Chappell Roan Hits Back.
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Chappell Roan has hit back at what she believes is unacceptable interest in her and her private life. Obviously, it was a different time when The Darkness were in the spotlight, but her words did make me think about what has changed and what hasn't.
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The fact that someone I knew as “the singer from The Darkness” has become such a sign of intelligence and empathy is such a treat. Love your content! You’re doing great work!
I think people are missing that stans are going to her sister's place of work and harassing her sister, they're creeping on her family, finding their homes. That is not okay. That is full on stalking behavior. Stan behavior and culture is not appropriate in any way shape or form. Chappell has every right to protect herself. Look at what happened to Christina Grimmie.
Exactly. Stalkers are real and almost always disturbed.
And Justin's mention of his long arms brings to mind, this is a 5'2" young woman we're talking about. Do NOT crowd her, do NOT make demands or even sound like you're making demands.
@@rachelalexander3502 My only criticism is she probably made a tactical error in her delivery. It doesn’t really matter if she’s right or wrong. getting people on her side is the ultimate goal.
a dude was jailed for stalking a 16 year old billie eilish. he wrote her letters about why it's god's plan for her to die and campped across the street from her childhood home. a stalker killed himself in miranda cosgroves house and she was only like 20. it's insane what people will do to others.
@@mikeydflyingtoasterExcellent point!
Specifically, she seems to be addressing one admin from a fan account who has pretended to be a member of her "team" and made claims that Chappell was her TA, doxxed her family, and bullied/stalked other fans
I can never understand why anyone thinks that people in the public domain are anything but sentient beings who suffer everyday issues. Good days, bad days and leave me alone days.
We might relate to the music and maybe idolise the image portrayed but that’s just sheen. Be polite, and be respectful as it shapes everyone’s day.
I lived in Hollywood, CA and it was well known to treat famous people like normal people and respect their privacy. I did have Sade pull up in big red SUV while I was walking to work and ask for directions to a recording studio. She was so kind. ❤
You're definitely a smooth operator
That is how we treated famous people. We had a lot of actors in our area, and it would have been rude to bug them.
I used to work in theatre and film in Toronto, and it was the same thing. I have apologised to Margaret Atwood when we bumped into each other on a crowded street because we were both distracted and walking fast without letting on I knew who she was. Ditto for the time that David Cronenberg asked me where I got a particular snarky tee with a Videodrome reference on it. We had nice, short chat about the shops in that part of town, and went on our ways. (I jumped up and down like a nerd when I got home.)
Yes, I live in LA too and I don’t think people online realize that it’s possible to see a celebrity they like and let them go about enjoying their day; in fact, this is what most well adjusted people do. This isn’t a meet and greet! If it’s a situation where they’re engaging with you and you tell them you love their work, etc. that’s one thing, but then so many people can also take it to this dark/heavy place, trauma dumping about the things this celebrity’s work got them through, etc., which is great that they were helped, but it’s just not fair to place all that upon someone who was just going about doing their daily tasks
Even MORE so in NYC. Its a big no no to approach celebrities as its like a safe haven for creatives and everyone is hustling anyway. You just pass them on the street as normal.
Earlier this year whilst on holiday I saw Tré Cool of Green Day wondering around a town with his wife and son. Tré Cool was my drumming hero when I grew up and he inspired me to play drums, so I was desperate to go and tell him that. However, given he was clearly on holiday with his family, I decided to leave him be. Although I wrestled with whether I should have spoken to him for days later and was really disappointed I didn’t. Ultimately I decided it was probably the right thing to do though.
The part of Chappel Roan’s message I don’t like is that it seems to suggest she doesn’t want anyone ever to approach her and say hello, which I think is a bit sad, given her music probably has inspired millions of people. But she has clearly had too many experiences where people have crossed the line and left her a bit rattled, so I can understand it
Yeah and I also think that everyone (even the problem actors) think they are the exception to the rule; by setting such strict boundaries she is telling those folks, yes, you too should not approach me. I am sure that on some level she will adjust to fame and become more open to polite and casual fan encounters, but I get her putting everyone in the same category for now.
There’s a time & a place for things. That people think it’s more important to tell someone else that their music had done xyz for them rather than respecting someone’s boundaries & privacy is wild. Wanting to disrupt someone’s vacation with their child bc you feel the need to tell them personal things that they really aren’t going to care about is so selfish.
you could have just walked past him and said 'hi' and said nothing else and left it at that at least you would have had some sort of interaction
I understand why you felt conflicted and ultimately didn't... Still, I'm sure it would've been fine, to say: Hey tre! You inspired me to drum/you're my fave drummer! Or whatever. You wouldn't even have to stop or stop him just say in passing and smile :) Hard to get annoyed at hearing that if it's short and sweet.
