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SAILDRIVE UPGRADE KIT fixes more than one problem! - Episode 48
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2020
- In this episode we show how we upgraded our SD50 sail drives on our Lagoon 450 to alleviate the problem of the slipping cone clutch, which is an extremely common issue with these saildrives. Also, on our way into Rio Dulce, Guatemala, the sail drive developed a loud, disconcerting ticking noise, which I had no idea where it was coming from after dismantling the unit. However, as a huge coincidence, while upgrading this unit, the ticking noise disappeared.
Since this episode was filmed we have sailed over 2000 miles, using the engines on regular occasions, and the sail drives have not skipped a beat. You could contact saildrives@yahoo.com if you want to upgrade yours.
SV Parlay is a hurricane damaged 2012 Lagoon 450 Catamaran bought in Tortola, BVI at the beginning of 2018. Colin and his friend spent 4 months getting her seaworthy, before setting sail across the Caribbean. Follow our journey as we continue to fix her and eventually circumnavigate the globe!
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Oh, forgot to mention:
Upgrade Kit = USD495.00 each
Included with a Kit(s) are the Setting Up Clamp, feeler Gauge, Instructions, Lapping Paste, Cleaning Brush etc.
Spline Holding Tool = USD 46.00
Something was not in tolerance when it was originally manufactured. I'm sure that accounted for the ticking sound. You were thorough in your work and made sure everything was to spec and properly installed the upgrade. That's what Pros do. :)
the lapping job probably fixed it.
where did you get the upgrade kit from?
Does Gideon have a email addy or site where I can buy the upgrade kits? Love your channel. Thanks
I really love hearing the line in your intro saying “20 years from now you’ll be more disappointed by the the things you didn’t do than the things you did”. It really inspires me.
How yall dont have more subscribers baffles me. Love watching and learning from the journey. Keep em coming. Great job guys.
2yrs later this video is still massively helpful Colin. We just did ours and kept yours and Gideons videos close for reference throughout the process. Much thanks man! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Hey Sailing Parlay - I'm not even sure you'll see this comment but I have to leave it anyway. I just completed my SD 50 upgrade (Gideon's kit) and it went very well. Your video was key to my success. Thanks, brother! The details you included took the mystery out of the project. Really appreciate it. Can I buy you dinner - wherever you are now?
Always nice to have things magically get fixed just by taking it apart and putting it back together. Love following along on this journey!
Amazing how that works out more often than not. 😁
Again really interesting even if it’s not boats you’re into just good knowledge & engineering 👍👍🙏⚙️🇬🇧
Mr Consistent is your new nickname as you continually deliver ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ content.
THANKYOU
Hey Colin, next time use figure 8 motion when polishing/sanding flat parts. A circular motion actually might put a bevel on it.
I have no idea what I just watched but it was fun watching just the same. I’m great at taking things apart...putting them back together is another story for another day! Keep on sailing!😎
At 4.54 i think you put the spring on the wrong side of the cone. It should be under it. At least it was in mine when I had to dissemple it. I 5:04 you see that the spring is on the top of the brass cone.
You guys all have the best tan. Are you just hanging out by a pool all day? Be careful, that sun and heat is a killer. Keep up all the hard work, she's looking good. 👍👍👍
Thanks Clay!
Why do I get the feeling you will be the cruisers that end up being the hero’s of the ocean helping out fellow cruisers all around the world!
Considering I’m in a yacht in dry dock right now but we are talking 110m and i have the two biggest yachts in the world next to me, 180m and 160m and having seen inside these boats......I’m more interested in these refit videos showing your experience.....proves an engine is an engine, a bearing is a bearing, the basics of engineering stays the same whether on a 45 foot cat or a 600 foot jet drive yacht! Keep going brother 🍺
It's good to have an engineer onboard. Nice work Colin. HI GUYS n GALS!
This engineer got lucky with the ticking noise that's all haha
@@ParlayRevival Fair enough, but anyone besides you would have made a mess of everything, so cheers to "this" engineer.
You are an absolute effing Genius! How very kind of you to show how the work needed to be done, how to get the spares because not eveyone is so forthcoming with helpful information.Fair winds! Huggles to Marty & McFly
Hi Colin
My SD50 started slipping on my Beneteau OC 40, here in Dubai. Yanmar said the parts could take months to arrive and even longer for an engineer to assist ( absolutely useless out here). Fortunately having followed your channel for a few years now and being a Patreon previously I recalled this episode and reached out to Gideon.
He shipped the upgrade kit, it was with me in 3 days and I spent my 40th bday rebuilding the cone clutch with the upgrade. It seems to be working well, considering ive never even changed an oil filter myself.
