RHYTHM vs Performance vs FACTORY FOX 34 and FOX 34 SC - Weight, Damper, Air Spring, Features
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- What's the difference between FOX 34 forks? Step Cast? RHYTHM vs Performance Elite vs Performance vs FACTORY, GRIP vs FIT4 vs GRIP2? Let's take a look #ridefox #34 #fork
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00:00 Intro, comparison criteria
00:40 FOX 34 overall build
02:28 The Air Spring
03:30 3 (or4) Dampers
05:17 Weight difference
07:34 FOX34 AWL e-Bike? Availability
08:16 My conclusions
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I love fox forks. Fox and Shimano components are my main reason to chose on bike over other
Proud of my Fox 32 Factory Stepcast and Shimano XTR groupset 💪🏻🔝
That's why I build bikes on my own or buy cheapest version and rebuild it.
I like Sram and Rockshox
Amen to that. Never owned a bike with SRAM and a bike is just better with a bit of Kashima. Sorry, it just is 😂
@@SteveKimbo Kashima is beautiful, but it brings nothing
@@SteveKimbo Well you should try SRAM sometime, it's leading in the MTB world, and is the only brand with electric precision shifting. 😅😅😂
One more difference between FIT4 and Grip2 is that only FIT4 has the remote lockout option. Nice comparison, really enyoj your videos!
Great point! Thanks for adding to my post🙏
I removed the remote and installed just the switch like the ones in this video LOL I have a Fit 4 too
Я на жёсткой ежу стальная стоит
Амортизаторы это плохо@@LoveMTB
хорошо😊@@user-sm1ur5bk2r
I have the 34 Rhythm and love it. Seems unlikely I'd ever change or upgrade unless something catastrophic would happen. Great review as always.
I rode rhythm and it was amazing especially compared to the coil fork I was riding, I found a cheap f29 that was in almost perfect condition so I ride that now. Going to get a new one eventually
I also have a 34 rhythm and I feel not that I’ve been riding for almost three years that it’s not enough for me being 250 lbs, 6’4 and riding a lot more chunky downhill stuff. Ended up getting a 160mm Fox 38.
Another awesome vid thank you!!!! I'd have to say fox is my favorite so far.Cheers!!!
Thanks Glenn and yeah more Fox than RS on our house also
I enjoyed your video.... Thank you!
Thank you!🙏
Nice informative video as always! I ride fox factory 34 grip2 and the Rockshox pike. I replaced the fox performance fork and I did notice the difference. I am with you I don’t think most riders need an expensive fork unless you are hard core rider. You cannot go wrong with the fox fit4 version. Fox is having a sale as well if you are looking for a new fork.
Good stuff!, happy trails my friend!🤘
I just bought the Fox 32 SC Factory instead my old rythm 32. Hope it fits to my bike.
Got a factory 36 last black Friday for an awesome deal and it's been a big upgrade. Have you done any videos on lower leg service for fox forks? About time to do it and your shimano brake bleed video was perfect and helped me through it haha.
Great fork! I do not as there are sooooo many of them out there. I keep being asked for it so I might do it 😇
Hey idk about the 34 but the performance elite 38 (not kashima) does come with the grip 2 damper
Very good again!! I have bought, SC Fit4 in a Scott Scale and a performance Grip2 in a spark. Man, is not easy to say which is better. I'm sure that i don't know how to explore all their capabilities.
Thanks for sharing your experience! We’re super happy with the 34s, all of them. But we also love the old Pike and Sid 35 120 so🤓
I have a 2023 36 rhythm and fox customer support told me that it has extra volume. Is it the same as the others evol?
I like the orange one, it looks better.
My bike a Marin Riftzone 3 27.5 2022 came with Marzocchi bomber z2 and rear fox float dps performance I really want to get a fox 36 performance elite in the 130mm travel option to match my fox rear suspension but I’m not sure if it’s worth it my main concern is I just want to maintain service accordingly yearly but am not sure if the z2 will last me several years I want a fork long term permanent solution I don’t want to worry about having to replace my fork anytime soon would a 36 performance elite outlast a z2 fork ? Or will they last about the same only difference is better performance on the 36 elite?
