Installing Windows NT on the '90s Mystery PC but Everything Goes Wrong...
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Today we're revisiting the '90s Mystery PC that was donated to me a few months ago. I need to wipe the hard drive in this thing, but turns out I may not have to because everything took a turn for the worse.
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“You’re a hard drive, you don’t get to decide if you’re ready” 😂
oh hi
@@vlsaurus1700 hey
hi
F for the hard drive 😔
@@turtleburger200 F :)
been loving this "but everything goes wrong" series, because it's 100% what the channel was built up from. We all experience issues over and over and can't find a solution until you realize you have to click 1 button. And this channel repressends all of that stress in 10 minutes for regular a regular everyday joe to understand. Love your videos, Keep it up Michael.
Gay
Yes
I think you mean 38:15 not 10.
@@anon_y_mousse bruh man cmon it feels as if you watch a 10 minutes video.
Click 1 button.. sure
A bunch of old USB drives started a band, but people today think they're lame.
They only had 1 gig.
This is gold
Nice
legitimately good
new joke im stealing thanks :D
If my dad was an it guy he would say this
10:30 Old PCs relied more on the 5v and 3.3v Rails for most of the power, with 12v Supplemental power being a thing only after 2004 with the EPS Connector.
No modern PSU has enough amperage in those rails because nowadays, almost everything is fed through 12v, with only SATA, USB, and some Fan Controllers still relying on 5v and 3.3v; heck, the one reason why Berg Connectors (Floppy Connectors) still appear on modern PSUs, is because some fan hubs and Liquid Cooling pumps use the connector.
If it isn't a capacitor issue, the issue has to do with how modern computers are powered compared to older ones. The ORION PSU has over 32A on the 3.3v rail and 35A on the 5v Rail.
I have a modern SilverStone Strider PSU with 500W. Its amperage? 13A on 3.3v and 17A on 5v. This thing wouldn't fly in 1996.
Unless he is trying to boot an athlon xp barton, the 5v requirements should not be so high.
some atx power supplies work with older hardware, but those atx power supplies are the very first ones, not a new modern ones. Bad things happen using those modern power supplies.
@@rdxdt I remember having issues with that platform as well.
1) You need to check the 5v rail when you combine new PSUs with old systems. The last PSU you used worked fine because it has 34A (or something like that) on the 5v rail, but you should watch that more closely next time. The lack of a -5v rail can also cause issues with some cards.
2) Your ST340014AS hard disk is a 40 GB unit, but the motherboard is clearly hitting the classic 8.4 GB ceiling, that can (and will) cause problems. You can use a smaller drive, mod/patch the BIOS, or use a DDO like Ontrack. At this point, I'd ditch the entire hard disk, buy a CF-to-IDE adapter and use a 2GB CompactFlash card.
3) There's an old low-level format utility, MAXLLF. It works with any drive but it was made by Maxtor, so you could try that with the other hard disk.
4) That last bootable CD-ROM you were using is a mess. It's using UMBPCI and creating a RAMDrive... just because. A cleaner environment (like copying the W98 CAB files to a temporal folder on the hard disk and installing from there) is recommended.
5) Test. The. RAM. You're dealing with 20+ years old memory modules.
This definitely deserves another round. Good luck!
Took the words out of my mouth... ;)
All the right answers in one place.
Spot on. And never underestimate number 5.
I agree.
Alsoooooo hiren boot cd is not working on 16mb ram And Maybe Not Supported Cyris Cpu
hiren need 192mb of rom for running partedmagic and windows xp And Need 200 MHZ To Running mini windows xp
OR Also You Can Plug HDD To ide/sata TO USB AND Format The HardDrive
Simple,Easy, quick, hassle-free
Ah all the pains and troubles fidling around with a 90's PC brings back so many memories... I love it!
That intro made me laugh! Your humour is one of thr reasons I love this channel!