Thanks to this video, watching it over 100 times to check the process against the instructions, I think I have successfully fixed the problem.
Thank you, keep on trucking you mad dog.
Sometimes laying hands on is all it takes to "fix" some things but i have a feeling the thorough cleaning, lapping the cone along with checking tolerances / bearing preload didnt hurt anything... well done!
Yes it must have something to do with one of the above!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing the steps
Understood everything you did to the saildrive. I'm with you, don't understand what fixed the ticking :) Good job :)
Englishman inFrance I know right!
Super Duper Yacht Mechanic! Second career a NASCAR chief mechanic! All the best from the states! Hope your Holidays were well and now are away from that Volcano in Panama! Cheers!
That saildrive just wanted a little love!......in salt water it's a wonder that these mechanicals last as long as they do, great diy vid!
Thanks Daniel!
Was about to say the same thing. Had a Volvo like that once. I swear that engine would just get lonely.
Great job Colin, your engineering experience come to the fore, these sail drives look like pretty complex bits of gear
Congrat's Parlay Crew on a job well done! Love the episode and channel. Safe winds Parlay.
My theory is that with mechanical pulses from the compression strokes on the diesel motor it slapped the clutch assembly back and forth in the housing. Setting all the clearances properly probably restricted this movement, eliminating the ticking. That's a theory worth 2 cents and a cuppa coffee with me having scant knowledge of the mechanical assembly.
Haha your guess is as good as mine...
👍👍👍👍Good job. You did fix it before it completely broke ... better it done now and not out on the water........👍👍👍👍
I swear you guys should have more subscribers than any other channel. I will in time you will.
It's just fantastic when you shell out for parts not knowing if it's going to fix
the problem , then you go thru the hole process & wala , job done.....a pause
....then a turn of the key...
then a benny hill moment dancing , music , jumping up & down...WELL DONE YOU...
cheers
Nice job Fixing !!!
Love your work guys :)
Thanks a lot!
Impressive work!
locking tab dropped inside due to metal fatigue, just fell out as you cleaned every thing.
Ticking noises are always fun to track! Looks like a ball bearing is missing from the clutch's bottom carrier bearing. It may still be in the housing but have found a home to roll into when you removed the clutch assembly.
I recently had to fix a ticking in my brothers RC car that ended up being a single grain of sand stuck in a gear tooth that drove me nuts finding.
Craig Overend yea I put it back in. Thanks!
I think I would have had to remove the bellhousing and check the drive plate ect, while the top was off the saildrive! Thanks for sharing. 😃
Awesome sensei another great video!Biggest fan from cocoa beach
Excellent video!
I'm kind of surprised of the simplicity of the construction. Not a lot that can go wrong, as long as the bearings are in good shape. Looked like a simple but fiddly type of job.
Nice work!
Two possibilities for the ticking sound to have vanished. First is that a small piece of metal was causing it, that fell or was washed out during disassembly. The other is that the drive has worn slightly, and the play in the gears or clutch was where the ticking sound was being generated. By torquing the assembly back to spec, it no longer had that play from being worn. Stopping the ticking. Both are just guesses, but they seem plausible. Your disassembly and inspection should give you confidence in the drive now, that you didn't have before. That takes one worry off the table at least.
Hi hope you read this.. Please check video at 4.34 I might be wrong but that lower bearing doesn't look right to me.In the video looks like a ball is missing.Would explain the noise. What is more concerning if i'm right where's the ball matey.
blurtmenow good eye! Yea they are able to fall out in a certain position. Designed that way, which I hadn’t seen before. I did put it back in. Thanks!
Hey that’s great stuff matey always love
The work , thank mate you’ve taught me something important that I won’t forget , ticking noise was your conscience worrying about future problems and now you are worry free
Bloody kiwis eh? Making silk purses from sows ears from the very beginning
Thanks very much mate .
Great video as usual :)
Doing this job tomorrow... really looking forward to it like a hole in the head 😉🇦🇺
Way too technical for me. I'd fuck that right up!🤣 Good job bro! ✌️🍻
Hi Colin, maybe I'm wrong, but it appeared the bearing you fitted (visible at 4:34 into the video) was missing one ball as there is a wide gap between some of the balls. Maybe that is causing the ticking and it may therefore return. Take a look and see what you think.
armacdee yea it fell out and I put it back in. Thanks for your comment!
Thank you for the video.
Tony & Susan here, You know what they say skipper %#it happens, you would make a good chief engineer , Haha
Very nice great success!.
Very happy about this one!
