I cant believe they just simply cover the middle seat and call it business class... You get better "premium seats" on budget airlines down here in south east asia
I can't argue with you. It's certainly rather poor. I understand that many of the European airlines use economy seats for their short haul business class, but surely they could make up for it with better food/drink and more flight attendants?
Most of the middle eastern and Asian airlines are government sponsored meaning they get special deals. European airlines do not get any of this and it is also illegal for governments to do so. In the long term most of these new airlines that are offering amazing packages will not actually be able to sustain them and then there is the risk that European airlines may actually throw a stroppy and force the EU to take action on this.
It does seem as if the only value added perks of flying Club Europe over Euro Traveller on BA are a) complementary check-in bags, b) lounge access, c) complementary food, d) priority check-in, security and boarding, and e) no passenger in the middle seat. Don't get me wrong, those perks are cool, but is it worth at least £250 if the seat isn't up to par?
@@jmlim7095 yes and no - Club X is euphemism term for 'Business Class' in BA speak, so they can get away with inventing a alternative hard product that they can't be sued or compared against business. Is it worth it? Yes for Tier Points, and if it means I don't have to deal with annoying passengers. Business class travel in EU is non-existent and the same applies with the service.
@@PaulStewartAviation thanks, much appreciated. It’s good that Europe is finally getting back to song long sought for normality. Fingers crossed for your neck of the woods soon.
My family and I flew British From London to Rome on a 767, we were going through London from Seattle. We landed only to find out our bags were still in Heathrow. Thank you British Airlines. Great video!
Thanks mate. Yeh they're not great. It's just a pity that there's not that many One World alternatives. I may fly to Europe with AY next year in which case I'll be keen to test out their short haul business product. While I'm sure that the seat won't be anything exciting, I'm sure the service/food will be better...
Thank you so much for your review!! I'm flying Club World on this route in December so I'm so glad I could watch a review of a similar flight before I take it. Great stuff and love your channel!
I'm due to fly out tomorrow to Cyrpus on Club Europe on a flight that is 4 hours and 45 minutes!!! I can't beleive the type of chair they have for this journey. When I shopped for other business class products they were not much different. When I was younger we got bumped up to business class with Cyprus Airways. The seats were amazing! I can only desribe them as lazy boy reclinding seats spaced out in a private cabin, similar to BA first class. You had great privacy and could exit without out disturbing anyone. It also had a TV multimedia system that folded out of the arm rest as well as a table for your food. It was the most comfortable 4 hour flight I've ever had and if anything I would have branded it a short hall first class, comparing it to my long haul first class trips. Unfortunately, the airline went bust as part of EU terms the Cyprus goverment were not allowed to subsidise the airline anymore. Ashame you can't get this level of product again on short hall.
I only use B.A. for short haul because I like using T5 at LHR - their business class on European flights is really more like a Premium Economy. This airline has come a long way down in the past 20 years but what can you expect when it's CEO used to be in charge of a budget carrier.
Couple of years ago I chose Alitalia to Rome because 1: the legroom was bigger on Alitalia business than Alitalia & BA economy and BA business, 2: the food is better, I think.
Thanks Samuel. Yeh it wasn't great. I can't believe that Europeans put up with this rubbish. We're certainly very lucky in Australia to get the level of service from Qantas and Virgin that we do.
Fantastic video again Paul! Keep up the great work, your voice was very clear and easy to hear. Great man! P.S. I have no clue what that airline in the video is, my guess would be NO IDEA. lol
Hi William, I agree that it's not a great product although it's much cheaper than what we pay for domestic business class in Australia. It's was probably double the price in the UK while Qantas/VA domestic business is probably 4-5 times as expensive.
Great mate! I'm thinking about to travel around europe with BA, but I'm not sure whether I should fly business or economy, now I got my answer. Thanks!
Struth I wouldn't pay for business. Do you hold status with any One World airlines? As I'm gold with Qantas, I already get access to the lounge and priority boarding/checkin in so the only benefit I got was the food (yay...) and no one sitting next to me. It certainly wouldn't be worth it if you were paying.
