SAR 38 the $500 .357 Mag - Quality or Not?
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The SAR 38 is a new import that closely mirrors the S&W 586 357 Mag revolver. The SAR 38 is about 1/2 the price though, so does the SAR 38 stack up well against the more expensive S&W offering?
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That sticky ejection would drive me nuts. But I love the idea of a safe and reliable .357 that can be picked up for under $500. Turkey has really been stepping up their manufacturing game in recent years.
Too bad they didn't do the same with their shotguns which have an extremely high failure rate.
Who cares about them sponsoring terrorism if the gun is cheap enough, right?
Maybe consider trying a newer Taurus at that price point? They've gotten much better as of late, and any customer service is now handled through their Bainbridge, Georgia plant that opened in 2019.
It is not unheard of to have to (or want to) polish the cylinder chambers of higher end revolvers, too
Check out Taurus. They work well, are lower priced, and the company stands behind their product. I use their M605. It is a .357 mag snubbed nose revolver.
The double action trigger of a revolver really helped me with my trigger pull and grip with a semi-auto. Doing dryfire drills with the trigger, keeping my dominant eye on the front sight and making sure it did not move, made drastic improvements on my accuracy at the range with my semi-auto. Highly recommend getting a revolver.
ive heard this before, get a 22lr revolver with heavy da pull and it will increase your accuracy with any handgun
As an FMF Corpsman, I had to qual with my Marines. Back then, I wasn’t familiar with semi autos and so sucked at shooting the Berretta M9. Gunny handed me a S&W .38 spl and I shot Sharpshooter first try. I have a bunch of autos, but recently picked up Taurus 856 in .38spl….really enjoy shooting it.
Revolvers really helped me with my flinch. I would load all the rounds except for one and give it a spin. You'll find you flinch real quick and learn to overcome it. A great training tool.
Revolvers also help with trigger control and finger strength. Besides flinch and anticipation, revolvers helped my pistol accuracy as well.
It’s funny how subconscious the flinch is. You’ll shout your first two mags just fine, then all of a sudden you’ve got a violent flinch seemingly out of nowhere and your accuracy tanks. Revolvers really force you to address this, particularly with the double action trigger pull. I’ve by no means defeated that habit, but my time with my revolver really helped me understand what’s happening.
…perhaps I ‘need’ a revolver then
I find mixing 4-5 snap caps in a 17 round mag works far better but your mileage may vary!
@@Kraakesolv You still have to manually cycle the slide vs just pulling the trigger again, in addition to, keep track of the snap caps. Also, if you're putting the snap caps, you kind of know the pattern. Whereas, spinning the cylinder prior to closing it makes it a bit more random.
I love Turkish handguns ! Caniks being my favorite , but Sar for the money makes excellent guns their CZ 75 clone the B6P is a budget gem highly reccomend those ! Basically a polymer CZ , good trigger reliable and van be found in the $250 -300 range
I've had good luck with Rossi revolvers and paid half of this one. I got a .357 M971 for $250¡ Great little pistol.
...IMO, getting a revolver last year was a REALLY good & fun idea, as I previously only had semi's. There are super fun drills you can do at the range with a revolver that are impossible with a semi, which makes range time more dynamic & entertaining! If you don't yet own a revolver, I strongly recommend getting at least one - for the fun of it (plus noobs like to shoot 'em too).
What drills?
@@Albrtd3 When I bring my buddies to the range, I have them elevate their heart rate by jogging to the parking lot & back to the firing line (a ~25yrd total distance). ...Then they grab the revolver & shoot as [comfortably] fast as they can at a 7ryd target.
What's fun, is that the 6 cylinders have a mix of .38 Special & .357Mag, with 1 empty casing. This is a drill to control flinch response, because I find it's my biggest weakness when I'm under stress, or rushing my shots. That empty casing really gives it away. ...No racking the slide to clear a light primer (like in a semi), it's just "Go-Go-Fun-Mode!"