@@ParlayRevival One less thing to worry about when you are mid ocean.
Ticking noise is gone Colin so its a win mate.
Aye m8's! Adjusting a tension - maybe tells a story? Some wear on several surfaces in the component line, could result in some play, right? After adjustment, no more playing around. That's my vote for now. 🔧
That kinda s(7$t will drive a man to drink.Enjoyed the vid Colin.
I am not familiar with your use of wd40! You are an boot engineer so you should know 😉 that wd40 is not the choice of victims 😉. Try the Netherlands Company Interflon they have everything on Lubricants you need for assembly, lube and loosen thinks. I love the way you going on your way. Best wish for you and your crew, Marko from Germany
Genius !
Hey Colin, -- QUESTION -- We are narrowing our choice for a sailboat (not a Catamaran). Assuming everything else is equal, would you prefer to have a sail drive or a shaft drive? We have found a few quality sailboats but some have sail drives and some are shaft drives. If I forced you to decide between the two, sail vs shaft, which would you pick? Remember, you have to decide so no "it depends" please (I know that on youtube no one likes to express a clear position on "controversial" issues).
Slipping cones,
Sounds about right ;-)
Colin,
I remember seeing a preview to a video where you had to remove an engine, is this the same one? Also how much longer will you be on the hard? I am looking forward to when you are in the water.
If only I was forty years younger and know what I know today. As always best wishes you all.
Be safe
Grandpa
So basically the kit changes the preload on the cone clutches based on the clearance of the new top nut, correct ? The vent tube is a good idea !
It also adds thrust bearings instead of copper washers to eliminate any wear in the future, which is the cause of the issue.
$500 is a bit steep though.
My fear when I move onto a yacht is not having a mind that can put it back together without having spare lottsa bits left over.
My garage has a bucket of bolts, washers, screws and assorted bits and pieces left over from "maintenance" or "I can fix that shit" etc... so far all cars still run!
Good to have an engineer onboard.. *one female engineering position coming up, putting it out there 😉 🇦🇺
sometime just taking it apart will fix it
And I wondered were would get a lathe to turn turn that part.
You don't have to grind the nut, just turn it, it won't hurt the shaft.
Hi - great work on the Saildrive. How has it been? I have the same Saildrive and had the clutch lapped and it's still slipping! Nervous to upgrade with a non Yanmar kit so really interested to get your experience of how it's been since the upgrade. Thanks. and great channel, loving it.
Wondering the same. I saw the cat impi folks went with upgrading to sd60s.
Good video! Do you think you will eventually do the upgrade to the other saildrive?
It simply could gave been that the lash distance was wrong or worn on something and when you put it back together you adjusted some space by a thousand or so and lost the wobble that was making the noise
The tik was because was low in fluid maybe?
why doesn't the clutch assembly have a top support bearing in the cap?
Important question. Did the spray can on the awning frame (11:37) fall off when the engine started? Ha Nice video. cheers.
Hey Collin, cool vid. A question that just came to mind is...did the drive make the noise always or only while the prop was on under a load, in the water?
RJs Salty Adventures noise started randomly and even happened in neutral. All fixed now tho.
I was going to throw out a couple tips but I forgot your are a super yacht engineer so ….
I would just say, did the ticking noise happen out of gear when in the water? Asking because if the drive needs to be under load or not for it to happen. If not then I would look at the prop next. Also maybe pull on the drive back and forth when in gear just to check all bases.
Someone didn't watch until the end! haha Yea it was happening in neutral though so not prop.
@@ParlayRevival Ohhh.... Then maybe you fixed something you didn't know. Done that a lot of times.
Great! Where can I find this kit?
I just hate it when I do that.
Something is making a noise, tear it down, look it over clean it a little and put it back together.
And in my mind I know, I haven't done anything...😖
LoL, looks like a bloody nightmare.
It is a bit redickuless that they can't make a lock nut washer that's the right size so instead of machining the washer to the right size in a machine shop where they have all the equipment needed to make them right they expect everyone in the world where ever they happen to be to gouge out your housing so now it will only ever fit their kit what a joke of a way to run a company that makes after market parts and what do you do if you get it too big or out of round but a new housing
😜✌️🇨🇺👍👍💪
Awesome but i cant stand it when there is no obviouse cause to the solution. It drives me insane almost constantly waiting for it to show its ugly head. And you know it usually does at the worst time. But looks like youre new kit did it. So you have something at least to point at.
Ffs the videos are getting shorter and shorter each week🤣🤣🤣
I feel like 13 mins has a good ring to it? haha
Haha not even close😁we want more 🤙