Paul Stewart I think I had a Qantas card (can't remember what status) which has expired, I haven't travelled since 2010, so I'll probably sign up for Qantas again because BA is a partner of Qantas.
Unfortunately, all the airlines that operate these European routes have this as a standard for Business class. Its the rest of the services that make up for the cost. Priority check-in counter, priority baggage arrival, fast track security (where available), priority boarding and dis-embarking, Lounge access at all airports, better food, no extra cost for drinks, extra baggage allowance. Less people sharing the toilets. Some airlines have extra leg room on seats. And tickets cost about £200 extra return.
another great review Paul.......as an English man I am embarrased at the way BA is going. to throw away a reputation for quality is crazy. I know it cannot be easy being based at Heathrow, with the expense and lack of new slots due to capacity, but they really are becoming a joke. oh, was the aircraft a Tunisair A320 ?
Thanks John. Yep it's a sorry state really. I don't want to be too hard on the British as they've obviously done many great achievements (ie. Concorde) but they've really lost their way. My other interest is cars and I have a soft spot for British cars (neighbour had a 1995 XJ6 Sport and it was beautiful) but it wasn't until the Germans (BMW) and Americans (Ford) bought them that they started making decent reliable cars. And the current range of fantastic Jags are funded by the Indians. It's a sad state of affairs really. As equally sad as here in Australia where our last car manufacturer (Holden), closed down last week, but we digress... :)
Wait a second... So for paying ~500 quid instead of ~100, you get some egg and bacon and an empty seat next to you? I'm amazed BA can get away with it...
I suspect that most club europe tickets are sold due to: 1) connections from long-haul international business class, 2) work policies where business class is a travel perk and 3) people who have too much money. I'd agree that it's certainly not worth it and I'm currently in Athens with 3 upcoming BA flights between Athens, Heathrow and Paris and all are in economy (euro traveller).
Apart from BA being crap, irrespective of class, something you said really struck a chord. I noticed when I had to fly them many years ago, even in BC the FAs just completely leave you alone in between the (fixed) meal services. The FAs don't seem to give a FQ about service.
British Airways the world's best and favourite airline.I am a huge fan of British Airways.Always Club Europe/Club World or First Class.The First Wing in T5 ,First Class /Galleries Lounges and the world's most exclusive lounge The Concorde Room.New Do and CO catering on Lhr-Jfk ,white bedding company pillows and sleeping amenities and amenity kit.New Aircraft arriving in 2018.Wifi gradually introduced in the next two years can't come soon enough.New Club World seat in 2019. New Club Europe catering with excellent food and UK Domestic Club Europe service.To all fliers in the world travel on British Airways always top notch.I love BA !!!
@bryan pebs haha that made me chuckle. I'd8this guy isn't Mr Cruz, he needs to be checked into... An asylum of sorts. BA are a joke and this club Europe is a joke.
What I do not get with any of the European Business Class airlines, is why do they have the middle seat at all in their supposed "refurbished" Business Class seats?. It is not refurbished is it, it is just economy, just with the middle seat out of service. TAP Portugal, KLM, all of them are the same, and none offer any entertainment onboard, unlike in Canada, USA, Latin America. In reality, the European airlines are quite substantially behind. Avianca I traveled as a connection flight in Brazil, although I had a Business Class ticket, the internal connection flight in Brazil was all economy on Avianca. Their economy is better than any European Business Class, they also have back seat entertainment and more leg-room. Go figure that one out. Europe is behind regarding Business Class flights. The only reason I would book Business Class European flight would be for fast check in and fast security, nothing else, because you get nothing else over Economy Class in Europe.
Ohh BA has stoped providing complimentary drinks and foods for euro traveller which make it feel no different than flying with easy jet or other budget airlines. One best thing that I still fly with BA in Europe because I get to fly from LHR T5 other than that I don’t see why should fly with BA, especially a long haul flight.
Hi Serena, I completely agree. There's almost no difference between flying the LCCs and BA with regards to the in flight service. I only fly BA so that I can take advantage of my One World status benefits.
