Vi BETRAYS Jinx to the Council (EXPLAINED) | 1min Analysis
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Vi rats out Jinx to Jayce and the council seemingly out of nowhere! Why would she betray her sister like this? Vi does this because she thinks she has to. It’s part of the code she operates by as a citizen of the undercity: you need to offer something valuable to get something valuable. She expresses this to Caitlyn in the brothel scene, and she assumes Piltover’s council will comply with her once she gives them something they want: a name. This much is worth it to get their help in taking down Silco, and that will be it for her: once Silco’s out of the picture, she’ll have Powder back, and she won’t work with Piltover any further. But that’s not how the council meeting ends up going down…
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Right on the money! This has been confirmed by Amanda Overton, who says that after the bridge scene, seeing Silco walk off with Jinx after what she did, Vi’s now on a one-track mind to hunt down and take out Silco to save her sister, because she realizes she’s not gonna get through to Powder while he’s around, the monster she believes created Jinx and she’ll take whatever road she needs to in order to bring Silco down.
but Powder's the one that created Jinx
@@amsigi5125 technically speaking Vi was. Powder had the seeds in her personality and young age that led to it. I just hope she can come back to the light a bit.
Powder always had the seeds for that personality. Vi watered the seeds with the rejection she gave. Silco just kept watering and nurturing what Vi already helped grow. The roots to Jinx is Vi.
@@darklightmagus1222 no, Mylo
@@amsigi5125 Mylo kept attacking Powder's insecurities. Vi was keeping Powder in check by defending her. The moment Vi turned on Powder using Milo's logic, that set everything off and Powder started breaking unveiling Jinx.
Another possible factor in her failure is Vi being used to one-to-one negotiations rather than one-to-multiple, hence her going to Jayce afterwards.
Interesting point! She is good at one on one negotiations.
Little did she know that Jayce actually never haggle lol. Not with Ekko and not with Silco
No, she understood that the council was useless to her purpose, so instead kept safe cait by leaving her and gone to convince the only one whou could have acted and had the resources to do it: Jayce.
Too many people think that Vi is dumb, but you don't survive8-9 years in a hell like Stillwater if you don't use your brain.
@@darthcygnus7692 lets just acknowledge that cait was not safe lol
@@armas2k193 safer than she was with Vi
I figured she was trying disassociate her sister from her street name, that's why she was only giving her a name. I didn't realize she was asking for a favor by giving them a name. Give a little get a little? But, I think there can be a deeper read. The council never hesitated to use violence on Zaun when Vander ran the underground, but when the more violent Silco runs it, and when his is poisoning and exploiting it (as bad as top-side in her probable opinion) then they hesitate ? then they negotiate? The council negotiating with Silco is an insult layer cake to Vi.
They hesitated with Silco because he had Shimmers which could cause a lot more casualty to them compared to Vander
@Tran Thai Binh well yeah that's the point. Piltover is only willing to negotiate when they can't just run over their opposition.
@@namastereciprocity4549 and that's a hard pill to swallow in a way. That Silco was right.
Only by being ready to do anything you can get the power you need to make them fear and respect you.
@@lukeskywalker82 If Jayce didn't clutch discover Hextech, or if Viktor didn't save Jayce anheroing himself, then yea eventually Zaun with Chemtech could turn the tide + win.
Piltover just seriously lucked out.
@@tyranidswarmlord9722 That would be right, but after Jinx stole the gem the power game between Piltover and Zaun became level again.
I just thought that Vi thought Jinx and Ekko got killed in the explosion, she would have been too far to see that Silco took Jinx and that's why Caitlyn said that it wasn't her fault a why she didn't go looking for Powder/ Jinx after her and Jayce split ways, but... this makes a lit more sense and it enforces her values and beliefs
I kinda think Vi saw silco and Jinx... I know what you mean with her being too far away. But I feel like the scene where she looked straight meant something... I think she either saw they are there alive or she remembered that she "ran away" as she did when they were child's because of her having one eye covered by the gate maybe symbolising silco? I don't know but I feel like it meant something.
@@Lusor_Caterpillar that could also be, I also feel that she did want to run back and check on Jinx that's why she told Caitlyn that she would be right back but then the place was sworming with enforcers so she looked instead and I agree with the memory thing and feeling like leaving her behind again, the expression on her face pulls at me
I love this take! It makes a lot of sense. I also wonder if she has the idea in her head that as soon as Silco is gone, then Jinx will be 100% gone too. So, the girl that Vi will reunite with won't be Jinx but will be Powder, and she didn't give up POWDER'S name to the council. So perhaps using Jinx's name was her way of ensuring that Powder was safe.
