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I feel like this game is just on the brink of becoming an industry standard, but even I, a diehard Spoon fan, feel like they are still saving “the best stuff” for later, but who knows if that’s the case
Spoon… I like it
as a former sploon fan, I've given up. I don't expect anything better and am moving on...
Why are you a fan of spoons?
I just want to PLAY ONLINE AND NOT PAY FOR IT!
@@WilliamMantoothYES! AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OLD GAMES JUST LET ME PLAY ONLINE NINTENDO RAHHHHH
Honestly it’s refreshing to hear criticism of splatoon 3 with no aggression and minimal copium. We have seen the best of what splatoon has to offer and we just want the best for the series.
The game with the third entry is in fact growing and getting better even given your lame cookie cutter comment. I have seen positive feedback after positive feedback with each update and not the complete opposite that ypur going to tell me.
@maplemiles3381 I've seen a lot of positive reviews of splatoon 3, and I've also seen a lot of negative reviews. I love this game, but there's nothing wrong with sharing that it feels like there's a couple things missing, and it is refreshing to hear criticism that isn't vitriol and hate. It's because people love this game that we want to see what's best for it, so we can see it succeed even more.
@@bonkdonk297 this person in particular just goes to anyone talking negatively about the game and tries to virtue signal it as if it was as beloved as TF2 or even Overwatch 1
believe it or not thats sort of the norm with people who are obsessively playing Splatoon 3 for the competitive, since this game is just straight up Halo 5 instead of Halo 3 in terms of just casually playing multiplayer
as in, its so competitively charged that I cant confidently play Turf War without some john wick coming along and spawncamping since "thats how you win"
@@Overlordette so if I ink everywhere am I supposed to just let people kill me?
Also “competitively charged” even though the maps were ruined so shit players wouldn’t get lost
For a game with no real microtransactions, it sure feels like it does.
Fr though, if I didn't know any better I would say that the amount of grind feels like it's balanced to make paying microtransactions feel like the better option. You know, the way EA and other money-hungry companies do things; where your options are to sink in hundreds of hours working towards a single unlock, or just pay $10. But Splat3 doesn't have microtransactions, so why the heck is the grind balanced like it!?
@@LowPolyPigeonMaybe it's so you have to spend more on Nintendo Switch Online to be able to grind some more.
feels like they were planningon having them at some point in development then scraped it but kept all the tedious grind that they wanted you to pay to get rid off
It feels like a Game whit microtransactions whitaut microtransactions yeah
Lets also not forgot you need pay to play online l
The Splatfest Hostility that you mentioned was something that really shocked me as well. Before the main event had even begun, people had gotten so heated that they were reporting posts cheering on teams that they weren't on, which soon became a big enough problem that other people had to make posts telling people not to do that.
From what i saw, the banning/reporting issue died down as the actual splatfest started up, but that didn't stop people from spreading needless anger in other ways. I could literally sense the genuine anger and tension between teams as the event was happening, and i gotta say it kinda disturbed and ruined the fest for me.
Splatoon of all games turning into one of the most toxic communities I’ve ever seen is just really fucking sad in my eyes. Seeing the discourse from the anniversary splatfest almost gave me depression
Yep!!! It was.....a mess. smh Hopefully the devs will think of a better way to make the themes more enjoyable and something that most folks would agree with, and also make it a hard decision between the three themes so that you have to choose one, that way we won't have a bunch of folks at each other's throats. It kinda ruined the fest for me too, splatfests are meant to be fun and enjoyable not stressful.
Stans and shippers are the worst.
I've seen people break their fucking switches over splatfest. It's sad and pathetic.
What could even cause such hostility? I know it's competitive but c'mon
I'm so glad to hear a big youtuber call this format out. It's become impossible for me to get invested in lots of titles I actually care about the last few years because it takes YEARS for the game to actually feel complete because of them relying on "FREE UPDATES EXTRA CONTENT UWU"
He’s not the only one but yeah, I traded Mario Golf after a few months and didn’t even bother with Battle League because with that pitiful roster, why should I?
@@boydixonentertainment Oh ofc he's just the first bigger creator on my radar that I've seen is all, and it's something I expected more people to talk about by now is all.
And then if you hold out till its complete everyone playing it is so good that you just get Destroyed.
@@awesomeness1122 Especially in games where they've already spent hours grinding for upgrades and meta items/equipment. Even WORSE if those items are p much if not flat out ARE exclusively premium battlepass rewards
@@Konpeimimi They can come off as a bit of a pessimist, and the amount of cursing they do, or their humor might not be for everybody, but I tend to find Stephanie Sterling's channel Thejimquisition does a lot of good videos calling out bad industry standards in gaming, both in games and abuse workers endure as the "industry standard".
"Early access preview" at full price...yes. this is true for several games....and some died bad. Glad this game is still ok.
Nintendo should still slow down with this practice.
For a game whose motto is "stay fresh"
They sure don't
"Stay fresh" was the Squid Sisters motto in the first Splatoon. In Splatoon 2, the catch phase was "Don't get cooked, stay off the hook"- perhaps they were warning us about something. I don't really know exactly what the slogan is in Splatoon 3- it might be "Catch ya later." Though "Catch ya later" seems more of a sign off- or is it? Either way, times change along with some people's focus.