Are you serious? I recently flew Delta long haul on what they advertise as their premium economy(I think it's called Delta +) and it was rubbish. Same cabin as economy and I think they gave you the same seat width but with slightly (1 inch maybe) more legroom. Food and service were sub economy on most non U.S. carriers. Paid a ridiculous amount for virtually nothing!
Most airlines in Asia have different seats for short hall business class. It is only in Europe where short haul business class = economy seats with a blocked off middle seat.
Well... it is handy being able to skip the queues at check-in, immigration and boarding, especially when you're carrying the little one :) Enjoy Rome!! have you been before? it's a fascinating city!
Never flown any class above economy so I thought I’d treat us as it was in ba’s sale. I’ve never been to Rome, I have Milan and it was nice. I have high expectations.
@@craiga6073 keep your expectations realistic and it'll be fine. In all honestly, being able to skips the queues and then relax a little in the lounge before the flight are huge perks. If you're into history then Rome is amazing. I visited the first time a few years ago and I already want to go back. :D
Austrian Airlines A320! Worst airline I’ve ever flown with.....and I’ve flown with a few. We really don’t realise how good we have it with Qantas and Virgin Australia.
Hi Tim, I'm yet to fly with Austrian although I'll keep that in mind. I totally agree that we're lucky with QF and VA although they're considerably more expensive.
Paul, I cannot understand how a guy who ran 2 no trills airlines in Spain, can go on to run a full service airline. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact, that Iberia are now part of the One World Alliance.
Yeah it seems like an odd decision. Look, I can understand that BA are probably very inefficient generally and they need to cut costs to maintain the pensions they have to pay...etc. Having said that, cutting the service sooo much is just destroying their reputation especially at a time when there's so much competition from the ME3 and now the Asian carriers. Interesting times ahead...
I agree. There is only so much you can cut back on, before passengers desert the airline, and there are plenty of other European Airlines, that are offering the type of service passengers want. Also, BA cannot afford to be losing their BC passengers. I know a couple of business people, who regularly fly to Frankfurt, and they deserted BA ages ago in favour of Lufthansa.
Exactly. BC and F pax are where the money is made and while BA do have a loyal group of supporters (most of whom are probably forced to fly BA due to their corporate policy), they'll change with time...
ahh , i see. Thank you for taking so much effort in making this video ! Sometimes, I dont even sleep because how exciting I am when I know my flight is the next day :D
how ba and other get away with calling it biz .oh dear.so far behind emirates and the like. but BA still holds all the aces at heathrow with best slots times ,each worth $100 mill,maybe one day uae might pay £5 billion or more,
In BA's defence, these crappy seats are the norm for intra-Europe business class although I'd still agree that overall, it's a poor product. I certainly wouldn't pay for it and all of my Club Europe flights have been attached onto long-haul business flights on 787s and 777s.
I completely agree, although in BA's defence, their flight was double the length of MEL-OOL and the ticket was probably one-third to one-quarter of the price. There's no doubt that Qantas and Virgin domestic business class offer a superior product to the short-haul business and first products in Europe and North America, but the Aussie airlines are considerably more expensive. :)
im on the fence. I thoroughly enjoy va ool to mel.lounge at both ends are fabulous. qf lounge at ool,view non existent. qf using the trolley for food service is a minus. have had nice flights from qf to ool but priority boarding was non existing :( Thanks fr reply
It is a bit crap, but it's not much more expensive than economy class. Unlike in Australia (where I'm guessing you're from?) where business is often 2 or 3 times more exxy (as you've said), club europe is usually only around 3-50% more expensive, and for good reason.
I cant believe they just simply cover the middle seat and call it business class... You get better "premium seats" on budget airlines down here in south east asia
I can't argue with you. It's certainly rather poor. I understand that many of the European airlines use economy seats for their short haul business class, but surely they could make up for it with better food/drink and more flight attendants?
Most of the middle eastern and Asian airlines are government sponsored meaning they get special deals. European airlines do not get any of this and it is also illegal for governments to do so.
