Too Much Tech On Bikes?
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- Too Much Tech On Bikes?
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My favorite bike of all time was my 2007 KTM 950 Super Moto R. It had NO rider aids or fuel injection. NOTHING. What a raw, massively fun bike to ride.
Which is the very point of this video. We all started with no tech and had the time of our lives. The older I get, the less tech I want. Let alone pay for. I just want to enjoy the bike for ride. I remember when you got that KTM. That was one hell of a bike.
The gov sucks the fun out of everything. Last time I was snowmobiling, I bought the sled for 300 bucks, got dropped off on the side of a mountain, and had fun all day for the price of it's tank of gas. Now the sleds are at least 10 grand. Here , before even riding one, you need licence, insurance, inspection, trail pass, and cannot deviate from routes. It's absolutely ridiculous and no longer fun. It's all $$$$ for the gov.
I have to agree. The government has their thumb on the pulse or hand in the cookie jar on everything. Honestly, I'm glad I was born in an era when the world wasn't so tight assed.
Agree. The new CVO’s are overkill, along with the basic Harley. That’s why I got a Low Rider St and a phone mount. Back to the basic’s.
Hear, hear! 👌
Additionally, my go to bike for a weekend blast is my 1984 BMW R65, no tech, has carbs, drum brake on the rear, love it.
My point exactly!
I think tech isca fine balance. Tech that leads to a safer bike and ride...i think its worth the cost. Anti lock linked brakes was the main reason i bought my first Street Glide Special. Ride safe and enjoy. ✌️👍👊
I have to agree, there's line you cross when it becomes too much tech. Iy varies for every individual.
I think people will find a way to pay for what they want... Does anyone need a smartphone versus an old flip-phone? In our consumer culture people for the most part want the latest and greatest... And they will find a way to purchase that. Me? I'm happy with second hand cars and second-hand motorcycles and even second-hand phones... But that's just me. 😂
And I would argue you're a smart cookie for your mindset. you save heaps of money that quite honestly foot the bill for your epic adventures. Great reply, Jody!
I don't get retail. Dollar stores are ALWAYS busy.... high end stores, not so much. But at the end of the day, more traffic equals more money ...so.... yay dollar stores. lol
I actually have a rant in the makings on Dollar Stores. lol I''ll see you on that one to discuss when I get to it! 😂
No new bikes in my garage mainly due to the costs of new bikes!!!
That's a fact! Ride what you have and enjoy the ride!
One of the bikes I have right now is a dr650 and bought it for this reason. Old school speedo and a carb. I put pipe on it jet the carb did the mobs I want to it. I'm not riding for all the tech I'm riding for myself. I don't need to make it harder to work on because that's half the fun is working on yourself.
The Dr650, TW200, xR650 come to mind when I think about simplicity. Joseph, you clearly get what I'm talking about here. I'm glad it provoked many replies in the comments.
Whew , so many thoughts running through my mind. I have complained for several years now about the cost of motorcycles and Scooters and the nanny stuff added to save me from myself. My 2005 Triumph Bonneville T100 had more tech than I needed but that was the way it came.
A friend of mine bought a Royal Enfield Interceptor model last year . For exactly the reasons you said. He loves it and has put some serious miles on touring .
I knew an HD store GM who told me that if any bike left the store and there was not at least $10k in addon's plus clothing , that would be the sales persons last day .
I think the new riders today expect all that safety stuff and a warm fuzzy feeling in their butt when they waddle down the road.
It appears great minds think alike! Shame on that HD GM. He is the very core of the HD problem. The older I get, the less CCs and tech I want on my bikes. Thanks for stopping by, Doug.
Haha, I think I saw the ghost of Roosevelt at the end 😂🤣👍
Yep! I think you're the only one that caught that! 🐓
Remember me telling you about my Z125 Pro, I didn't tell you about my other bike I've had 5 or 6 years a 2017
Yamaha MT03 Blue / Black
With screen, tankbag Ventura rack & 30L bike box or I can change that out to 2 bags, 1 zips to the other over the pillion seat.
It has a fuel gauge, digital gear position, anti lock brakes & a shift light that can be set.