Not to mention there’s basically 0 customization because all the good/unique items are locked to a battle pass that takes a eternity to grind while the shop is stuck with the same crappy cloths I’ve even bought pretty much all of them
The "challenges" should be an entire new mode. Adding party modes in constant rotation would add so much value to the game casually.
Honestly… I never understood why challenges are locked to specific times. I thought Nintendo learned their lesson from salmon run yknow? But at least splatoon 2 salmon run didn’t have terrible rotation times. Why the fuck would you limit a challenge mode to a time stamp of 1pm to 3pm??? On a school day? I thought this game was for kids Nintendo? How the fuck is anyone under the age of 18 supposed to play that challenge if they’re in school?
And it’s so short too. Like just 2 hours for one single day? Wtf?
@@staticaleel5068 inklings totally bunk school to participate in challenges, you just gotta do as they do, duh
/s
@@staticaleel5068 I have a job and let me say, it takes away just as much time as school. If not, well at least it can make you even more tired than school. The challanges are always available when i work or i asleep.
It’s crazy to think that we only have another year of Splatoon 3 until updates for the game stop.
Wild that it’s already been one year already!
Unless they decide to do it for 3 years because its splatoon 3
Stuff like side order apparently got delayed by 6 months, so some people are theorizing that updates will go on longer because of that
@@squiddler7731 that's probably for the best, because if side order comes out as bad as 3 is now, people would riot
From what I can tell people’s issue with Splatoon 3 isn’t quality it is content tbh
@@squiddler7731 i really do hope that updates would go on for longer with the internal delay, otherwise side order would release with only 2 seasons left in the lifespan of the game
When it comes to the charger and splatling issue, hammerhead bridge makes it feel like you might have well already lost when the opposing team has those weapons since there's none existent cover and the map is literally a straight line
Exactly! Exactly! ☝Like don't get me wrong the map is fun, but when there's a charger or a splatling on the opposite team, it makes the stage feel like a prison and there's no where to hide.
Roller main here, went all into Jr, custom Jr and splatana k
Just to make chargers and splatlings have a miserable 3
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who hates the catalog. It was a pain. I remember specifically last season I was one level short of an item that I wanted because I was actively moving into college during the last month of the season when I could have pushed for it.
Also, I hate how hostile the splatfests have become. And it's really funny because over in Japan and Europe, they aren't seeing a lot of it. When I was interacting with someone from Japan they straight up didn't believe me that Team Frye was actively spawn camping and special bombing Team Shiver because they hadn't even seen a fraction of the NA threats going on :(
Man NA can't have anything nice-
>spawn camping and special bombing
Average ranked match
I completely agree, it's nice to hear this from someone who loves splatoon knowing the criticism is more out of love instead of hate
WITH A SIDE OF SALT
True
NO WAY
WITH A PINCH OF SODIUM CLORIDE
@@antoniohenderson6090Uhh dude? It's salt.
@@cragl3yman343 Yes. sodium chloride is salt, he's still right XD
The more i hear pointed out about this game, the more I come to realize I'm willingly keeping my eyes closed to have fun with the game.
So you choose to ignore the reality of the situation?
Of course 😁
The game definitely has A LOT of fun in it if you just take a break from focusing on the flaws all the time. I pretend I do not see can be healthy too XD
2:50 THIS!! As a carbon roller deco main, these new maps have been practically IMPOSSIBLE at times. Once you get to a certain rank (I’m at S+, for example), players get good enough that it’s near impossible to dodge chargers past using ninja squid to sneak around, and even then some players know to look for the trail that’s still there. The best experience I had playing was a few weeks ago with the challenge mode that was brushes and rollers only because it actually felt like a fair fight.
Same. I used to use carbon roller but I couldn't get close to anyone because of how little range I had. I ended switching to Areospray/Splattershot
im genuinley surprised carbon decos havent died out 😭😭 WE NEED TO STAY STRONG
Carbon mains unite!!!
Ive heard very good things about how this game handles work life balance, which is why I've been giving this game much more leeway than I normally do. Employee health matters way more to me than content speed. My two big worries are 1, is most of the remaining updates really only going to be focused on limited time events that'll go away at the end of the game's life cycle, and 2, on that note, how much content will be available at the end of the life cycle. I'm guessing they realized later on they want to extend the amount of time this game will get updated, because if they don’t, we maybe have two or three updates left, which is, bad.
I agree completely!
so true
Bro kits is just 30 seconds to make and a week to see if it's good, maps in chill season to sizzle were the same, idk if that excuse saves Splatoon or other games that tends that like Minecraft
in both 1 and 2 they always have kept doing updates for longer so I won't be surprised if lets say we go at least until the end of 2024 and at the end of the final season that starts September 2024 they give us our final stages, and then we gets Sheldon's picks in early 2025. In 1 the updates were supposed to end at the end of summer 2015, but continued til January 2016 where they were supposed to be done again. Than Sheldon's picks were announced and the game continued to be updated til the final splatfest with smaller things. then 2 was supposed to end in July 2018, then ended up going full speed ahead with updates til the end of 2018. And even then they added Sheldon's picks back in 2019 and kept making new content for every splatfest and a final big update at the end of chaos vs Order. Hell, they did the same with new horizons. it was meant to get updates for a year and then they suddenly at the year and a half mark in November 2021 released the dlc. it's inevitable honestly they love gong past there set deadlines with every game since the first splatoon
@@guillermocervisalmeron2209 you do not understand how games are made.
