Children increasingly refusing to go to school | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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Thanks for the CZcams videos of the whole show. As a Yankie who likes to keep tabs on British matters, having a listen to what the citizens directly contribute is brilliant. And James is great too I guess.
James is grating alright
'A different bias' is also a fantastic CZcams channel concerning British politics too! 🙂
It's like Vivek Ramaswamy - the Indian presidential Republican candidate - who strongly opposed affirmative action and government aide and yet took a government affirmative action scholarship for $50,000 himself WHILE MAKING HIGH SIX FIGURES.
Literally pulling up the ladder after they've climbed up. Vivek is a joke.
What people don't understand about the period of covid, there was a lot of trauma experience by everyone, especially to children. Routines are important to children and it gives them a sense of certainty which is comforting; to know you are being looked after. What children experienced was a loss of that routine, constant access to media with negative information about death and with adults who had no idea what was going on and dealing with our/their own mortality at such a young age. All this created a reality clash for some kids and they have become apathetic to education as they no long see life with that veil of comfort bit that life can change and adults may not have the answers, so some choose to opt out of their original routines. We need to work within a trauma informed responses with school, parents and centering the child.
@@BrianBadondebowl and so saved many of their lives. No comparison.
We say "trauma" but studies show that we grossly overestimate the extent of the impact of home stay. Many introverts and students with some diverse needs actually preferred home learning.
I taught for months of a lockdown, and my five Science classes all reported, unasked, that they really enjoyed their very interactive Zoom lessons - pets welcome. To provide social interaction, every day we also had free time for chat, yoga / exercise classes, singalongs to playlists of their devising, games and competitions.
When they came back to school, masks and social distancing were not hardships to most. Some children with diverse needs were exempt, but the majority wore masks, without complaint, seeing it as just like wearing seat belts to save their lives in a car crash. They also happily sat in circles socially distancing at recess and lunch.
I had to get my son two cats. Their litter stinks even though we change it daily, they tore up my furniture and there's fur everywhere. He said they got him through the pandemic, that he feels calmer with them around.
Personally, I found going to school more traumatic than ever not having to. The academic lessons could be taught much more easily and cheaply on the internet, and access to community-owned science labs and workshops with tuition could be provided on much less age-specific basis. The only thing you'd lose without a school is the 30-a-side footy at lunchtimes.
Well said
In Sweden all primary school children went to school and they have found not to be behind at all now and they have the lowest excess death rate in Europe at 4.4 percent. The pm gave the public individual responsibility for their actions
Schools are becoming increasingly authoritarian its no surprise students are voting with their feet..im a teacher who grew up in the eighties and it feels like weve gone back to the seventies in terms of how we treat children, especially in academies. E.g. having to ask permission to pick up a pen in class!
I do not know if any school has insisted on permission being sought to pick up a pen. But poor behaviour, disengagement and outright hostility to any form of authority are major issues in many parts of the UK education system. Poor parenting is the root cause as students spend 80% of their time outside of school. How they are brought up in the first five years determines outcomes later on in life. Many parents cannot control their own children and do not want to take responsibility for doing so. Others do not know how to as the 'art' of parenting has been lost in many cases for a number of reasons, including selfishness, not spending time speaking as a family, distractions in the form of electronic media, and the long hours culture in the UK that means a lot of parents do not see their children much across the week. The social contract between parents and schools is breaking down but I guarantee that if schools become lax on expectations as some are now advocating, behaviour will worsen and more students will not be able to learn. OFSTED is not fit for purpose but in 2014 a report found that in some schools up to a day a week of learning is lost due to so called low level disruption- it will be a lot worse now. Many teachers cannot control their classes, there is inconsistency across schools ( even allowing for different styles and personalities- you need different types of teachers in schools), and very often managers do not provide the support they are meant to if it is required. Most teachers try to resolve issues themselves in the first instance, rightly so. But many managers do not command the respect of students and teachers are blamed for poor behaviour they simply should not have to put up with as part of the job. Education is broken and no-one knows how to fix it. The parents who resented authority when they were at school have won though and Britain will pay the price for decades as a consequence when it finds many of today's generation are not equipped to cope with the requirements of the workplace.