Ohhh I like this. Giving up Jinx's name isn't really a betrayal in her mind because her sister is POWDER not Jinx
also, she only gave up a name, she didn't give up any other information, she didn't even say it was here sister. all she said was "her name is jinx"
This actually makes sense, but Powder is Jinx now (appearance as well) so, even if her plan worked out, they would hunt her down until they had her head on a spike. Also, when Jinx embraced fully her identity, Vi looks broken. Because she knew that Powder existed just inside her head.
This was kind of obvious to me but apparently a lot of people thought Vi really betrayed jinx so I'm glad this video exists
How can people think that, it goes against Vi's character
@@dodger-sinnsilver2169 Because they don’t understand Vi’s character.
Vi betrayed Jinx. You can argue about Vi's intentions, but Vi *really* betrayed Jinx.
@@exu7325 no she didn't, everything she does is to look out for her sister
@@exu7325 Jinx betrayed Vi in the entire series and Vi has no obligation not to give one simple name.
Fuck Jinx. Hope Vi actually punches her in season 2 and I want Vi to mean it.
remember what vi told jinx in the last episode "powder listen we.. we can just go we w'll leave and never come back" and jinx says "where would we go?" thats the plan that vi was saving for her when piltover gets a hold of her, thankyou very much for this analysis video
The way I see it, she doesn't betray her sister, in her mind. To Vi, she is Powder, not Jinx.
dumb logic since powder and jinx are physically the same person she should know they would want her head for the attacks.
I thought so, too, but if she really thinks so, then she has even bigger problems with her head than Jinx. After all, it is one person, with one body and mind.
After the ending, I'm pretty sure Vi will just refer to Jinx as Jinx.
@@MegaAwesomethings Yours is dumb logic: Powder is a real person while Jinx is only a namae that can be given to literally anyone because the council don't know anything about her.
@@darthcygnus7692 was jinx really unknown tho? Didn't Caitlyn recognize her when she met up with vi? Though it is plausible that vi really did use that logic but it is, quiet dumb on it's own.
Piltover is made up of people that are two faced liars but Zaun is people that stay true to their word and that is how Vi was raised, she went to Piltover to get help and to her the deal was just give the name of her sister and then Piltover would have to stop Silco. also Vi having met Caitlyn and knowing her as a truthful and trusting person might have given her a false sense of how the council was going to act.
this is just something I find also explains why Vi gave up Her sisters name
Doesn't seem at all the Zaunites are any less treacherous than the others. Haven't you notice what silco is doing with the drugs and all the betrayal in the high seats of Zaun
Caitlyn seemed shocked at the behavior or her fellow people herself, she knows that they are always wearing masks but she didn't realize how bad it was
When i saw that scene i was like "bitch you wanna repeat the war that killed your Parents?"
@@mitab1 firstly she isn't a bitch and secondly, Vi's way of dealing with problems is to punch them and secondly again if you look how she deals with is she goes after the shimmer. So all you Vi haters that don't understand the character need to find something else to focus on cause you can't see much further
@@dodger-sinnsilver2169 i don't hate her but she still a bitch and going to the council to start a war would've destroyed the underground she should've knowen better, and j knows that the up side would win but it would cost soo many lifes, also do you really think silco doesn't have a ton of shimmer for stuff like this, again i don't hate her just sayin, everying in the show was her Fault
I only half agree with your assessment:
Her goal is to get Silco out of the picture to maybe have a shot at getting Powder back.
What I don't agree with is your read of the council:
They do do something about Silco; they agree to try some sort of diplomatic approach (which leads to the peace treaty/Zaun's independence). This *is* a solution to the Silco problem, it just isn't the one Vi wants.
I think the scene has less to do with Vi's view of bargaining and more to do with her character growth; she's trusting the upper city to do something (largely due to Cait) but this is stepping outside of her comfort zone for her. It goes poorly which results in her defaulting back to her "safe" behaviour: mistrust everything about the upper city (including Cait, in this moment).
The council chooses to make peace and save their own ass when Vi went there for help for everyone and that includes the undercity, what she probably saw is that, that they will protect their own and separate themselves from the people of the undercity, not caring what happens to them
@@dodger-sinnsilver2169 oil & water~
@@dodger-sinnsilver2169 lol a war isn't going to save anyone in the undercity. I hate the council, but they're actually right here.
@@exu7325 there doesn't need to be a war, if you look when Vi went to Jayce she chose to take out his supply of shimmer and let his own people deal with him. All she wants is Silco out of the picture
@@dodger-sinnsilver2169 is that what Jinx wants
To the best of my memory, this is the only time in the show when Vi explicitly addresses Jinx by her real name too. Every other time she avoids it with "my sister" or deadnaming her. So some of that definitely feels like she's trying to kill what she sees as the persona Silco fostered, but IMO it also shows that Vi's still in denial.