1:16 HE FINALLY SAID THE THING
With a side of sodium
Roll credits.
Really shocked about the fact that you called out how chargers and splatlings are worse than the Aerospray. I definitely agree with you on that part. Dying constantly by these two weapons every single time is annoying to the point that I feel like I’m playing in a Wii U Splatoon match all over again (before it became unplayable with hackers).
I wasn’t sure if the reason that I was getting constantly splatted the moment I stepped near the middle of mincemeat metalworks was because of weird stage design or just my terrible skill. I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks the stages need improvement
It’s so hard to get in the middle of a stage without a charger or a splatling shooting you and it’s annoying. And that’s coming from a hydra splatling and splattershot main.
@@Amassivemistake Pretty much every stage but these last 2 have been entirely flankless. Stretch them out, and they're just straight lines from one spawn to the next. There's no 'big, middle area with multiple paths', and there certainly weren't any inkable goddamn walls that actually mattered lmao. I was actually shocked to see good(or at least DIFFERENT) design return with Shipshape and Crableg. Crableg still kinda suffers from the overall shape being a tetris S piece, but the walls and grates creating a second floor make it more dynamic than the others that are 'S shaped piece with a block/platform in the middle'.
I like Splatoon 3 overall. It’s a fun game, but it definitely is still rough around the edges. I do acknowledge the low points (especially things like the Splatfest hostility and the online servers) and respect why people address them as such.
The past couple of major updates to Splatoon 3 have made me cautiously hopeful it’s heading in the right direction… I can SEE a finished game! I WANT Splatoon 3 to do well.
There are no servers for the purpose of hosting matches. If games are laggy, it's because either you're lagging, the player you're watching is lagging, or the game host is lagging. (And technically, "lag" here refers to the connection between two of these points, not any one of them -- it could just be some random downed tree in a state in between you has resulted a bottleneck due to oversubscribed ISP partners in the US.)
The part that actually is handled by Nintendo (or really the Splatoon 3 dev team) which I absolutely hate is the matchmaking. It's largely acceptable in X rank, but it will still generate extremely unfair matches in Anarchy modes where one team's combined weapon selection is virtually incapable of functioning, or some players just seem to have no interest in participating in the game and just sit in the back of the base with a frontline weapon hoping for their team to carry them, never moving out for anything short of a complete ace. Turf War features the worst matchmaking in any video game ever, full stop, and will pair me (with nearly 2000 hours in this game) with players who roll at people with the Dynamo roller or only use tap shots on a tri-stringer, on a team with four backliners, against four players with capable frontline weapons who move and fight smartly.
Honestly though, the splatfest posts are either absolutely deranged or just people talking about their sex lives.
@@Yutii-The-Yutyrannusoh God, that's horrible. No wonder Nintendo hates their fans when they act like this
@@Yutii-The-Yutyrannus WAIT WHAT-
@@Yutii-The-Yutyrannus thats not true.
very rarely I also see scott's splatposts.
I can handle early releases with add-on content as things go on if there's two things.
1. An actually fun base game
2. A type of game that is able to be put together like a puzzle over time seamlessly
And it's not full price.
3. No microtransactions
That’s why I like Dead Cells, I got it three years ago, and it’s really grown since then. The gameplay is really fun, the DLC are worthwhile, the free updates are frequent and good, and because it’s a roguelike, adding new content works great. It seems like the devs keep working on it because they like the game too much to stop improving it.
I think the best examples of this system working are Monster Hunter World and Rise.
Fun basegame, which was supported for a while until the DLC came out, which was an entirely new game on its own, which was then also supported for free for a year.
The microtransactions are purely cosmetic.
My one gripe is that both basegames lacked an endgame until the DLC came out.
@@longbeing This is very very very very true. The devs just seem to love their game! Excellent for the fun factor, I think.
Scott put some of my feelings into words I didn't have. I was non-stop grinding this game until TotK and Pikmin 4 came out. After that I dropped off pretty much completely unless there was a Big Run. I didn't even participate in the last two Splatfests.
I have many gripes but I think my biggest is definitely how drinks are handled. They don't stack with a gears brand. In fact, you're just as well off using ANY brand with a drink, because your drink ability is rolled behind the scenes first and the game is coded that if your drink role ISN'T the selected ability, your given ability will be anything BUT the drink ability, even if the brand normally increases the odds. I always felt that at the very least, the drinks would be guaranteed to give you the chosen ability on the last slot. The second slot would have a 75% chance and the first slot would have a 50% chance. JUST MAKE DRINKS WORTH IT! Also, I don't need money or levels. LET ME TRADE MONEY AND LEVEL TICKETS FOR CHUNKS!
My biggest upset with 3 is that they barely do anything with the Chaos theme.
And the one thing they do with this theme (Big run) is one of my favourite things in the entire series and thats saying a lot since I've been playing since splat 1.
I honestly would have taken some ripped t-shirts or the Chaos headgear we got for the Splatocalypse.