Thanks for the video. Do you happen to know if the FOX 38 also has the adjustable negative like the FOX 34 Stepcast?
Not that I know of but hope others with more knowledge can jump in🤘
Had my OEM 130mm 34 Rhythm GRIP fork replaced for me with a 130mm 34 Performance GRIP due to a shipping mishap when sending it out for service. The difference was surprisingly noticeable the first time I rode it! Better small bump sensitivity off the top and a more responsive action throughout the travel. ALSO the Rhythm only comes with 2 tokens whereas the the rest of the lineup comes with 3 tokens. (Not sure what the SC comes with.)
Interesting... can that be the difference between a new/ freshly service fork and one that was used for a ehile? SC can have a max of 3 tokens and believe others 5 or6 regardless of how many they come with.
@@LoveMTB @chrisbraun72 It might be the difference in air spring. The 34 Rhythm and Marzocchi Z2 us the same SKU air spring vs the Fox 34 Float. From personal experience there is a noticeable difference between the feel of the 36 Rhythm and 36 Float. The 36 Float has a slightly larger negative air chamber making it a bit more linear and smoother off the top.
I’ve been riding a Fox Vanilla RLC (32) since 2004 :) love this fork and it’s still in great shape. I’m not a great rider and the terrain here is mostly flat but it does everything i want it to unlike the Psylo I rode before :)
Somehow it just lasts and works well despite of its age :)
Niiice! Well maintained they can last for ever TBH
You are mistaken my friend, GRIP2 damper comes in Fox Performance Elite. I have it on my YT Izzo.
Apart from that, the GRIP damper does provide better damping properties than the GRIP2, however I'm looking for an old FIT4 to add a Vorsprung tune kit to it :)
We learn something everyday, thanks for sharing🙏
@@LoveMTB don’t stop making good content. You are awesome :)
Thanks for the video! Great information as always. It would be awesome if you could check on the not-so-new Fox 34 AWL as well. This fork is priced very competitively and there is virtually NO information on the Internet at all!
Thanks! AWL …I mentioned it in the video, never seen one. And…they’re talking about e-suv in their marketing, WTH is that?😉
Thanks for the informative video! QQ I understand Performance Elite (available OEM) is a Factory fork minus Kashima? TIA
Yup pretty much 😉
Looking forward for your other reviews for budget forks like MZ , Minatou and SR SANTOUR or comparison for this forks AXON WERX 34 vs FOX 34 vs SID ULT
If I. An get my hands on them for sure 👍
Thank you I really enjoyed watching this.
I own Biked with the grip damper (140mm) and I'm always surprised how good they are. I just service them from time to time.
Maybe before next spring in the MTB dowtimes in February and March I convert one to a grip2 :)
Would be interesting.
Cheers
Let us know if you do!
@@LoveMTB 👍
I have a collection of classic Marzocchi Bombers . Gone are the days of silver crowns .
Is there any possibility to make the remote lockout option for Rhythm???
That's strange - I weight my Rhythm in stock and it is 2300g
Nice video! Maybe do one with Rockshox as well?
Possibly! Would just have to get my habds on a few of their forks, I only have a Judy and a PIKE in the house. Great suggestion!
Very timely video for me. Which of these would you recommend for a hardtail, riding mostly XCish blue and black trails.
What’s your budget? What’s the travel on the fork? With all that being said can’t beat a fresh take off Rhythm for value.
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply. This would be replacing a 130mm Rockshox recon. Budget wise , I’d consider going as high as the performance elite on sale now for $699CAD. I also considered a bomber z2 on sale for under $500CAD right now.
@@h3yn0w I would definitely go for the Elite however the FIT4 damper could feel harsher than the GRIP of Performance and Rhythm especially if you’re a lighter rider.