Beyond saying, 'Oh hello, I really like your art, have a lovely day!' I don't think I'd ever want to interact with a celebrity any further than that. It's still a stranger - I find it weird people want hugs. In fact, I would refuse to hug them, even if they asked me!
I for one don't have a problem with hugs, high fives etc but not everyone is the same either so asking first would be a good start ^^
Say thanks, no hugging. If they’re jerks about you saying thanks, tell them to piss off.
I’m on the same page, and maybe would push it further… I would ignore most celebrities, as they are no more important to me than the next stranger. I love Justin’s attitude, and enjoy his content greatly, but if I saw him in person, any excitement would be contained in my head 😅.
@@Sdt526 I suppose there's a very small chance I might run into Justin in Lidl, but in reality it's probably a hypothetical question anyway 😂
It's like receiving work e-mails and calls outside of working hours. It's possible, it's normalized, but it doesn't make it okay. She is right to push back.
@@Krissy_K888 Yeah, finding emails in your inbox that you’ve missed over the weekend is about the same as being stalked
@@mikeydflyingtoaster Obviously. I completely dismantle my firm's email servers before I go home every Friday, just to be sure. Only way I know to guarantee I won't have to suffer through the devastation, shock, and utter horror of receiving an email I'd have ignored until Monday regardless.
@@hedlund Lol! Yeah, imagine the victim blamers saying stuff like "Well, did you turn on your out-of-office message? hmmm??"
Excellent point, @Krissy_K888 The negative replies prove your point about the normalisation of employment imposing upon non-work time. In my 51 years of experience, a boss who sends out-of-hours emails addresses doesn't put up with being "ignored until Monday". If said bosses are fine with not addressing it till Monday, then why send the email when it will impose upon the employee's unpaid time, surely they haven't reached a management position without knowing how to schedule an email to send during paid hours? And why are they working out-of-hours, themselves? Are they just so disorganised, or is there more work to do than they can get done in their paid hours and, instead of standing up for themselves, they're just passing on the disrespect to their subordinates? Or perhaps they are at the top of the chain - the owner of the business - and are either taking too much "profit", or refusing to admit that the business is simply not making enough money to hire the staff needed to produce the good or service they offer and is fundamentally unviable. Whatever the reason, it's not the employee's problem when they're not being paid.
She's absolutely right. You are allowed to say no to creepy behavior. She has learned the lesson of healthy boundaries at a young age. Good for her. Just discovered her this summer after watching a couple of clips from her festival performances and appearances on late night shows. She is talented. I'm not much into pop but can recognize talent when I see it. Like you, I am the fan of The Cult. Nice to see the pics with Ian and Billy.
Comes with the territory, but I would absolutely fight back. I wouldn't get heavy about it. After all, she is lucky. She chose this shit.
it's ok to draw a line but I don't think she expressed it in the best way, it came across a little bit arrogant.
@@neonwired4978yeah? Jimmy Page kidnapped a child bride. I think we can forgive her for a harsh tone.
Glad you see Mr Tumble as the legend he is....While we nursed horrific hangovers from listening to people like you Hawkins...Tumble was there at the crack of dawn keeping our kids distracted while we lay on the sofa wondering when the pain would end. Mr Tumble kept us alive.....May the wheels on your bus always go round Mr Tumble.
I couldn’t agree more! He really is ‘something special’!
Mr Tumble was the first thing my daughter watched and responded too and allowed me to doze off for a few vital minutes in the mornings after being up most of the night, every night dealing with her multiple wake ups. Bless him for his many soakings for our children's entertainment and may his red nose never dull.
Yeah the a cappella intro/outro just makes me happy. Honestly, it’s my favourite version.
Also, you talk a lot of sense. ❤
It reads like Chappell Roan is trying to explain things to the fans. I don't think that's going to work. She can't educate (or plead with, or otherwise negotiate with) the people because, almost by definition, the people who don't respect boundaries won't understand she's talking to them. They can't understand that. They think "oh she doesn't mean ME!"
The only behavior she has control over, is her own.
Good point. The dilemma of fame.
Yup. True of all of us. We can only control our own behaviors. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth stating our boundaries.
She's in control of her behaviour. She's saying no to randomers wanting hugs, photos, etc. and this is her saying she don't give a crap that people don't like her behaviour. It doesn't matter if 'the people' don't understand.
