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Sword suckers vs. water suckers on bananas
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2024
- buyraretropical... This is a quick video showing the difference between sword suckers and water suckers on a banana. All water suckers should be removed from a banana corm.
I just watch numerous long videos to find out the difference in the suckers, they did not explain it. You did in just a few minutes, thank you. Wish I had seen yours first.
Thank you so much. I was worried that my water-sucker would be useless, but it can grow big and produce a sword sucker.
Thank you man! I had the types confused, and now I know not to trash the skinny leafed suckers that I cut off last night, and why the broad leafed pups aren't doing much...
Dear Randy, I thank you for telling us that there are two types, sword and water suckers. Never realised that until you commented on my videos. I wonder which tropical country you come from but I am from Sabah, the Land Below the Wind, North Borneo. I have so far come across and planted 4 species in my backyard which is unfortunately flood prone.
One big and long fruit species died without a chance due disease brought by the floods, until today I have not got another source for it. The remaining three are green species- which is very sweet and skin remains green when ripe, but grows better at high hills. The other in my video is the dwarf Cavendish, the pups I got from a relative and I have some success with it but gets affected by the floods. Luckily without realising it, all I had been transplanting were the Sword suckers, BUT they too succumbed to diseases or too much rain and floods. They big one did not die when flooded, but were stunted in growth progress. Now I found this dwarf very funny. I have transplanted many sword suckers, some grow to bear fruit, some just die and got replaced with the water suckers and one water sucker grew up but I waited one year or more and it BORE FRUITS...
So I wonder if your advice really is applicable to the dwarf Cavendish.
However I got more to tell you, we in Sabah got an original or Endemic to our state. It is such a survivor, rain or shine and if flooded it just suck the flood water. It grows anywhere except perhaps the dry Sahara. At river banks, at high hills. Just dig a stem with roots and throw it in another place, a sucker will grow and reproduce to become a jungle so long as got water and sunlight. With this species I cannot distinguish between sword or water suckers, all grow big and reproduce. When it fruit, the tip of the fruit is big, we call the heart of banana, can be cooked as vegetable albeit with a certain technic to remove the poison.
The fruit is edible though not so nice, still sold to max price of RM40 per big bunch at open market and normally fried covered in flour as BANANA FRITTERs. I have a hard time getting rid of it from my backyard, I keep chopping away all the suckers and we have plenty of names for it. Its been called Pisang Sabah or Sabah banana, Buffalo banana and even Elephant Banana as its good food for the elephant, those at the zoos are fed with it. Also it does not need any maintenance or care, just plant one pup and forget about it. One year time you get a jungle of it.... Now, how do you explain that brother??
I'd explain it by the fact that you are in BORNEO! So are you in Indonesia, Malaysia, or Brunei?
As far as flooding goes, try mounding compost up to higher than the water gets... If possible.
Thanks for watching, amigo.
Cheers
@@Sheikyerbouti8
Ooooh dear, he he he, Just get a world Map, you will find where Sabah,
old name North Borneo is
or just googole Agnes Keith, The Land Below the wind.
@@Sheikyerbouti8 Thanks for the advice on flood, but it wont work, check my videos during the flood, the muddy level reached the leaves of my banana that I spent 1 day water jet spraying to remove the mud off the leaves, the Cavedish survived but the progress I think slowed by one month.
Will the Sword sucker become a full banana plant? Will the water sucker always be like a dwarf and never really produce?
Thanks for the video. This really explained the difference clearly for me. I have a dwarf banana in a big pot and it has thrown out three suckers. I should be able to take one off and repot it soon. What I didn't know was that a water sucker will grow into a banana plant! I thought they were bad for it. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful. Cheers
The information was very helpful to me,first time banana grower.👍👍👍👍
Now I know how to identify the pups,and what they are capable of producing.😊
I also learned that I dont have to trash my water pups,I can eventually get a sword pup when they mature.👍👍😊
The banana trees,and pups in video look awesome.