Just serviced my 2022 34 Performance with Grip damper and EVOL air shaft. Had way too much grease on the airshaft from the factory and too little oil in the legs. Haven't take it out yet for a real ride since this service, but first impressions are that it's much better than new.
The Grip damper is really good, can't believe that is their "budget" damper. Tempted by the new Grip X and Grip X2 dampers, but want to get some rides in on the freshly serviced fork before spending $300+ on upgrading the damper.
Had the 34 Rhythm on the bike before the Performance, it was actually slightly better feeling (probably less grease on the airshaft from factory) but much, much heavier. Also a great fork if you don't care about weight so much.
Fox makes good stuff, that's for sure.
Can't believe they keep putting all that grease in the air spring, probably has to do with their cheap manufacturing process, just like the bushings being way too tight!
Thanks for your explanation. Trying to move from RS to Fox but Fox descriptions looks kinda confusing. Like factory and performance explained as top tier forks and the only difference between them are kashima and the price point
You’re welcome. That’s Performance Elite and Factory😊
I've had around 10 creaky Fox CSU's in about 8 years with only one 34 factory that DIDN'T creak by 100 hrs. My newest vintage is a 2023 34 SC CSU replacement that hasn't started creaking with 40 hrs on it so far, fingers crossed. I'm always hopeful they've gotten this issue under control with each passing year. Have they made any measurable improvements recently on this issue? What do the rest of you guys think? I'm a 175lb intermediate level West Coast DC rider.
Could’ve the terrain you’re riding? Only creaking csu we’ve had was a RockShox SID no issues with the others. BTW I would absolutely love to ride out west all the time 😊
I guess they must have changed the options recently because when I got my 2021 performance elite, I was given the option to choose either fit4 or grip2. Also purchased it from a bike shop as an aftermarket fork so it’s not oem.
My experience with fox? I run Fox, Rockshox and Suntour on 3 bikes and have to say Fox is easily my favorite.
Thanks for sharing and happy trails!🤘
Great info. Q: Why do
some 36 Rhythms have a smaller purple token when other 36 forks have a slightly larger orange token? Is it just because of the year made? Or is the orange token for all 36 forks except the rhythm?
I do not know but it can be different volume spacers. Even though the internal dimension might vary they use the same tokens as far as I know.
Nice comparison, I have a SID Ultimate 100mm travel 3 position , wanted to changes my for fork to a Fox 34 120mm travel ,3 position , what can you say or advice between this two fork ? I need an insight between this two in terns of performance and reliability . Thanks..
I would personally go for the fox
@@LoveMTB Thank you Sir...
@lovemtb Do you think its worth the upgrade from a 34 fox rythm 140mm to a fox factory 36 150mm? I like to do trail / semi enduro, i feel like my rythm can handle almost everything, but when comes to rought terrain alot of rocks, holes, roots i feel a little bit unconfrotable, do you think its worth it? cheers
Depends where the "uncomfortable" comes from 🙂
FOX36 even with the FIT4 damper is super plush and strong, lower stiction too in my experience. You will notice a difference but don't know if it is worth the $$$. Also the +10mm can make you more comfortable going down rough terrain. Maybe that's what you're after?
@@LoveMTB thanks for the kick response! Yeah, i have a stumpjumper comp alloy, and i love the bike, it is 140mm/130mm stock, but i have some upgrades in mind
My frame only allow 150mm in front, and 130mm in the middle.
My idea is, install a cascade link on middle to get extra 0.8mm and maybe an factory float x, and 150mm factory or elite on front, so be like 150mm / 138mm
But usually people tell me to sell the bike and buy a enduro one, because is a big investment, but its not being easy to sell the bike, plus i like the bike and i have done some modifications already, this is kind of a dilema right? haha
Thanks ;)
You're welcome!
And if i am right, the 23+ models offer a bleed valve which comes as standard on the factory and can be installed in the performance model?
