can do imo.
Took me a moment to get Toms Mr Saturday joke I have to admit.
it is criminal that sainz doesn’t have a drive for next year
Oh, and this was a Saturday race. It started before midnight here in Valley Forge, PA. USA
I heard that the brake on Max's car was basically locked on from the start, that's why he had a moment in turn 7 and shortly after, Carlos passed him. Without that I think he would have been gone. He almost got a second lead by the end of lap 1 with a brake locked. I guess it was the mechanical brake, which is not as large as the front brakes because normally they use the engine to do most of the braking, right?
I'll weigh in on Russell's crash. On the very last lap when Russell crashed, it occurred to me that he probably lost control due to the pressure once again and flipped the car. On further thoughts on the post incident, I did notice that he was chasing Alonso, who is skilled in racecraft. It's certainly possible that Alonso might have employed a tactic to unsettle Russell, hoping to disrupt his timing again, but I don't believe he intentionally thought it would result in a disastrous outcome at that level.
It wasn’t intentional by Alonso but as per F1 stewards reports he did brake 100m early which and then accelerated again before braking. So yeah Alonso made a mistake for which he was penalized, which imo is harsh. George could do nothing by that point.
Alonso literally saw George crash, then lied to his engineer and said he had a clutch issue. The FIA checked his clutch and it was fine. So Alonso crashed George, then lied about having a car issue. Alonso has always been like this, watch 2007 if you want to see him ruining Lewis' chance to win the championship as a rookie. Then in 2008 Alonso cheats and has his teammate intentionally crash so he can win a race, Alonso is a dirty driver.
@@utkarshtyagi10 Their report also said he braked, but it wasn't the main reason for the slow down, so he may have just engaged the brake a let go and realized his mistake, or he was actually racing and slowed a bit early, but it was far from a brake check.
@@suede__it wasn’t a brake check but worthy enough to deter the driver behind, for stewards to make the decision of giving 20 sec penalty
Carlos is as underrated as LeClerc is overrated...u can't name another driver in a top team who has crashed out as many times in the lead or in qualifying. 5 wins in 6 years...meanwhile seb was fired for winning 14 in 5 years.
Leclerc crashed out once while leading. Same as Seb.
Leclerc crashed in quali about 4 times in 6 years. About the same number with Sainz.
Leclerc has never lost a quali H2H and only lost race H2H once.
Leclerc's engine blew up twice while leading, lost a race due to strategy error 3 times
Leclerc beat Vettel twice, beat Sainz twice. Was outracing Max when the cars were close.
Seb had two cars that could legit challenge for a title across his entire Ferrari stint(2017-2018) and he bottled it in 2018.
@@OnurP1Vettel had front wing damage and it was dry tyres on a wet track. Whereas there’s really no excuse for Paul Ricard - perfect weather and a fully working car.
Vettel didn’t bottle 2018, Ferrari did. Almost all of Vettels errors were recovering from Ferraris mistakes. They even made the car slower for 3 races.
And Vettel got 3 wins in 2015 in peak Merc dominance which is more than half of Charles’ total in 6 seasons.
@@paperplane-db8qf 2015 Ferrari had the pace to win on merit on occasion. They didn't inherit a win after a Mercedes DNF.
Vettel locked up and lost 3 places in Baku.
Had a shit restart in China which allowed him to fall back enough for Verstappen to crash into him.
Fucked up an easy P2 in France.
Crashed out in Hockhenheim.
Spun in Monza
Spun in COTA
Crashed with Verstappen in Japan.
@@OnurP1Where did Chatles outrace Max lmfaooo
@@LiftandCoa Silverstone 2019, Bahrain 2022, Austria 2022, Las Vegas 2023 comes to mind.
Not me gasping when Tommy called Carlos the Postman XD
Massively underrated. It makes sense in a way. He’s not a very exciting driver in qualifying or the race. Just very composed and sharp.
Sainz has been underrated his whole career IMO. I’d rather have him than Leclerc to be perfectly honest.
Agree imo Ferrari should have waited with extending Leclerc..... Still signing Lewis but they should have waited with the second seat. After the first 3 races Carlos is clearly better....
Japan next and max will win for sure!
Of Course.
‘The Postman’ 😂 I think that will catch on 👍🏎️🏎️
The final few moments where Tommy pronounces Melbourne wrong gave me such a giggle 😂
if Leclerc was the one in front in that race, i'm certain he would've either dnf or had a pit problem and maybe even both.
Or he would have crashed. He’s good for that too
Alonso did not deserve 20 seconds penalty, 5 second of 10 second max.
I am so proud that I said in the watchalong, before the formation lap, "I'm here for the Sainz win", and then "Looking forward to the Ferrari 1-2." The chat laughed at me!