Schools have been authoritarian since the 80s.
Lifeboat Politics: "I've made it and the boat can't take anyone else"
School environments/schoolwork gives me severe panic attacks from the years the school spent trying to gaslight me into going. It brings back all the horrible feelings I used to feel going in. I've always struggled to focus on the work and used to always daydream for most of the lesson and then do as much as I can in the last 10-15 minutes (usually maths or English). I wasn't really 'bad' at the work but I never went out of my way to try hard because I'd just get more of it. Being half asleep every class gets noticed and so then I started to get picked on. A few years of that slowly chips away and then you have secondary school. That went about as well as you'd expect, left my mental health damaged and now I'm in the situation I'm in. I don't think I'll be able to get my functional skills because of my personal situation so I've pretty much had to accept that certain careers I'd enjoy doing I'll probably never be able to get into. I really wish there was more options for people in my situation but there isn't. The amount of times I've heard "There's options!" I know people say it because they're not sure what the right thing to say is but it just makes it so much worse when you can't find any. The fact that one US study found 75% of students had negative feelings towards school should prove that the modern education system is failing 75% of students.
As someone who has been in your shoes, I urge you to seek professional help for your possible ADHD. I know how hard it is to focus on schoolwork when your mind is constantly wandering and restless. I struggled with the same problem when I was young, and so did my daughter. But her life changed for the better when she got diagnosed and treated by a psychiatrist. With the right medication, my daughter went from failing grades to straight A’s in just a few months. She was so inspired by her transformation that she became a teacher herself, hoping to help other students like her.
I wish I had done gcse before hormones kicked in..
Schools need to provide healthy free hot meals for all children, children need to be able to access food and drink throughout the day and use the toilet..get a toilet attendant. Children need to feel comfortable and safe. They also need a full dinner hour and pe
These poor kids have to leave school, and there is not going to be same help from colleges, universities, workplaces like you can arrange at school. It's gonna be a tough world for a lot of them - let's hope mental health services get better.
One has to agree with her, just look at the results, starting with her, Rishi, Kwasi, Priti Patel etc...look at what they have done to the UK
As a teacher who worked for years, during and following the Covid peak,in a special unit for school avoiders, I can tell you that many, many of the children who don’t want to go to school are like that because of their screen addictions. They would rather be in bed at home using their screens. Yes Covid lockdown had an impact because they got to experience just that for months.
Hating the state education format goes back a lot further than gadgetry does. Don't you think it might have something to do with giving young people a taste of the non arbitrary life?
I revere teachers (anybody who wants to share their insights and knowledge). I despise the state education system. So, it's probably not your fault. It might not even be the physical building. The psychological diversity that exists in adults is also there in children. Some of us learn very differently to others. The system seems loathe to acknowledge that. It would be a huge step (to go from a 'one size fits all plus remedial' to something more dualist).
I bet, teaching the kids you teach, you hear the word 'Why' all the time. "Why do we have to be here?" "It's the law - you must be in some form of education and this one takes the least amount of involvement." "Why is it the law?" You'll get that?
I think there are two main human groups - those on the autistic scale and those on the sociopathic scale. These groups do not get along well at all. They probably supplement each other but they have very different needs. You might be involved in trying to apply the regime, designed to meet the needs of the sociopathic scale, onto those on the autistic scale (which, I suspect, includes the ADHD and ADD types). The sociopathic scale children are more than happy to be in school (They are more likely to enjoy the status jockeying that requires others to be physically present. They're competitive. They like forming groups and exclusions. They respond, with less guile and suspicion, to praise.). You won't be allowed to go off script, though. Frankly, I don't know if it's possible to serve (educationally) the autistic spectrum kids when they are in the typical group sizes. They're like cats. You're trying to wrangle cats. And they will, always, be accidentally distracting each other - despite being much more individualistic than the other group they will be obsessed with what each other are thinking (though, unlike the sociopathic scale, not what other people think about them). In the absence of a one on one 'This is how to do what you want to do. Emulate.' (in which scenario they may demonstrate just what remarkably quick studies they can be - before showing you how to do it more effectively) - screens are probably excellent teachers. It's very one on one. They're probably filling their heads with empty calories, though, if they haven't found a meaningful interest to pursue. There are lots of vendors, of empty calories, in the world of screens.