I believe you are right
Huge fan of Chappell Roan but is it odd that I'm now also a huge fan of Justin Hawkins? (AGAIN??) Great response, sir, full of empathy and respect. If you ever feel like touring the Southeastern United States, I'll now be buying a ticket and reliving my Darkness days....
I would love to see your reaction to Chappell's tiny desk concert
Yes, you're in the public domain, not a "rando" anymore. However, fans aren't entitled to take advantage of that, just because they bought a ticket, or album, or patreon, or whatever. Context is important. If she's walking down Santa Monica Blvd screaming and waving her fists in the air, then yeah, I'd yell out the car window too. If she's walking down the street in conversation with someone, as if they're going to a dinner reservation... maybe smile and give a half-wave, and go about your business, as if you were in the West Village before it became a tourist trap. If you see them at an album signing or other in-store event... then yeah, mob them, ask for an autograph etc. Context is key.
Absolutely I’d love to see the actual context and specifics of the events before I could have an opinion.
You’re so articulate and kind with your observations. 👌
Another very thoughtful and respectful commentary by Justin. Thank you.
In today's cultural landscape, there's a growing sense of entitlement among fans that is deeply troubling. It's disconcerting to witness how some individuals have become so disconnected from reality that they believe they are owed something by the celebrities they admire. While it's perfectly natural to love and appreciate the work of a musician, for instance, crossing the line into obsessive behavior that blatantly disregards personal boundaries is nothing short of abhorrent. This shift from admiration to entitlement reflects a broader societal issue, where the distinction between appreciation and invasion of privacy is increasingly blurred. Like all individuals, celebrities deserve respect and the right to their own lives, free from unwarranted intrusion.
Could you also say that there is a growing sense of entitlement with celebrities/influencers who want the fans, the adoration, the audience and the money but without any negatives?
I agree that people should be respectful, but Chappell Roan new exactly what she was getting into and probably spent years dreaming about achieving her goals and it seems a bit much to complain when the inevitable happens.
I’ve never heard of her, but, if she’s putting that much into social media, she can’t expect privacy.
@@drfell9105 that's like blaming John Lennon for getting killed by a fan. He knew what he was getting into.
Or even: Christina Grimmie, Selena, George Harrison (attacked in his own house by a Beatles fan), Dimebag Darrell.
Your comment was ignorant and fucking stupid. Being an artist doesn't mean you have to accept that weirdos come along as part of the baggage. Boundaries need setting in place, and it needs to become a norm and not frowned upon.
@@drfell9105 Eh, no. I don’t agree with this take. People have been stalking her family and putting them into dangerous situations. Hence why she's fed up.
If you’re putting yourself into the public domain there’s always going to be people who stomp all over any boundaries you try to set. It’s a real danger. Trying to keep up with current trends in social media promotion can put people in untenable positions if they need some degree of personal space.
In the mid 2000s I had a Perfect Celebrity Interaction™. I was walking along the Seattle piers and I saw Danny Bonaduce walking toward me. As we passed each other I made eye contact with him and gave him a quick up-nod of my head. He replied in kind. And then we walked on. Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted from Danny Bonaduce, and no one had to stop or waste any time. And I get to tell the story for the rest of my life.
Love that!
With the nature of social media these days it does feel like the public have become what the paparazzi once was. Its great to see people in the public eye starting to set boundaries, its definitely needed.
Treating anybody badly, weirdly and creepily is wrong. Although a lot worse is happening to a lot of people other than celebrities, who parade themselves out in the public arena for praise and adoration, inviting a response. It doesn't cost anything to be nice and polite to folks even if they're mean and unlikeable; in fact, it's really good for your soul to be nice and polite. My advice for this Chappell Roan is that it's probably best that she remain indoors and offline. Famous people can easily go out and about and not get recognised, they can easily blend in. If they want to.
I used to make a certain type of video for CZcams, and those videos became suddenly and strangely popular. People started just showing up at work, taking photos, posting the address on Reddit calling the office so they could talk to me... it was weird. And that was just for making some corny CZcams videos. It's hard for me to imagine being actually famous or talented or publicly admired and what that might entail.
Artists are essentially selling a service. I don’t expect to be brought a coffee by the barista in my local coffee shop if I see them in the local supermarket, I don’t expect the hotel staff from the Premier Inn down the road to make my bed at home because I once stayed a night, so I shouldn’t expect an artist to give me anything when they aren’t ‘at work’.
You're very empathetic, I like that about you.
This is just basic decency. It's in short supply on social media, but it's really not special... or shouldn't be. no shade on Justin, he's great. Just saying more creators should be like this.