You can install a bleed valve on some of these but...not really for the type of riding these forks are made for.
So you're saying that swapping a fox 34 rythm doesn't come with any weight penalty when swapping to a lyirik ultimate, that's mindblowing
Having owned a Marzocchi Z2 I would not want to run a 34 on an eeb. I would go a 36E minimum. With regards to the Z2, Fox sorted me right out on warranty work out of warranty period, that's why I made sure my next bike came with Fox suspension as I know I'll be looked after. Now I'm rocking a Fox 38 Elite and DHX Elite, and loving it.
All good happy trails 🤘
Does the grip 2 damper have any sort of lock out?
Is the fit 4 open, firm and locked positions?
Thanks
Fit 4 is locked, not Grip2
I’m happy with my 34 Performance Grip. Grip2 would be too fancy for me and I would never find ”the best” settings.
And then there is GripX the new version of Grip that’s supposed to be better/ faster to react and as easy to setup
how much changes and improvement have been made in the performance of mountain bike in the past 10 years? what would possibly be the next area of big improvement and disruption in the bike engineering industry? I'm new to MTB and I'm curious
Probably reached a plateau in the last 5 or so…
I've used fox factory 32, rythm 32, performance 32 and rs1 from rock shox, and I can firmly say that for XC all the fox are pretty much identical, all work absolutely good, no flaws whatsoever. The RS1 is a little different, much more sentitive, for small rocks and gravel is way better than fox, but when the terrain is more technical, with features, rock gardens and things like that a FOX is so much superior. The RS1 runs out of travel quickly, Fox forks are more progressive, I've tried tuning with volume spacers, but that didn't work
Thanks for sharing, our experience is similar for XC indeed
Swapped out the Fit4 for Grip2 in my factory forks. Honestly I can't tell the different unless you really need to fine tune your HSC. You also get an added Low Speed Rebound knob. The Fit4 damper must be larger volume as I only required 70psi to get it dialed in, where the Grip2 required 80psi.
Thanks for sharing your experience. So given what you said would you do it again or save the money for something else?
@@LoveMTBMe personally, not worth the money. I'm just a casual, average rider who likes fancy bikes. If you were racing, yes, I can see the advantage of more suspension adjustment.
@@SteveSUX2BU appreciate it! And…aren’t we all casual, average riders??🤓
How about SC model and its front-back stiffness during braking?
I don't feel the SC no better or worse for the intended riding...
Ridden 2 Factory Grip 2 34 and 3 Fox 34 Performance Elite with Grip 2. Hands down preferred the Performance Elite; like the Kashima doesn't offer the same compression. It seems like less compression on the Factory.
I found if I am riding a long wheelbase with a long reach, I really needed the compression.
2022 to 2023 Fox 34's to be specific.
Can it be the valving that was different between the 2? FOX changes it all the time, from year to year.
can it be the # of spacers, or rebuild vs not rebuild. fwiw - some rebuild a new fork immediately to avoid possibility of some manufacturing shortcuts like too much grease,..
My yeti i was buying had the 34 elite on it and i was like fair enough and it had Sram Guide breaks and aluminium bar, and when i got to my local bike shop it was the same bike but not dame parts, they had Code Rsc soop much better than Guide they had factory 34 like broo its better than elite and had carbon bars and listed for same price as on the internet from yeti cycles so i got better coponents on my yeti
FOX 34 Factory and FOX 34 Performance Elite should weigh the same, but in your case the weight difference comes from the fact that your Factory is a step cast model. Step cast is also available for the Performance and Performance Elite models.
I mentioned that I the video started with SC then Elite and factory then last one is Factory + GRIP2 in that section
I have the fox Rhythm,is very good for the price vs quality
Definitely, pop a spacer in the air spring to get that bit more plushness off the top and you're golden!
I’m considering the 34 step cast for my supercaliber which has the Reba 110 fork👎
It will be lighter and a more refined fork with more adjustability. Let us know if you get it and how you like it!
