Stripping The Paint From A Cessna 172B Glen's Hangar - Episode #5
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- Stripping The Paint From A Cessna 172B Glen's Hangar - Episode #5
Today I'm working in the hangar removing the paint from C-FMVU a 1960 Cessna 172B. I use 3 different paint strippers designed specifically (and approved) for stripping paint from an aluminum aircraft. The first I tried was Stewarts Systems, then PTI Sure Strip, then Sunset Strip...
All three of these products removed the paint without any trouble - BUT - none of them worked very well on the red oxide primer that was on the plane. Red Oxide primer is not something that should be on the plane in the first place.
For those who are about to suggest I should have used a sander, or a grinder to remove the primer; that's a bad idea on a plane made from 2024-T3 clad aluminum alloy if you want to keep it from corroding.
As for the other registration marks I found on the empennage - One was CF-NBG, which was struck from the registry in the late 1980s.
The other registration mark was CF-OSR, that plane is still flying today but it was sold about two weeks before I shot this and is now in the United States under an 'N' number registry.
If you have any info about either of these planes, please get in touch.
#CanucksUnlimited #GlensHanger #CFMVU
⚠️ NOTE: These videos are edited for time and entertainment. Editing removes context and can remove safety checklists in the interest of time. Do not use these videos for, or in lieu of flight training.⚠️
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When I was 19 I decided to strip all the paint off my 1974 Z28 Camaro back in 1983. I used a product called Tal Strip. Worked really well. Hindsight being 20/20 it was one of the dumbest thing I ever did. It's still sitting in a garage with just primer on it. Life got in the way.
It's never too late. As an adult, you'll have the patience(and finances) to do a heck of a job on the new paint.
I stripped my 1964 172E and if I knew what I know now, I would never have started. Someone had painted it with a red primer, that I spent weeks rubbing off with a rag and paint thinner. I cleaned around every rivet with an old tooth brush. I measured my success in square inches at a time. It was repainted with epoxy primer and polyurethane paint. I sold it after owning it for 30 years and its still beautiful.
In the late 80s early 90s as kid my brother and I were painters helpers for my dad at a shop where they only painted commercial vehicles, tractors, 18 wheelers/ trailers etc. We used a reddish/brown colored putty primer made by Imron to fill pinholes in the undercoat or over bare metal and scratches. I’m fairly certain that’s what this is. Back then, there were far fewer restrictions and this stuff was gnarly if you caught a whiff or got any on your skin.
Even outside the kichen, Glen still has to deal with aluminum foil
If there is only one thing that I learned as a hanger rat, it is never let anyone who isn't a licensed engineer or aviation painter advise you on the products and procedures relevant to stripping, painting or polishing and aircraft. Some of the comments here are down right wrong and potentially dangerous.
Only aviation approved strippers, abrasives, paints and polish's should be used on aircraft and suitable techniques applied when using them.
Aircraft refinishing is expensive for a reason. There are no short cuts. Don't try and find them.
Absolutely correct!! Why would people do this not only harm the aircraft but also your health and environment if you don’t know what your doing
@@billjones3071 Everything I did was under the supervision of professionals, no harm was done to the aircraft, my health, or the environment. We only used aircraft approved stripper etc, and inspectors from Transport Canada spent a lot of time watching what I was doing as well.
@@GlensHangarGood on you Glen. I don't think people realize what a responsible and careful person you are. I was certain from jump that you had appropriate supervision.
There are arm chair expert - critics all over the internet. I appreciate Glen producing and making these journals available for our understanding, discussion, and learn what you want.
@@GlensHangar My apologies for a very late reply. For some reason, I have only just received notification of your post. I am in no way referring to the methodology and products that you have used or your meeting of compliance in your region. In fact, your job looks to be very well executed in a most professional manner.
My concern was regarding some of the suggestions in the comments section, below.
As I revisit what I have posted, I can understand that I have created some confusion with regards to who my criticism is directed toward. For that, I sincerely apologise. as it was in no way intended to be directed to yourself.
