Love Me Do - The Beatles (Drum Comparison)
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- There was something like this already, but it only had Pete and Ringo so I wanted to make my own version, adding Andy White, and also making which drummer is playing more clear by having the images change when the drums change.
00:00-02:31 Pete Best (Anthology 1)
02:31-04:55 Ringo Starr (Single)
04:55-07:17 Andy White (Please Please Me Album) - Hudba
0:01 Pet Best
2:31 Ringo Starr
4:55 Andy White
Thank you
I lOoOoOoove you !
Andy by a country mile ..👌
Pet 🐱 best
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Another chance for all the CZcams Drum specialists to tear stripes of Pete.
The one thing Pete has that all these experts don't is for 2 years he was a member of The Beatles . You could just about count those people on one hand who can make that claim .
Love ya Pete .
no, pete sucks
(Ringo) leaving out that one kick hit acknowledges the space in the vocals and it really makes the drums feel like they're really working for the song.
Ringo has the 60s beat. Andy White sounds the way he's dressed.
Yes!!!
Ringo hasn't got any beat in this song ..his bass drum is terrible ..he's not listening what McCartney is playing ..the bass drum should lock in with the bass guitar... Andy white knows this ...that's why his version is far superior ..
@@hedgefundshyster..3241have a day off trigger
@@hedgefundshyster..3241 Any pro musician with ears would tell you the exact opposite, and the swinging feel of Ringo's beat is very likely freeing Paul to play it the way he's hearing it. White's stiff and at times sluggish right foot is probably making Paul dig in a little more, but the magic of the groove in this song comes from its swing, cool restraint, and space. Ringo always nailed that- a truly great musician.
What most people don't know is that Pete Best had been playing the song with a skip beat before this recording from the EMI audition in June of 1962. At the audition they changed the arrangement of the song and asked Pete to try playing something different. In essence, Pete never had a chance to rehearse the version you hear on Anthology.
They are called the beat brother
@@michaelsorrells6426No they are not. That's the band name used on Tony Sheridan's album.
@@Galahad1967 yes they were because you can look it up online and find it
@@michaelsorrells6426The Beatles were credited as The Beat Brothers only when backing Tony Sheridan on his German single, My Bonnie, because Beatles sounded like a German word the record company didn’t want printed on the label. They were never officially known The Beat Brothers, and certainly did not go into the EMI audition under that name.
I look up online if you look at the album
It's important to remember that what you're hearing as "Andy" is actually Andy with Ringo on a tambourine at the same time. That's why there seems to be a little extra there... because there IS, and it's Ringo.
Ringo has the swagger, you can hear it. White's drumming is very good, but sounds more like a military march
It's noticeable right from the off, that Andy White is rushing the beat. Most session drummers on 60s pop records did this. Ringo always played microscopically behind the beat and generated a more comfortable, less uptight feel.
It can still happen today when people get hired for drums. Some people love the laid back sound, some want the drums right on top of the beat. And some people prefer different sounds depending on what song/style it is.
Definitely agree that Ringo sounds more laid back and gets a better groove.
I love Ringo, but I gotta say, Andy White was a respected session musician for a reason. His groove is hella tight.
Tight, but dull. Ringo's has groove.
You're right. And who's playing that tambourine on Andy's take?...@@marks.3303
@@marks.3303exactly, Ringo is the only one out of the three that makes your head instantly start to bob
Remember that what you're hearing as "Andy" is actually Andy with Ringo on a tambourine at the same time.
This video has no historical accuracy since both Andy White and Ringo played on the latter version of the song.
Andy White on drums, and Ringo on the tambourine.
Glad i found this. All these beats seem so simple, that anyone, even a non drummer, could learn to play them in 5 minutes. Incredible!
Ringo just has that special sauce.
Crazy. Ringo is the man.
LOVE THE JEWS by APOLOGETIX a great parody of that song
OMG, Ringo's groove easily is the best of the bunch. It's a vibe you can feel. As a pro musician gigging for 20 yrs with all sorts of drummers, Ringo matches the feels of the guitar strumming. The studio drummer keeps good time and is more technical, but he sounds like he is playing to sheet music and hits too hard for this song. That's not unusual for studio players, yes the are technically excellent but so is Ringo. Ringo finds the soul of the song. Another analogy is think of David Gilmour guitarist of Pink Floyd. Sure he doesn't do speed finger tapping and shredding but every F'n note in his solo's are filled wish passion & precision. Pete Best just sucks. Come on Pete, you knew once the band got signed you were done. Business decision and don't play dumb, you aren't a victim. Nice guy but ya suck, be happy getting as far as ya did.