My second most upset is that the weapon kits just arn't enough the earlier seasons like Chill and Fresh season was amazing but it's been an entire year now and theres still weapons with no second kits like the Squeezer, sure barely anyone plays Squeezer but the Big Swig Roller gets barely any use and that has a 2nd kit.
I get that they want to get new weapon types out like the Dread wringer and Edit Splatling but I feel like they should have prioritised getting every weapon a 2nd kit 1st before rolling out all these new weapon types.
Also fun fact: Side Order was supposed to be released this season for the anniversary but was delayed twice due to not being ready yet. I honestly don't mind though having a big run, a splatfest and a new story mode all in 1 month would be a bit too much to handle.
From what I can tell, a lot of the "chaos" went into the design of splatsville. A city set in wastelands, all towering buildings made of mishmash parts haphazardly stacked together, thieves for idols, the shops and key locations scattered about the now much more expansive hub, and about as many different cultures as you could noticeably shove into one city. The splatfests (and of course big run) now also feel more chaotic with the way they're set up and performed (hastily constructed wooden mini-stages that shift all across the map, trying to combine 3 different cultures into one song)
For a game themed on "Chaos", it's as chaotic as a line at the DMV. Every map is just a funnel to a middle chokepoint with no flank routes for "chaotic" antics. The weapon kits and specials (compared to 2) are really underwhelming and the fact that we have EXTREMELY dry streams of content (no new maps, cosmetics, or weapons until the 3 month season ends) is really sad. The only time the game ever gets chaotic is during challenges... which only have 3 2-hour time slots at outlandish times for no good reason at all.
The Chaos theme thing is because pretty much most of the content seems made so they could have just slapped an "order" or "chaos" sticker on it once the splatfest was finished and call it a day. Scorch Gorge feels like the ONLY thing that really embodies that theme, and likely wouldn't exist if order had won. This lack of Chaos feels most prominent though, in the concepts for Deep Cut, most of the concepts that went unused embody that Chaos theme more in their designs (notably with Frye's punk, designs, and Big Man's concept of being an Octarian troop). The finalized designs seem to tilt towards an inoffensive middle-ground again, outfits that embody the culture-coding they represent more, just in case Order had won instead.
Even Splatsville itself feels like it could just be reworked in-lore to fit the Order theme by just claiming it "brings order to the chaotic world of the splatlands" but I get it, they probably didn't want to deter folks away who weren't on Team Chaos or those that aren't fond of that idea, and it's also why the Callie vs Marie splatfest amounted to a mentor and brainwashed ally dynamic which was easy to swap, and overall had little impact in the grand scheme of things (especially when callie was more proactive in S3's story anyway)
I still have yet to experience big run, last one happened at 3 am for me 🥲
@@SomeGaymerNerd pretty sure big runs last a full day/weekend like splatfests, no reason why you can't catch it
I always felt BAD that I stopped having motivation to play this game after like a month, and even when I did, it was only for splatfest events.
This video kinda listed ALL the things that were bothering me about it. It's really hard to pick up a game that only rewards you when you spend an unholy amount of time grinding. Not everyone's got the free time for that.
People create this illusion in their minds that you have to grind to play this game, for some reason. It's really weird for me to see people think that chunk grinding is actually a thing, since it should take maybe 10 chunks of 2-3 different types to fine tune a set after you roll the abilities on it, and you have to do this like, maybe three or four times to have equipment for every weapon, and Salmon Run throws hundreds and hundreds of chunks at you, and it doesn't even matter much to begin with. Many pros don't even have more than a few gear sets at this point since you don't get gear exp from private battles. Similarly, if you play a few hours a day, you'll max around five to six catalogs in a season; maxing the only one that matters takes about one game a day, or only playing each Salmon Run rotation up to 1200 points would get you there as well.
It's so bad, like my motivation to play is incredibly low because the time to reward ratio in sploon 3 is absurd. Which is compounded by the fact that the maps suck and just aren't fun to play on for long periods of time
I completely agree I love splatoon so much but after that a couple month I never had the motivation to play but I do sometimes and grind but it’s just it doesn’t come to me all the time saying I have to go okay it now do you what I mean
yeah! :( im not a person, and honestly who is, who can care about a game all year, ill just have my moments where i wanna play, and then where im just taking a break, i remember trying to grind out the spring catalog because i really wanted that one seafoam outfit and it was hands down the LEAST fun i have ever had in the game so now i just gotta accept that ill only get very few lame rewards every season :/ the only time i finished a catalog was in the very first season because i was obviously hyped about the game and was playing it nearly EVERY single day and even THEN i only finished the catalog around 1-2 weeks before the end of the season so how in the fuck are you supposed to get anywhere CLOSE to getting it when just playing casually?
@@celestialspark5697playing SEVERAL hours EVERY single day is a LOT, thats more dedication than i spend on fucking school 😂
The analysis in this video is spectacular. As much as I love Splatoon 3, there's a pretty big reason why for a while I only played the single player and then fell off. There simply hasn't been enough content until now for online, and even now it's a limited bunch.
I decided to go back to Splat 2 while last weekend's Splat 3 splatfest was going on because of how toxic they can be, and I enjoyed Splat 2 SO much more. The maps were much better, and everything just felt more fun. I even encountered some people from earlier groups of matches because of the small player pool, but I really don't mind. At least with my matchmaking luck, I usually got a full group of 8 within up to a minute.