5:55 excellent take, speaking about toxic fumes, you can actually see them coming out of the paintbrush.
Loving the channel Glen!
I LOVE polished aluminum aircraft... (that other people put the effort into polishing so I can admire them)!
and polished corrode lot fasten than painted plane.
And I love matte aluminum for some reason.
One thing that comes to my mind (I'm just binge-watching these vids by september 2022) is, that when I was putting together aircraft models (made from plastic) in the early 7ties, someone told me that brake fluid would kill all paint. Even eat some glues.
Never tried it. Dunno about today's stuff. Maybe you can drink it. That was not the case, back then!
Greetings from the far north of Germany!
This is very fun to see this process of a hard working Glen realizing his dreams to own a plane by very practical means.
the strobe on the vertical stab captured my attention like a striper on a pole.
Don't know if it's permissible on aviation applications, but the remedy for reactivating stripper after it begins to dry is to have a spray bottle of laquer thinner to spray over the area. Also long heavy slow brush strokes in one direction only will help eliminate the inconsistent areas. The spray bottle is a necessity.
Two of the products I used specifically said not to do that - the other didn't mention anything about it... but I'll stay on the side of caution.
The most difficult part with any project like this are the naysayers. The people constantly telling you how much work you're doing, how happy they are not to have to do it, etc. etc. Avoid those people as much as possible and block their comments out. Personally, I enjoy this sort of zen-like work every ten years or so. I'm looking forward to stripping my plane in the coming months. I will be locking myself up in the hangar as a recluse while not telling anyone what I'm doing.
The Susnet Strip is the route I will be taking. It's environmentally friendly and, after watching this video, it seems to work as well as the PTI which is what I was initially planning on using. Thanks for the video.
Dude I take my hat off to you for all the energy time and effort to strip this baby to the aluminum!!! You will probably pick up 5% performance with all the layers of paint and red oxide primer gone!!! It has to be satisfying and comforting know that you have now exposed the plane to its core and can have it painted knowing as an owner it is now done right!!! I wish I was 10-15 years younger I would find me an older plane and restore! Very encouraging that it can be done!!!
Sir you did an OUTSTANDING Job Cheers 👍👌😇🍻🍻
The Aluminum looks fantastic Glen. Well worth the pain
I've loved your cooking channel for years. Seeing you create content for another one of my interests is fantastic and I am really loving every video.
I had no idea how traceble planes and therefore plane parts are, even if they are out of service for decades. Fascinating.
I read an article (dont know how factual it is) about sanctions on Aeroflot Airlines of Russia. They claimed that Aeroflot has to start cannibalize it's own aircrafts as nobody in the world is willing to send them any spare parts for fears of being sanctioned themselves, because they are all completely traceable.
Bad news about aluminum, you have to polish aluminium every week to keep it looking good. Back in the late 70s the military used a liquid paint stripper that took one half day to remove all paint from the tank and trucks, was sprayed on then washed off. No other labor needed
Brave man taking that kind of a job on, on the occasions I have been demented enough to try this it involved removing the prop, engine, engine bearer, all control surfaces the wings, vertical and horizontal stabilizer the entire interior including the instrument panel and finally the landing gear. Paint stripped with dry ice and then sent all the parts out to a professional paint shop.
The control surfaces will come off (as time and hangar space allows) - instrument panel comes out soon.... keep yours out for that.
172! I would have believed it was a 175, didn't know they made 172s with swept fin and straight back.
Looks amazing all clean.
I’m subscribed and the videos are great Glen. Keep up the good work. Watching from Victoria BC.🇨🇦🤘🏼
Wow......Glen....a plane. Im envious. Very very cool. Truly awesome project and hobby. Good for you
Hi Glen! Nice meeting you at CNV8 today. Keep up the great work. Cheers. MattThePilot
Thanks for stopping by! Come for a visit anytime.
I'm so happy about this channel. 😁
Wow! Incredible dedication and hard work produced a great looking airplane. Maybe I'll try that myself one day...