In denial as in by calling her "Jinx" it doesn't feel like she's betraying "Powder"?
@@schnee1 By this point in the show Ekko has already told Vi that there's nothing left of the innocent little girl Vi remembers. This is something he's far more equipped to assess than Vi, but she's being her usual stubborn self and refusing to believe it.
Vi is very dogmatic about people not changing. She doesn't believe she herself can change. She won't accept that her sister has changed. She has trouble believing that Caitlyn can change enough to be ready for Vi's world. She doesn't even consider that the situation with Silco's goons is more nuanced than her distorted fifteen year old recollection of them, which is part of why she has no compunction about mercilessly beating up people like Sevika unprovoked.
I don't know if that's because Vi projects her own stubbornness onto them, or because she's unwilling to update her mental model on them, or something else. But I think it's clear she's not good at letting things go.
The more i think about it, the more i realise Vi never actually considered, untill the end, that Jinx, in the time they were separated, could ever have grown in something different from what she knew as a child. The whole "Powder", "what did YOU do to her", "wake up"... It looked cute and sweet, but it's quite concerning in the big picture. In this, Jinx is right. People change, Vi just does not factor this at all, with anyone. Exept with Ekko, but Ekko has to beat her ass unconscious to convince her he is not "little man" anymore.
well, Ekko didnt work for Silco, Jinx did. And Ekko understood Vi. Jinx was influenced by Savika and Silco and couldnt think straight when she saw Vi with anyone that could be her enemy
I agree, if she actually wanted to give her sister up she would've given them Powder's name. Because Jinx and Powder at this moment in time are still irreconcilable to Vi. She thinks her sister is really just Powder, while Jinx is all of the awful things Silco put in her head and that she could leave that behind once he is gone.
And it's insanely naive... but yeah, maybe she really thought that Jinx would disappear at the snap of her fingers and Powder would show up. In the end, that's what I think the scene in the finale hints at, when Vi yells for Jinx to remember, regardless of the fact that her sister has asked her to stay and that she's frankly sick of what's happening, Vi keeps yelling. But her head doesn't work like that :/
I just thought its an act of admission. She feels responsible for Jinx, so guilt + big sister syndrom make her tell the truth plainly, as she doesnt consider Jinx getting on the chopping block, but herself. This is her own fault and she stands to it
i hear this theory too
I don't necessarily agree with this. There are more things to consider:
1)Caitlyn and Vi advocated for Silco's arrest to the council. That's nice but where do we go from here? Legal actions against him would immediately get Jinx in trouble. Aside from the fact that they would investigate him and his entire business they would go after people that *worked* for him.
2) A crucial scene that I don't see many people bring up is his confrontation with Vi in episode 6: "I thought you were the prize of your secondhand family. But Jinx, oh she is more than I ever imagined".
For Vi, Silco wouldn't hesitate giving up Jinx anyways given the fact that, as far as she knows, he is using her and sees her as a prize.
3)Another thing that is worth noting is the fact that in Episode 9, Vi told Jinx that they can leave and never come back. To me it seems that that was Vi's solution to the situation. That's why she told Caitlyn to forget her in the "oil and water" scene. Not only is Jinx a terrorist that put a target on her own back with her attacks against Piltover, she would also suffer the consequences of the fall of Silco's empire. The only logical solution is for both of them to leave the city.
So in Vi's mind, it didn't matter whether she gave up the name or not. She needed Silco to be eliminated immediately since he was a threat to the Undercity, to Ekko and his people and Powder's wellbeing. So she did everything in her power to stop him.
I agree, Vi said the name "Jinx" because she was already planning an escape with her sister.
Jinx would have been turned in anyway, and everything would have been revealed, she would obviously have been hunted.
You have a lot of great breakdowns of these scenes and shows. This is the kinds of conversations I enjoy having with people.
Vi is so pretty!!! Her EYES!
I felt it was a call back to Ekko and Vi talking at the beginning episode 7 when Ekko said her sister is dead and Jinx wants to work for Silco.
There is as well the aspect that Jinx name will be on the table as if Vi hadn't spoken up she expected Caitlyn to tell them.
Which is presented in that small interaction where Vi grabs Caitlyn briefly and steps ahead.
Giving the information herself presented the option to get something in return.
Not sure I necessarily agree with this. Framing this as the Council "scamming" Vi paints her as far more naive than she has any right to be. At no point did Vi make even the slightest implication with the Council that her help or information was contingent on any sort of immunity for her sister, so why would they offer it when all they know is that Jinx is responsible for the deaths of a dozen or more enforcers across multiple attacks? For someone who should've been streetwise, why would she make that assumption of the Council? Why would she offer up her leverage without even making faintest foundation of a deal first?