Si,me llevan al pasado,al año 1960 a escuchar a the beatles,sinceramente quisiera escuchar a paul (original)a john,a george y a pete,a pesar de tener los 4 ciertas limitaciones,con sus instrumentos....sonaban salvajes,rebeldes,sin libreto,sin limites,indomitos...esos eran los verdaderos beatles...hasta john lo dijo en una entrevista "el mejor espectaculo que hicimos fue en hamburgo"...yo no lo entendia...hasta que vi en youtube sus presentaciones en hamburgo...eran sencillamente,insuperables...❤
Hay un solo Paul. Qué es eso de original.
Listen to Ringo and White first. They are both seasoned session musicians. Then listen to Best and what you hear is undisciplined, sloppy, and has unnecessary complications that could distract the band. Add a metronome (you can get an online version) and Ringo proves the most steady throughout. On other recordings you can hear Ringo add more fills and flourishes, but only when needed for the song. In short, Ringo and White played for the band. Pete played for the audience.
Ummm, no. Ringo was NOT a "seasoned session musician". He had less studio experience than Pete had. And George Martin rejected Ringo's version of the song, citing poor timing, an assessment agreed with by Paul McCartney. Paul tried to persuade Martin into giving Ringo a second chance but Martin wasn't having it and hired Andy for the official recording session the following week. Additionally, this is an apples to oranges comparison, as Ringo had many takes on an arrangement he'd been practicing for weeks, and according to EMI engineer, they had to do some heavy editing between his takes to get the finished product. Pete, on the other hand, was ambushed out of the blue by Martin changing the arrangement at their audition, telling Pete to ditch the skip-beat he'd been playing the song with in the clubs and rehearsals. The recording we have is nothing more than a raw demo of Pete and the band trying to learn Martin's impromptu new arrangement...it was NOT a finished product like the Ringo and Andy versions y'all are attempting to compare it with. Do your research before spouting off nonsense. smh
I'm a good groove drummer and I can absolutely see why Best lost the beatles gig from this track. He's lost during the harmonica solo and loses tempo. And Ringo to gets lost and loses energy. The best track by far is Andy Whites. Completely simple. He just keeps the beat, does not over play.
Pete is doing an off beat on purpose for effect. It's kinda ahead of it's time.
Andy White gets the nod from me.
Too mechanical. Not enough raw feel. Good drummer but ringo better for beatles
Starr’s version is the superior one. Fuller, rounded beat, nice cymbal accents. The other two sound flat and don’t do the fill completely
The Andy White one is professional, sounding exactly what you get from a session musician. Ringo has more feel and groove.
Ringo s version is dead thatsxwhy andy version is fuller remember george martin never liked ringos version thatsxwhy andy is who we hear for this song george Martin didn't want ringo in studio when recording but John said differently
I mean, andy white's version isn't bad at all but it just doesn't have that ringo magic
I do agree but I think the tambos add something to the song as well.
@@Drewzer154 That's because ringo played the tambourine on the andy white version c:
White may be a more technically competent drummer, but for that elusive "you know it when you feel it" groove, my vote's with Ringo. Pete Best's a relatively distant third. That settles it, right? Thanks, Frank, for posting.
wasnt andy white's the single version and ringo on the album?
Andy White's version is on the album. Ringo's version was erroneously released as the single in the UK which caused George Martin to have the master tapes destroyed. That's why we've never had a remix of the Ringo version until technology allowed them to copy one of the old 45s and digitally separate the instruments like they did with Johns voice on the "Now And Then" demo.
@@TuberOnTheLoose but i remember ringo saying in the anthology something like "white didnt do anything great that i couldnt do when we make the album" or something like that.
@@noseloquedigo92514 He did say something like that years later, but the fact remains George Martin rejected the September 4, 1962 take of "Love Me Do" because of Ringo's drumming and brought in Andy White for the September 11, 1962 recording session.
@@TuberOnTheLoose An explanation for Ringo's comment, *"Andy didn't do anything that special that I couldn't copy it for my version",* is that the version we have for Ringo is NOT the one from September 4th which Martin rejected, but a second recording he was permitted to do AFTER White's September 11th recording.