I would be proud of that airplane already! Stunning!
Um… 4 days? Good luck.
It took me three months of weekends and untold gallons of “Plane Naked” to completely strip mine… but mine was an original paint from factory over 50 years old and a tarmac queen for at least 15 years before I tackled the job.
But looking back on it, it was very rewarding. I also painted it myself (3 coats, one color)… that took less time than the stripping
I don't know how hard taking care of a base aluminum finish would be, but that base look looks cool.
Undoubtedly a labor of love.
I would polish it and then have it ceramic coated. All of the warbird guys swear by it. Even the exhaust wont stick to a P-51. You won’t need to polish nearly as often.
That’s part of the plan
im glad who believe this ceramic coat fool today anywere, big scam and fail all ceramic shit fool have, only idiot can believe this shit lie.
@@mattivirta - such a sunny review I'll be sure to file this in the appropriate bin. - trash.
@@mattivirta work on your grammar. I’m not talking about the crap that you buy at Autozone. There are good quality products available
What kind of dressing do prefer on your word salad?
Your work on your new plane sort of reminds me of Susie the Little Blue Coupe from the old Disney cartoon but of course an airplane. I am enjoying your series, thanks for sharing.
Huge fan of your cooking channel and just now discovered this channel. Very interesting to watch the process. Looks great.
Methylene chloride is an old school paint stripper that usually makes short work of primer as well as paint. You can't use pure methylene chloride on aluminum though as it produces a flammable gas. But you can use a stabilized product like Benco (brand) B17 on aluminum. It's a very aggressive stripper with great results but **must** be rinsed off within 90 minutes though to prevent etching similar to bead blasting.
Lovely!
Congrats And looks great.
Got to admire your determination. Chop chop hurry up, next video please 😂😎🇬🇧🇬🇧
Just bought a 59' 172! I'll watch what you then do what you do! Thanks!
What a transformation! Easy for me to say, but the result was well worth the effort.
Wow looks great
If your plane has the logbooks from the 70s, there will be an entry for your tail change out. If not then the most logical explanation is that that is the original registration letters for your airplane but it was deregistered during one of those lengthy down times and then re-registered with the current registration letters
That clear polished look on an aircraft is a good look. This aircraft is going to look really cool. Add a couple of clear coats to the skin and the aircraft will look fantastic.
Looks great
Glen, you know I worry about you. And so, your mindfulness exercise is to treat everything this week as zero fail. Forget the shopping list? That's a prang. Need to return to the shed for another tool? That's a prang. Think "Now, what did I come in here for?" Better believe that's a prang. XO stay safe up there.
Now I wrap it in tin foil and put it in the oven... I mean hanger For 2 days at 30 deg.
Mind you, the glaze is looking awesome Glen.
Cheers,
Nice 👍 work Glen. Back in the 60s I stripped the paint off a 20 foot catamaran with home made paint remover. I called it my Viking blend.. I worked great 👍.
Wow! I just discovered you're also a plane guy!! Love your food channel, now I have to follow you here! (I'm a retired AME in the GTA)
Some years ago I acquired a Luscomb with painted wings and an aluminum fuselage and tail. Many hours were spent polishing. still shudder whenever I see a can of metal polish. When I eventually sold the aircraft, I threw in the polisher as a gift. Truth be told, I never wanted to see another polisher again either!
Nice plane!
I like shiny airplanes. Lol. Especially the classics
I polished a 1958 Lotus Seven. At times I used 3M red pads or 220 wet dry paper to take off nits. It took a lot of time and several different polishes and pads but it came out very nice. Not fully mirror as there are too many deep pits in the aluminum to get a true mirror finish. A deWalt polisher with digital speed control worked well. Wool bonnet to start the process. It is a good winter project as sweat corrodes aluminum. The aluminum will warm up due to friction from the polishing. Switched to cotton pads and an orbital for the final polish. Had to hand polish some of the hard to get to areas. Good luck.