@@batintheattic7293 Yes, and a minority probably hated going to the very first school. But that doesn't negate the uptick that has been recorded since computer games and smart devices entered the scene.
I've been an educator in various forms across forty years. Part of one role I had was to monitor attendance data, then interview students and parents where absenteeism was an issue. In the great majpority of those cases, the parents reported screen addicition to be a huge issue for school refusal. Their children would play games / be on a device until the early hours of the morning, be too tired to go to school, sleep until lunch time, then start on the devices again.
As I mentioned, I was involved with a special unit for chronic absentees for some time. The biggest issue we had was having students hand over their phones, a measure we had had to take to have any involvement during the day. Yet this unit focused on being very student-centred and student interest driven to identify strategies that could be employed to engage individual children once they returned to their home schools.
Covid did have the impact you mention, but the issue was often because children could not be monitored as much with devices than when in school.
You can't have HATRED without a RED HAT
You can't have a "SUELLA BRAVERMAN TORY PARTY" without some "BUTTERY PARANORMAL SLAVERY". So there.
We are going through the same thing with our daughter. She missed a lot school in year 11 we thought she wouldn’t sit her GCSE’s luckily she did. We are working on building back her confidence after the lockdown took it all away. Its not the parenting at fault in our case it’s the one size fits all system of schooling is wrong. we have another kid at Cambridge studying maths and physics.
That have lowered the age of doing sats to when you are conceived. The kids are too stressed out.
All to create useless league tables.
They’re only ‘stressed out’ because they’re not allowed to use their phones in school. They know nothing about stress.
Thanks for posting the whole show!
So true
Well said James 👏👏👏👏
Suella believes herself to be as fully integrated as possible, simply because she's aligned herself to the right wing. In her mind, what else could be more British?
With regards to the house rates for second homes in Wales perhaps James should speak to Mark Drakeford about his chalet and ask if his sons 'second home' counts too.
Point of view
Surely there's something wrong with the system 😕😞🤨🤔😳
Which system? AS and immigration?
Wikipedia>> She is named after the character Sue Ellen Ewing from the American television soap opera Dallas, which her mother was a fan of.
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Dreadful shame
Conform ....
Conform in school
Conform in low pay
Conform in high tax
Conform
Disliking that word muchly
Perhaps there are deeper reasons why parents don’t want their children to go to school. County Lines, stabbing, peer pressure for internet selfies etc?
44:00 - It's probably a lot simpler; A gratitude to the powers that allowed her to be there now expressed by adopting the perspective of her patrons, namely the reigning political structure, whatever shape that takes at the moment.
Miming sounding and not neglecting the sack; only on LBC! XD
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Oh dear 😥
Is this video broken? I have tried half a dozen times and it just infinitely loads, other videos fine
In County Durham council tax on empty second homes is double if it is unoccupied.
She means, "Vote Conservative, not Labour!"
Ever increasingly, children will realise that automation means there's little chance of employment, & whether that's true or not, the perception takes away motivation.
Its the tories and brexit. Problem solved, your welcome.
There are quite a lot of really awful abusive parents who show zero willingness to help their kids including encouraging them not to go to school. I do agree they should be punished. It has to be a holistic, child welfare focused approach of course. The authorities should and do try a lot before taking legal action against parents.
Cast system and the world’s largest prison imported to UK.
What could go wrong?
Many East Indians and Pakistanis consider themselves Indo-Europeans.
Emphasis on Europeans.
From space, the UK appears to be in Europe. Only in the minds of the slavishly parochial is it not. IMHO.