When I was 18 I had the chance to work on two Sebastian Bach's (former skid row singer) concerts. He was my f-ing idol in terms of singing. I had started to take classical singing classes because I wanted to sing 18 and life and I remember you. So you can imagine how starstruck I was with the opportunity to meet him.
So there I was doing my thing and the stage manager of the venue said Sebastian was coming for the sound check and I got really REALLY excited (I was 18!) and then the stage manager saw it and said "hey kid, let me tell you a secret about Sebastian... He poops!" And I was like "wtf? Why are you telling me this? I do it, everybody does, that's not a secret!" And he said "EXACTLY. Why are you nervous for meeting someone who poops everyday just like you do? Don't be a fanboy, approach him nicely and you'll have no problems."
It seems weird, and it kinda is. But it helped.
Turned out Sebastian is a GREAT guy, we had some very cool conversations during the days of those two concerts and we even ran into each other again years later and he remembered me and some stories from those concerts - probably because I treated him like a real human being who poops.
So I guess that's the lesson this random lady was trying to deliver (though I think she pooped on her message at some points)
Celebrity is weird - seen it from both sides and for the recipient it’s a strange, creepy feeling. Most people are polite/respectful . There are some in the spotlight who abuse and encourage their position then complain at the response. Most are gentle, tolerant souls who put up with the experience - we saw that in the Beatles - George had no time for it, Paul was mostly polite and understanding. I guess attitudes also change with the times.
John Lennon is the prime example of the pitfalls with fame. A sick deranged fan took him from us. I don’t blame her for setting boundaries and as fans we should respect that.
Never meet your heroes, keep them in that shiny box of imagination. If you take them out of it you may find they do not appreciate your love, just your money.
So trueeee!
her entire "Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess" album is phenomenal. The hits are catchy and brilliantly executed pop but every track is a beautiful listen. Incredibly well produced. And I'm a rock and roll child of the 60s and 70s
Thanks Justin - I've never been a huge fan of your music although I do think it's good music, just not my thing. I am however, a fan of the thoughtful and intelligent commentary of your industry. Thanks for supporting this artist (who I have no knowledge of either) - she has every right to set boundaries - being in the public eye means that you should be polite and available to your fan base, but your fan base does not have the right to personally objectify you. People can do whatever they want in the public sphere, but you are not allowed to invade the personal space of another person - it's a basic tenant of being a human.
The end of this video is pure comedy gold! Love the photo
In the era of social media, people have started to become more disconnected from each other. We're long past the point where we once believed that social media could make us more connected, in fact it's having quite the opposite effect. People are treating each other like images on a screen and lines of text that they can react to, comment on, fabricate and lie about and nobody gets hurt because images on a screen and lines of text don't have feelings, lives, families. And you never in real life have to stand across from a complete stranger that you've just bullied, slandered, cursed at or called names from behind a shield of anonymity within the comfort of your own algorithmically-created thought bubble.
Thank you for this discussion Justin, it's so important for everyone, famous or not !!
Chapelle is just saying No means No!!
You should definitely respond to her music. Casual and Red Wine Supernova are some of my favorites, but the whole album Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is worth a listen
People who get angry at others for setting their boundaries have issues and are usually the type of person that need them the most I've found.
And you should give Chappell Roan a listen! I'm forty-something and don't really keep abreast of modern pop music but her music is catchy af...Her Tiny Desk Concert is simply fab.
I’m still confused. Is she mad that people ask for photos or is she mad that people are mad that she says no to photos/hugs? Of course the stalking is crazy and illegal.
About 15 years ago I was dating and engaged to a pretty well known "celebrity" and the amount of times that people would come up to us when we were out was so scary and uncomfortable and they would expect so much out of him because of the way he acted on tv and in movies. No matter where we went what time of day someone would always come up to him It didn't matter if we were eating, on dates, out with family nobody ever respected boundaries. I totally can understand where she is coming from it very uncomfortable and scary.
It would be horrible. Good on her speaking out - very brave.
Sounds like she needs better infrastructure and management around her to navigate and protect her privacy. Excellent talking points by the ageless JH.
2:22 I love you even more now, Mr. Hawkins! 🤘The Cult!
PS: And on topic I should add that I obviously mean „love“ in the way you can „love“ a public persona from what they choose to put out in the open.
"I can't pretend a stranger is a long-awaited friend" -Neil Peart
Glad to see you back, I really appreciate your voice (perspective)
Chappell’s lyrics are so honest and upfront that I can understand how some fans might feel they know her through her music and videos. She also has the appeal of the girl next door from a small US town aside from her huge talent, which makes her relatable to so many. I am delighted that she feels that she can call out this creepy behaviour on the part of some people and not be fearful of damaging her career, which might have happened only a few years ago. She’s also of her generation, and as such will not tolerate abusive and inappropriate behaviour and comments.