You have a typo in your comment: the*
Say goodbye to the heart on your comment lol
_"Alright guys i think it's about time for some hard drive errors wooooo!!!"_ Best intro yet XD
Yes 😂
YEAH LMFAO😭-
Let’s go!! I’ve been waiting for part 2 to come out. This’ll definitely be an interesting watch.
This guy just hasn't got luck with 90s PCs...
Same here too
@@mica7191 with any old computer in general, poor man
Love your videos. Already died from laughing just from watching the intro when you said "Alright, it is time for some hard drive errors! Wohooooooooooooo!". They always make me laugh and it is just amazing content! Good job. Probably the best CZcamsr out of my entire subscription list. Btw, loved that sponsor spot! It was so funny when you trew everything on the ground.
Cracked me up too! Love Michael
Same here. This is stress relief at its best (for us, anyway).
Yeah that just cracks me up every time, absolutely _nailed_ the delivery, you couldn't script that
Modern Atx have different amperages too. I forget the details, I think it's the 5v amperages are lower then a typical AT power supply, and the MB expects the higher 5V amperages... It might be worth doing some research into this.... Every problem you had could maybe be related to this.
AT systems had most of load on 5V rail. Modern ones expect loaded 12V rail and most of the load on 5V is from USB, so it is relatively low, compared to older systems.
@@fhunter1test Perfect, so that means I have it right the ATX power supplies have lower 5V output ratings then the AT ones at the same wattage, which is why he needed a bigger ATX supply. And there's a chance it's not bigger enough because they don't build ATX supplies expecting you to load up the 5V rail.
my Corsair TX650M i had no issues with on my pentium 1 PC.
@@TheGodOfAllThatWas It's a bit more complicated than that. Old ATX supplies had the same ratings as AT supplies, it wasn't until the later half of the 2000s that they switched to mostly 12 volts. 20-pin ATX supplies like the one he tried with all the Molex drive connectors will still have plenty of 5v capacity.
@@eDoc2020 he specifically mentioned he doesnt have the -5 didn't the early ones you mentioned have the -5?
The power supply issues of the replacements are probably either certain lines not being powerful enough or maybe some inrush current being too high.
Perhaps degraded capacitors made the old and possibly new ones more sensitive to this.
I love the way he says "480 WATT POWER SUPPLY"
Also, like the fact that he just piles like 2000 floppy disks on his floor just for Linode
The part of "it's time for hard drive errors" had me laughing out loud! 🤣💪 Awesome video!
90's mysteries have always been complicated
Oh yeah you know its going to be good when its an 'everything goes wrong' video.
I'm fairly new to computers and most of the things you do are foreign to me but I find something oddly satisfying watching you talk about it. Thanks for the content.
"Alright guys, I think its time for some Hard Drive Errors wooooooooooo.....
Not Ready? What do you mean Not ready!? You're a fricking hard drive you don't get to decide if you're ready or not!"
I laughed soooo hard 😂😂
Well done Intro, Michael 👍😂
I was so impressed on you when at 8:00 minute mark you casually plugged and unplugged 3 molex connectors in the row like its not a big deal. Those connectors were absolute monsters and I usually had to spent 15 minutes every time and hurt my fingers to unplugg them. I also hated old hard drives cables, they were clunky and hard to connect...
Even if *EVERYTHING* did go wrong in this video I still enjoyed it! 👍
The thumbnail really looks like *EVERYTHING* went wrong... 😂
These videos crack me up I love it. Reminds me of a lot of the frustrations my dad and I went through on older systems. Please definitely keep ‘em coming
The BIOS only detected the Hard Drive as 8GB, you might need to set the CHS manually.
If it’s a sea gate drive, use seatools to limit the capacity to a few GB and drive again.
This 👆
Definitely this, your bios can't access it correctly as it's way to old. The pc bios ide limits were 512mb with CHS then it increased to 8.4gb then to 32gb LBA. You could use the seatools to translate it but I myself went for a cheap PCI SATA controller with a bios on it.