There is Beatle magic in Ringo's rhythm . He has the feel 😎
Pete (is not the) Best, he's a child
Ringo (is a) Starr, he's a Beatle
Andy (is) White, he's a military
Problem Pete Best did it before Ringo and Andrew white
sure is great i DID have Pete Best before Ringo and Andy White then
Anfangs waren die Beatles als Band so schlecht, dass keiner bei ihnen Schlagzeug spielen wollte. Dann muss man seine Ansprüche herunterschrauben! Sie fragten Peter, der gerade drei Monate Schlagzeug spielte. Sie gingen nach Hamburg, Paul, George, John, wurden richtig gut und Peter hat sich nicht weiterentwickelt, zudem erwies er sich als extrem unzuverlässig, wenn die Ansprüche wegen Studioarbeit höher werden, braucht man bessere Schlagzeuger. Denke aber wäre es nach John gegangen, hätte er Peter in der Band gelassen. John sagte, Peter war der bessere Schlagzeuger, Ringo der bessere Beatle.
I would rather be honest, we like Pete.
A melhor versão é a de Andy White, nem se compara!
Eu concordo totalmente com você.
Very much agree
Eu gosto da virada do Pete Best
Andy White played like a Big Band Drummer from the 50’s, with the Bass Drum on every beat! That was common from the age of unamplified Double Bass players. Pete Best played like a Self Taught Drummer, who thought he knew what he was doing, but clearly didn’t. Ringo’s version had the right feel for the song, albeit a little basic.
Andy White is definitely the better drummer here as the bass drum is more consistent. I also quite like what Pete Best is doing - I'm not sure if it works though. But that doesn't make him a bad drummer.
He plays the song in the bridge and middle part differently than Ringo and Andy. That's OK, why not? Nevertheless, this does not excuse his tempo fluctuations in the normal verse section.
You e also got Ringo on tambourine on that Andy White cut - Ringo makes it even there
I wish I could hear these with the music.
They’re all out there
I,ve always preferred the red label single, which I think is Ringo, rather than the black label single, which I think is Andy White's version.
session players are for artists who don't really write their own songs and/or they have producers who run the show. Ringo was exactly what John and Paul needed to get the Beatles off the ground, and as the songwriting got better and better, including George, Ringo was their man. Groove, timing, feel. Ringo was the best
Session players were used a lot back in the day, even for bands.l who wrote their own music. Rick Beato has some good interviews where they talk about it.
the Rest is histori
Ringo gets my vote.
White is the best version
Ringo tiene magia!!!!
La gran magia q dios le dio a los 4 genios!!!
this just one song...ther musical talent of Ringo contributed to future beats of future hits...he didn't overpower the trio of John, Paul, anf George...and that is what John didn't like the drumming of Pete Best
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John had no issues with Pete's drumming, none of The Beatles did. They were simply jealous that Pete was the far and away most popular Beatle. That's why they sacked him. If anything, it was Ringo who over-played. Go listen to Pete's EMI audition of, *"Besame Mucho",* it's solid, but allows Paul's voice to shine. Same thing at their BBC live recordings with Pete on that song. Then go listen to Ringo play it on The Star Club Tapes. He goes bananas on the cymbals, practically drowning out Paul's voice.
@@Cosmo-Kramer Pete beat can't hold a beat....John Lennon stated that many times....you don't know what your talking about Pete beat still today can't hold a beat
@@Cosmo-Kramer nice try Pete Best
But Pete best is d only drumer to record this song.and the others had been played it with more style..and it's because of Pete best
What??
Ringo by a mile
Andy White does a good job, but it's the constant clapping that helps him out to sound better than he does. Ringo takes it for clean clear simplicity.
Pete holds a ok tempo until he goes to the ride cymbal.. then it all falls apart. He drags the tempo really badly and gets too busy at the same time. Everytime he goes to the ride the same thing happens. His bass foot beats aren't consistent at all, like he's not even paying attention to what his foot is doing. Not good.
Ringo does much better, better feel, but then he starts rushing the tempo pretty noticably at the 3:31 mark. Much better foot work.
White holds the best tempo overall but even he rushed the tempo a bit about 2 thirds into the song. Most people would never notice this in the full mix. These recordings make it pretty obvious why George Martin had a problem with Pete. Playing live is one thing, but when it comes to making records, you gotta do much better. You can have all the chops in the world but if you can't hold a good steady tempo in the studio, you won't be working for long. It would soon be proven that Ringo would be one of the most solid time keepers in the business.