The whole social media thing is to reach out to viewers to build that relationship that gets them to view the videos and the interviews and maybe come to concerts. The downside is that after someone sees you for a hundred hours, they think they know you. Same thing s for TV series after you binge watch it. Some people are good at Compartmentalization, some are not.
There's eejits everywhere. Good Fans are civilised I bought a guy a coffee talked about music for an hour. In Dublin after a concert in the Ambassador seen slayer had no phone no pen but got to shake hands with Kerry really good moment. Another guy said don't be creepy or cringe if I look like am having bad day avoid me at all costs. I do understand. I get days like that too lol. If Someone's with their family I won't bother them. Always be polite you never know who you might bump into. Hope everyone has a great weekend
Kerry King was a member of a gym I managed in the nineties. Everyone left him alone, but that’s the SoCal way.
Famous people are normal people too. I see it like this their job is there 9 to 5. Meaning if I see a singer at their concert or a festival that they’re performing at. I say it’s ok to ask them for a picture or if you see an athlete at the stadium you know whatever the case may be. But if I see them at an amusement park with their family or grocery shopping or at the DMV I’m not gonna bother them. I am especially not going to harass their family.
A successful pop musician doesn’t owe you a photo or a hug. And they’re allowed to have a bad day.
I agreed with her completely.
I get what she’s saying, but if she wants to continue to be as successful as is, she should own up to the responsibility that people are going to approach her at the supermarket and be like “omg you’re Chappell Roan I love you I’m a huge fan!!” That’s one of the responsibilities of being famous; people you don’t know know who you are and are going to want to meet you. If she isn’t okay with that, well then don’t be famous. There are definitely boundaries; stuff like unjustified touching and hugging should be looked at as disrespectful and unnecessary, and celebrities should have the right to say no if they’re uncomfortable, but I also think people should have the right to meet their heroes as long as they’re cool about it.
I remember I saw Fat Mike from NOFX at a security line at LAX. After I got out of the security line, I approached him, told him I was a big fan, he says “thank you”, I shook his hand, and I walked away. Behavior like that shouldn’t be taken as disrespectful.
Agreed 100%
Nice one Justin, someone else this week bigged her up for standing her ground, I didn't know who she was so had to google it. But yes she's totally correct, following people home or to their sisters place of work is pretty obsessive - and if done more than once would be stalking and probably illegal. I guess these are young people trying to get selfies to raise their own social media profile - doesn't really seem fair does it.
I never ask for a photo. I have always felt it wasn't my right to interfere with a celebrity's time, unless an interaction develops naturally, like when Martin Sheen teased me about reading a magazine before checking out. Or recently Van Neistat repaired something for me. But I have noticed Matty Healy does take photos quite easily. We need to read the room and be respectful.
Amen! Say this louder!
It’s so important for celebrities to keep talking about boundaries like this. It will make a difference and teach the world to be more like NYC, LA, and other places where fans are polite and respectful!! This is NOT a direct comparison, but I kept thinking of when I was pregnant, I was so afraid of people asking to touch my belly or asking rude questions, just because it’s their thoughtless reaction to a pregnant woman. I worried about it so much, but by the time I was “showing”, it was April of 2020, so I never left the house and never had to deal with unwanted contact like that. Thanks for reading this! Love you Justin and Chappell and all the JHRA fans! ❤
Love your hair!
I get what she is saying but hey, you could be no one and have nobody caring who the hell you are. Your choice hey, if someone asks for a hug just say no but there are worse things in the world. I have no idea who she is but I wish her the best.
I saw Ken Jeong in Westminster Cathedral with his family a few years ago. I gave him the slightest nod, he gave the slightest nod back. He was with his family, he didn't need attention called to him and ruin his trip there.
2024, and Justin Hawkins is the fucken Voice Of Reason we never knew we needed.
First of all, thank you for this one Justin. I would highly recommend you check out her NPR Tiny Desk Concert if you want to get a bit of her art. I saw it after hearing a bit of one of her songs in the car and fell hard. Wonderful performer with a rock solid band behind her.
As for the rest, I'm not famous. I've had some local notoriety when I was younger, and I can only imagine "that" being amplified by 50 million active listeners.
I also grew up in the south of the US, it was made clear to me early that I should treat everyone with respect, and offer hospitality when able. So, the handful of times I have encountered some celebrity in the wild, it's gone basically like this:
"Uh, hello sir or ma'am. I don't want to take up too much of your time, just wanted to say I really appreciated your work on such and such album or film. And if you'd let me, I'd be delighted to buy you a round."