In the long term most of these new airlines that are offering amazing packages will not actually be able to sustain them and then there is the risk that European airlines may actually throw a stroppy and force the EU to take action on this.
It does seem as if the only value added perks of flying Club Europe over Euro Traveller on BA are a) complementary check-in bags, b) lounge access, c) complementary food, d) priority check-in, security and boarding, and e) no passenger in the middle seat. Don't get me wrong, those perks are cool, but is it worth at least £250 if the seat isn't up to par?
True, but we're not just going to fly on over to Asia just to fly back up again!
@@jmlim7095 yes and no - Club X is euphemism term for 'Business Class' in BA speak, so they can get away with inventing a alternative hard product that they can't be sued or compared against business. Is it worth it? Yes for Tier Points, and if it means I don't have to deal with annoying passengers. Business class travel in EU is non-existent and the same applies with the service.
A good review Paul. Sounds like Club Europe is a total waste of money if there is no extra seat space and no IFE
Thanks Ian, yep I'd never pay for it.
Paul, one of my favorites! Great video my friend!
I have been debating upgrading to business for a flight next week. Think I’ll save my money. Thanks for this Paul, much appreciated.
Safe flight!
@@PaulStewartAviation thanks, much appreciated. It’s good that Europe is finally getting back to song long sought for normality. Fingers crossed for your neck of the woods soon.
cheers, take care!
Yes, as a frequent flyer I would say that BA definitely needs to lift it's game!
My family and I flew British From London to Rome on a 767, we were going through London from Seattle. We landed only to find out our bags were still in Heathrow. Thank you British Airlines. Great video!
Thanks mate. Yeh they're not great. It's just a pity that there's not that many One World alternatives. I may fly to Europe with AY next year in which case I'll be keen to test out their short haul business product. While I'm sure that the seat won't be anything exciting, I'm sure the service/food will be better...
Paul Stewart: Awesome can’t wait to see it!
Why I love flying to LHR is that you have a wonderful view over London, what I've missed in this video.
Thank you so much for your review!! I'm flying Club World on this route in December so I'm so glad I could watch a review of a similar flight before I take it. Great stuff and love your channel!
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to hear that people appreciate the hours I spend editing. :)
Well edited Paul. You're really improving the quality of these reviews.
Thanks mate
Well guess I wouldn't be booking business for that. What a dismal product :(
Yep, I'm glad I didn't pay for it!!
I can hear the disappointment in your voice
Its just not a great service.
haha I've got a cold too. :) I blame BA! :)
Oh dear. Thats not good at all! It just doesn't look worth it. What is the point of the same amount if leg room 😑
At least u get lounge accese
Ive done BA from London to venice and return club Europe found it so good.That good im going club again in 2 weeks
Enjoy! I haven't visited Venice so I'm jealous!
I'm due to fly out tomorrow to Cyrpus on Club Europe on a flight that is 4 hours and 45 minutes!!! I can't beleive the type of chair they have for this journey. When I shopped for other business class products they were not much different. When I was younger we got bumped up to business class with Cyprus Airways. The seats were amazing! I can only desribe them as lazy boy reclinding seats spaced out in a private cabin, similar to BA first class. You had great privacy and could exit without out disturbing anyone. It also had a TV multimedia system that folded out of the arm rest as well as a table for your food. It was the most comfortable 4 hour flight I've ever had and if anything I would have branded it a short hall first class, comparing it to my long haul first class trips. Unfortunately, the airline went bust as part of EU terms the Cyprus goverment were not allowed to subsidise the airline anymore. Ashame you can't get this level of product again on short hall.
I only use B.A. for short haul because I like using T5 at LHR - their business class on European flights is really more like a Premium Economy. This airline has come a long way down in the past 20 years but what can you expect when it's CEO used to be in charge of a budget carrier.
BA needs to lift its game. Big time. Mother England's 'worlds favourite airline' is no longer worthy of the affection.
It's a bit sad really.