Best things for me in the race:
The engineer singing smooth operator to sainz
Lando having fun at Carlos expense at the end
28:50 That's not how it's supposed to work though. "he deserves a penalty for what happened to george's car". The FIA has literally always been saying that penalty does not depend on the outcome, only on the action. Which is 100% fair, if someone does something very dangerous but the other one avoids it, that shouldn't lead to a lowered punishment.
Aidas had a great video about it where he drew straight comparisons with Kmag's actions.
Your comments on "he suddenly slowed" are also not true, even the FIA admitted that. He was already harvesting and the majority of the slowing came from hik lifting off, not that minimal brake he did (this is coming from the FIA too).
The rule he broke which caused the penalty was "driving unnecessarily slowly". What did Kmag do if not that? And if you say "but Kmag always did it so they knew to expect it". Well not the first time. If that's your argument then Kmag should've gotten a penalty for the first time he drove 'unnecessarily slowly'
Agree with the fact you can’t punish Alonso for George’s loss of downforce outright. However I personally actually disagreed with the Aldas video because the rule broken was:
33.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.
I don’t think it’s the ‘unnecessarily slowly’ part so much as the ’erratic’ part that incurred the penalty. For me, the fact Alonso literally had to apply the throttle again before slowing a second time for the corner is what makes this erratic. I highly doubt KMag ever did this, although I have absolutely no evidence of this 😅 I think the penalty is fair, but it’s definitely an interesting and divisive incident!
@@fredgoodyer4907 but how was Kmag's driving predictable? Erratic means unpredictable, so in order for driving not to be erratic, it has to be predictable. The first time he lifted way earlier than the corner was completely unpredictable, aka that was erratic.
Nothing happened because the others were far enough behind, but that's kind of what happened here as well, george was far enough back that he did not hit alonso
I could even turn that reapplication of the throttle back against the penalty and say that the fact that he reapplied throttle when he saw that george was catching very fast means he was trying to avoid a collision.
And again, he was harvesting. His lights were flashing, george should've seen that, knew that he was going to be slow. He didn't brakecheck george, he slowly decreased speed, just like kmag did.
I don't know, the whole thing smells for me, I am not rewatching this vid but I think even matt and tom said "if george doesn't crash, nothing happens", which i think would've been the case indeed and that goes fully against the fia's "it's not the outcome that matters"
@@zsfekete5211 I’d say that slowing down early and coasting into a corner is somewhat predictable, but I could absolutely accept if it was decided to be too aggressive as well. Maybe you should have to stay within a certain percentage of your best lap or last lap or something.
Wrt Alonso trying to avoid the crash, his defence of the scenario was that he was only looking ahead and not behind (which I don’t believe for a second but) which I will take as an admission of not actively trying to avoid a crash. I see it as him slowing so early that, had he not reapplied the power, he could have been passed into the corner, but that’s pure speculation on my part.
You are right that it’s not a proper brake check (I think it technically is one but not really) but his early downshift would cause the car to slow more suddenly than just harvesting.
If George had gone through the gravel but stayed out of the wall and kept p7 to the end, I personally think the stewards would still look, but I agree that they basically just lie every time they say “we don’t consider the consequences” cuz they definitely do! I think they should though, which possibly is why I agree with this penalty 😊
Yes the FIA's decisions are so random. Last race Norris move dangerously in the braking zone against hamilton and get no penalties. Now Alonso get penalty because he brake early. FIA failed again.
@@blackmichel8974 I'm not sure if it's the same stewards every time or not. I think after Masi was let go they replaced him with multiple race directors ona rotating basis, I think that's causing inconsistency
Of course he's underrated because Ferrari only has eye for golden boy Leclerc who puts it in the wall every three races and can drive a mean quali lap. Meanwhile Carlos has the ability to win races, analyze the situation and make decisive calls to when to switch to which tyre. Charles is just a puppet of the team who only complains after when he already is on the bad compound.
Carlos has won races but only when rbs have had problems. I want to see him win when he’s actually fighting. I’ve never seen him actually fight for his win. It’s kinda just been a bit of luck for him tbh
@@Snazzy16 i dont remember Verstappen having problems in Singapore? I thought the car was just historically shit at that track
@@TheJubess Yes, but they qualified hugely behind so there was no fighting. He has yet to fight the rbs or really any car for the win. I would like to see him do something par with Las Vegas (I know rbs won there but it was very close). Overtaking the Red Bulls and competing with them. I do think he has it in him, and I want to see him do it.
Let's just comment end of the season and see where it is at. Charles last crashed in a race, back in France 2022. In quali, both drivers have had incidents and if you want to really be critical, Carlos cost Ferrari P2 in the championship at Abu Dhabi. It is only race 3, let's calm down. Charles did not have the best weekend but still finished P2 with Fastest Lap. It is not like he finished out of the podium today. Let's see how the season pans out. The Paddock rates Charles higher. Perhaps they know a bit more than fans?