I don't expect anything, just want to let them know they're appreciated. And hopefully, it'll be a good memory for someone I admire.
Well said Justin!
I usually seem to run into celebs at airports or on flights, gave Minnie Driver a light for her cigarette at Heathrow once and had a little chat, met Patti Smith at an airport, she was cool, there's a few more that were all pleasant, I don't ask for selfies anyway but the only weird encounter I had was Katherine Ryan, the comedian, I saw her on an internal flight in Canada and I just probably did a double take as I was boarding and she glared at me and shook her head, I mean I hadn't said a word, fine, she made herself clear but I wasn't going to even speak to her. Sinead o Connor was nice though.
Justin, yourself and the band were sensational at Bestival Shropshire. Cheers for a great gig!
I really like Justin so much.
He is so honest.
Word. As a fan, it's hard not to at least acknowledge someone you admire that's passing you on the street. However, it doesn't justify invading someone's personal space or life. Why would you want to chase away or dishearten someone who's art you love? I'd be absolutely pissed if fan behavior stops artists I enjoy from making music. Like what Hawkins said, there's a lot of things that make life hard for an entertainer. But fan behavior is something we all have control over.
The most I’ve done with someone outside of an official appearance was when I gave a head nod and a “hey Joey” to Joey Ramone. And even then I did it really low-key to keep from drawing attention to him. He returned both and we went about our business.
He was quite hard to miss
Justin you said it so well, AND you very much embody the advice you’ve given. Thank you over again for being such a gracious human being. I love this channel and I feel so lucky to have met you once😌😌😌
❤
NYC Brown girl
I've got that exact furry blanket! Nice!
yet so many celebrities think they are entitled to something.
My other half is quite famous. His band were on before yours, or after, cant remember the order in Scotland a few years back.
He gets called miserable if he doesn't want to interact with fans.
I get pestered at times for being associated with them. That is even weirder!!
Weird was when someone asked for my autograph, when I was merely on a date with a radio DJ.
@@SuziQ. I find it a little creepy! Im fully aware people often use me to try and meet the band. I don't mention to anyone now if I'm at one of their gigs, but sometimes, someone I know will tell others and all of a sudden, I've got people wanting to stand and dance with me. On the up side, I do think it help get my business going as quite a few fans of the band bought my work when I started out.
I can only speak from a fan's point of view and I think there are limits to behaviors expected from both sides. First of all, attention does come with the territory but that doesn't mean it can't be moderated but she is going to have to decide when and how and during which situations. Secondly it seems that she’s piling all levels of attention together. There’s a difference between a respectful fan politely asking for an autograph or picture and a stalker. If she feels that threatened, she’s going to need handlers or some type of additional personnel to keep fans away from her but then some may regard you as an unapproachable a**hole. I imagine it can seem like a no-win scenario.
I go to several shows and try to meet the musicians whenever I can. My rules are to always be respectful, not personal and if they don’t feel like stopping and talking or whatever, that’s fine. I can understand that after incidents like John Lennon and Dimebag that people may be hesitant to meet their fans and I’m not “owed” anything. The concert is what I’m there for, anything else is just a bonus.
Steve Wilson has mentioned his distrust of perception and social media several times. One bad night, you don’t feel well, a misunderstood comment or joke and all of a sudden it’s all over that you’re a jerk.
So I get what she’s saying and it sounds like she’s got some decisions to make.
Justin I adore your humour thanks for always sharing your take on the music industry but also for making me smile sending love to you and yours from north west Uk ❤
This was well said by you and the people you quoted. Glad Chapell Roan is standing up for herself 💜😊💜
I once saw a famous actress at Blackpool pleasure beach. It was someone from Coronation Street, she was with her partner and her kid. I didn't approach her because really I didn't know what to say and I didn't want to bother her. I am just glad I saw her being a normal person, having a family day out.
I think that Chappell Roan will have to start going out in disguise - wearing a wig and sunglasses to stop people bothering her. Has she thought about that or would that also piss her off? I do wonder if when her fame decreases whether she will miss the attention.
Hi Justin, you are super kind in your assessments of these videos😊. I just want to point out that unlike you, who have built a career in steady climb, hers litarlly came overnight. She was a cult artist still living in her hometown with her parents. What probably hasn't hit yet ironically is the f tons of money that allows you to insulate yourself from the stalkers. She lives in BFE Missouri. Even as huge as she is, if she moved to NYC, no one would really bother her. At the height of her fame lady gaga drank at her local bar. The checks will clear in a few months and sort itself out. I hope so. Shes 's really talented and not a studio construct like so many phenoms.