@Eric Bergfield good drill buddy. I like that. You could do similar with 9mm+p+ regular and a snap cap. But good stuff
Everyone should have at least one used S&W K-frame (Model 10, Model 64) in their collection IMO. They're the perfect starter revolvers.
My grandma has two. A Smith model? And some wierd German brand that I told her please don't shoot, but she keeps it in her car anyway.
It has been years since I shot her S&W, but I do recall great accuracy at longer ranges.
I have been really considering A .357 revolver and lever gun combo because of the impressive performance of most .357.
I don't own a ton of guns, but already have the usual suspects. I may be moving out to some acreage pretty soon, from the house to the front gate is probably a little over 100yards. Yeah, my 9mm can make it that far, but I don't trust myself flinging 9mm at that range. The neighbors are sparse, but do exist.
I don't know, especially with the reappearance of black bears in the area, a .357 with a five or six inch barrel just feels like the ticket while working the property.
The S&W 586 spent casings completely clear the cylinder release for anybody wondering, SAR seems to have lowered the cylinder release on their copy.
I bought a sarsilmaz k12 sport 9 mm and I was astounded at the fit and finish and reliability of it so I’m not surprised this is every bit as nice
I’ve been a revolver guy since 1982, all S&W’s. Recently I bought a RIA AL 3.1 imported from Czech Rep. It’s been a great carry .357!
Nice review. I would suggest you circle back to check out the Taurus 627 in 357 mag. It is in the same price range as the SAR-38, but it is in stainless, has a ported barrel, is a 7 shot revolver that has excellent timing. Mine shot better than the two S&W 686’s that I’ve owned in the past. It also has a decent trigger pull.
Correct. BUT. I had internal spring failure. It common on Taurus revolvers. Sold it.
I'm just now getting into revolvers. My first revolver is a Taurus 856 .38 special with a 3" barrel. I really like it and even considering for my everyday carry. That SAR 38 seems like to be a nice addition to my collection if my gun shop has it.
I have the Taurus Defender. It is surprisingly accurate with full wadcutters.
Order it online and have it shipped to your local store
They are nice if you reload. Very easy to find your brass. :)
I have a Taurus 44 mag and it's quite nice for the money. Very accurate and nice trigger. Solid lockup.
I've got a couple Taurus model 65's one made in the late 70's and a newer production one, they shoot every bit as good as my 686 smith.
I have always had good luck with Taurus revolvers, yes I admit they weren't always top shelf. But I think they have been unfairly pigeonholed to a degree. They certainly have been very consistent over the last decade to the point that gun shops in my area can't keep some models in stock, and are on allocation.
I have only ever owned a number of Taurus tracker revolvers and only had problems with one that gets hard to rotate the cylinder after a few shots. It's an older one and aluminium
Smith would've never made something as elementary and brilliant as the Raging Hunter.
Did Taurus make an entire line of revolvers which bound up when shooting .357? Oh, wait, that was thousands upon thousands of "no dash" 586, 686, 681 wheel guns. Requiring endless recall and a whole pile of specialized armorers tools to "fix" Smith's Union hack manufacturing.
Taurus earned their terrible reputation, but they've been digging out of it rather well. The expectation is no longer that you're definitely going to have to return it.
My Taurus 605 works everytime.
This is probably the most shocking review of his I’ve ever seen. Never thought he would even think twice at a revolver, let alone a “cheap” one. But I guess there’s “cheap” and “inexpensive”. Glad to see there still making some quality revolvers out there that don’t cost as much as college tuition.
Great video MAC!
Bought an EAA Windicator back in the day for less than 300 bucks.
Still looks great and has worked fine for however many hundreds of reloads I put through it.
It is possible to get quality at a low price.
It's funny that I bought a Ruger GP100 357 mag 6in barrel for that price about 9 years ago. Now they are over a grand.