True, but it's not at all bad for long haul. It's a shame that the short haul flights let them down so much!
Couple of years ago I chose Alitalia to Rome because 1: the legroom was bigger on Alitalia business than Alitalia & BA economy and BA business, 2: the food is better, I think.
Great report. Terrible excuse for business class that Europe gets away with!
Thanks Samuel. Yeh it wasn't great. I can't believe that Europeans put up with this rubbish. We're certainly very lucky in Australia to get the level of service from Qantas and Virgin that we do.
Samuel Kim you shoud see Ryanairs first class
But they are short haul flights anyways
Lucky you got to see another aircraft while in an aircraft!!! Great video as well mate!!!
Thanks mate
Fantastic video again Paul! Keep up the great work, your voice was very clear and easy to hear. Great man!
P.S. I have no clue what that airline in the video is, my guess would be NO IDEA. lol
Thanks mate :)
Looks like you had a good time flying...Yeah, going to the different lounge areas are really very nice...I tell my friends to do that all the time...
An interesting flight report again Paul. It certainly doesnt look any better than economy!
Thanks. Absolutely, if you already have status with One World, it's no better than sitting down the back with a shadow.
Great review. I expected more legroom for Business Class but I would prefer this to National Express though as it is quicker than a bus.
Thanks mate
Another outstanding review. Loving that patented Stewart razor sharp humour
lol when are you back at work?
Nicely done Paul.The good old days when economy also got food and drinks for free ,pity about that.
Thanks mate. Well most other full service airlines offer complimentary food and drink in economy. It's just that BA are a bit crap...
Damm British Airways for a short flight business didn't look great. Your reviews were great. Love the music while while in cruise
Thanks mate :)
Great review! Like some others have mentioned, poor excuse for "business class" especially with the seats.
Thanks mate
Incredible bro!
Thanks mate
Lol love the jokes and the new video style! This is great!
:D
I just do not understand why the European airways do business class so poorly. What is the cost difference?
Hi William, I agree that it's not a great product although it's much cheaper than what we pay for domestic business class in Australia. It's was probably double the price in the UK while Qantas/VA domestic business is probably 4-5 times as expensive.
the plane flying by you in the video is an Airbus of TUNISAIR, probably and A320.
I think you're right!
My goodness, that’s business class? I hope you didnt pay for it!?
Absolutely not. :) It was booked with points and connected with BA First out of LHR.
Great mate! I'm thinking about to travel around europe with BA, but I'm not sure whether I should fly business or economy, now I got my answer. Thanks!
Struth I wouldn't pay for business. Do you hold status with any One World airlines? As I'm gold with Qantas, I already get access to the lounge and priority boarding/checkin in so the only benefit I got was the food (yay...) and no one sitting next to me. It certainly wouldn't be worth it if you were paying.
Paul Stewart I think I had a Qantas card (can't remember what status) which has expired, I haven't travelled since 2010, so I'll probably sign up for Qantas again because BA is a partner of Qantas.
jrglol an aviation tourist wgo hasn't flown ib 8 years
A wonderful flight report Paul. It certainly looks like an average business class product!
Thanks mate
@paulstewart Does the upgrade to Europe Club include food in the lounge and onboard, or do you have to pay for the food?
Unfortunately, all the airlines that operate these European routes have this as a standard for Business class. Its the rest of the services that make up for the cost. Priority check-in counter, priority baggage arrival, fast track security (where available), priority boarding and dis-embarking, Lounge access at all airports, better food, no extra cost for drinks, extra baggage allowance. Less people sharing the toilets. Some airlines have extra leg room on seats. And tickets cost about £200 extra return.
Ive been flying so long when I started the inflight entertainment was the air hostess passing around her snaps of her holiday in Corfu .
:)
another great review Paul.......as an English man I am embarrased at the way BA is going. to throw away a reputation for quality is crazy. I know it cannot be easy being based at Heathrow, with the expense and lack of new slots due to capacity, but they really are becoming a joke. oh, was the aircraft a Tunisair A320 ?