5:04 will the Grip2 damper fit on a rhythm 34? Has anybody done that? Im happy to try it as Im already looking for some kind of improvement at the fork area.
Yes it will work just fine
@@LoveMTB I don’t know if you have more access to information that us mere mortals. However I dug around a bit more in forums and I find more information saying that it doesn’t fit than the opposite. I trust that you are not intending to mislead anyone. Do you have any facts/sources supporting that it fits? From what I found online for the rhythm you need to look at an aftermarket “ramp” or “runt” cartridge which is not really an inexpensive option.
Good catch, I definitely don't try to mislead anyone but to help. It's easy, go to the FOX site, plug in your serial number and you'll see the parts that are available for each fork. Rhythm has a different bore you you are probably correct. However what I also know from comments here on my videos is that Rhythm to Grip 2 is not that big of a difference. Burnishing your bushings to a correct 34.1 would probably make more of a difference than the damper upgrade@@ariskardas
Just got a complete MY24 suspension a few days ago: Fox 34 Factory, Kashima GRIP2 140mm w/Kabolt weighed 1885 gms. Shock: Fox Factory Float Kashima 190x45 320gms. These are going on my Tallboy 4 build and I’m super excited to see how they perform. I did a factory demo of a Tallboy 4 last year which had the same suspension, but MY23, and it blew my mind.
Still rocking the v4 myself🤓 in which way is better?? And thanks for the actual weight of that Grip2 so many wrong articles online is not even funny
Coming from a 150/150 Hightower LT 'enduro" bike with a Fox 36 and DPX2, I was really surprised at how solid and supple the Fox 34 and Float felt on the Tallboy with much less travel. There was zero harshness in the fork, unlike my 36 Performance Elite w/FIT4. The shock never bottomed out. The bike felt like it had way more travel than it's 130/120 spec! That could be partly due to the TBV4 geometry and lower link shock mount location and design. @@LoveMTB
Just got a new Trek Top Fuel 9.7 which came with Fox 34 Rhythm, firstly I wanted to change it to SID 35, mainly because of weight, however after watching this content I'm not entirely sure I want to do it anymore :) What would be your suggestions guys ? leave it as it is or change it ? :)
Is that a 34 or 34 SC? 120 or 130? I would leave ot the way it is or look for a 34 SC Performance Elite 😉
@@LoveMTB It is basic Rhythm 34, 120mm. On my previous bike (hardtail) I was using SID 35, 120mm and was pretty happy with it but have no experience with Fox at all...
@@DamianNocun I would go for a Fox 34 SC for 120nm, you’ll love it and save a ton of weight!
Enjoyed that review. I managed to get a rhythm on used market taken off someone's bike they had bought and brand new. Have it on my hard tail in 140mm guise and really like it for what I paid. Can't afford the more expensive versions.
Yeah we have 2 x RHYTHM on the hardtails, great great forks for what they are.
Crazy to me that rhythm weigh the same as a mezzer pro that has 37mm stanchions, much better damper, much better air spring, HBO feature, goes from 140mm to 180mm and a price tag in Europe that isn't that far off each other. It's mind blowing really.
Different tech, different approach to market. RHYTHM is the entry levl so it has to be a "lesser" fork than the others
@@LoveMTB Yep true. I used to have a rhythm 34 SC. It's was fine for what it was. I dont think the grip damper is bad, not even sure I'd pick grip 2 over it and I surely wouldn't pick fit4 over it.
@@TeamCykelhold it’s more linear and FIT4 can feel harsher in comparison but better for XC
Mezzer Pro is a $1k fork. Rhythm take-offs are less than $300.
@@gophop Dunno how it is in US but in EU fox forks are very expensive.
My only “complaint” with Fox is the Grip2 is severely over damped. I know there is a new shim stack coming for 2024, but who knows how well that will affect anything
Interesting find. Not that familiar with Grip2 as I only rode a 36 with it and it felt fine. But one thing that I know is that FOX, based on their tsting or feedback, constantly change the shim stacks in these forks, so a Rhythm from 2019 and one from 2023 won't be the same.