You hit the nail on the head for so many points. That’s exactly how I feel about the grind.
I remember the days when buying a game was the entire game and it took a good length of time to come out, and it was like getting the pristine quality. Like a slow-cooked steak with it prepared perfectly with all the care of a professional chef.
Now it feels like games are equivalent to Fast Food. Sure, they give you what you asked for but then they forgot things, messed up the order and then you have to wait even longer for them to fix what should have been there from the beginning.
Totally agree with the battle pass points. I grinded that first pass because it was new and exciting. I was going to be playing the game anyway. But by the end of the first season, I was so tired of dealing with the grind. Plus, my respet of solo mode was complete by that point and Pokémon Violet soon consumed my time. When the second season launched and catalog levels were just as slow to grind, I lost all motivation. Side Order will bring me back, but unless they adjust some of the regular game aspects, they will lose me again. They need to adjust for us casual players. And trust me... I WANT to love this game. I dressed as an Octoling last Halloween! I love this franchise!
Splatoon 3 has probably been the game the hyped me up the most. I got into Splatoon 2 half through its cycle. So playing Splatoon 3 from start has been so much fun
the real question is if Scott is gonna call his dlc video "side order... with a side of salt."
salt with a side order
Salt with a Side order
@@bookid1581 bro...
@@inazumarai7690 great minds think alike
Order a side salt of with
I think the main thing that really bothers me is that it feels like they revealed side order way too early. Like unless it gets a release date after this next splatfest or sometime before the year ends, I don't see the reason for revealing it other than combining it with the inkopolis dlc. If they're really, REALLY taking their time with it, I hope it's insane. also I feel like it would've made more sense to reveal it during this splatfest or like you know, closer to being done :)
AFAIK Side Order was originally supposed to release this season according to the files but it has been delayed not once but TWICE to 'season 7' which would be Fresh Season 2024. The original release date made the reveal in February more understandable and that this update would've been the big blowout update, but instead that will probably be next year. Still I'm gonna be pretty surprises if the game only gets 2 years of updates.
yeah, it felt so anticlimactic to see the dlc thing before i even set FOOT in the singleplayer
Scott is so right about the "premade of 4 training for their next scrim sporting their one-tricks they have 500 hours in."
A majority of these players just... have no life (Not sorry, it's true). I can't even enjoy the game casually anymore, speaking as a guy who has a graphic design day job. I don't even want to be a pro, I just want to... like, play the game but it's practically impossible when the game thinks the best way to make teams is to pit squads up against solo queue players. I mean, what a joke.
No life is when you win video games
So true. The casual to tryhard ratio in this game is so unbalanced that it's not even fun to meme and goof around with the weirder weapons in turf war anymore.
The grind for splatoon definitely is my biggest grievance love how well you worded the problem as well. Like why does the silly squid game expect me to play nonstop it’s unreasonable 💀
Somehow I'm still drawn back to the game despite agreeing with every point in the video. It's kind of impressive how long I (and many others) have managed to keep playing
Well hey, even with its faults, in the end Splayoon 3 still is and can be a fun game to play! It’s why there is so many players
Same here. I’m shocked I’m ok with this grind. I just kinda play after school exclusively with online friends and I’ve been doing the catalogue just fine. I find splatoon’s rendition of the battlepass incredibly fair and easy to grind. Other than that….. yeah I need more content man. I’d probably be playing the game more often if it did.
This feels like a therapy session to me and the rest of the burnt out splatters who feel the need to keep playing this game we love in the face of boredom/burning out. Thank you for validating my dried out desire to play through 2023 Drizzle Season.
Straight up only got halfway through the Sizzle season catalog. Dunno how far I'll get in drizzle season v2
Nah fr
I really wish that Nintendo adds some variety to the map layouts. Hopefully, with Part 2 of the dlc coming up, we get something like that
its crazy to go back to splatoon 2 and see the sheer amount of variety you have in your kit choices, there are so many kits in that game. they gotta ramp up kit production to give us more than like, 6 every 3 months.
4:57 HOLY SHIT it's not just me! All of my friends told me I was being hyperbolic whenever I tried a new weapon in turf war and got stuck with deadweights while playing against X-ranked players. I feel vindicated!
(Maybe i shouldn't tho cause the weapon that broke that long streak was... a Splatling)
Same here. I remember trying out the rapid blaster deco in a turf war on sturgeon shipyard and 2 out 4 players I were facing had that silver X rank badge. There tetra duelies spended no time and rush to our base where he consistently spawn camp us. Needless to say me and friends did NOT had fun in that match
You are completely correct in everything about this game. It's an amazing fun time gated by the developers blocking features and releasing content in odd waves. It's sad that this is the new norm for games
i think it's more to do with the content itself and how it affects what's already there
The whole thing about talking about how aggressive Splatfests have gotten really made me wake up a little. I started on Wii U with Splatoon 1 in that small pocket of a community, but 3 is an entirely different story. there’s plenty of people now, and a lot of them new. I’m as casual as a X Battle player gets and don’t really interact online much so I don’t really consider such a massive change as something possible.
Yeah. I’ve seen way too many people get aggressive about team choices and idols recently.
I get it, shiver is on a winning streak and it’s annoying. But I don’t think this calls for any shiver hating or harassing people who like the character.