And I would argue that the MT03 is one of the best buys on the market. You, sir, are buying just enough bike to enjoy the sport without overpaying for tech you don't need.
Tech is all well and good, but to me it’s not worth the extra expense it adds to a motorized vehicle. The old saying, “Keep it simple stupid” is how I look at it
I believe we are cut from the same cloth!
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures Now that’s a compliment!!!!
Great topic Eric! At my stage in life I'm good with some tech. I look tech in 2 categories, safety and luxury. Then its based on the depth of my pockets. I want as much safety tech I can afford and maybe some luxury. The deep my pockets the more luxury. So, yeah...a basic bike you could build from would be cool.
It's interesting to see all the replies, and many folks are opposite ends of this discussion. Great reply, Sean.
Seems to me the amazing rise of Royal Enfield is the answer to your question. The world is beating paths to RE dealerships on at least five continents. (Amazing coincidence today, Eric. I just got off the phone with my Indian dealer talking about replacing my halogen headlight with their Pathfinder adaptive LED.)
Personally, I like all of the tech. I guess that makes me the nerd biker, but it is what it is! The only issue I have is the reliability of the tech. If you're going to put it on the bike, make sure it works the way it's supposed to!
You make a valid point based on your last upload. I have mixed emotions about it.
I hate adaptive cruise control. Don't need it. I have a radio, don't use it, don't need it. GOS I do use, but I can use my phone also. All I want is a comfortable, good running, safe bike that is easy to maintain. I don't need all the tech. Nice subject, Eric 👍
More tech means more gizmos to fail. And you have to pay to repair.
@@billm.2373 if it was possible to like this one very comment 1K times i would. You sir hit the nail on the head with why i don't want tech!
My Scout is pretty much as basic as you can get. Just a speedometer with built in tach. No ABS (kind of wish it did have it though). Ive been browsing at touring bikes and while I do like some of there additional added features.
However, the extra tech kind of worries me. Potentially just means more that can break. Costly bikes and costly repairs. A sportster is now as much as a full size pick up truck. That’s crazy lol 😂
Personally, you are on the right bike at this time when you bought it. It was just enough bike to really get into the sport. Are you ready for the next big thing? Only you can decide that. This discussion is about having a broach spectrum of brands and price ranges to choose from. There's very little to choose from on the basic bike platform. Thanks for stopping by, Nick.
I’d have to say there is not too much tech. Yes some models are absolutely loaded, traction control, radar cruise control, lean sensitive abs etc and that’s fine, but yes they are expensive. But you are correct, that’s where Royal Enfield of got it so right. I don’t think RE have gone back to basic motorcycles, actually they never left that space, they make great basic motorcycles. In regards to BMW, I would love to see a 700-900cc boxer, I reckon I’d by one in a second.
You are correct. RE didn't go back to the basics, they always remained there. One can only hope BMW produces a price leader boxer.
10 years ago I bought a new Ram 1500 loaded with the 5.7 Hemi and it was $26,599. I was going to trade in 6 months ago and the same truck with a large screen radio was $55,000. 😞
That's insane. During the height of the truck boom during covid, I sold my Ram Rebel to Carmax for about 10k more than it was worth. What goes up will come down. So I have to think you'll be able to get a deal on one in the future.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures A guy at work seen a 2005 chevy truck on a dealer lot for almost 9K ... before COVID tell me when in the history of vehicles did almost 20 year old vehicles sell for over 2 or 3K?
@@theadventurousrider Agreed...
I completely agree. I visited our main motorcycle show here in the UK today. I saw very few basic bikes. I sat on the new BMW 1300GS. It had the dash and electronics live, I couldn't believe how complex the menu was. Virtually everything was adjustable.
The trouble is these bikes allow you to brake hard mid corner and not crash, wack the throttle open mid turn and not highside. I doubt newer riders will be able to safely ride an old analogue powerful bike soon.
My most hated bit of motorcycle tech is keyless..... slowly coming to all bikes.
Even good old basic Royal Enfield, their new Himalayan looks loaded with more tech including a new water cooled engine and TFT dash. No doubt it will be considerably more expensive than it's much loved basic predecessor.
How many of these high tech bikes will be able to be fixed at home or roadside??