You can get them for 700 still
If you are interested in imported revolvers, there are other models:
- Alfa Proj from the czech Republic
- the high end models from German compagnies like Korth and Spohr
- in addition of the mr-73, the french Manurhin also has a more affordable model, the MR-88, close to the Security six
And i'm sure that there are other models
Not high end by any means but another solid option is the Windicator from Germany.
Weirauch - Arminius? Yes.
The RIA M200 I had was on point. It's timing was perfect there were no wheel lines or anything. Only put 1000 through it before it was sold to fund another gun. I've seen the issues people have had though
Great video, very concise and informative. Coincidently, I handled a Smith and Wesson 686 6" 357/38 in my RPAL class for the final practical test.
Great video Tim. Huge fan of revolvers. Just something about them. Especially snub nose ones.
Thanks for the great review. 👍
I have a red dot sight on my 986 pro series and I love it. LPA sights with the pick rail section built into them so you get your rail and you iron sights man are they great.
Thanks
I own a Taurus 38 special w/4" (sure of model) from the 1970s it was a gift from my dad, and it has always performed well. I carried it for several years through the 1980s to mid-1990s it was a great gun, but I did eventually trade out for S&W model 36 snubby made a better ccw because of barrel length. My sun recently bought an EEA 357/38 I think it's a windcater it seams to be a pretty decent revolver for an introductory gun to revolvers its a little on heavy side but definitely think it's a gun truck gun.
Impressed with workmanship on
The sars, being a machinist for 48yrs
look at what crazy gun prices have done. Before the cuff I got a very similar looking ruger gp100 for way less than $500.
I have several revolvers in my collection and in fact my most common EDC is a S&W 442. I gave each of my granddaughters a 3" Smith Princesses 1&2 ages 15 & 13 each got a Model 10. Then my daughter and son in law surprised me with Princess #3 currently 5 years old, I couldn't find another 3" Model 10 so she got a 3" Pro Series 357 Model 60. Their father got a 3" CS1 a 686 variant. He also got a 638 and a Sig P250 with compact and sup compact frames and slides. I have SA and conventional DA/SA revolers from Colt, Smith, Taurus, Pietta Astra, Ruger, Heritage and Interarms along with some oldies from IJ, HR and High Std. I have a slew of autos as well and my first love is God's sidearm the 1911. There are currently 17 different 1911s in the collection. But for just a lazy day at the range it's hard to beat a revolver specially a SA. They just force you to slow down and smell the gunsmoke. Love your videos please keep them coming. I'm in my 7th decade and have been accumulating guns for at least 6 of them.
It's always nice to see more wheelgun offerings in the US. These aren't bad, though I do prefer the looks and balance of a partial underlug over a full underlug, and I can't say I'm a fan of the grips or the cylinder release blocking clear ejection from the cylinder. But no internal lock is a big plus, and forged parts are nice to have! For what it's worth, I've also been pleasantly surprised with the Taurus 856 Executive model I picked up a few months ago - and that's coming from a pre-lock S&W and Ruger purist.
Here's hoping RIA imports more of the Alfa Proj revolvers they've started to bring over - they're supposed to be pretty decent quality.
I have had two taurus revolvers in .357. No issues except with the blazer aluminum shells. It’s a really fun round too, and doesn’t recoil that bad with the 6” barrel.
Good video, Tim
I actually own this revolver in 4 ''. I did a trigger job on it by shooting thousends of round through it. It's fuckin smooth!
I learned shooting revolvers with a S&W 22 lr with a far havier trigger pull, I payed a shit load of money for the Smith as a training tool for the cheap gun and I don't regret the beauty Smith neighter. Both made me a better shooter over all.
I load hot loads near to 44 mag. The revolver has such a low and mild recoil and it holds up to the abuse since many years.
If I don't have to carry a semi auto I carry this gun in a apendix holster I made for this gun and my body.
I can rapid fire it like my striker fired 9 mm, but why.
It hits steal like my 12 gauge shot gun.
I feel save with this gun and I love it.