Thanks for sharing this helpful,and interesting video.👏👏👏👏👍👍🤗
thanks for the video, It was breaking up some, but I think that I got it straight. thanks for sharing. what was so odd, is that my main plants did not come back up. so I have to leave the water suckers. I ope that they will continue to have pups o them
Well you answered my question about water suckers producing a sword sucker. Thanks.
Very helpful, thanks!
Thank You! Excellent comparison.
Excellent clarification thank you
Perfect. Answered question so precisely. Thank you.
So glad I could help
Ok, so a water sucker wont be able to turn into a sword sucker?
I got 2 sword suckers from someone in Iceland and brought them back with me home, the mainstem died, but it sent out 2 water suckers.
Bummer, hopefully they will make me a sword sucker then :)
Very nice classification
Very good info and perfect examples
This is Nature scam... lol, a newbie like me walk into a nursery, which one do you think I would buy? The water sucker or the Sword sucker. LOL. Thank you for the great comparison. Were you able to do a real direct comparisson between to show how much the Sword would outgrow the water suckers?
Aloha Randy, mahalo 4 the great info. Keep up the great work.
Will water suckers produce fruit or do you have to wait until the water sucker produces a sword sucker to bear fruit?
Yes they will produce, just not as quickly
Wow, that was fast. We had a storm last night that wrecked my bananas. I will replant only sword suckers. Thanks a "bunch". #subscribed
So, If i wanted to divide the plants to give away or transplant, I would want to choose a sword sucker? Not a water sucker.
For the purposes of removing and replanting, either would work just fine, but the sword sucker would grow and fruit sooner. Water suckers will grow just fine once removed from the competition of the mother plant. It's just that sword suckers have a bit of an advantage/head start. They will be indistinguishable from one another after a year or certainly no more than two. Once they are both on their second pseudostem, a sword sucker and a water sucker that have been removed from the mother plant and planted elsewhere, will be exactly the same. So if you are trying to make more plants, then keep all of the suckers you remove, whether water or sword.
It is only the the ones you leave on the plant that REALLY matter. NEVER leave water suckers where they pop up. When choosing a sucker to leave on the mother plant, ALWAYS choose a sword sucker. I hope this was helpful. Cheers
which banana tree is good for planting, water sucker or sword sucker
Thank you Randy! :)
Great video
How do you keep the main stem from going all soggy and dying off in the winter? We rap ours up in burlap and have Mulch on the ground to keep it warm in the winter but by Spring it's soggy and won't stand ,so it has to be cut back and then eventually it will shoot up again and grow but I feel like we're always starting from scratch as opposed to having one big banana plant.
I'm in Florida where I don't have to worry about that in most years. I don't ever actually protect my banana plants in winter. I just deal with the damage when it happens. Yeah, any year that the main pseudostem is that badly damaged, you're not likely to get fruit. I feel your pain, but it only happens to me about every 10-15 years.
I'm not sure where you are, and my advice would vary greatly depending on that.
@@Sheikyerbouti8 I live in vancouver British Columbia canada. I never get any fruit, but I'm not too worried about that, I just love the plant itself. I live in a house with two floors and one year it got as high as our 2nd floor window. That was the only year the stem survived the winter. Every other year the stem seems to die off and new shoots grow from scratch. This year however only 3 shoots grew bsck, usually we get like st least 7. I fear that I won't get any next year.
Are they going to fruit when they grow?
I assume you mean water suckers. Yes they will, IF you REMOVE them and grow them as a new plant. As a newly propagated plant, they just take longer than a sword sucker to produce fruit for the first time. After a year or so, there is no difference between a plant grown from a water sucker and a plant grown from a sword sucker. A water sucker isn't really connected to the mother corm. If you leave a water sucker growing where it pops up, then it will just compete with the mother corm for rootsspace and nutrients, and it will never be a vibrant healthy plant. A sword sucker is part of the mother corm, so it doesn't compete with it.