From Vi's perspective, she sees Silco as the primary problem. Everything her sister has done is due to Silco in her mind, and therefor Silco is the one who will be held responsible. She wants the Council to go after Silco because she thinks once Silco is dead or imprisoned then she'll be free to have her sister back. From the Council's perspective though, they see Jinx as being primarily responsible due to her direct role in the bombings, and they don't even necessarily believe that Silco is the one really behind it all nor would they be willing to ignore Jinx's involvement even if they did. THAT'S why Vi got so mad at the Council, because she went there thinking that they would help her take down the person "poisoning" her sister, and instead the Council is talking about negotiating with Silco; something that will not remove his influence from Powder.
It's not that the Council "takes and doesn't give anything back" or "betrays" Vi. They just never had the same goals to begin with, and Vi was so myopically focused on Silco that she didn't stop to consider what giving up her sister to the Council might mean.
She has been locked away since young. I dare say the rules in the prison somewhat mirrored the undercity. She is naive in a lot of ways. She even acknowledges this to a degree to ekko when she says "I'm beginning to see that". Because in a lot of ways she hasn't changed, hasn't developed past that night.
I'm not going to say you're wrong. But I would say if Vi was a real person she would tell you that you were wrong.
Your critique is on point but real people can have blindspots in planning what they INTEND to do.
This is the correct take. She simply pursues her vendetta against Silco at any cost, even her own sister. She didn't even bat an eyelid before suggesting the council to wage war on the undercity.
@@mutantmagnet While people have blindspots, they generally don't forget to protect the ones they truly love. More often than not, plea deals or agreements are made specifically to protect certain people.
Whether they are upheld is a different story, but thats neither here nor there.
Vi was so blinded by revenge she offered up her sister with out a second thought. Her love of powder is extremely conditional, and not the most important thing to her. Revenge against Silco takes priority.
@@HauntingSpectre At this point it is too early to call Vi's love of Jinx as being conditional. If you did it would also mean you have to consider Jinx's love of Vi being conditional and I doubt you think that.
Heck as this video points out Vi has at least once oncreen defended Jinx in front of Caitlyn and I can point to a second time when this happens (the firelight fight). Vi is very much in that frame of my mind of saving Jinx from everyone throughout the story (including herself)
Vi made a dumbass move when she offered Jinx's name without bartering but that doesn't mean she is blinded by revenge.
Jinx or “Powder” as Vi knows her is severely psychologically damaged and Powder is never going to come back. That would be too much turmoil but you can heal Jinx. Only Silco saw that and calls her perfect because he knows she constantly has voices telling her she’s broken, insane, stupid, etc. I’ll bet that Vi would keep living the delusion that she can bring back Powder and destroy Jinx, instead of realizing that Jinx is the new Powder and deserves to be loved just as much.
The way I saw it was that Vi views Jinx as a separate enough person from Powder that she would just give up the name and become Powder again if they got rid of Slico, but I like this explanation too
You know what’s funny, I didn’t care about Mel, but at the second viewing I realize just how manipulative she is and how much of the problem the council is despite of their decencies. This is well done because usually the writers will just scream “these guys are bad!” But arcane goes more in depth with their characters
Manipulative as she is, she's still one of the only councillors who actually wants to do some good, the others don't seem to care so long as they make a profit overall
powder was never brain washed last time i checked her sister basically handed powder to him lmao
she got to keep the gauntlets at least lmaoo
Yeah but she also is feeding into her own modern complex. She thinks she’ll be able to perfectly control and manipulate the situation. She refuses to believe that there’s any other option or acknowledge the possibility that her sister will just see this as yet another betrayal. In her mind what she does is always right, and that blindness is why she fails again and again and again
“They broke the only set of rules she knows” super powerful analysis!
she gonna pull a : this isn't jinx, this is my sister powder, don't know where that Jinx went :D
This analisis was great! I never really understood why Vi gave Jinx's name and why she gets so pissed with the council, but what you said makes perfect sense
Wouldn’t Vi consider this a betrayal after Jinx basically said they were no longer sisters. As Jinx is tired from all of Vi’s empty talk.
what do you mean my guy? what empty talk?
@@danutghidia5820 like I’ll never leave you again and it does not matter if your shooting at me but then we get bridge scene, I accept that you changed in order to survive, but not at all as she only wants powder treats Jinx as split personality. From Jinx perspective her sister is all talk as she see’s no actions that back up what she says
The bridge scene happened after Ekko tells her that Jinx works for Silco because she wants to. We get Vi wanting to go back after her sister (notice how Jinx didnt get down to follow Vi, she stayed up to watch for the gemstone), but when they meet Jinx wants the stone and shoots at them. Who would want the stone? Silco, so Ekko was right. Silco needs to be removed first. That`s why she went to Piltover, to get rid of Silco.