Pete was asked to mix it up during the recording, theres live recorded evidence prior to this recording that he kept it simple like the other two.
I've heard about it. And if that's true, he had no chance at all to show the quality of his drumming when he had to make a last-minute change that might confuse him or make him nervous, in a tense studio situation!
But: That doesn't excuse his tempo fluctuations in the normal verse part.
There's a plausible theory that this is related to another Beatles drum mystery - that Bernard Purdie claimed that he overdubbed drums on some Beatles tracks. The theory starts in Germany where the Beatles recorded My Bonnie and a bunch of other stuff for Bert Kaempfert. They took Pete's kick drum away and made him play with just snare and hihat in order to improve his timing. Much later, after Beatlemania was in full swing, there were attempts to reissue those tracks to cash in on the Beatles popularity, and that, so the theory goes, is when they added the kick in a US studio. And that, so the theory goes, is when Purdie was brought in. The tracks from that session that wound up on Anthology would be from the master tapes so definitely NOT with the rumored Purdie overdubs. If you make a drum stem of Ain't She Sweet from Anthology, there's a ton of snare playing the typical double-single part that was so popular in 1960, but I don't hear any kick - do you? Cry for a Shadow has what sounds to me like very soft kick in a few places and a ton of floor tom in the middle. On My Bonnie, I don't hear kick either. Hunting around CZcams I've yet to find a version of My Bonnie with a clearly audible kick, so that's the missing piece in proving the theory. If anybody can find one of those old vinyl cutouts with a clear kick drum, that would almost certainly be Purdie - I'd love to hear that! Of course it wouldn't be the same as it would have been had Purdie been at the original session because everyone could have played with his groove instead of him just overdubbing. It might have been any of the other tracks as well. I've just been looking for My Bonnie since it's the best known from that session and the one that played a role in Epstein's involvement with the Beatles.
@@kevinmoore4237 Bert Kaempfert did not "take away" Pete's bass drum and toms, good grief. Lol He simply told him not to play them. And his reason had nothing to do with Pete's timing, it had everything to do with Pete's power, volume. Kaempfert was a 40-year old fuddy-duddy easy listening producer, best known for his polka. He had no palate for rock n' roll, he was only working with Sheridan as a crooner, and the thunderous drum sound of Pete's signature "Atom Beat", and The Beatles heavy brand of rock n' roll, turned him off completely. Bert's engineer at the session said, *"We were completely unprepared for The Beatles' sound. They were loud, Loud, LOUD! We'd never heard anything like them before."*
@@arniezanzibar5309 Just to be clear, you don't mean "live recorded evidence" of *Love Me Do,* right? You just mean other songs wherein Pete keeps it simple and plays solid, correct? Because I'm not aware of any live recordings of Pete playing, "Love Me Do".
Ringo's beats are more complex as to where the accents are. Alan White's is more of a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang marching band square jawed, jarhead beat. Not quirky enough for a band destined to define the word, in EVERYTHING they did.
Y'all are comparing one apple to two oranges here. Read on to find out what really happened to Pete on that fateful day, June 6, 1962. But first, go listen to Pete's EMI audition of, "Besame Mucho", on Anthology 1, he's totally solid on it. Which then begs the question, why did Pete struggle with, "Love Me Do", during that same audition? Here's why. You see, The Beatles had been playing the song in the clubs and rehearsing it for the audition, and when they got to EMI they played it for the engineers and Assistant Producer, Ron Richards, whom Martin had put in charge of the session. George Martin wasn't even there, that's how little The Beatles meant to him at the start. But his staff auditioning the boys were so impressed by, "Love Me Do", in particular, that they sent for Martin who was in the canteen having tea. Martin arrived, took one quick listen, and out of nowhere he abruptly changed the arrangement, which included changing the drum pattern Pete was accustomed to playing the song with. The recording Martin provided to the Anthology project was not a final take by any stretch, it was a raw demo of the lads trying to learn the new arrangement. They recorded 4 songs that day, and were only there for a few hours, so they only did a few takes of, "Love Me Do". For all we know the take Martin provided to Anthology was their very first attempt at the new arrangement he sprung on them that day, especially since Pete's still hanging on to the skip-beat at the bridge. Pete was not happy about the change, neither was Paul. And understandably so. They didn't take too kindly to their original song (Paul wrote it, Pete came up with the skip-beat) being changed around by this posh London producer who knew nothing about Rock, and it sounds like the take we have is the band trying to hang on to their own arrangement.