I have maybe a 3 foot banana tree (a type which grows to 7 feet) and just produced a water sucker which is maybe 8 inches tall would I just dig it up and replant it or should I wait?
should we leave the water suckers or remove them? Do they have any advantages by leaving them alone
Always remove them. You can pot them up and grow them. They will eventually become just like any other banana plant but it will take them longer than a pup that was a sword sucker. If you leave it in the ground, it will just steal nutrients and water from the mother plant, but it will never become a healthy plant that way. Usually they will kind of peter out and die eventually. When choosing suckers to leave on the mother corm, always choose sword suckers.
Randy's Tropical Plants @ thanks a lot..
Hi Randy, me and my father in law bought two Musa plants from the grocery store. His plant grows fast and it seems that he has bought a sword and I have bought a water sucker. How much time does it take for a water sucker to grow? His grows triple as fast, while mine is growing big healthy leaves instead. Does this mean that mine is growing leafs before it grows in height?
Hi Randy, great video! How do you identify water suckers when they’re already grown? Should I still cut them down?
Once fully grown out, with their own developed corm, they are no different from any other banana plant.
Which is best water sucker or shored sucker
Sword suckers are always better
Tq for information
Sword suckers near to main banana tree is the best or sword suckers from water suckers is the best .please clarify
Sword suckers are ALWAYS the best choice. Just remember that, and you'll be fine.
Water suckers MUST be removed, but they CAN be grown elsewhere. They just take longer than sword suckers to develop into a bearing plant. NEVER leave a water sucker on the mother plant to grow.
Randy I did not remove the suckers quick enough and they have all grown to the size of the the mother. So now I don't know how to differentiate the mother from the pups so I can remove a few. Any suggestions or tips????
differentiate between sword and water suckers and remove the water suckers. Simple. Always remember to have fun and not over think it! =D The ones that grew to the height of the mother are likely swords. They grow tall fast. The water suckers are slower than a year itch.
The water sucker will bear fruit? I want to do a plantation. The mission is to obtain as much plants as possible. So they are helpful to keep?
Yes, you just don't leave them in the ground where they pop up. Dig them out, pot them up, let them grow out a bit, and then they will be the same as any other banana plant. They'll take an additional several months to become productive, at first, but other than that, there's no difference.
@@Sheikyerbouti8 extremely thankful for the advise.
Hi. First time banana plant grower here. I transplanted my 2-3’ plant into a big pot after I bought it a couple months ago and it got transplant shock. It sent up 3 suckers that are about the same height as the mama now. It looks like it’s putting its energy into growing the suckers now instead of the main plant. 2 of the suckers are wobbly while the 3rd and biggest is the most stable. The 3rd one is also the farthest away from the mom (4-6”) should I cut all 3 down to the soil so the plant focuses back on the main mama? The main one is still about 3’ ft and I’ve had since April. It’s a dwarf gran naim.
Edit the biggest one is only 2-3” away and feels attached to the mom when I tried to wiggle it out. I cut one down to the soil and pulled one out easy. The 3rd and biggest is still there. Should I cut it down?
leave the mama and the strongest. Remove the two wobbly ones. Good luck. Cheers
hi i am from india and planting tissue culture G-9 variety for the first time in about one acre , so my query is that what is the life span of the first sapling we plant ,how many times can we take the banana from one plant , some say 3 times and so on cutting the main plant and keeping the suckers along for the 2 nd time and the same process is for the 3 rd time .
I have plants that I have been taking suckers off of for over 10 years and they are still growing strong. As long as you don't get diseases, you can go on making new plants, more or less indefinitely. Those same corms fruit every year too. I don't farm them for fruit to sell, I grow them for selling plants, I just like the fruit for myself.
Thank you so much randy! you da bomb
Sir, you know Malbhog banna right?... Sir what fertilizers do I use to really make the fruits healthier, look &like bigger and more etc?...
I am not familiar with that cultivar, but regardless of the cultivar, you want to provide a lot of potassium. That's the key. Purchase a bag of Potassium sulfate (K2SO4). This is frequently sold as sulfate of potash.