Computer: Energy Star icon prominently on the BIOS screen
Also computer: requires 500W power supply for 90s-era hardware
@Michael MJD Normally, to overcome the lack of a -5v supply, I would recommend getting a "Voltage Blaster" that was designed by Phil's Computer Lab and Necroware. In this case, the first ATX PSU does have the white wire which is that supposedly missing -5v. The second one does not, so it's your choice which avenue to pursue. I have a feeling that the dying hard drive was the issue with the power consumption. The extra wattage seems to be what kicked that hard drive into gear.
One note for the floppy drive; systems this old don't detect floppy drives in the same manner as IDE drives. And speaking of IDE drives, why not invest in some SD or CF cards and the appropriate XX to IDE adapters? CF cards are getting scarce, so an SD to IDE adapter would probably be prudent. Those usually sell for around $20 anyway, minus the SD card. If you need anything, please don't hesitate to email me. I know that I can help you out with the PC showcased here with 100% certainty.
I am with you since your 60k subs
But the: Everything went wrong STILL amazes me lmao
Michael, I think you've been getting increasingly funnier over time with these videos and I love it!
You really committed to the mess for that Linode ad. Impressive
Dude, your videos legitimately make my day. I've been having an awful Friday and this video radiates the energy I needed lol.
My favourite quotes “Time for disk errors WhOoOoOo!” “Disk not ready? Your a hard disk you don’t decide that” 😂
Well, it's a tough one indeed. I don't really care if you finished the thing or not, all I was enjoying is the excitement you gave us through the tries and the knowledge you gave me. Thanks for this fantastic content!
You have a godly amount of patience Michael.
Jesus his sponsor spot made me think he lost his mind and just chucked the pc on the floor
"Not ready?! What do you mean not ready?! You're a freakin' hard drive, you don't get to decide if you're ready or not!" Oh boy, that had me laughing my ass off xD
"and maybe take me with ya because this freaking computer is driving me nuts" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That floppy disk drop really hurt
"I've been moving".... You, LGR, MVG... My whole subscription list has moved this year ha!
6:31 The 8-Bit Guy nervously sweating from the thought of jumping a PSU with a paper clip.
michael seems extra deranged/chaotic (in a good way) in this video and i'm kind of living for it???
I know what it feels like. Back in the days, I loved to repair old computers. But the pain when you think the machine don't want you to repair it, incomprehensible. But when you success, the feeling is indescribable
I "HA"d so loudly at 31:28 lmao. I loved growing up in this era because problems like this made me an absolute expert troubleshooter, not just with computers either. Transferable skills from annoying hardware/software issues. Nowadays you plug it in and it works, which is great but holy hell the satisfaction from working on something for 3 hours and swearing the house down whilst doing so only to realise the cable is damaged or something is amazing. I love this video.
21:12 "I can't even press CTRL-ALT-DELETE now" LOL!
I loved the part where he installed Windows NT.
What do you mean “not ready”? You’re a flipping hard drive, you don’t get to decide if you’re ready or not!
😂😂
Re: the power supply "third time's the charm." It wouldn't be an MJD video if things didn't go wrong. 🤣❤
As someone who also restores and tries a bunch of stuff on old PC's I can sympathize with all the issues you're having.
First off, reading through some of the comments, there some misunderstanding about ATX specifications a power rails. On ATX versions 1.0 through 1.3, the bulk of the power is still provided on the 5V (and 3.3V) rails. It was only until ATX version 2 and beyond where computers started to use the 12V rail as the main power source. Version 1.x and 2.x of an ATX power supply can be differentiated by the additional 4 pins on the motherboard connector (switched from 20 pins to 24 pins).