A good topic for a vid👍
The proximity key is the bain of my existence! Sometimes, I feel like a dinosaur for my thoughts. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Eric
Omgosh I am a hand talker too!! I wonder what other people think when they see me as I ride!
Love technology but ya overkill for sure, another reason I traded my RG
but you know HD has basic models with nothing on console …… my Heritage for example. The Sportster doesn’t sell here no one wants to pay 20k for it now. No longer an entry level pricing or bike.
I seriously believe all motorcycles will be coming back basic soon enough. Keeping it simple!
And I think you made a wise choice, Gloria. There's so much tech that it somewhat erodes tje quality of mu ride fiddling with it. Yes, I'm very animated when I speak. I talk with my hands 100% of the time. 😂
My first bike as an adult was a Yamaha 1100 Silverado with no gas gauge. I hated that most of all, so at a bare min. I need a gas gauge. Also, I had a serious crash that could have been avoided with interlinked brakes (and anti lock) so I made sure me next bike had those things. The rest of the tech I can do without!
That's a very fair statement, Stan. It's been interest to see everyone's replies on this topic. Great discussion for both sides of the question.
My 2023 BMW GSA has just the right amount for ME at least and I still don’t use all of it in any ride… Now reason I also sport a 2020 Road King Special is that it’s the exact opposite and that the way to ME again, a Harley should be… Just my .02. Good stuff putting this out Eric👌👌👏👏
I think the RK has just the right amount of tech. 👌You really have a level-headed view on life. Keep on truck'n!
Outta high school I remember checking out a brand new F150, regular cab, manual transmission for just under 10k. So expensive now. Some tech is cool but when there is no option to go without, things just keep getting more and more expensive. That adaptive cruse is cool when it works. I've driven a Tesla model Y a few times down here and there were a few times that the car thought it saw something and started slowing down. This was while going 80 on a toll road. Nothing around. Not a knock on Tesla. I'm sure all vehicles with this feature do this at times. Good topic!
I'm showing my age a bit using the C10 pickup as an analogy. Clearly, you get the tone of what I'm saying. I don't use half the tech on my bikes, and it pains me to pay for it.
My father was born in 1918 and died in 2007. He reckoned in his latter years, for all the modern technology in the world, people are no better off. He said people were happier back in the day, and the misery of society was on the rise and had been since the advent of the television.
I had to relect on your father's statement for a minute. I recon he's correct. Your father sounds like a profound speaker. Thanks for watching. Eric
Definitely. I see bikes with no tech as a good entry level bike. It's the perfect way to get new riders interested in the hobby.
To be honest, new riders can't afford these new bikes. If I'm 20 and in college and I have to make a decision between getting to classes on time regardless of the weather, I'm going with a car, for the simple reason, I can't afford both.
Buying a new bike today is the same as buying a new car.
It sure seems like the pricing is up there with cars. I hope other manufactures go back to their roots.
Great topic amigo ! Yes, for every gizmo they add the final price increases exponentially. Few weeks ago while moto traveling we stopped at a view point and other riders stopped by to chit chat. One guy had a new CVO (stunning) but when he said he paid CA 70,000 (approx USD 52,000) I was shocked. No disrespect but there isn’t enough “meat” to justify that price tag. (Heck you can buy a nice SUV for the same amount) That’s why I love Royal Enfield but also the Kawasaki KLR 650 (no frills and truly bulletproof)
LOL no kidding the new CVO’s are crazy and they took away the tour pak, now you have to pay for it!
Let’s not forget tho, HD retains its value no loss for the folks when they sell or trade!!
That's insane. They're squashing out the middle class working person. It's becoming an elitist brand....
I hate radar cruise. I don’t use all the tech on my bike I use my phone. Still have incandescent bulbs because you can get those at every gas station if one hose out
You make a strong argument, Jason. I still have my incandescent bulbs on my Harley too for the same reason. Thanks for stopping by brother.
Yes would love to see a Honda 750 no thrills I love the one I had great video my friend thanks for sharing it with us ride safe and keep the rubber side down
I would love to see one too, Ray. I really think mfgrs would have a hit to have a price leader.