It made me a revolver guy, it's so spot on there is no ratteling, the barrel is not moving. On long range there will be enough foot pound left with my narc loads.
I question my self if 9 mm spray in a crowded situation is really the answer to all tasks. But most of the time I am on 12+1 and 21+21 mags.
Gracias desde Sudamérica
This is a great video. Now I know what to look for before buying a cheap reolver. I like the look of a Taurus 605 4inch. I hope you can do a before you buy video on it.
Been a huge fan of the channel since it began and look forward to new content each week. Out of nowhere you reference RATM. Did we just become best friends? Love the channel and I also share your love of the Machine.
You've sold me, with your review in mind, I'd go out and try one for myself.
A .357 revolver is on my bucket list. But it's a low priority. And honestly, I'd rather go with something like a GP100.
Or 686 s&w
Cannot go wrong with the Smith's or Ruger's 357s.
The S&W 686 and the Ruger GP100 are equal in build quality in my experience. The S&W probably has a better trigger out of the box. However, the GP100 feels overbuilt (like a tank), and there are manufacturers that produce high-power loads that are denoted “Ruger Only.” I choose the GP over the Smith.
Huge fan of the Ruger GP-100s. Hard to find now but the older Security/Speed/Service - 6 revolvers were also great.
I love the large 357 frame on the 686/GP, but if I'm going Ruger, I'm getting a redhawk. Those will eat anything
Thanks for the word/ review. I am convinced. Are quick loads available? Just curious….
For this price point I highly recommend the EAA Windicator. Great truck gun/beater gun, made in Germany, haven't had any problems out of mine.
I have a SAR9 and with a few mods it’s amazing
I would spec the cylinder release and Dremel it/shave it down as needed for clearance if applicable. No way on the consistent shell stoppage. But certainly not afraid to fix it. Then I'd re-blue or paint the part after shaving it down.
The new incarnation of the Taurus 856 seems to be wildly popular. My early 2000s Taurus 85 (still made in Brazil) has been an amazing carry and range piece!
Canik Rival has taken over as my favorite, fastest and most accurate polymer hand gun
I've always been under the impression for revolvers stick with Smith and Wesson or Ruger.
Korth, Dan Wesson, Colt, Chiappa are good options too.
I went to smith and wesson after taurus really boned me on a brand new one i bought. 10 shots through it felt like there was sand in the extractor when u spun it by hand broke it dowm to give it a good cleaning. The extractor rod stripped coming apart. 10 months later numerous phone calls to them and not even being looked at they finally send me a new revolver. On top if them telling me i still have to pay to get it transfered back into my name AGAIN. So 350 dollar revolver brand new shot 10 rounds through it and it was in taurus posession for the time of owning the firearm. Like my dad told me spend the couple extra bucks and buy quality. I will never buy taurus again and anyone who asks me how i feel about them ill tell them they are junk. Period.
Yes, I agree but sometimes people can't afford a brand new S&W or Ruger.
My pa has a Rossi .38 special which is a cheaper decent made revolver
@@HoboBob Korth is an option for Elon or Warren, not for anyone watching this channel.
Thanks!
Tim, you're always a plethora of knowledge
I bought a used Ruger SP101 a few years ago at a local gun shop for $425 and I use it as my 38/357 reload mule. Warm 357’s don’t feel so good on the palm with the factory grip but the gun is solid so
The factory grip is pretty good for concealed carry, but I switched it for the Hogue it’s much more comfortable.
Bought one several years ago new and had the firing mechanism bind up and jam after three shots of .38. Had to ship the gun back to get repaired as internals got so messed up, that you couldn't cock the hammer at all. Also, for anyone looking at buying this, the manual specifically states not to dry-fire the gun. Based on my experience, you should follow that advise. I can almost guarantee the issues I had were caused by people dry-firing the gun repeatedly while it was on the shop floor.