@@Sheikyerbouti8 Thanks Sir.... It's Assam India...
Next video let it be on how not to let winter ruin the fruiting stage. Twice now I've gotten to flower and fruiting only for it to die off.
I wish I had an answer for that. Bananas bloom whenever they are ready to bloom and if they do that too late in the year, there won't be enough time for the fruit to develop before the cold sets in. I lose 2 or 3 bunches of bananas to this every year.
@@Sheikyerbouti8 do you think a high phosphorus bloom enhancer in mid fall would force an early bloom?
Hey Chief, my banana tree has produced a lot of pups, like 7, and mother tree is still young. So I’ll move the sword suckers in time. But the water suckers should I just dig them out for compost or?
You could chuck em if you want. I always cut them off, but I keep them too. They'll sort of grow slowly for a while then eventually they'll send up a new sucker that will be normal. They just take a lot longer to establish themselves, but once they do, they're no different than any other banana plant of that same variety.
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I ordered a truly tiny from Amazon but I think they sent me a water sucker.
Andrew Conner probably a tissue culture clone.
Hey randy I have a dwarf cavendish banana plant and it had a spout around a year ago and that spout grow taller and much faster/vigorous than the mother banana plant originally. Is that normal for it to pass the mother (original) banana plant? Thanks.
The mother was a couple years old around 1ft-1 in half tall then we put it in the ground she had a sprout and out grew her.
+touge410 _ Yes that happens a lot. The original pseudostem was too old and had been confined in a pot for too long, so the corm gave up on that one and grew a sword sucker. The sword sucker is what will produce your first bunch of bananas. You could probably cut the original pseudostem off. Remember that no matter how many pseudostems grow, there is only one plant. It should grow more new shoots, but you don't want to let all of them grow or they will tax the corm.
+Randy's Tropical Plants ahh ok, that makes perfect sense as that's what exactly happened as you said. I recently added cow manure compost about 2 weeks ago and I already have 3 new shoots all which looks to be sword suckers possibly! Thanks for replying randy.
+Randy's Tropical Plants hey randy when do you recommend removing the banana pups from my dwarf cavendish? Because I have three and I recently tried removing two of them (sword types) at around just 2 inches tall and no luck with roots, they came out cut at an angle even though I had cut it straight. I have one more, how long should I wait before trying to removing that pup??
+touge410 _ Wait until they are about a foot tall.
Um Yay 🙌 😐
I need help with my masa basjoo
indoor plant. Its growing great no brown spots or anything its about
3 ft tall but its not getting the big leaves. Is it just to early or do I need to cut the smaller leaves off the stem?
Hello, you should be able to grow Musa basjoo outdoors, almost anywhere in the United States. They do go dormant in Winter. That species is from Japan.
Sounds like it’s just dormant my friend unless you have a conservatory or greenhouse it’s not gonna do much during the winter but as soon as spring hits put it outside and it will take off I promise
The larger they tend to grow with some tiny sword shape leaves the larger will the plant grow at it's max size. But take a note that there are some species of Banana plants that tend to grow up with much more sword shaped leaves and these kind of plants once they start producing a normal adult banana tree type leaves their stem grows very slowly, so the only advantage they have over their heights are when they're suckers. I've seen sword suckers of around 13 meters that grew up to yield at around 17 meters .
I can’t tell if the pup my banana tree sprouted is a sword sucker or water sucker, and I’ve watched your vid like 3 times!! 😫🙄 I think it’s a sword, but the leaf is not as skinny as yours.
Different varieties can be a little different in how the pups emerge, but once you see both kinds on the same plant, you'll neve mistake one for the other again. If you REALLY want to know, dig down and look at how the pup is connected to the mother corm. Water suckers will be a small nodule of stem tissue off of the main corm, while sword suckers will be emerging almost directly from the side of the corm. I hope that helps you.
Cheers! and thanks for watching.
Mhhh