People are starting to take these fests too seriously ngl
@@staticaleel5068honestly if the splatfest results didn't affect the amount of snails players got in the end I'm sure people would be a lot more lax with each other. The fact that the 2nd and 1st place teams get more than 3rd means that there is a legitimate reason to treat the event seriously, which ruins the fun of the festival.
I got so hyped up for splatoon 3 and after a few months of playing it, I got sick and bored of it. I thought I was weird for not playing all the time, only completing like two catalogs and seeing everyone else with better weapons, clothes and victory dances. After watching this I realised that it was completely normal to have just stopped playing, ty.
Technically, it’s been _under_ a year since Splatoon 3 released 🤓
Ah, Splatoon 3 prerelease
Okay! I am not old!
As a Big Splatty Fan since 1 on the Wii U, all these points hit SO close to what I think about the game as well. I have like 500 hours in the game and even then I stopped playing after season 2. There just wasnt enough. Period. I wish so much that Nintendo would drop their. "Hey we are a special snow flake so we do things differently." Mentality as skipping out on Quality of Life things and good buisness practices sure makes you unique but the games and communities suffer SO much because of it. I kind of hope this video reaches a larger audience as a PSA of sorts about the state we Sploon fans are in atm.
I honestly liked S2 update format better. Not only we had 3 new stages every 3 months (as opposed to 2), but having one each month gave me a reason to come back every single month instead of having the game stay the same for 3 months. Also, we used to get new weapon kits every week, keeping the game fresh at all times
The chunk system makes the grind for abilities so much easier now. I'm so happy for that. In Splatoon 2 I didn't even get my optimal gear at all, while now I have it completed for multiple weapons.
Dang, I'd love to see the timeline where scot actually became a splatuber.
I love me some Splatoon that it’s basically the game I would play everyday, but you do have a point. Quite a few actually, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Gave me a lot to think about.
I adore Splatoon 3, been with the series since 2, but yes I agree with everything you've said to a tee. Really hope things are going to improve in all aspects going into it's 2nd-year.
This was the first splatoon game I was able to get into at release and frankly, I agree with everything you said. I was so excited to play when it was new and after like a week, I was bored, tired of the grind, and just flat annoyed at being booted from every other multiplayer match. I still love the game but I don't play it as often as I would have liked.
Scott, my beloved. ❤️
This feels like a bucket of salt and I'm not even halfway through.
Man treated Scarlet and Violet leagues better compared to this and that game is still a glitchy mess despite the patches
It comes from a place of passion. Its from the frustration of loving a game but knowing that its not anywhere near its full potential
Also another thing for side of salt, the way that the inner mechanics of the game work, it’s more common for those who have an early year switch (2017-2018) to be disconnected
I played the story mode and it was incredible. I paid extra for online so I could run the matches because I love Splatoon. I was matched against people who had grinded it out from day 1, couldn't get ground due to chargers in the back, and I was kicked out, basically everything you said. I got bored of it immediately, and once I 100% the story-mode I uninstalled and started waiting for the new story-mode DLC to drop.
YES A SEQUEL VIDEO FOR A SEQUEL GAME!
I’m honestly amazed that they take winning for these three seriously.🐱
You'd be surprised what idol culture can cause... it showed a bit in 1 and 2, but not to that degree as far as I can remember.
@@markguyton2868I can remember people being VERY adamant about Marie being better than Callie
@@markguyton2868 the hostility has always been there, 3's bigger fanbase just makes it more obvious.
when splatoon 2 first came out, pretty much the entire western fanbase fucking HATED pearl. like, people made hate art and redesign edits to make her "prettier." i would say the current climate is still better than that era
@@geet9830 Makes sense.
I agree 100% with EVERYTHING in this video.
Also, note that we're getting 2 years of content updates, 3 if Nintendo says so... And we're already a whole year in. Ugh.
Splatoon 3: Start grinding
I'd say, that besides the maps, Splatoon 3 has been the best Splatoon game to date. Most weapons have really fun kits. Also a majority of the balances make Specials, abillities and Main Weapon more fun while not taking away what makes them special.
I agree
Also looking at the new maps and how frequently they appear compared to the other ones, I think nintendo finally realized what the actual problem was and is hopefully looking to fix it
Man, you always find a way to perfectly express how I feel about a game in your salt videos! Great vid as always!
I kinda share most of these grievances too. I was super excited for this game at launch and played it a lot but now, I just kinda play every once in a while for the splatfests and big runs.
Sploon 3 is my first Sploon. I owned 2, but because shooters were never my bag AND I had ladder anxiety (look it up) I never played it. I tried out the Sploon 3 testfire and because it was a splatfest, I played because I wanted to join this awesome ingame party. I went back and played Sploon 2 until 3's release, but focused on 3 when it launched.
The catalog is meant for you to play (and win at least once) daily. I normally don't have a problem finishing the catalog, but since this season has everything "new" in the first 50 levels, I might not bother. I finished the solocampaign, got ruler of splatfest, and generally have a lot of fun.
I've gone back to 2 and played through the story and the Octo expansion, and it hits differently than 3. 2 is more of a "jelly bracelets and counterculture edginess" whereas 3 feels more "Grown up." Maybe because i'm older than the playerbase, but that kind of endears 3 to me more than "glittery ink" 2 does.