@@nisuraperera6068 I agree 100%. After Singapore Charles went on his streak of staying top 5 (this is still going) as well as his 7 consecutive front row streak. I think it will be the same after Australia. He has shown so many times that he will immediately bounce back and in no way did he do bad in Australia. P2 is very good
Ocon had to make an extra stop to remove some tear-off stuck in the rear brake duct. Without that stop,I think he will be 12 or 13, so just very unlucky
There were many changes made to the designs that circumvented the new rules so that they created a lot of 'dirty' air again and made close following very difficult.
Yeah, it's a disaster, at least we know now what the problem is. I hope the FIA steps in.
People need to remember Leclerc was on the front row the last 7 race weekends and the one time he wasn’t Verstappen’s had mechanical issues which sainz benefited from
Front row does.mean crap if you don't win.
@@freyalove3831”if you don’t win” front row is the closest you get to a win in a Max Verstappen dominance
@@freyalove3831 finishing second behind him means you win if his car breaks down
How many did he win? Pole merchant. Nice kid just bottles it a lot. 😊
@@nollienick1121 how many has Sainz won, 3 in 10 years, he can’t handle the pressure of a consistently front running car unfortunately
not a brake test from Alonso but, indeed, a 'brake aero and speed', like every good driver should do!
But then when he saw George crash, he lied and said he had an issue, so he knew he was being dirty.
yeah he may not have touched the brake, but he definitely got of the throttle one time just before he normally would for that turn.
@@egeveke Nothing wrong with slowing 100m early. That's like saying you can't go off line.
@@joshn1678 Didn't his car have a battery issue through the race?
You cannot punish the same fact differently depending on the consecuences...
“what if they were 20 wide into turn 1” 😂😂😭
I still believe Carlos would have won, but let's not forget Ferrari gave team orders to maintain station. There never was a 'race' for the lead.
Charles is quicker than Carlos over one lap, agreed. But to say that Carlos is "as good" at Charles when it comes to delivering when the opportunities are there is way too generous to Charles. Carlos delivers consistently and Charles is hit and miss. Ferrari were fools to let him go imo.
Carlos was slower than Stroll in Abu Dhabi, literally costing Ferrari P2 in the constructor standings. Leclerc is not the most consistent driver on the grid (that would be Max), but only a blind man would claim Sainz is in any way consistent.
Both Charles and Hamilton are better than Sainz, that’s just the reality.
In 2021 and 2023 Leclerc had the vast majority of reliability issues and that’s the only reason Sainz was close.
2022 Leclerc was challenging the Redbulls, Sainz was challenging the Mercedes.
You can talk about consistency but there’s a consistent pattern of luck and nothing else. He started 2024 strong but that doesn’t overturn the previous 3 seasons.
@@danielkristiansen2298 he’s still consistent. Don’t get to mad because people like him more than chuck
@@nollienick1121 He is not, though. He is worse on his tyres, has a lower average finishing position over the seasons, causes more damage to his car. By which metric is he more consistent?
The big difference is that when LEC is having an "off" race, he does something spectacular and ends in the wall (once or twice a season). When SAI is "off", he is just slow. So we remember LEC for the memes but SAI flies under the radar.
I don't know any of them so I can't speak for their likeability. They are both very handsome though.
Crazy idea but what if we have reverse DRS where if a car is within one second of you your car loses down Force
I actually quite like "The Postman". Good nickname Tommy!
If sainz didnt have the dnf could be leading the championship this time 😢😢
I‘m not a verstappen fan but you could also say the same about verstappen… Both had one dnf and max is still leading the championship
@@greydiesel aint the same since a mechanical failure and apendix removal chances are WAY different
@@greydieselbut max actually did the race, Carlos probably would’ve been 3rd 4th if he raced but we know verstappen was meant to DNF
Strange prediction: Leclerc will be this year’s Champion.
Is Sainz underrated? I'd say so. Indeed he's a driver I expect to age like a fine wine, getting ever better - a driver a team could be successfully built around for the long term. If that's not already very clear, just take a look at his dad...
...and yet he doesn't have a drive next year!
9:30 I think it is mostly Pirelli tyres that instantly overheat, if you slide a bit.
Is he underrated? No. The ferrari just suits him better than leclrec at the moment. Just like with max and checo. Sometimes it suits one or the other. Redbull knows if he has potential. If redbull doesn't switch carlos for checo then that tell you everything
Sainz is a superior driver to Leclerc
I have been saying it since he joined Ferrari
Now he has a couple of years experience with the car, you are seeing that
Leclerc has more outright pace on his best days but Sainz is the more consistent driver. Realistically Ferrari has the best driver pairing on the grid and is tearing it apart for publicity.