Hi Justin, great point. I'm not perfect like anybody else, that's why I hate the word fan, best friend is a actor nobody knows, most wonderful guy. I'm from a musician's family so I'm used to the fact of sometimes celebs around. People have often no clue were all people and not objects. Many can't handle the sex-appeal artists have? It's natural with it. But never a excuse to be rude to artists. I talked to some but to be honest I NEVER asked a picture not a autograph etc. No hug! Lol😂 like you want to hug a stranger? I admire people for their art sometimes personality once know them just like you can meet non famous people. The impact it has is what normies don't understand, a lot of them.
Thnx for your music Justin and your cool video's,
😎👋🏽
Also as an out and proud queer young woman, there's a level of not knowing what safety measures she needs to protect herself from people with bad or hateful intentions - just because you as a fan know that you're quote unquote safe, doesn't mean she does. So blurring the line and encroaching in her privacy, even if it comes from a place of genuine admiration, is still stepping through a bubble of protection.
I don't agree really.. In order to be famous and get your fortune you want followers and to do that you put yourself out there (including the make up/costume and attitude) and then you can't expect to be treated like a down to earth joe blogs when you are not on stage .. not going to happen sorry. Obviously the bad followers and perverts and abusers come with fame, Probably means you need to figure out how to deal with that, making a rant angry demand isn't really the way to do that, maybe ask the big starts how they deal with it. (And that's not just for this lady, I've never heard of her)
This is why @rush wrote the song #Limelight
Zayn said similar things years ago wanting to be a normal 22-year-old and wanting to slow things down and be away from the limelight and the over work their management put them through. He was ridiculed by 1D management and by his 1D bandmates. 1D stans threw vitriol and hate towards him. Chapelle Roan is loved by music industry, celebrities, other musicians and general public has empathy towards her. No celebrities supported Zayn, general public called him ungrateful and lazy and music industry blacklisted him...plus he had the added racism, xenophobia and islamophobia to deal with.
On James Corden, Noal Gallagher was condescending and made fun of Zayn for leaving the band.
On Howard Stern, Harry Styles belittled Zayn's mental health and called Zayn "unprofessional" for leaving the band for his mental health and creative freedom.
Can you imagine today Noal Gallagher and Harry Styles saying those things about Chapelle Roan!?! they'd be cancelled for their cruelty and unkindness!!!!
02:23 I adore those pictures!!!😍😍😍✌️
Lately I've been examinating some cover artworks and I wondered if artists may had added some hidden messages in them...with that cover at 00:22 I also see some kind of subliminal image...😆 Well, forget about it, maybe sometimes I overthink too much (but I can't help with it because it's like when one sees shapes in clouds, I do it uncounciously 😅)
20 years ago my brother and I were in the recording studio with a famous rock producer whom I won’t name. One of the reasons we backed out and decided to get out of the industry was we knew what we would be signing up for, including having to deal with being famous. Anyone who chooses to be a pop music artist should know what they’re signing up for. I’m not saying that it’s right that people violate the boundaries, but it’s the nature of the beast. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
That’s the thing, you can still want to make music or art or anything on a high scale but saying it’s what you signed up for is really just reinforcing harmful behaviors. Did the celebrities who were killed by fans sign up for that? No. People need to learn that just because someone is in the entertainment industry they aren’t owned by the fans.
I like Justin!
Yeah he's cool 🎉
But I can't see .is he out of focus today or is it me ? 🎉
I think everyone is entitled to their personal space, however famous they are. I agree with @GizzyDillespee in that context really matters. The excuse "I bought an album therefore I'm entitled to hugs and autographs" doesn't really cut for me. Imagine the response if you tried to hug the girl on this Supermarket checkout just because you'd bought some frozen peas! Peace and love, is the best approach in all things.
I love her music, and I'm glad she's getting a discussion about celebrity boundaries out in the open. On the other hand, I have no idea how I would act if suddenly confronted with a star in the wild, and I'm afraid that I'd act the fool.
This is why I leave musicians/artists/performers alone when I see them in public unless they are doing a meet and greet or explicitly state that it’s okay to approach them. At most I’ll do a quick nod to acknowledge them if I enjoy their work.