There's a lot great with the game, especially competitive and balancing wise, but I totally agree we need more stuff, great vid
100% agree with all points brought up. ESPECIALLY regarding chargers. These maps have made chargrs wayy overtuned, there's so little risk for them now, and honestly seeing an elitre on the enemy team just kills my morale, because now I have the fun police tracking me every time, even flanks barely work because the map is so small that eliters cover the majority of it. Basically, if the enemy charger is good, you're almost locked out of being able to play. The sniper class has always been OP in any shooter game, but it's the map design that tunes them down and forces repositioning and snipers always having to watch for flanks. These Splatoon maps (and redesigns) remove all that, allowing a charger to perch and never move, only for the occasional special weapon and sub.
The biggest problem with Splatoon is Nintendo. A lot of potential in this game is lost to a company that just doesn't know how the online gaming world works. Nintendo excels at SP but fails miserably at MP. This is NOT how a shooter should be handled, and I wish Splatoon were born under a more competent company that actually know the ins and outs of online play. I love this game but it's so held back by incompetence and poor decisions from a company still stuck in the 90's.
as someone who never got burnt out on the game and has played it at least once a week since launch, this is an interesting perspective for me. i don't relate to most of your points (except the one about maps, a three map rotation would have been supreme- especially when undertow spillway is on rotation, lord have mercy), but this is also the first splatoon game i have gotten the chance to play after loving splat from a distance for YEARS. when i feel like i'm getting bored i just... try a new weapon. or rebuild a kit from scratch. or i rotate my primary game mode. i don't know, i feel like the game still has a lot to offer, especially for new players like me. but i can definitely see where your coming from with pretty much everything, i wish we were getting a longer update cycle at least. or that i had any hope that the update cycle would continue to be exciting. but we'll see! (also, apologies from a team big man member to everyone on team shiver. last splatfest legit made me so tired, i think everyone should try having fun while playing the squid video game next time)
Splatoon 3 with a side order of salt
The "battle pass, free content updates, please play our game forever" and the more toxic community is a symptom of the game industry itself, not just Sploon. And while Nintendo has put their own spin on those concepts, I worry that Nintendo has taken too many notes from other multiplayer games at the moment instead of focusing on what makes Salty Spoon unique. I adored the game at launch, but it just isn't sticking with me as long as 2 did. The big broad changes to 3 are fantastic, like the hub, lobbies, extra modes, locker, and movement changes etc. But the more specific design decisions, like the map quality, lackluster salmon run / tabletop support, and large gaps between content drops, makes it hard to get excited about the game's future. I came to Splatoon because it offered what I loved about multiplayer shooters while providing a new fresh take on the genre. Now, especially with the the grinding for content issue like in many other modern shooters, I'm finding it not as unique as it once was. Thank GOD there's no microtransactions though. And I do think many of the issues you talk about apply to the industry itself not just sploon, but they're still valid and I hope Nintendo finds a way to provide a new twist on the game when the DLC drops and in the future. Like they did before with the previous games.
There are some days that i feel that S3 does have a Block of Salt serving.
Cant wait to play it again soon ish
This is honestly such a good video Scott! Tbh i have my fair share of grievances with splatoon 3, like they basically havent made a alternate kit for splatana Stamper mains, and have essentially buffed regular splatana so that it does what stamper does but better, including increasing the size of the swipes and buffing its specials! Really sucks to have almost a hundred new blasters/shooters but then stuff thats ACTUALLY NEW WEAPONS in splatoon 3 get shafted
I legitimately think that Splatoon 3 was a finished game from launch, or at least a $60 game.
At launch, you got:
-Online multiplayer mode with 12 stages each playable with 4 different ranked modes and a casual mode, playable with 55 different weapons with 14 different sub weapons and 15 different special weapons.
-Story mode campaign with many different levels, bosses, upgrades, and more (that also isn't a repeat of the previous game's campaign).
-Salmon Run upgrade with QoL changes, new stages, new grizzco weapons, new special waves, and new boss salmonids (and no time lock).
-Tableturf and locker decorating side modes to complement shell-out machine and catalogs.
-Seasonal catalog with variety of new gear, emotes, and extras.
-Tons of headgear, clothing, and shoes with 26 unique gear abilities to customize with.
-Way too much music with new bands and Deep Cut.
-Smaller QoL changes and extras.
To me, this seems like a complete game (It also seems like a good excuse to restart the terrible meta game created by Splatoon 2).
oops this was a long comment
Yeah, agreed. There are plenty of other criticisms that can be said for Splat3 but it absolutely is a full game with a TON of content. Getting hundreds of hours from game on launch means it’s a full game
7:29 I'm glad I'm not the only one who has this issue. It's bugged me since the the first one how confused Big Run is thematically, and it honestly feels like the composers were given a completely different description of Big Run than everyone else
5:55 THIS
at first I had my doubts, since it was only the Deserted Island one and everything else seemed pretty subjective, but when I saw the Triforce power I knew
i mean, i knew i was Team Power, but yeah, the splatfests can be pretty damn unbalanced.
there's also certain groups that follow each Idol no matter the theme, I genuinely wonder what effectthey have on the outcome.