@@ogreman2229 Leclerc is consistent too his last 10 races show that. Just missing that bit that none can control its luck
@@michaeltelfer3483 BS. Max is obviously in an insane car, but Leclerc could *TRY* and fight for first, instead it’s like he only cares about Perez.
@@DrDinoNuggiesI see the Leclerc haters are out the one time Sainz beats him
@@DrDinoNuggies what are you on about. To say Leclerc doesn't fight for 1st is delusional
30:00 don’t know if you’ve seen but Fernando had throttle issues and you can hear from his on board that he was trying to accelerate and you can see further down that it’s just misfiring and not accelerating.
No he didn't, he faked the clutch issue, right after George crashed. The FIA checked the clutch and it was fine. So he literally lied to cover up his maneuver.
narrow the cars, bring back v10, bring back refueling (mandatory 10s pit stop whenever refueling for safety reasons, just imagine the strategy running low or high fuel)
Ok I will play devil advocate here. I was on a plane with a Italian ferrari fan coming from the race. Their words " ferrari made wrong choice... they shouldn't of signed LH" I'm struggling to find a reason to angrue this point.
I got tons of respect for Lewis and loathe the racial undertones that most of his critics employ, but it's hard to deny he's coming up on 40, probably peaked at least five years ago...still a plenty competent driver but not the vritually unstoppable force he was 2007 to 2020. Ferrari signing him was a PR and marketing coup, did wonders for their stock price, but is LeClerc and Hamilton the best lineup they could employ in 2025? With Sainz available and in the form he's been in (for awhile I'll add; he was strong in 2023 too) you'd have to argue no.
@@TrendyfluteLewis finished P3 in the driver's championship last year with a midfielder car and Carlos finished 7th, 6 pts below Leclerc in the 2nd fastest car. Recency bias will always distort you view on reality.
@Trendyflute 100%. You can't deny that LH previous credentials. You don't become a 7 time champ by being ordinary. But the unfortunate thing is F1 is a sport that doesn't live in the past just cause you're good then doent mean your good now. As PR decision I would argue that ferrari move benefits LH more than ferrari, I was the track on the weekend and there was more ferrari shirts than blades of grass and In terms of LH only a handful. I appreciate that the stock market suggests otherwise, but I doubt bankers go to f1. I really hope that LH will prove me wrong on this. But I just don't want a great legacy be degraded. As for sainz, I was the same as Matt do a year as Sauber before Audi but he is in peak form I fear Sauber will destroy that form not to mention no guarantee Audi will perform.
@OmegaF77 but with respect calling Mercedes midfielder when they finished 2nd ( over ferrari) in constructors 2023 is a little harsh.
@@TheRoyp80 They only finished 2nd because both of their drivers drove the pants out of their crappy car. W14 performed even worse than the W13 in the first half of the year, especially in Brazil. That's what happens when you have awesomely talented drivers.
Imagine that brake popped 30s later with all the pit crew around 😮
That was the Tire that exploded and yes that would have been ugly.
Yeah, I said that while watching too. Glad it happened into a pit wall, not into anyone.
@@BotsWeekendCoversi thought the brake disc exploded?
@@duuudde12it’s usually the tire that explodes but it could have been the brake disc I guess
The heat from the stuck caliper on the rotor got red hot and had the rim get red hot from it as well which eventually caused the tire to explode.@@duuudde12
So Charles is unlucky because he didnt get pole the day Max DnFed but Carlos is not unlucky to completely miss a race this year? #biased.
Is there a podcast with just Tommy?
I think we’re comparing apples and oranges here with performance converging in regulations. Remember it took around 7 years of stable-ish regulations before we reached the juicy 2021 season. There’s only been 2 years into this set of regulations, so I don’t think we can see convergence that quickly. Perhaps because they’re on paper meant to simpler they thought that could be reduced, but considering we still get a lot of dirty air again, they’re still very complex, considering the struggles of some teams
Facts - When you call someone underrated for 2-3 years, that person is not underrated anymore.
Honestly, I love Perez but I would also love to see Carlos Sainz in a Red Bull
I just want a full 100% Tom sarcasm mode on for 10 minutes straight
I've said it before, but it bears repeating. There is a simple fix for the regulations. Air turbulence can be quantified. The regulations should simply specify a maximum allowed amount of turbulence a car can generate. If a car generates more than the allowed amount then it's not legal. Then leave it up to the aerodynamicists.
Only problem is this is all depending on lots of factors like wind speed, wind direction, atmospheric pressure. How do you account between a track like Zandvoort which is at sea level vs a track like Mexico?
@@jamesbishop9450 You don't, you have the cars turbulence level calculated in a wind tunnel and then you allow track variance to be track variance. That would actually add another layer to the interest.