I love me some tech!!! Can’t get enough of it. :)
For some reason I kind of knew this about you! 😂
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures 😂
R18 $23,000? Base model $15,000, bags+windshield $18,000, Bagger $20,000, dresser $24,000. Unlike HD, those prices are negotiable. Sure, you basically can't get a BMW without the "tech package" on a showroom floor (you can order one), but lots of folks are on R18s for around 13k, baggers for less than 20k, TCs for less than 21k.
HD and maybe Ducati are the only mainstream brands adding dollars onto an MSRP for "lifestyle", but at least Ducati isn't 10 years behind everyone on tech as well.
Yes they offer a base model now. When I bought my 2021, the base wasn't available in the US. So mine listed for 23k. I paid quite a bit less for it. I'm glad to see BMW offering a base model.
I would love it other companies would follow Royal Enfield by producing bikes with less tech, and less price!!
I hope they take note and trend towards affordability.
The problem with tech is how quick it dates. Look at the early touchscreens on the touring range of Harleys. Same goes for rider modes.
This is something I should have mentioned. So many infotainment systems get outdated in just a few years. I couldn't agree more.
What an interesting conversation. You are absolutely correct the Royal Enfield are smashing the sales at the moment for that reason, ride out the door costs. It will be very interesting to see if any of the other big player follow suit. Great video Eric 😎👍🏼
I'm just an old fart blowing off some dust of off topics. Thanks for stopping by, BB!
As a Royal Enfield Himalayan owner I am squarely in the less tech camp. And it's joined by my 2001 Kawasaki W650, 2004 Vespa ET4, and 2006 Vespa GTS 250. The RE has ABS and fuel injection but not much more. The GTS is fuel injected but no other tech. The other two have carbs and no tech. And that's the simplicity I want. No CARDO in the helmet, no phone on the bars, just the sound of riding and my thoughts on a simple machine.
But I think the manufacturers chase the market now which seems to crave more tech, more power, more gizmos, gadgets, and amenities. And so the price soars.
Itchy Boots is riding a prototype of the new Himalayan 450 and it appears Royal Enfield is reacting to the criticism of the bike not having enough power. Her feelings were that it had twice the power of her original Himalayan. Time will tell if they stray from the economics of their line.
Myself, I think cost of ownership of motorcycles is less of a problem than the widening perception among the non-riding public that motorcycles are death machines. That will make it difficult to expand the potential pool of new riders.
Anyway, a thought provoking video Eric. I enjoyed it!
It's been fascinating to read everyone's replies. There's strong argument for both sides of the discussion. I can see a need for a boned out bike and the high tech. The inexpensive bikes are almost non-existent now a days.
I definitely bought a bike without any bells and whistles. It only has a fuel gauge. I didn’t buy new because I can’t justify spending that much money on a new motorbike. A new rocket three here is about $35,000. It has gone stupid.
That is a crazy amount of money for a new R3. Just keep doing what you're doing. You're saving wheel-barrels full of money!
I’ve never liked tech in cars or bikes. I like the simple things of life. I bought a 200 series Landcruiser because I like the simple things, I bought and Indian Chief without tech because I like the simple things. It’s also less likely to break down because tech is stoopid!
I would give my eye teeth to have a 200 series Landcruiser here in the states. I too prefect the KISS method of life. Keep it simple stupid. Thanks for stopping by, King OO!
I don’t think the big bike manufacturers are ever going to get back to basics. They can add all this tech cheap and charge out the ass for it. Personally I like tech but it is getting ridiculous now
Sadly, I have to agree with your statement. When the showrooms overflow and sales comet o a hault, they'll figure something out.
Watching this on the big screen. No I need it all I’m a tech guy! Give me all of it!!!! But, I love the Royal Enfield’s. Heck of a bike for the money.
This is why I love these sort of topics. It's interesting to read arguments on both sides of the discussion. I hope you're in MB at the Jeep event!
All too often people don’t want to change vehicles and thus change creature comforts. Your main mode of transportation has 15 options such as adaptive cruise control, multiple airbags, backup cameras, etc with government mandated items making up many of the things that you have become accustomed to.