I honestly think the Triforce Splatfest was one of the more subjectives one
I’m happy to see you go back to stuff like this because that means you’ll eventually go back to cover Sunbreak so I can’t wait to see your reaction!
6:34 i like salmon run but eventually you just get stuck in losing streaks because the higher ranks are just, impossible.
To this day, I’ll still argue that they should’ve waited until the Switch 2 to release Splatoon 3 & let New Horizons have an extra year of support (since both are made by the same division of Nintendo EPD). I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise that Splatoon 3’s legs in the West seem to be mostly gone regarding sales.
I honestly agree with your standpoint on updates. I’d rather wait longer for a more polished game then all the “we added a new stage just like the past 15 now pls leave us alone”
If anything, a new ranked mode would be a great way to do this! Yea, ranked is good and yes, challenges were added but challenges are rarely open and ranked feels dry sometimes. I think a new ranked mode would atleast help somewhat with this issue.
I want the Kensa weapons back with their original loadouts.
Bro we do not need kshot AGAIN
I do agree on the matchmaking, it's been horrendous. I still struggle to hit my shots, meanwhile my opponents constantly hit the perfectly angled shots from low ground, or chargers doing 180° flick shots or jumping trickshots with levels of accuracy I couldn't dream of.
I don't much care for the multi-player outside of Salmon Run. But they were working with some new stuff and it is possible that they wanted to be sure the new stuff would mesh well with the old. It's like Kirby and the Forgotten Land. The ability selection was heavily limited, but this was also something very new for the series.
I think this was all a lot more obvious on launch than we gave it credit for
4:47 “Iheartyaoi” 😂
I totally agree I'm tired of half finished games being released but to be fair Splatoon (1) was also an early access game, we had like 5 stages in the base game back then😅
yeah this sums up how i feel about splatoon 3 tbh
i love this franchise so much and i remember being a little worried about how much of a grind this game seemed to be when they were first showing us the game and i really didnt want to feel discouraged by that
after the first season i barely play now and the amount of disconnects were very demotivating :')
i played a bunch of salmon run back then but the rng on the scales are ridiculous and it kinda sucks that i'll probably never unlock most of the collectibles cause of that
might come back to the game when the dlc comes out, for some reason ive always been a huge enjoyer of the singleplayer cause that's all i used to play in the first game when i was like 10 lmao
Well I mean if they just release everything on spot instead of gradually adding to it, people would complain that the game got boring within three months.
i have so much love for this series but the fact there is only one more year of updates is such a bummer for the amount we've gotten for the first year
1:46
I 100% agree with this. Splatoon 3 was looking like an "extra" from the get-go. It didn't feel "new" enough to make me feel like I have to play this over Splatoon 2.
Happy First Anniversary Spoon! ❤ I LOVE SPLATOON ❤
I honestly think the update format is good, we just need more content from each one
The drinks part is LITERALLY SO TRUE
This is genuinely the realest splatoon video of 2023
Seriously this is exactly the problem I was having with this game, I've been playing Splatoon since the first one and while I was able to play the first two games for months on the regular, I burnt out on 3 after season 1. While I LOVE the changes and additions to the main systems of the game, it really feels like they did everything in their power to make this game not playable on a casual level. Even Turf war seems to be constantly filled with high rank players looking to level up their gear since that takes so much time to do. The maps make Chargers and Splatlings, some of the most frustrating weapons to play against on a casual level, just dominate. With the maps we have now these weapons often take a coordinated effort to take down and that's not something you can rely on when your with 3 randoms. I never feel like I can relax when playing this game anymore as every game I play feels like competitive, I understand alot of this is due to turf war being inherently unbalanced and I would LOVE more casual versions of competitive modes, the half step with have right now is... ok, but its still a ranked mode. This was a issue I never had in 1 or 2, yet in 3 no matter where I go I feel like I drowning in a ocean of sweat. I can't blame anyone for trying to be good at the game, god knows I still try, but I feel like the design of the game has started to encourage this as the only way to really play. The combination of little content, bad map design, a sweaty community, and grindy rewards, just killed my love for this game. Which is a a SHAME since it easily could have been my favorite game in the series, as its mechanicaly very solid.
You have to remember: Splatoon 2 was like this in the first year and it got so much better in the 2nd years so it will probably get better.
Yeah, I sorta dropped off the game after completing the first catalogue, figuring "I'll come back when there's a good amount of weapon variety, maybe when my main gets a special I'm hoping for or even an alt kit at all."
None of those conditions have happened yet.
You know you did something right when you piss off Maple Miles. 😂
He called me an “entitled toxic narc” for saying that we should have third kits like all the other games
@@HeDronHeDronHedron He said I suck at the game for criticizing a stupid weapon kit.
I agree and I feel like one of the big let downs in salmon run is the reword system. The only way to get anything good is with the scales and those are awefull to try to earn after an hour of playing you face a boss salmon and loose and only get like 4 brons scales it makes it impossible to really get anything for a casual player I play a ton but without voice chat and being matched with random people makes it just that much harder.
This is very interesting. I couldn't really explain why I felt exhausted just launching the game after season 1, but this explains it... This is unfortunately very accurate.
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Love your content Scott,
Scott makes such a good point here, mario kart 8 is STILL getting dlc 10 years later and the booster pack is pretty much the size of a whole new mariokart, but other games the release unfinished and just update over time