Thanks John. Yep it's a sorry state really. I don't want to be too hard on the British as they've obviously done many great achievements (ie. Concorde) but they've really lost their way. My other interest is cars and I have a soft spot for British cars (neighbour had a 1995 XJ6 Sport and it was beautiful) but it wasn't until the Germans (BMW) and Americans (Ford) bought them that they started making decent reliable cars. And the current range of fantastic Jags are funded by the Indians. It's a sad state of affairs really. As equally sad as here in Australia where our last car manufacturer (Holden), closed down last week, but we digress... :)
0:39 if you travel economy you do not have access to the lounge unless you have a higher tier level...
Yes. You have to be higher OneWorld Ruby.
Beautiful footage during takeoff.
Thanks :)
Wow I’m heading to Spain tomorrow and I’m on 3F!!
Safe flight my friend
Wait a second... So for paying ~500 quid instead of ~100, you get some egg and bacon and an empty seat next to you? I'm amazed BA can get away with it...
I suspect that most club europe tickets are sold due to: 1) connections from long-haul international business class, 2) work policies where business class is a travel perk and 3) people who have too much money. I'd agree that it's certainly not worth it and I'm currently in Athens with 3 upcoming BA flights between Athens, Heathrow and Paris and all are in economy (euro traveller).
"No surprise re service, food et al In the words of Jennifer Paterson "Pure British Rail " Was it Finnair ?
:) I don't think so. They're usually white with black text aren't they?
Looking forward to using Business class in March from Sofia to Heathrow. 😁
Safe travels!
Love that takeoff sound! Great flight report! Liked!
Thanks mate
Apart from BA being crap, irrespective of class, something you said really struck a chord. I noticed when I had to fly them many years ago, even in BC the FAs just completely leave you alone in between the (fixed) meal services. The FAs don't seem to give a FQ about service.
They don't anymore and I know of someone, who was referred to as 'mate' by a flight attendant, and he was flying BC.
At 1:31, the man to the left looks like one of the actors from The Terminal
Kumar Pallana is the person I'm referring to
its an Aegan aircraft. flying below you (greek airliner)
You might be right
I‘m going to fly BA Club Europe on one of their 767 soon... Hopefully, they have a bit more legroom and/or more softer seats than on the A320.
Hi mate, yes from memory the club world seats are a little bigger and plusher in the 767s.
Wish I watched this before i paid for my ticket
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@bryan pebs haha that made me chuckle. I'd8this guy isn't Mr Cruz, he needs to be checked into... An asylum of sorts. BA are a joke and this club Europe is a joke.
Subscribed!!!!!!!
Thanks mate.
What I do not get with any of the European Business Class airlines, is why do they have the middle seat at all in their supposed "refurbished" Business Class seats?. It is not refurbished is it, it is just economy, just with the middle seat out of service.
TAP Portugal, KLM, all of them are the same, and none offer any entertainment onboard, unlike in Canada, USA, Latin America.
In reality, the European airlines are quite substantially behind.
Avianca I traveled as a connection flight in Brazil, although I had a Business Class ticket, the internal connection flight in Brazil was all economy on Avianca. Their economy is better than any European Business Class, they also have back seat entertainment and more leg-room. Go figure that one out.
Europe is behind regarding Business Class flights. The only reason I would book Business Class European flight would be for fast check in and fast security, nothing else, because you get nothing else over Economy Class in Europe.
Agreed. I'd never book club europe unless it was connected to an international business/first class flight.
Hi! Do you use a stabilizer when filming takeoff/landing videos? I would like to buy one for my iPhone, do you have any recommendations? Thankyou
Hi mate, no I use a Sony A6500. :) It has an inbuilt stabilizer although I don't think that it's particularly good.
Economy class in algeria is better than this what the hell i booked one and iam regretting they don't even provide you a screen
Oh yes. Leaving Rome on a stunning day only to fly through 4 layers of clouds to land in England.