Our generation will take a basic bike but if we have creature comforts available, we will really like those same comforts on our bikes. Most bikes are toys not your family truckster
The $100K pickup generally is marketed not to millennials. They would buy more “green”.
The tech is added often because we ask, does that have adaptive cruise control?
Tech is a love/hate relationship for me. Most of it I never use. I don't want audio, texts, answering calls riding down the road. I ride to get away from the electronic leash called a smartphone. I agree with millennials trending towards "green". I guess the point of this video is, are we pricing riders out of the market because of the high cost of tech? It certainly was the case when I chatted about ABS and airbags adding 25% to the cost of a new truck.
Wife gave me the o.k to trade in my TriGlide for the new RoadGlide3 and after the dealership added on all their destination charges, assembled, Tax, tag and title it came to $44,000.
Told them NO THANK YOU. 😮
So now the wife gave me the o.k to get a set of the RoadGlide3 wheels for my TriGlide 😃👍
That's insane! Good on you for walking away. You're not gaining much of an upgrade for the cost of admission. On a side note, I look at the RG3 rear fenders, and they look like the rider would get sprayed with slag on a rainy day.
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There is a guy on CZcams that was showing his RoadGlide3 and he added wrap around fenders on back and it looked good 😎👍
A gas gauge is high tech??? But I think you're right, motorcycles have become too "car like" with the amount of tech included. At some point it becomes a distraction, besides adding to the cost.
No, a gas gauge isn't high tech. To me, they're a bit useless and their accuracy is atrocious. Light come on the dash with a third of the tank left, etc. The fuel sloshing round in the gas tank is very difficult to get an accurate reading on. I have to agree with 100% of what you stated. Thanks for commenting, sir. Eric
I love my tech on bikes but I agree about the cost. Most manufactures replaced the UJM's with the ADV style bikes. I was 18 when I bought my 1st New bike. Honda Hawk GT 650. Great bike at 4k. Not many options now aways. If I was 18 now, I guess I probably wouldnt be able to consder a new bike. Great topic.
You fully get what my point of contention is on this video. This isn't a rant. Just things that make you go hmmmm?
I've been blessed to enjoy the best of both worlds, hi-tech and low-tech. The hi-tech Spyder, I will love and ride until the day arrives where I can no longer ride anything, and yet the Spyder is still a decent deal Vs most of the big boy touring machines, it's not cheap, but in today's market, it's not outrageous. And then getting a bike that brings me back to where I started, the Royal Enfield nailed it, at a price tag that would make most entry level riders smile. Great topic Eric, generating excellent and interesting commenatary 😁👍👌
You do have the best of both worlds. I just feel most of the manufacturers have upped the anti so much that the average person can't afford them. It's a debatable topic where no one is wrong.
I really like Tech, having said that, the more Tech the bike has, the more things that can go wrong. Yes, Tech does make bike dearer to purchase and also to repair when things go wrong. (I've been there) Now I reduced Tech by buying my Royal Enfield. Back to basics, that's what it's about and I'm happy as the proverbial pig in.... I believe ABS is the basic safety tech needed. Fuel gauge is useful. Ride well. Cheers
I too like tech to a point. Then it tips over the fence and I start to push back on it. At some point, I just need to enjoy the ride and not be fiddling with tech. I'm glad to hear your RE is sparking the desire to ride. Good stuff, Moz!
Omg sportsters are 15k now. It’s so crazy about prices on everything. There’s got to be a breaking point when everyone stops buying. And I’d love to have a basic bike. I got a newer gsxr600 if it has all the stuff on it I don’t use any of it.
It's really getting out of hand. I hope the mfgs wake up in the near future. I fear tough times are ahead.
100% this. I've made comments to Can Am about there prices creeping up. they responded by still blaming Covid and supply chains. Things are just getting overally complicated for no reason with all cars and bikes.
It's crazy how expensive everything in the sport has gotten. Yet, here we are still doing what we do.
I just want a plain cruiser with a big engine, but it seems that combo isnt available.
If you order a base BMW R18, it should be around 15k. I don't know if that's the price range you're looking for? There sure isn't many out there to choose from.