I carry Sar 38 for over 2 years, in hunt, in town, everywhere I go,so far for that money its so good. Greetings from Bosnia
Love shooting Smith K frames. Still have a 6" M19-5
Whats the 25 yard accuracy like off sandbags? Unless its 3 inches or below I don’t want it.
That front sight is very tall too, it's almost like it is screaming to have an optic on there lol
The EAA Windicator is the best inexpensive .357 Magnum revolver. It's made on the old Sauer Revolver tooling.
My sub $500 357 is a Charter Arms Professional V. Nice American made gun. Shoots very well.
Yeah remember your old videos you did a lot reloading stuff, Time flies when you having fun
Thanks for reviewing a Revolver. I want one, but my SSDI doesn't exactly make a good revolver easy to budget for.
I really want a S&W 686 7 shot with a 3 inch barrel, but who knows if I will ever be able to spend that much. So maybe a SAR revolver might be a more budget friendly option to consider if I can't buy the Smith.
Great video, thank you! 😎👍
I still have questions. Does it take Glock moon clips? Does it fire from the hip 1880's style?
There is something so enjoyable about going out with a 38 and just shooting, emptying, reloading and repeating over and over again.
This would make a perfect farm gun or something to hang off my zero radius lawnmower / ATV in the woods in case I need a quick shooter.
I picked up a Taurus 692 9mm/38/357 revolver recently
Could you review the CA 357 professional?
What's the barrel/cylinder gap measurement? It seems there was a lot of flame coming out.
I raised myself on double-action revolvers and still love them! Did you open the sideplate? I suspect that you will find the innards bone-dry of lubrication! This is so that there is no oil leakage in the package while shipped and stored before sale. Add some clingy oil (NOT WD-40!) at contact points and be amazed at the improved slickness in the action...........................elsullo
If I wanted a revolver for carry or home defense, the ejection hang-up would be a deal breaker. If it gets in the way of cases coming out, then if you use speed-loaders, it would get in the way of reloads.
I ironically want one in 6 inch, black finish and I'd be happy.
Another sub $500 that should be considered if you want to carry a revolver is the charter arms pro V and the variations. 6 shot, 25 Oz, .357, made In usa and lifetime warranty. I did have to use my warranty on mine, and I had light hammer strikes, but a trip back for service and an extra power hammer spring and it's reliable. Did also add some loctite to some screws. But at half the cost of anything else in the same chamber, capacity and weight, it's something that should be considered if you are looking to carry a. 357 magnum on the belt concealed.
Is that a transfer bar safety or a hammer block safety? I don't see the notch in the top of the hammer for the transfer bar.
A lot of flame out of the cylinder gap, much more than I am used to with S&W.
Thought the same
I thought so, too.
I thought that was excessive as well. As part of his reliability check he should have noted any gap there.
Glad to see your videos on Rumble and uncensored.
Surprised more people don’t watch there, with CZcams being anti firearms.
SAR is good to go. I have the B6P9C which is basically a poly CZ75 compact. It's really nice for the 299 I paid for it.
And RATM needs to change their name to Rage For The Machine. I have tickets for them that they have canceled twice since 2020 and I'm not even going to go when they finally reschedule it after some of the idiocy they have pulled the last few years.
I've been really impressed with SAR semi automatic pistols and now own three of them but I can't seem to find this revolver anywhere. Is it actually on the market as yet?
I hope it can work with moon clips or other speed clips.
I would imagine the brass scratches the hell out of that cylinder release
For better ejection
use gravity and the pinkie
side heel of your hand
They don't seem to be available at the stores I frequent.
I'm considering a Ruger GP 100, but I've heard the triggers are quite heavy.
What say you?
That cylinder gap produced a LOT of fire. I wonder how it compares to S&W, Ruger, Colt, Taurus, etc.? I can remember getting hit by shavings from the shooters next to me when shooting wadcutters...they may have been suffering the same. A great reason to wear eye protection when shooting on an open line.