Typical. haha :)
Ohh BA has stoped providing complimentary drinks and foods for euro traveller which make it feel no different than flying with easy jet or other budget airlines. One best thing that I still fly with BA in Europe because I get to fly from LHR T5 other than that I don’t see why should fly with BA, especially a long haul flight.
Hi Serena, I completely agree. There's almost no difference between flying the LCCs and BA with regards to the in flight service. I only fly BA so that I can take advantage of my One World status benefits.
Awesome video! You can't compare Qantas to BA because Qantas is too good xd
Thanks mate
BA is the worst business class airline in the world
Rory McNicol Ryanair, WizzAir, I can Go on And on...
Almost all airlines have the same short hall business class, its only really American carriers that give you a better seat.
Qantas and Virgin Australia give you a proper seat.
Are you serious? I recently flew Delta long haul on what they advertise as their premium economy(I think it's called Delta +) and it was rubbish. Same cabin as economy and I think they gave you the same seat width but with slightly (1 inch maybe) more legroom. Food and service were sub economy on most non U.S. carriers. Paid a ridiculous amount for virtually nothing!
Most airlines in Asia have different seats for short hall business class. It is only in Europe where short haul business class = economy seats with a blocked off middle seat.
Was that a BA in BOAC livery?
Nah this was filmed before BA started doing the retro liveries :)
I've recently watched a Dennis Bunnik video on BA Business Class, on a bigger plane (I can't remember which one, sorry) & he was disappointed too.
Yeh they're quite disappointing at the moment.
That's okay for me, though. I have no intention of flying with them!
Thanks Paul , really enjoyed ! Seems like the usual BA offering in "business class" ...
Thanks Joshua.
I’m flying business class with my family on a deal, 334 pound for 2 adults and a baby, to Rome, please tell me I haven’t just wasted 134 quid
Well... it is handy being able to skip the queues at check-in, immigration and boarding, especially when you're carrying the little one :) Enjoy Rome!! have you been before? it's a fascinating city!
Never flown any class above economy so I thought I’d treat us as it was in ba’s sale. I’ve never been to Rome, I have Milan and it was nice. I have high expectations.
@@craiga6073 keep your expectations realistic and it'll be fine. In all honestly, being able to skips the queues and then relax a little in the lounge before the flight are huge perks. If you're into history then Rome is amazing. I visited the first time a few years ago and I already want to go back. :D
Amazing, can you confirm how long before your flight you can normally enter the lounge, 3 hours seems the most realistic answer?
Club Europe, what a waste of money
Agreed! I would never pay for it.
What was the music 3:00 onwards?
I"ll check tonight and let you know. Remind me if I forget.
Brith of a Hero by Bensound :)
That's business class ???!!! No thanks
Yeah, it's not great.
This is business class really?
Yep :)
Austrian Airlines A320! Worst airline I’ve ever flown with.....and I’ve flown with a few. We really don’t realise how good we have it with Qantas and Virgin Australia.
Hi Tim, I'm yet to fly with Austrian although I'll keep that in mind. I totally agree that we're lucky with QF and VA although they're considerably more expensive.
I think it's Lufthansa
Why would anyone pay extra for that?
Good question!
BA will not change whilst Alex Cruz is CEO, he is know as Mr Cutback, so don't expect any changes whilst he is at the helm.
Yeah I have't heard many good things about that guy.
Paul, I cannot understand how a guy who ran 2 no trills airlines in Spain, can go on to run a full service airline. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact, that Iberia are now part of the One World Alliance.
Yeah it seems like an odd decision. Look, I can understand that BA are probably very inefficient generally and they need to cut costs to maintain the pensions they have to pay...etc. Having said that, cutting the service sooo much is just destroying their reputation especially at a time when there's so much competition from the ME3 and now the Asian carriers. Interesting times ahead...
I agree. There is only so much you can cut back on, before passengers desert the airline, and there are plenty of other European Airlines, that are offering the type of service passengers want. Also, BA cannot afford to be losing their BC passengers. I know a couple of business people, who regularly fly to Frankfurt, and they deserted BA ages ago in favour of Lufthansa.