The two power supplies you used that shut off should have worked with the computer, as they were ATX 1.x power supplies. The over-current protection probably tripped on the first two supplies. From what I saw in the video I would surmise that there’s some sort of “short” or abnormal current usage on the board or drives. It’s not a dead short, because you were able to power the computer with a beefier supply. It could be a misbehaving power regulator or bad IC somewhere. It should get abnormally hot if that’s the case.
The power problems could also explain some of the weird issues you were having during the video. There’s nothing odd about that board or drives that would have prevented you from installing NT4 (baring any other faults like bad RAM)
Also even with an ATX 2.0 supply, unless it is cheap or the computer is particularly power-hungry, you should still have sufficient current on the 5V rail to power an AT or an ATX 1.x motherboard. This is the reason why the last 4 pins on a 24-pin motherboard connector are detachable. Of course if there’s a problem, I would check this out first.
As a side note: The -5V rail is still required in the ATX 1.x standards. Even if you’re using an ATX 2.x supply without the optional -5V rail, most ISA cards work fine because they do not use it. Only some of the older cards like the SoundBlaster 2.0 used the -5V, so check the card. If the 5th pin on the bottom of the card (closest to the bracket) is either omitted or not connected, you should be fine.
Regardless, thank you for posting on CZcams. I always admire people who are willing to take the time and share these things with everyone. It takes a lot of time and energy to do these videos so I greatly appreciate it.
Old computers and old cars have this thing in common:you do not know what is going to fail in a near future.they sometimes decide not to cooperate for unknown reasons.
That Woo at the beginning is perfection. He sounds both excited (somehow) AND so exhausted at the same time
A the classic "But Everything Goes Wrong Video"
So the “Not Ready” message is most likely caused by the old bios some boards don’t like drives over like 20 gigs and freak out so while it was detected it may be configured incorrectly however the Sata to Ide adapter could also be the cause.
I was being like "meh, I've had worse" the entire video, up unti the point the WIndows ME CD wouldn't even load in (31:19). At that point I was just cry laughing and really feeling your pain. That was ridiculous hahaha
That sarcastic "WHOOO!!" at the hard drive error had such an audible undertone of frustration warring with a stubborn refusal to give up.
This is like reliving some of my worst PC repair nightmares, but worse.
It would be helpful to include the links of previous videos in this series available in the video description.
They’re in there!
12:00 "Maybe it needs this much wattage, I don't know"
You should check the table to see what the maximal amperage is per voltage output. Modern PSUs are designed for their expected voltage draws. This used to be wildly different in the past.
So you don't need the full amount of watts, you just need the full amperage for a certain voltage channel.
Michael, if you get stuck with corrupted video files from your phone again, transcode them in cmd with FFMPEG. It's what I've done for years when things have seemingly gone wrong and/or worked on the camera/phone but not on anything else. Works with a bunch of different encoders and file types, and worked with all bar 1 of the video files I've thrown at it. Looking forward to a follow up video on NT!
Damn, this video hits so close to home. You're definitely not the only one who's had those weird issues happen; getting one step further and hit a completely new issue.. ahhh, good times.
“Thanks for Linode for sponsoring today’s decent into utter chaos.”
-MJD
As much as I don't want you to go thru a bunch of stress just for us, these videos are really funny
I hope the views are worth the trauma these installers cause you lol
Really like your videos Michael! They make my day better!
There must be a short circuit on one of those drives, the other PSUs are probably going into protection mode and switching off.
Not enough Amp on 5V Rail
There IS a short circuit inside te computer. I’m sure it’s one of those drives.
Smaller components inside the optical drive, tape drive, FDD or HDD could behave like a low resistance resistor instead of a capacitor or diode.
Using a more powerful PSU will just make sure the voltage drop (due to the short circuit) won’t be as big as an issue for the PSU.