That's some nice work stripping your airplane.
Perhaps a mix of polished aluminum with some vinyl wrap over some problem areas could render a pleasing design?
But very nice work, and great videos!
The tail/tail number history is fascinating.
You are a better man than I am, Gunga Den!
Looks great Glenn. I live and fly in southern Ontario as well. When it is polished there is a product called John’s 360 to wipe on after and it will stay shiny.
Danny
I've been looking at that product; people seem to have great things to say about it.
Looks great. I'll be curious to see how non-reactive the bare aluminium will be with age. I wonder if using some sort of clear-coat over some of the harder wearing surfaces might not be a bit of the best of both worlds (since you have a sprayer anyway).
Good heavens Glen, what a lot of work. I hope you at least enjoyed your corn chowder for lunch. 😀
Its a not a "filler" in the primer paint. Its a catalyst. Be careful....a lot of the red oxide primers have lead in them. For working around the rivets without removing metal try the 3M roloc rubber, rotary bristle abrasives....and/or the 3M scotch bright circular pads that are part of the Roloc system. Very nice work!
It looks like a butcher did the last paint job on that plane and there is no way in the world it was ever compliant with regs. Those 3m nylon Rolocs are great but you've got to be careful. We used to use a plastic scraper on rivets and finish them with white Scotchbrite by hand. I saw a Cessna 210 nearly end up at the wrecking yard after someone had taken to it with Scotchbrite on some sought of power tool. Literally hundreds of rivets had to be replaced as someone who "knew what they were doing" had managed to erode half of the rivet heads away with Scotchbrite.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 yes.....people who do not work with coatings and especially abrasives....have a tendency to think that "Scotchbrite" are soft/low abrasive. The common green scotch brite is about 360 grit aluminum oxide IIRC. The fingers on the rubber roloc pads are excellent for rivets.....but they MUST be used with stripper gel. The stripper is actually doing the work. The fingers on the roloc are just for reach. Very slow tool speed and low pressure. I have alwo seen them used mounted on an oscillating tool.
@@jessegreenwood1956 It sounds like you've worked in aviation. Many of the commenters here don't have an understanding of the unique nature of aviation re finishing and the regulations that surround it. Unfortunately neither do some plane owners, as I've found! That is a great idea mounting rolocs to a multi tool. I wish that I'd known that one when I worked in the industry.
My best advice on polishing is to get someone knowledgeable on aluminum polishing specifically have them take a look at the sanded areas. Like others have commented there are possibilities to polish sanded areas.
Other benefit is specific guidance on polishing aluminum if you need it.
Im a truck driver and spend many hours polishing you can polish out sanding marks. watch some youtube on polishing fuel tanks they often start out by sanding the tanks and end up with a mirror finish
Unfortunately sanding airplane skins is a no-go. The skins are structural and also are a clad 2024 alloy - if you break through the cladding it's a world of hurt.
Wow 30 degrees in late Canadian summer. I always thought that Canada was a cold country, never thought it got so hot in summer.
Sweet!
The wings on my 1946 stinson 108 had that same red primer that is really hard to remove.
I plan strip as much as will come off easily, then say the heck with what will not come off, assuming I can paint over it as a primer.
Of course different from your project, my wings will be covered by fabric, but it's good to see others struggled with this red oxide primer.
It was horrible - but once I figured out that the last of it came off with lacquer thinner the project moved along nicely. I ended up using 3-4 gallons of lacquer thinner and a pile of rags.
Hello past and future Glen! Loving the look of the plane. Can't wait to see your adventures with it!
It's looking good!! I am curious what colour strip you decide on! I am guessing red
Great stuff. I watched quite a few automotive videos about detailing cars and the latest thing seems to be using a clear ceramic coating that looks really easy to apply and protects the finish. Maybe it would could work for an aircraft? If they're good enough for supercars why not a C172? But I'm not sure if it can be applied to bare metal.