@@danutghidia5820 the bridge only had two ways across. There only one way onto the bridge from Zaun side. If vi didn’t turn back to help would of run into directly into her sister who would of pleased as she could confirm Vi chose not to leave her and dispelling silco lie as Vi backed up her talk with action and that would of caused events to change drastically. The lie was Vi only wanted the stone what we got was butterfly explosion vi going back to help Ekko throwing them the stone telling them to flee confirming Silco lie that Vi knows she is accused of. Her leaving again with her getting shot at would still tell Jinx Vi is all talk as in the tea party Jinx says you won’t lie to me again. Meaning she fully believes Vi lied to her on the tower.
@@matthewhungerford1861 Vi would not run into Jinx if she kept going on the bridge, what? Jinx stayed for the gemstone as Vi was leaving.
I also found it interesting how this is the first time Vi acknowledges Jinx. She didn't say the grenade was made by Powder, it was Jinx. It's sad since it shows that Vi's love for her sister seems conditional. That even though she's different, Vi can't accept her entirely and has an association: Powder = good, Jinx = bad. But that's not what Jinx wants.
no? Jinx means different things to both of them lol. Why would Vi want to call her sister the insult she last said to her in anger after hitting her and being sent to prison having to think about it for years?
Unconditional love isn't the same thing as unconditional acceptance. IMO, unconditional acceptance is unhealthy and toxic. If you really care about someone, you're supposed to call them out if they make mistakes and encourage them to be better. Unconditional love is what family is supposed to do. Vi loves her sister whether it's Powder or Jinx, but she can't accept what she has become.
@@danutghidia5820 it can be read both ways, and both meanings actually tie into each other. Vi calling her a jynx way back and the fact that "powder"/"Jynx" is now the way she is, Vi blames herself. So not only can she call her Jynx because she is ashamed for calling her that, but she also cannot love this new "Jynx", due to the fact that this new person is associated with what she called Powder back then, but it also is a reminder of the damage that has been done to "Jynx" that's she blames herself for. It would be hard for Vi to love someone who you believe you damaged psychologically into an almost insane person; she'd want to cling onto the person she used to know.
Although most of Jynx's persona was actually created by Silco, the fact that even Jynx herself notes that "Silco didn't make Jynx, [Vi] did" highlights that Vi had a significant part to play for the trauma caused to Jynx. However, in Vi's mind, this part is the whole reason as to why her sister has changed so much, and Vi is clearly self-conflicted in regards to it.
@@brodentripcony3641 I agree with what you're saying, but I just gotta ask, why are you spelling Jinx like Jynx? It's an honest question, I'm just a little confused is all
I don’t think Vi loves her conditionally. She just doesn’t know anything, Jinx and Vi haven’t had time to talk about the monkey bomb ep 3 event so all Vi knows is that Jinx is the last thing she called Powder, a mean nickname. The only thing she saw was Silco standing over her so she believes that Silco did all of this.
Honestly the council will always have a classic "no" to the one that can or could put down something the council needed to be done
A thing that should be pointed out is how Jayce was the only one on the council that wanted to and actually did do something
The irony is the fact that we know how hypothetical The Council is. We learn about that during the opera scene where Jayce gets the councillors on his side by making side deals with each of them. The problem is that Vi knew it, but she expected the tiniest bit of decency from those politicians (I'm using the term as an insult, though, for those guys, it's probably a compliment).
There's also the fact that Vi thinks of Jinx as separate from Powder. She assumed that Jinx only existed because of Silco, so removing Silco would get rid of Jinx, leaving only Powder behind.
It's also why she said they'll be okay after Silco dies, but since Jinx is just a part of Powder formed from trauma, it becomes one of many times Vi unknowingly rejects Powder for her idealized version of Powder. Ultimately leading Powder to accept herself as Jinx since Silco accepted all of her.
Love the 1 min analysis - please keep them coming.
Here's a prediction (spoiler?) for you. I say "spoiler" because, although I have no inside information, I have a moderate suspicion as to where this is going.
Original Vi / Jinx relationship seems inspired by the story of the brothers Romulus and Remis. As the Legend goes, etruscan orphans, Romulus and Remus were raised by a She-Wolf (Warg, ie Warrick). They decided to found a city which eventually became Rome, but got into a frivilous fight over which hill to build it on - Romulus kills Remis (who chose his hill to die on). I say frivilous because Rome quickly expanded to cover both hills anyway.