I totally think it’s reasonable to be polite and say something. But they’re people / strangers going about their lives like the rest of us. They don’t ‘owe’ fans hugs, pictures, and chats just because they’re a performer. That said, I understand how this can get blurry when artists commodify their persona and as a result the person and the artist and the product are essentially (or mostly) the same thing. The piles and piles of social media that some artists create gives the impression / illusion that fans ‘know’ them. Some artists also share difficult experiences, vulnerabilities and personal struggles that fans might also strongly identify with and which also builds a strong sense of connection albeit through the medium of social media. I understand Chappell’s personal difficulty with fans’ behaviours and expectations and I think it’s fair for her to feel that way; however, its also partly a problem of her own making. The sense of personal connection she (and other artists) developed through social media has certainly contributed to her success and popularity. A doubled-edged sword for sure.
I do wholeheartedly support this young woman for standing up and setting boundaries. And I think she deserves even *more* empathy, not less, exactly for the reason that her reaction is a bit naive and self-oriented. "Random women" DO get harassed in the street all the time, it isn't merely a celebrity issue. I think Justin hit the nail on the head... if/as her career continues, she may find it easier to cope, and perhaps be more circumspect.
The fucking Cult! I'd love to have a chat with Billy and Ian!
Never heard of her.
On the one hand this is one of the things that comes with fame, on the other - people need to remember that public figure does not mean public property.
In italy: they kill when no one is looking for them anymore 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Once met Noel Gallagher in the street, I asked politely for an autograph, he said of course and couldn't have been nicer. Fans need to be polite, but as Gallagher says that when you have the privileged position of holding down a job millions dream of, you have a job to show up and do your job.
What all day every day?
now I feel bad for talking to Peter Dinklage in my corner deli
I think the issue is more nuanced than Ms Roan is willing to accept. To a certain degree, she's right. Just because she's famous people shouldn't be stalking her or her family or harassing her. But to be offended that people come up to you and ask for a picture or autograph seems to cross the line into ingratitude. If you don't want to be famous, go be an accountant or something but if you're going to get the perks of being famous, you have to put up with the reasonable costs. I'm sure she loves the perks like getting to the front of the line at clubs and seated in restaurants without reservations and all the other fun perks of being famous. So maybe she'll just have to suck it up and take a moment here and there to greet her fans (within reason of course) without whom she wouldn't get the perks.
Remember that song by Eminem: The Way I Am? - That's just saying the same thing in a song.
I think if you approach a celebrity for a photo and they say no that’s totally reasonable. And if a celebrity states that in general they don’t want to be approached in public I think it’s reasonable to respect that.
It is interesting to me how people think that because celebrities get to experience enviable things that go with fame that means they should have to bend basic boundaries “in exchange.” Not necessarily. Maybe we’ll have to adjust to the idea that while creepy behavior might not be entirely avoidable for celebrities, yes, they may get to experience the perks of celebrity without having to pay a huge emotional price. And we might feel jealous about that, but we may also get a society where respecting each other’s boundaries is more of a norm.
@@Zundfolge If I get a bonus at work this year, does that mean it’s fair game when my boss slaps by butt in front of everyone in the office? Or when derogatory remarks are made in my direction? No, of course it doesn’t. Chappell Roan is just another person and shouldn’t just suck it up if photos are a problem for her
They deserve those perks because they create things the majority of people are incapable of creating. Many people don't want fame, they want their work to be known. They shouldn't have to pay for the perks... They already paid with the joy they created.
Haven’t heard her music but I’ll give it a listen- she’s real
Justin I think you are awesome and the darkness album we all bought was fabulous, can I just ask was the riff for I believe in a thing called love taken from Phil Collins going loco in Acapulco, because I performe it and it just reminds me of your song ?
It's a case of people needing more empathy and less entitlement. A lot of people don't see celebrities as actual people, they seem to think they own a piece of them and they owe them for being a fan. I'm as anonymous as can be, and I have days where I just don't have the bandwidth to interact with people. I can only imagine how draining it can be for celebrities.
I hope you check out the new King Gizzard album!
I have just listened to Deep Fried Sunshine, the band Justin plugs at the beginning (which Dan Hawkins produced) is fantastic if you love jangly Rickenbacker power pop.
Dan also plays drums!
For awhile I've been playing computer games as Justin Hawkins as my player creation. Over the last decade or so, Justin Hawkins has survived 3 apocalypses, contributed to allied success in WW2 and saved the planet countless times, all this whilst looking fabulous with flowing locks and the tightest of tight apparel.
Its just something I've done 😊
Artists are absolutely not fair game for violating their personal boundaries. If anything we owe them rather than the other way around.
PS Hi Justin have loved your work for many years.
I've noted more male celebrities and youtubers talking about their experiences with stalkers and other scary experiences with a "fan." Whuch was weirdly surprising. Like why was I assuming this only happened to female celebs? It's been interesting to see how gendered these expectations of celebrities can also be.
Your backdrop this summer is absolutely awesome🥳