Curious if that wil be a big announcement or just a release with their 2024 products that are still to come!
The damper doesn't matter, I'll just send it to Push to have it tuned to my driving style and weight. Almost all dampers are good once you have them tuned, at least for my skill level.
True that nothing better than a custom tune for
You and your style and terrain
Still it doesn't answer the question what are the differences between grip and grip2 damper other than 2 additional adjustments and vvc.
You got it! More sophisticated more adjustable Fox 34 damper
@@LoveMTB more sophisticated means it has different construction?
It’s similar not entirely different, but VVC high speed rebound is unique to Grip2
After watching I looked at my Rhythm 34 and is has a curved brace like the others do. It’s 120 and not a 130, not sure if that’s the reason.
You mean round? What year is it??
@@LoveMTB Round, just like the Performance Elite, but with the Grip damper of course not the Fit4. The fork came on my 2023 Transition Spur NX build
Thanks for sharing, that's a new change on the RHYTHM@@seawalkarrg
There is actually a step cast Version of the 34 rhythm as Well
No way! Have never seen that, thanks for sharing.
The subtle difference you pay for on astronomical price increase. Definitely not worth the difference unless you race imho
..go with the kashima and orange...it's better right...thats what they want you to think. definately lighter, but do the math on price per gram. I've got perfromance 36 on my ebike, Pike ultimate on my hardtail and a Helm on my full squish...I think the Helm feels most plush all around but as far as stiff and plush you can't beat the Fox 36, I'm ok with performance or performance elite...don't need SC or Kashima...it's not that big of a deal.
The only difference on the 36 between the factory and the performance elite is the Kashima coat vs the black.
Same for the other forks👍
that's what big fork tells you but,... it is orange lowers kashima on the podium all day :D
We have identical bikes with my GF - Canyon Neuron, both with Fox 34, except I have the Performance Elite with FiT4 and she has the most basic Rhytm with Grip damper. Honestly if I was choosing just by feeling, I would go for the cheap option. It doesn't feel any worse than the Performance model and in addition it feels more supple and sensitive on the top of the travel.
Thanks for sharing your feedback! RHythm feels more linear usually and FIT4 has a firmer feel. Depending on the riding style, weight of the rider and setup Rhythm can fell "better" indeed.
To be honest I hate their naming(apart from the base model name -32,36 etc, which makes sense); it confuses me😢
Try Rockshox and let's talk after 🤓
І've got Fox 34 SC Performance Elite. It works amazingly.
I have to disagree with your statement about a Rhythm being a good fork. They may be good for a beginner that isn’t riding much chunks or very small drops. Anyone that beats on their suspension will kill the Rhythm pretty fast.
Im too poor for fox so Im going marzochi
Poor man's FOX!😉
coil marzochi last forever
@@user-xn1bo9rx5m never tried one unfortunately
I disagree about the ugly decals on the performance, to me it looks the most "business" of the 4. I think the factory fork is hideous personally, saved only by the Kashima coat.
Always personal preference….
Give away please
Overpriced.
Is the Thru Axle from fox 34 sc compatible to the 32 sc? if both b0ost?
Yes, same.
Thing is,these days the 38 is the new norm,wouldn’t surprise me if 40 and 42,s come in the next couple of years,43,s are getting old and only for the purists
Really depends on the riding that you do though...
"thing is, these days the 38 is the new norm"
?!?!...ok....Probably Nino Schurter's secret weapon to win 😂
Nope, that's the new SID with Flight Attendant installed 😉@@IIISentorIII
The single crown is the weak point. 38mm stanchions we’re an attempt to increase stiffness without altering the crown (which would be impossible with current head tube standards)
I don't want more than a 35 or 36 from what I tried, ok forks like the Zeb are more smoother than they were but not as a 36