Yep, cheap, simple bikes - it's a road map to profit! Everyone else just keeps on adding and adding. How many times have we heard that Company X had a lackluster 20XX reveal? Just paint and options? It's a double-edged sword. If you set the bar higher each year, you set the bar higher and have to overcome that the next year. If you don't do much, you get lambasted for it on social media.
It's not about out doing last years high-tech bike. It's about providing the bike that meets the needs of the general populous. Just my .02 cents.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures I agree - the general populous needs a well-handling, decently-powered bike with ABS and maybe TC. GPS and the rest can be added to a higher-end trim level.
I think thing's are getting to complicated on bike's. I ride a harley with only a speedometer on it grated it has a small lcd screen that tells me my miles and trip odometer. I have no gas gage or a infotainment system.
And you are a wise person, in my opinion, for your choices. Why pay for tech you're not going to use? Thank you, Dominic, for sharing your thoughts and experience.
I don't know if I'd fully blame tech, honestly most tech is very cheap not just LED's to produce, the value is stacked on due to our perception. Even basic bikes are priced a little more than a little too high right now. Prime example, a Harley Livewire costs thousands more than a Livewire one, it's the exact...same...bike. Only difference aside from the Live Wire one being a year newer is the harley logo. You're not buying the tech, you're buying the brand name and the optics or the brand, the engine size, the options you have and so on.
That's a fair statement. Yes, tech is cheap later on down the road. When it first debuts, it's terribly expensive till they streamline and outsource production. Tech also gets outdated quickly. Take a look at the infotainment on a bagger from say 10 years ago.
Bikes have way too much tech these days. I like to actually ride my motorcycle. I don't need or want any of the tech. My bike has TC and abs and I leave both turned off. The manufacturers are going to price the blue collar workers out of owning and enjoy the motorcycle hobby.
I have to agree with you. I believe we are there now. The love of riding should map out what to build for a bike. Not one upmanship from the previous year. Great comment.
Great video and perspective Eric, its hard to utilize the tech and enjoy the ride at the same time.
It is hard and distracting for me to use the tech while riding. So, I just don't mess with it when riding. You make a valid point, Mike.
I agree. Some things are good but do you really need a windshield sensor for auto wipers etc.
and on motorcycles, does once really need a throttle position sensor !??
Currently it’s pricing me out of the market.
Good topic Eric.
I have most likely bought my last HD as a result. They're getting way too expensive. That said, folks are still buying them.
Low-tech for me .Great topic Eric.
I'm kind of with you on this one.
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How do you do it all.? You make excellent videos, you answer all your comments (which you get a lot of)
Plus you find the time to watch others silly videos too (THANK YOU)
I am watching a few of your videos right now, mostly to show you I appreciate your support.!
You don't need to watch my stuff. Most of it is boring and mundane. Just keep working on your content.
I wanted to make an EXCEPTION & Show You (not just tell you) how much your thoughtful Comments mean to me Mr. Kraken.! I'm going watch another videos of yours. Plus you are in Jody's (Po3) Circle & She is a Lady Rider that I whole-heartedly support.! ❤
Yes and no. Certain types of bikes definitely are. That being said. Hinda still builds the XR650L with no tech and a price tag of 6999.00. Their CBR1000RR is also very basic and is around 16,000.00. Double that for the triple R with all the tech. But it seems like Honda gets it and is trying to appease everyone.
That's a fair statement. I was pianting with a wide brush on this topic. Truth be told, I don't use have the tech on my bikes in the garage.
I’m not one bit into tech on bikes
I'm kind of somewhere in the middle. It's been interest to read, as everyone is passionate about this topic one side or the other.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures everyone falls somewhere or other on this topic, I think having ridden most 90’s sportsbikes in the 90’s I’m still coming to terms with a petrol gauge 😂
To me a lot this tech won't age well. It'll make future classics kind of like my 1999 Mercedes that had cell phone connectivity.... that isn't compatible with anything anymore. At some point apps will get abandoned and bluetooth will become obsolete. Future classics from today will end up being a bit daft.
You are 100% correct. Tech never ages well, ever... I wish the mfgs would tone it way down, and hopefully the prices would drop accordingly.
1:only gays and girls ride 4 strokes...which one are you.