It could be an issue with the cylinder gap, but it could also just be the ammo. Some rounds will produce a pretty big flash out the gap and the barrel every round, but cameras won't always pick it up every time.
0:20 "have you ever been on your computer, sipping coffee looking for a $450 revolver? Yeah me neither."
Me, in my underwear sipping on coffee doing exactly that
Looks like a great beginning revolver!
Out of curiosity, what makes the carry case the firearm comes in not TSA approved, as I see that is both lockable and hard sided, which I thought were the perimeters.
This reminds me of the 6" Alfa Proj .38/.357 I read about in a gun magazine in 2012.
I own a 9.0 (9mm). Decent gun
@@nomikes4392 That's good to hear.
I’m buying one! I’ve been looking for a 44 mag for a while. 1100-1500 dollars for even a Taurus. I can’t pull the trigger on it .. thanks for the video buddy.
I am and will always be a sucker for revolvers with a full underlug. The Colt Anaconda/Python, my S&W 629 .44mag, this SAR 38, and other that design just look intrinsically bigger and more aggressive. Yeah it's extra weight, but looking good is *obviously* the most important thing
That ejection shell issue is a major issue for me. It does not happen on my Taurus model 65 or my S&W model 686.
I've been looking for that revolver for around a year now, nobody seems to have them in stock.
Great review. I own several Taurus pistols. I believe there QC is better than say the 80s and so forth. I've read that they use the actual machinery as say Beretta, on the F 92/ M9 versus the Pt 92/99... Anywho, that looks like a good revolver, the SAR....
Remember when you could find a GP100 for 375-450? 😒
Hopefully this SAR or the new Rossi revolvers will fill the gap.
First carry gun I bought at 21 was a 3" GP 100. Bought it used, but in excellent condition for @ $300 if I remember correctly. I still have it and even still carry it occasionally almost 30 years later now. Things a tank and will probably go to my kids someday.
I like the canik pistol cases, because they're universal cases and you can stick 2 handguns in the case for the range
OK, I'm intrigued, especially with the S&Ws prices these days.
If the gun is dimensionally similar to the 586 an L frame speedloader should work just fine.
Had one for years , the single action is scary good Da smooth very smooth , It is enough of a clone it takes s and w springs
What's your opinion on the Taurus Tracker 627? It's in a similar category as these SAR revolvers except it has a more experienced importing company. Minor fitment issues but they seem very functional and the triggers are better than what you described so far.
Had mine for several years, and never had any issues with it at all. Very accurate, and very enjoyable to shoot even with full power .357 Magnum loads
@@ghostwolf4354 did you ever notice the small issues with the double action smoothness on certain cylinders? Five out of the seven cylinders are smooth and easy to break but two of them require more force to break the shot and cause inaccuracy. If you know what I can do to get that addressed in regards to what part (s) I would be grateful!
I like having a side plate to frame fit so tight the joint is barely visible. I like bright blue, or at worst, brushed or bead blasted stainless finishes. I like all my empties to fall out of the cylinder when I push the ejector rod. I'll stick with the Colt, the Smiths, and the Rugers I already have, thanks. Hell, even Charter Arms and Taurus products will eject properly.
Yeah a small pic rail on top with a nice pistol scope, this would make an awesome little close range pig or deer hunting rig with some full load 357s.
I'm looking and no one has any in stock. Bummed out
Nice and I'm looking into mgc I'm saving up 3 months of payments before I start
My Taurus m66 has been great. MAC should try it out.
I have a older 6 shot 66 and love it. Smooth shooter!
I can't find these anywhere online.
The prices for revolvers are just crazy lately!
Yeah they’re ridiculous. You used to be able to pick up a Smith .38 Airweight for $300, now they’re north of $500? GTFO! Lol not even close to worth it.
I love 4+ inch revolvers, I have a 686+ deluxe that runs like a goshdang dream, a ria m200 for memes, and my first revolver was an eaa windicator
I just turned 21on Monday. Bought my first handgun Tuesday. Got a Sar 9. Love it