Finding a short circuit inside this PC will be quite easy:
- Use the old PSU without the drives and check if it starts without any components (if it doesn’t, try with a load comparable to about 3 HDD’s)
- plug in every other component individually, starting with the drives (as I’m suspecting one of those drives)
- plug in the motherboard individually
There might still be an issue on the motherboard. They often use tantalum capacitors, which might pop spectacularly when shorting (due to age and degradation into a short circuit). If one of those capacitors pop, the PC will still work without that component.
That slow descent into madness made me laught. Not great for you, if everything goes wrong, but it's definetly great for us...
Accidentally flinging screws into the unrecoverable abyss is my favorite ADHD pastime.
i hate it when im trying to access a damn flash drive or hard drive and it says that “Could not access drive D:\ - Drive is not ready”
"everything goes wrong" - again? If I wouldn't know better i'd say you do it on purpose but props to you for keeping up with this stuff just for us to enjoy 😂👍
4:15 😂 many years ago I was shocked in this way when, like a fool, I forgot to unplug the power cord
31:35 There's MUST be a voice crack in that sentence somewhere! LOL
MJD: windows me
CZcams automatically created captions:windows meme
33:48 Never saw "format terminated" before. I couldn't help myself to this funny piece. I've installed OS in my day, and I've encountered that error before.
12:09
An avarage Micheal MJD video in a nutshell
These beginning edits are beautiful.
Love you!!! Really entertaining channel you're running! It's so hard to find good channels these days...
Everything goes wrong? What is this, a Michael MJD video?
You probably have a few issues with this setup, first using a SATA to IDE adapter if the CD rom is also connected. Most adapters do not allow you to set a master/slave setup or Cable Select setup. So there will be a conflict if both are on the same cable. Adapter may have a jumper for selecting.
Second, the BIOS is probably limiting you on the hard drive, DOS use to have a set limit of 504MB. Looks like it's reading the CHS and maxing out around 8GB (bios limit) even thought the drive is larger. You need a DDO program like EZ-Drive 9.06W to write to the first sector of the drive before doing anything to "limit" the size of the drive.
Why is this guy verified, but he has THREE subscribers and his @handle contains numbers in it
this is one of the more funny and one of my more favorite mjd videos
This was literally every day of my working life back when I did hardware in the mid to late 90's. I feel for you.
I enjoyed this little trip down memory lane. Hiren’s and mini tool partition wizard, if they didn’t fix it nothing would.
Michael says "power supply" like eight times in 2 minutes and next thing you know I'm humming 🎶 Lost in love and I don't know much
Was I thinking aloud and fell out of touch? 🎶
"we gotta take _this_ 'glorious' thing back off."
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*_gong_*
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"at least that sounded pretty cool"
12:09 All right guys i think it's about time for some of Phineas and Ferb's hard drive errors! whoooooo!
38 minutes and 15 seconds of Michael suffering
I feel so bad, but couldn't help to laugh of the segway to the sponsor, it was so perfect but also I'm so glad I never had to deal with that
200W is quite enough for a P1 system. My oldest system (586@133) had a 150W AT PSU and I had 3 HDD, one 2x CDROM, floppy, SoundBlaster, videocard, a Voodoo 1 card and I/O card. So the mobo was fully populated and it powered the speakers also.
I think that your problems derive from something that eat too much power. This can be a failing capacitor. If the mobo booted correctly with the smaller working PSU, then a drive can be the culprit. I think the tape drive is to blame but also can be the floppy. My guess is that the 12V rail is overloaded. Check the voltage on 12V while booting and using the computer (format, setup OS, etc).
Remove any device not needed, (floppy, tape drive, add-on cards) and try to use the HDD (check disk, format, setup OS) to see how it reacts.
Two really annoying things:
1. "I'll close the lid and screw it, it should work" (it doesn't, and you have to open it again to troubleshoot)
2. "Okay, now I'll try to turn it on with the lid open to see what's wrong" (it boots just fine, and now you have to turn it off to screw the lid in)
Bonus. "Now that I know it works, I can just turn it on" (doesn't work anymore)
Ha! Been there mate! Cheers.