Wow, great job, man! I want to do the same with my plane, I have 210HP Cessna FR172E Reims Rocket, and I think it will looks just perfect in polished aluminium, and some blue or red stripes. My plan is to paint it like C172M model, but white spots will be not painted, but polished.
Very enjoyable following your restoration. Wow what a tough job... how many days did it really take to strip the paint?
Getting sandpaper marks out is really easy. You take them out with finer sandpaper--not too much finer, a step or two will do. That sandpaper (use wet and dry with water) will also leave its own finer marks, so you go to finer again. It usually only takes a few steps to get to fine enough to polish. I'll often use a series like 400, 800, 1200, polish. Don't go to the next finer if you haven't gotten all the marks from the previous out. You're done with a grit when the _only_ marks left are those from the sandpaper you're using. Don't jump too far, because if the sandpaper is too fine, it will polish the scratches you're trying to get out instead of removing them. There are sandpapers with grits in the range 2000 and up, but at that point you are polishing anyway. I do have them but only use them if I'm going for a glass like surface and then I follow up with successive polishings with finer and finer grit polishes.
Huge progress - looking forward to next steps! Your idea of maintaining a period sensibility is a great plan 👍
Looks good Glen!
If those areas of previously sanded aluminium are relatively small, you could probably restore them with micro mesh. (Lee Valley carries it). For $30 in materials and another couple hours of elbow grease, it’s probably worth trying…
Also worth trying, Eagle One Wadding polish... Look for it at your automotive parts store
That "under coating" is actually marinara sauce, no doubt this plane was involved in the Winnipeg Spaghetti incident
Seems like the lessons here are:
1. Go with a sprayer/pressure wash system from day one.
2. Disassemble completely, since you are going to end up doing it anyways. Control surfaces, plastics, windshield, remove.
This pretty much matches what I saw them do to my aircraft. It takes a strong stomach. My A/C looked like a complete wreck during stripping.
Keep the good videos coming 👌🏻 great to see this process! The time and effort you are taking to made these videos and document this is restoration is well appreciated 👍
That plane would look nice painted with a P-51 D-Day paint scheme. Mat green in front of the windshield, yellow nose cone, and a checkered tail. Maybe even some D-Day stripes on the wings
I suggest you find an outfit that offers dry ice blasting. This technique is extremely effective at removing stubborn finishes like primers and is also great at getting into small and delicate areas (hinges, crevices, etc.).
Nice work Glen, it looks great.Any chance you weighed it before starting? I'd be curious how much all that paint weighed
I believe I’m confident enough to say that dry ice cleaning would have removed all of the surface paint down to the bare metal without any chemicals
I looked into this - yes it would have worked.
The price was astronomical, and in the end no one was willing to come out and do it.
Love your work Glen, as usual great explanations of the process
I've seen an aluminum CJ that was polished with WD45 and Scotch Brite then painted with clear polyurethane.
Hi Glen. A lot of hard work there and looks great. If you do find out about the tail and why its on your plane, please share it on a video. Quite interested to know why.
The plane looks tremendous! I’m impressed that you go that much done in only 4 days.
Looks great. Have you considered clear coat to preserve your hard work and finish.
I’ve been painting since we were using lacquer paints, best stripper I’ve ever used was called Aircraft paint stripper. It’s yellow In color and I’m not even sure it’s sold anymore. Lay it on thick and don’t over brush it.
In tiny print at the bottom of the ‘Aircraft Stripper’ can is a line: “Not for use on Airplanes”. 🤣 Apparently too corrosive on aluminium.
Hahahahaha too funny 🤣
@@GlensHangar But the name, lol. It is good stuff tho. Never a fun job for sure . There is another way , throw dollar bills at it. Wait that’s another stripper.
@@GlensHangar I guess they call it Aircraft Remover because it removes the whole aircraft.
Flames!!!
An interesting journey and I feel you tired future Glen.
I never got the polished Al thing. It does oxidize. Aluminum in fact oxidizes immediately and is will corrode eventually. Now I'm not a plane guy but I learned this with motorcycle cases and covers. Nothing wrong with painting aluminum.