But get this! The truth of the matter is, Martin didn't even have a problem with Pete's drumming! Yes, that's right. It was his Assistant Producer, Ron Richards, who told Martin they they'd want to use a session drummer for the first record. So Martin agreed, and took ownership of the decision when he told Brian Epstein that Pete was fine to remain the band's drummer for all live performances but he wanted to use a studio-experienced pro drummer for the first record, and that no one would ever know.
But here's the thing, Ron Richards later said, *"I had this thing about drumming, and when I asked Pete to play the song a certain way and he couldn't cope with this one part, I quickly told George we'd need a session man. But I was asking something too complex, which never made it into the song, and come to think of it, Ringo would not have been able to handle it, either."*
Well, who else was there? The two EMI engineers working the session. The first one, Norman Smith, said of Pete's uneven play on, "Love Me Do", *"The problem wasn't with how Pete was playing, but rather with the new arrangement that he was being asked to play. it was a terrible arrangement."* And the second engineer working the session, Ken Townsend, said, *"I didn't see any reason why a session drummer would be needed to sit in for Pete. But such decisions were above my pay grade, so I kept my mouth shut."*
Finally, must I remind you that Martin also rejected Ringo's first recording of, "Love Me Do", the same as he had rejected Pete's 3 months earlier. What's additionally noteworthy about that is the fact that unlike Pete, Ringo had weeks to practice the final arrangement Martin wanted, and Martin still rejected his recording, citing poor timing by Ringo -- an assessment Paul McCartney agreed with. So the next week Richards called session drummer, Andy White, and booked him for the official recording session the following Tuesday. White said it was the first time he'd been contacted about playing with The Beatles, so he had never been called about sitting in for Pete. It was Ringo's poor performance that prompted the hiring of Andy White. Even though they were already planning on doing it had Pete remained in the band, they had not yet made that call to White. If Ringo had delivered a satisfactory recording, they never would've called White.
Oh yeah, and one more recollection from engineer, Ken Townsend: *"We had to do some heavy editing between all of Ringo's takes on, "Love Me Do", to come up with the finished version."*
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Andy White is the winner 🏆 🥇
Ringo is destined to be a Starr 👏
Pete's drumming is great.
Best love me do.
😂
don’t need to listen to; Ringo was THE Beatles drummer; I suggest looking up the BBC recording of Love Me Do; kind of Rockabilly
Pete's drumming lacks energy; it's like he's going through the motions and would rather be somewhere else.
There are pre-teen kids who play better than Pete. And yet, there are those who insist that Pete is a better drummer than Ringo. This is proof that it is farthest from truth.
There are pre-teen kids who play better guitar than John, Paul and George.
That's why Best was fired, hahahah 😅😅
Agreed, Pete Best does some cool progressive stuff like odd time signatures. Actually, the really, really odd timing ones. Its hard to explain just how odd it is. Oh I know, its so add it travels across the spectrum from cool to awesome to ground breaking and settles on the other side and landed at Pete Best sucks, like sucks so bad you pity him like when on David Letterman. Sucks so bad to pay him $ to just stop playing, i beg you Pete.
What???
Pete Best, more like Pete Worst!
you should check @TuberOnTheLoose's comment posted days ago about the context behind his performance in the anthology 1 version
@@SammyRenard yeah, it made me look at it from a new perspective. Pete didn't have time to rehearse, because they had decided to change the groove at the last minute.
@@dominikaksiazek7177 If you want even more context regarding Pete's recording, I just posted a comment that provides that. It should be the most recent comment if you Sort By "Most Recent".
By Far Andy White Was Tight.
Best quality poor
Why did they remove Pete Best from the band? Because he was bad.
Pete Best...yikes 😱
George Martin was a fool. He should have kept his opinions to himself. George Martin trying to make the Beatles sound commercial. No wonder John Lennon hated the guy.
Pete Best is pathetic, and terrible, no wonder they got rid of him. I would too!
Bass guitar has to lock in to the bass drum pattern...its a must ... only andy white achieves this ... because he listened exactly to what McCartney was playing .....ringo and Pete best didnt ..thats why their versions are not as precise and...less driven and pronounced.