"Thanks to Linode for sponsoring this decent to utter chaos."😂😂
Ahhh the old fashioned "but everything wrong"... The only episode which i am not disappointed
Random thought but this dude must be HILARIOUS after a few drinks 🤣
I usually skip a lot throughout videos because idk adhd? but this was totally entertaining through and through
I feel your pain. Every time I try and do something old computers something like this happens.
My man MJD just raged hard 10:44 damn bro!
this is the best mjd video i have seen so far, and i liked the coming up at the beginning
Speaking about CRTs: Although they're period-correct for a 90s setup, I'd highly recommend to avoid them and continue with your 4:3 LCD.
For one, you are gonna have some nasty effects on film due to the CRT's and your camera's refresh rate being out of sync.
But secondly, you'd better leave the CRT unplugged unless you wanna risk bad eyes over time. I remember having sat behind a CRT again for the first time in ages, and boy did my eyes hurt after a few minutes! I highly suspect that it's due to the CRT of my childhood PC that I'm on glasses now.
More likely it is just due to age, especially if you are approaching or are now middle aged. Most people experience worsening eyesight as they age, especially up close, it sucks.
I'm ready to put my hand in the fire that the major cause of the weird issues you're encountering is because you're using a Cyrix / IBM cpu. That's the first thing I noticed.
I used to have an IBM-branded Cyrix cpu (Cx6x86 PR-166 more precisely) and it was giving me all sorts of issues when installing Win98 / Me / WinNT (Invalid DPMI return when loading the GUI part of the setup, for example). Had no issues installing DOS / Win3.x / Win95 though.
Granted at the time I did not know I could improve stability and performance of Cyrix cpus with special registers. You should try just swapping the cpu for either a Pentium or a K6, and your issues should be solved.
You should give it another go with another cpu.
Keep up the good work, Michael ! 👌
he really messed up his room for a sponsor. the dedication!
the timing and sound at 28:38 is just really ironic 😂
27:00 this is such a relatable experience. Jank level 10/10
Michael, your not the only one. I go through the same weird, can't be explained. Computer problems as well. To make it worse, a lot of the time. I can't even search up the issue because it's so specific. Computers have a mind of their own. There is even been times I've had computers just randomly fix themselves every now, and then. People say it can't happen, and don't believe me. But it does happen. Not a lot, but it does.
Two immediate problems.
1) That IDE to SATA adapter. I had one of those years ago and what I was experiencing is EXACTLY what you are seeing here. I believe the issue is a buffering problem with the adapter and since you really can't adjust that, those adapters are absolute garbage. Yeah BIOS sees the drive and can access it, but once you start to really interact with it, you will find the performance is so bad that programs like this will fail. Find an old IDE and stick it in there or try a SD card drive emulator board like LGR uses on his older machines.
2) The fact that you need 400 to 500 watts to me implies that one of your devices either has some bad capacitors or voltage regulators that is bringing the current on the power supply down. By increasing the wattage your basically blasting thru the bad components and eventually those components will fail completely. I know I have seen this with wall wart power supplies converting 120vAC down to something like 12vDC for network switches and routers. People would give me the original power supply and the switch wouldn't work. The power supply was giving out 12v but I suspect it would not give out the full 1amp that it was rated for. So I replaced it with another 12v 1amp supply (known working) and the switch still wouldn't come on. Then I replaced it with a 12v 2amp supply and the switch came on just fine. Took switch apart and replaced 2 electrolytic capacitors and then I was able to power on the switch with the original power supply.
Of course everything goes wrong here at Micheal MJD. LMFAOO!!
I love your videos sooo much, they're so entertaining!
XDDD
The harddrive: Not ready
MJD:Wdym "Not ready", you're a a hard-drive. You don't get to decide if you're ready or not.
Lol bruh🤣😅😂
All of these need a playlist of their own playlist and show intro. Call it "...but everything goes wrong"