Exactly. BC and F pax are where the money is made and while BA do have a loyal group of supporters (most of whom are probably forced to fly BA due to their corporate policy), they'll change with time...
They need to revamp their seats big time
The seats are reasonably standard for short-haul business class in Europe although the service could and should be improved.
Hei Steward 😂 smile more bruh, why u look tense at the beginning
It was 5am and I'd just had 4hrs of sleep. haha :)
ahh , i see. Thank you for taking so much effort in making this video ! Sometimes, I dont even sleep because how exciting I am when I know my flight is the next day :D
that jet was a 737 or e190
Look at the winglets. It's an A320. I don't believe that BA don't fly any 737s any more . :)
oh sorry, you mean the other aircraft! apologies! I think you're right, it's either an Embrier or a 737 but I don't recognise the livery.
It looks almost akin to the SAS retro livery tbh, (nvmn watched a bit more of the scene with it and it definitely isn't)
how ba and other get away with calling it biz .oh dear.so far behind emirates and the like. but BA still holds all the aces at heathrow with best slots times ,each worth $100 mill,maybe one day uae might pay £5 billion or more,
In BA's defence, these crappy seats are the norm for intra-Europe business class although I'd still agree that overall, it's a poor product. I certainly wouldn't pay for it and all of my Club Europe flights have been attached onto long-haul business flights on 787s and 777s.
What not any opportunity of plane spotting at the lounge? Boring.
yeah the view isn't great
At least the food was free?
well, it is business class
I’m going business class from Rome
Hope you enjoy the flight and Rome! :)
I hope the business class isn’t more than $500 AUD one way with the quality.
I used points although I'm fairly sure it was less than that to have purchased the ticket.
Not back till 13th November
We'll make do without you.
An interesting review of a reasonably poor product Paul.
Thanks mate
Muito Show
Thanks mate
Alternatively you can book 2 economy class seats and call it business class at way less than half the price of this 'business class'
Have you done that yourself? I my experience, the intra-European business class is NOT double the price of economy.
@@PaulStewartAviation Its possible in the US, not sure about EU. But the service/food might be different though.
Boeing 777 not sure of the airline
It looked too small to be a 777 I think.
This is short haul business. Long haul is actual lie down beds, much better 😂
Yep, it's not very good. Their long haul product is much better.
4:30 vueling
You may be right there!
Nowhere near enough leg room. Really bad in my opinion
brilliant flight review but for business class is so pathetic.Money back please.
Thanks mate. Yeah it's a bit sad really.
That’s horrendous
Not business class in a million years!!! Utterly ridiculous!!!
dam well not up to scratch.yep qf mel to ool j class,much better.B.A were the best once,in the 80s.lol
I completely agree, although in BA's defence, their flight was double the length of MEL-OOL and the ticket was probably one-third to one-quarter of the price. There's no doubt that Qantas and Virgin domestic business class offer a superior product to the short-haul business and first products in Europe and North America, but the Aussie airlines are considerably more expensive. :)
whose your preference domestic,qantas or virgin j class?
QF :)
im on the fence. I thoroughly enjoy va ool to mel.lounge at both ends are fabulous. qf lounge at ool,view non existent.
qf using the trolley for food service is a minus.
have had nice flights from qf to ool but priority boarding was non existing :(
Thanks fr reply
BA Club Europe is a total disgrace - the same seat as economy but for 3x the price!!!!! PATHETIC!
Yep, it's pretty poor.
BA is a hopeless airline. Club Europe is just the worst business class and their lounges at Heathrow are a joke.
Yeh they're in a sad state
Looks shat
pretty lame BA
I've stopped following you because I'm tired of hearing how women avoid you, and that you're single.
ok
How the fuck is this business class
The worst business class seats ever!! I feel sorry for those who were paying double to triple money for this shit
It is a bit crap, but it's not much more expensive than economy class. Unlike in Australia (where I'm guessing you're from?) where business is often 2 or 3 times more exxy (as you've said), club europe is usually only around 3-50% more expensive, and for good reason.
This is economy plus. 👎🏾👎🏾