2.kickstart & kill switch is all the tech a bike needs and the kill switch is an option.
Fair enough. Thanks for stopping by.
They're sure not helping me.
Mine currently has no ABS, fuel injection, or fuel gauge. Wifi? Lol.
If I could buy an old one, new today, I probably would.
I have to agree, Kevin. I just don't use the tech, and it pains me to pay for it.
We definitely have too much tech on these bikes.
I have to agree, Nore. And I'm tired of paying for tech I don't really use.
There's a market for those direct simple bikes - RE is proving that I reckon - but I imagine it reduces the amount of profit that can be baked-in to the price. But if the market is willing to pay it... well it's a fair game. Myself though, I've never paid more than $8,000 for a motorcycle and I've enjoyed terrific machines and done great adventures on them. I'm sweating on my next purchase because the bike I have in mind is going to be around the $18,000 mark..!
I once heard a driving instructor say that instead of building in all these expensive safety systems into cars, they should just put a big pointy spike on the steering wheel facing the driver - then everyone would drive much more carefully and it would have the same results in terms of safety. A bit of a silly idea but it does make an interesting point (hello pun).
Great subject and discussion as always Eric.
Here's the thing, if your only choice is a tech loaded bike, then that's what will sell. I think bike mfgs need to odder boned out variants to the average rider. Price leaders is the term I'm looking for.
@@KrakensGarageandAdventures You're right. I can only hope HD for example see the popularity of RE and work to encompass the idea. I can think of a couple companies that do price leaders - even loss leaders - in other industries, hope we see it come to fruition.
Heck ya man keep it simple. Bare bones all day long for me. Great topic to put out there. Interesting opinions in the comments.
The replies have been fascinating. As many folks propose arguments of both sides of the discussion. Thank you for always supporting my channel.
I think they put the tech on all the bikes, in an attempt to spread the development cost across more units. I don't like it, I think most of tech looks like garbage after 5 years, and it makes used bikes more of a headache because you have all this tech that could start going bad. I like simple, I think as you noted, RE and what they are doing, the success of the Tenere700 , the fact the KLR and DR650 sold in big numbers with zero changes for 25 years. Plenty of market wants a simple, affordable motorcycle. I think though there is a big group of buyers that buys them as status symbols, and for them, they want all the latest and greatest tech, and since those purchases probably drive a lot of the profits, they cater the market to them, and it hurts the rest of us. Don't even get me started on influencers and marketing of the "need" for all this stuff.
Wow dewey sounds like we both are thinking the exact same thoughts and opinions.
I have to agree with 100% of what you stated, Dewey. I hope the pendulum swings back the other direction sooner or later.
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Wow you opening a can of worms on this one. LOL YES ... i might have said that took quickly especially after only20 secs in... did i say yes... LOL In all seriousness i agree with the whole video. The problem is there is just enough bikes selling the manufactures are going to continue to raise the prices of bikes but it's a domino effect. The cost of building the tech stuff like Bluetooth and onboard navigation goes up so when they add those to a already continue to go up cost to actually build a bike it just increases. Reason I'm sticking with older stuff that yea I may end up put in more money in over a 30 years timeframe for repairs and fixing things but dang I'm not spending 30K for a motorcycle or like you said 100K for a truck every 5-10 years. The problem we have is manufactures stop producing repairable parts so they in a sense are almost forcing us to get something newer because "Oh we don't sell that computer(tech integrated into the vehicle) for that truck anymore and after a while they become so slim in junkyards your paying a fortune. And your comment about ABS made a me laugh and i agree ABS is a great thing but once again..... the government helping raise the price by sticking their nose into something because oh we know better than you because we are the government and so manufactures have to raise the cost on the bikes to pay for mechanic engineer bob to design said ABS system which adds again to the cost ...................... OK let me stop .. did I say YES... Anyways I'm sticking to the old school stuff as much as possible because I don't need all the tech crap as it's more stuff to break.
I believe you got the jist of what I was talking about. Lol Something I didn't even touch upon was that tech getting antiquated quickly. In as little as 5 years, music may trend from caused to cd. Just an example. You're a smart man and saving truck loads of money on your moto journey!
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