So we have Jinx fighting for hill Zaun and Enforcer Vi fighting for Hill Piltover - I'll leave it there as to how it goes. But if I were Riot Games and wanted to mind-fuck the audience with subverted expectations, that's how I woud write it.
very interesting angle!! thanks for sharing it!
Ooooo THAT'S where "dying on this hill" comes from!
So it was Vi who once again created Jinx
Ironically, although completely unintentional on Vi’s part, this is the start of a chain reaction that leads to Silco’s death and the council being exploded. Jayce learns Jinx’s name from Vi which leads to him demanding that Silco hand her over which then leads to the tea party.
Looks like she forgot exactly what she told Caitlyn. Top sliders expect people to give them things for free
That does make a lot of sense, thanks for explaining. This whole scene feels a bit more cohesive now.
She could have just said Silco did it!
When I saw the scene I was so confused but then I initially thought that Vi didn’t see Jinx as her sister. Only powder
Vi betrayed Jinx the moment she walked away from the bridge with Cait, leaving her with Ekko.
didnt Jinx also betray her the moment she walked on the bridge to take the gemstone and shot at them?
@@danutghidia5820 Jinx didn’t give a f… about the gemstone, liked shown the moment she let it drop from her hand when Vi hugs her the first time. She was waiting to see if Vi would have abandoned her again. Jinx stepped in only in the moment she sees Marcus messing things up. Reason why Vi was running back.
@@davidtestasecca6300 she definitely cared about it after her talk with Silco in ep 7. Silco emotionally manipulated her into completing the weapon and needs the gemstone for it. Vi was turning back for her, but she was still up on the bridge pillar looking after the gemstone, not going after Vi.
@@danutghidia5820 not going after Vi? The first thing she “says” to “Mylo” is “it’s a goodbye hug. She is not gonna lie to me again”. U said well: she was after the gem only for please Silco, but the moment Vi comes back and hugs her, that stone means nothing to the point she drops it. She almost despise it when she thinks Vi came with Cait only for the stone. Not saying Jinx is rational how could she be? Schizophrenia, hallucinated, PTSD…and so on. I understood every Vi’s behavior, even in ep 3 when she rages at Pow, because she was mourning and shocked as well. I understood until that bridge.
@@davidtestasecca6300 idk why you repeated what you previously said about ep6 when I clearly talked about episode 7
All i know is when season 2 is coming out ... ur channel will explode (again) :)
I hope you will make a video about Vi as the Zaunite traitor. Vi is already doing all of the things that lead to her living in Piltover and joining the enforcers. She has literally already teamed up with the leader of the council and dozens of enforcers to do a raid in Zaun. This does present a big problem for your Vi doesn't change theory, but that is only because Vi has the most fundamental change out of every character. She is the girl that pushed for fighting against the enforcers more than anyone else in those first few episodes. The prologue even ends on her angered look at the enforcers. After episode 5 we see a complete 180 on this as Vi first teams up with Caitlyn, before teaming up with the aforementioned Jayce and big group of enforcers for the raid. She is in the heart of Piltover's power and the only thing she can think to do is start a conflict that obviously won't go well. What happened to all that stuff Vander tried to teach her. That is personally how I see Vi, and I think this is the very specific change that Jinx is referring to in the 9th episode. Vi's character arc is already completed, she just doesn't realize it yet. The moment she put her anger at Silco ahead of doing anything for Zaun was when she became the Zaunite traitor, and there is no way Vi would have ever chosen to do any of this pre time skip.
100% agree. I think Vi has given up on revolution after Vander taught her in episode 2 that the cost is too high. So she no longer sees the point in fighting against Piltover as their power is too great. When Silco killed Vander, Vi's main enemy was no longer Piltover, but instead became Silco, a fellow Zaunite. To her, Piltover is too strong to beat, but fellow Zaunites? They can be beaten. And she will make use of a much greater power to do it if she has to. That's why she allied with the Council to take down Silco. She wants to make use of their power to kill Silco whom she now hates more than anyone.
As for the rest of the Lanes, my opinion is that Vi is pissed at them too. While she was in prison, a majority of them did not fight back against Silco and avenge Vander. Instead, from Vi's POV they betrayed Vander, let Silco take over, and enriched themselves under Silco's rule. As Vi said to the brothel madam, "Looks like no one here lifted a finger to stop Silco". I feel like this resentment towards her people will push her to join the enforcers. She will want to take it upon herself to stop more Silcos from rising, because to her, her people are weak-willed traitors who never avenged her beloved father, Vander.
Of course, Vi's POV is flawed. Her people had valid reasons to support Silco as Silco had a more concrete plan than Vander to free them from topside's rule. But Vi's thinking is too black-and-white after not maturing when being abused in prison for years. Her thinking is just as damaged as Jinx's. Vi is not matured and does not have a nuanced view of the world.