Did I miss something? When did school attendance cease to be compulsory? Or maybe the definition of compulsory has changed..?
Nigel Farage has a family background of immigration as well, if I'm not totally wrong.
His wife/secretary/WHY is an German immigrant.
Why has this got such low views
Won't play
Rotten bit o' luck
100% right. In the empire, Indians considered themselves inferior to whites but superior to blacks. It's why so many scarpered when the African colonies transitioned to majority rule.
1:14:48 couldn't make that out. Pathway to Ploesti?
She is simply british!!!
ask your mates blair and starmer Job? i bet they have the correct answers :)
13:07 well to be fair multi culturalism did also give you richi sunack and priti partle .. so i mean you could argue that it has caused a lot of harm .... or more likley the same harm just with the letters jumbled up a bit :P
Bout the kids with no phones, families wiowt net conn¿?
It's about control James, but again the blanket term racism is used.
It's so tiresome
no, shes behaving anti corbyn, thats all it is.
There wouldnt be this problem if they just carried on going to school during covid
I always said they lost a generation when they stopped perfectly healthy kids go to school during covid, in fact politicians need to go to jail for the way they have handled the years 2016 - 2023
How many people died of Covid during the Pandemic waves (that we all know actually happened ) though ?
It wasn't to stop "healthy kids" going. It was to stop the teachers and family members catching it which may or may not have had other health conditions, known or otherwise...
This is unfortunately how virus control systems work.
But i do agree with jail for the Tories over that 2016-2023period.
@@TheDom277Leading scientists were saying at the time that children were as likely to suffer from ‘long Covid’ as adults were as justification for closing schools.WRONG!!
11:55 well i agree ROMANS GO HOME!! NORMANS NO THANKS, VIKING's VIKE OFF and dont even get me started on the angles saxons and jutes :P
About time this lefty, James, modernised his picture. He must be 10 years older and 10 stone heavier than when that was taken.
completely useless ad hominem, why don’t you attack his ideas instead of just posting random slander?
Watch him winning Mastermind, that's is up to date.
@@Jay-mj1tp , ooh, big words! It’s not slander, as it’s true.
Hahaha. Ridiculous
james i appreciate that you need to drink from an lbc mug but you already have the logo clearly presented on screen yet the mug is more of a size that would suit that of a nosebag full f oats for a horse
at the same time why is there a square shape that rotates behind the logo but seems to not
give any positive uplift to it
‘Children increasingly refusing to go to school’ ; mainly down to the locking down of schools James which you were all in favour of. Stay safe!
O Brien gets schooled again
Not bothering to watch the video yet commenting on it again ay little Nicky? So are you trying to claim that "mainly down to the locking down of schools" as a fact or just your crass theory? 😂😂😂
Also. You do remember most of the world locking down right? Or do you not know how a virus control system works?
I quite like my elderly relatives, you might not like yours but I'm glad we locked down to keep them safer until the vaccines became available.
Get over it. Christ alive.
@@jpjapers But the kids can’t.
Mr o Brien says he doesn't know why Braverman said what she said yesterday. Maybe he should have her on his show so she can explain. But we all know that her right of reply would never happen
Yes, strange that he never has his bias tested by Tory MP’s…..wonder why?
Yet again it comments on a video it doesn't watch lol! The crass brigade to get triggered so easily these days... 😂😂😂
Just another day of the crass brigade getting schooled right little Twisty? 😂
@@nick1065 Aw bless. Two little comrades in a pod! Liking each others comments and commenting on each too. 😂😂😂
That's odd you saying that little Nicky... Seeing as he had JRM on during the Brexit fiasco. And not to mention how the Tories wouldn't go on certain shows...
That memory of yours isn't exactly up to scratch much is it ay? 😂😂😂
@@TheDom277 Rinse and repeat. How boring. Why is what I said Crass as you put it. I think o Briens rhetoric on this subject is Crassness of the highest order
@@TheDom277 It was very interesting reading the comments on o Briens last video. Most didn't agree with him. Funny that is