You might try blasting the bits of red primer with soda or walnut shells. Messy but it may be quicker.
"...to try out some different strippers to see which one would work" - Hope Jules was in on this?!
😉
Hi Glen I'm feeling your pain, just bought a 1984 J24 sailboat and having to gut it completely to get rid of the grime mildew and botched paint work. I suggest you try engine turning the finish, that would look really cool and it's not that difficult on aluminum.
Kleen Strip makes a aircraft paint stripper that used to work very well. However big brother has made them remove what made it so good in the name of being eco friendly. It was pretty nasty.if you got a drop on your skin you were running for water very fast and the fumes were nasty;....but it worked great. The new Kleen Strip does not even come close to the old stuff. I used to use it on cars in my body shop on occasion. Just like your plane it was not all that effective on the primer and especially the factory E cote on the cars. For some reason it was almost useless on lacquer paint....luckily hardly any of that is around on cars anymore. I bought a Dustless Blasting system a while back and its nice but not perfect. I doubt if that could be used on aircraft for a number of reasons...for one it can be bit harsh on aluminum but I see where some have got to where they can do aluminum very well. I use crushed glass and it does a great job....but all the sand on a aircraft might be a issue.....just not sure.. You did a great job....good for you.
Anything can be polished. Just takes time, money, and GAS (give a shit). Run until you exhaust one of the resources. Sand scratches are removed by sanding them out with progressively higher grit. Never ever sand by hand without an interface between your hand and substrate to be sanded/polished. Usually work up to about 2000 before attempting to polish. Paint strippers just suck these days. I don't recall a single modern product burning my skin. Where as back in the 90's a single drop would get your attention. The red oxide layer was quite thick, and it has a great affinity to absorb the chemicals just enough to become messy but not enough to remove it. Color coats were most likely enamel. Paint stripper does better at breaking the cross links and it peals right off. Red oxide was probably lacquer based and just absorbs it and sits there.
I knew this was taped a while back, but August? A whole month? Dang, love when video are done over sometime! This is why i love the aging meats videos! Keep it up man! Love these airplane ones
Glen , you gotta hit her with White color and some aggressive vinyl graphics,,,good effort Stripping
I have a 1958 C-172 that is mostly bare aluminum and the two different colors about the fuselage and accents on tips. I'm wanting to keep it polished and return to it's original factory paint color. I want to remove the chipping paint that is currently on the bird. Did you ever give thought to soda blasting or is that too abrasive on a potential polished finish? I wonder if I I should stick with a painted-on removal product like you used. Any guidance?
Can you use a Zephyr aluminum polish kit on an airplane? I've had some beat aluminum fuel tanks and truck panels brought back to a mirror shine and you actually DA sand them first. I imagine there's not too much material thickness to work with though.
I just want to say thanks for sharing your aircraft channel, I remember first watching your cooking videos for help since I am probably the most mediocre cook in Ontario (maybe the whole of Canada as well lol).
But this channel is cool as heck.
What is the flash on the tail light in the beginning of the video?
You must be looking forward trips to Montreal to restock your bar.
Nice work, I would think twice about polishing the aluminum it's a never ending thankless task that you will tire from. The plastic wrap is the way to go because it costs less and is much faster than paint. Good luck whatever you decide.
There is a tutorial on aluminum polishing at Kermit Weeks channel. It's labeled Serversky 35 wing fabrication part 2....or something close to that. I tried to copy and paste but failed. Stripping paint is a drag. We did a Comanche this summer and have three sets of floats and a Dehavilland beaver lined up this winter.
Aviation maintenance is not for the timid.
Here's the link: czcams.com/video/PVRywVuQvHA/video.html
Great project,, Which is the airport you are settled? Canada, Ontario,...? I might come by some times. Thanks
It must be possible to polish the alu to almost mirror finish? Shouldnt it?
What about wrapping? Like they do on cars.