@@ahsink.3080 Vi doesn't actually listen to Vander, like at all. She learns nothing or she takes the lesson wrong. This is why Vander has to give himself up in episode 3. Even Vander's last words are completely ignored by her multiple times.
sheeesh no wonder she was so angy afterwards
That is truly superb writing!!❤️
you’re my fav channel at the moment! i love your analysis’s! can wait for the next!!
She keeps calling Jinx Powder when she meets her, but says "Jinx" not "Powder" in front of council
I felt it fit but didn't think about it that deeply. But yeah it makes sense how upset Vi is. Great analysis as always.
You'd think the undercity would play dirty but no it's the council
I thought it's also because she used the name Jinx, she doesn't acknowledge the jinx side of her, to her her sister is Powder, Jinx is someone else, and she probably doesn't believe she'll stay as Jinx after she 'frees her from her spell'
Very good analysis once again
Ok, now do a 20min video about eeeeevery theory, because they're damn awesome!
Love your takes
the plot needs Vi to snitch so she snitch
Why didn't she just straight up said Silco then???
It's still a foolish thing to do. Her own fault there.
I think Vi also got mad because she’s talking to the people who started the war that killed her parents, the people who made her and the undercity remain in poverty and pollution for her entire life, the people who cover up Silcos corruption and bribery for their own selfish agendas. That outburst was all her suppressed anger bottled up for years and years at Piltover.
Also because Vi saw Caitlyn’s desire to help them, she went to the council with some amount of trust. And right infront of her the council broke that trust.
Everyone over here arguing, meanwhile I’m over like “damn, Silco and Jinx were the best duo in the show.” Their father/daughter relationship was interesting and emotional in the end. Also, technically speaking most of the issues in the show were rooted from Vander trying to murder Silco when they were younger
This is a big issue, but also when Vi betrays Jinx by leaving her in the bridge. The only person who should be talking to Piltover is Echo. Vi fucks up
Such a good break down
Vulco didn't corrupt Powder, Vi did.
in addition she could be thinking of "killing" Jinx by bringing powder back, so having the council know this made up fake name is not important
When I watched Arcane the first time I got so confused by when Marcus asked for Jinx in exchange for Zaun. I was like, "how he know Jinx????" And then rewatching it at this scene where Vi exposes Jinx I was like "oh n o." Vi doesn't even realise she damned her sister into becoming Jinx in this moment. If Marcus hadn't been able to ask for Jinx in exchange for Zaun, everything could've gone differently. And it just hurts.
Your videos are so interesting, i love how you think!
I could watch an hour of you explaining why Kermit is a duck xD
I'd love it if you'd branch out of arcane, although it's how i got to your channel and I'd love you to keep posting these
You're so good!
Mate you deserve lots of respect for going that deep into characters personalities and action and how they think.If you learned that from a certain book or something I would like to know the name of that book.
I interpreted it as her seeing Jinx and Powder as separate people so therefore she thinks she isn’t betraying her sister. But either interpretation works for sure.
I honestly didn't think about this.. it's amazing wow..
I just realized she betrayed her… idk she betrayed her… uh oh
Actually I think it was just that she believed jinx was dead after blowing herself up on that bridge. Silco showing up and taking her body back to Zaun might have been another push to get the council to help her kill him.
We already see that she went back to get revenge on silco and kill him and Savika. She had no idea jinx was still alive until she was captured by her (for the best scene in the series)
So...how did Jinx know there was something to steal from Piltover? They made a huge deal that Jayce and his bro would and did NOT let anybody know about the Gem, yet Jinx somehow knew to go directly to it and where to get it and what it was
I don't think she directly knew, I think she just raided the lab of Piltover's Golden Boy and found an improved version of what she stole when she was little
@@amaliarobo1318 I mean, could be, but it bugs me how the story is treated as she had a reason to raid the Piltover lab, specifically that day and that way, she operated like she had an objective, narratively it was portrayed that way
Just seems odd, as if something was accidentally cut out that made her want to go
@@my2randomcents I think the fact that she operated like she had an objective can be explained as her thinking that Silco doesn't trust her anymore due to the blimp(?) incident, as in she has to prove she is capable of being useful, otherwise her father won't love her, so she cannot fail. And even when she was little and stole for the first time, It was shown she has a good eye for finding important stuff.
That being said, it does come across like she knew what to steal due to only that particular part of the lab being presented as a mess, also the only singular place she raided when narratively speaking she shouldn't have know who she stole front the first time, then again it would be hard to believe she wouldn't know about Piltover's Face of the Future, so maybe she didn't expect the improved version, but the ones she stole back then.
This is all the logic I can apply in this reply, I know it could still bug you due to the narrative not being that clear about this, (It does raise some doubts for me) but this is all I could come up with with what the show has offered, other than this i don't know why else It would be shown that way
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Well said
Zaun eat zaun world out there
It is so sad and tragic,Jinx has no one but Silco. To Her Vi just runs away,Vi solidified Powder’s trauma after punching her and saying that Mylo was right. You’re a Jinx. Right then in there. Powder was going to start having traumatic auditory hallucinations and serious, abandonment issues. I am on Powder’s side. It may not have been Vi’s intent but words matter, especially at that young vulnerable age. 😢 Team Powder/Jinx
Ironic what she said about "making think they have what they want" was used against her
At this point, I rather live in the Under-city than Piltover
The way i see it is that she gave them jinx's name after the explosion on the bridge when she fought with Ekko, Vi assuming Jinx died in that explosion , giving away jinx's name wouldn't mean much since Jinx was assumed dead anyway.
Specially that after vi left the counsel her target wasn't to bring Jinx back any more but to destroy Silco... Up until the moment Jinx shows up again to capture Vi
I don't think she is mad because of any kind of failed negotiation. I think she had an image of Piltover and of the council based on her own experiences and biases, I mean, the enforcers killing their parents, the enforcers turning the whole undercity upside down in order to capture a group of teenagers, and then putting her in jail for several years without going through court. They are supposed to hate the undercity the same way she hates them (by the way, when she says that Silco hates them and will never stop she has no idea of Silco's feelings, she is just projecting her own).
She expected them to react violently like she thinks they always do and go to war with Silco, they would destroy him and then, during the confusion, she could get Powder back (somehow) and escape from the city. But they didn't. They picked the diplomatic option. After all the pain and violence, do they choose diplomacy? With her sister's kidnapper? (according to her own opinion). No way. That was a totally unexpected result for her, and so she was furious.
Basically piltover doesn’t work like Zaun and Vi was too ignorant to understand it since she lived a close minded life. Pretty deep. I love this show more and more with every new thing I learn
Let's hope jinx never finds out about this. Also will she be a traitor if she is an Enforcer.
I hope she does
@@TykoBrian7 Vi becomes a traitor or jinx finds out.
Mark my words
Arcane will be studied in film schools for hundreds of years
I still think she could have said “someone who works for Silco” I mean why the name jeez Vi
Nice ❤️
Great analysis. Your theory has good merits, and I, too, believe that Vi just wanted Silco out so she could turn Powder to the light side in the situation. Still, despite all, I must acknowledge the sheer recklessness and lack of thinking about the consequences in the actions of Vi.
Some say ya she was shot and hurt by Jinx, but as I've said in another analysis, Cait was also shot, mistreated, almost killed in the bombing by Jinx, and YET she still doesn't reveal her identity, and she isn't even her relative, while Vi just does it straight away, betraying the person she claimed to love more than anything. She should have followed Cait's lead on that and not become so sharing so quickly. Also gives her identity away without any guarantees or indications that they will help her.
Vi once told Caitlyn that Undercity was gonna eat her alive. Well, I believe that Piltover was gonna eat Vi alive. With that approach, she'll go down in Piltover in no time.
Again I believe Vi was trying to just get Silco out of the game and get Powder back, but the rashness impulsiveness of her way of handling things is just horrendous. Vander was trying to teach her the weight of consequences so hard, but I guess she didn't learn, after all, shame.
Because in the end, she doesn't realize the council is the real villain or, more so, its neglect and contempt for the Undercity, which was evident in the way everyone accepts Jayce and Mel were treating Vi and, most notably that Jinx is here to stay and she's going nowhere.
During the tea party, she didn't realize that the council offered the deal for Jinx because they knew who Jinx was from her. As the therapist, Georgia Dow said in her video analysis - Vi is great with her fists but terrible with her words.
even jinx/power isn't brain 🧠 washed but that’s not what vi’s sees at all no, vi thinks silco did something to power/jinx even though all he did was take her in after nobody else would but no that’s not what vi sees at all, she sees silco as a monster who manipulating her sister even though that’s not entirely true but yet again it’s vi so yeah and yes I agree they shouldn’t have done that to vi but like everybody else there scared or at least that’s what I think there scared and yes I agree they shouldn’t have refused to help but they make the rules so yeah, poor vi!.
Good theory
Well... It's still a strange thing to do. Shouting hatred of Piltover for the entire show, and then relying on their decency... Although they've already shown repeatedly that the decency of the Council doesn't have much.... Let's just say. Vi should have realized that. (That desperate? She could have given another name, anything at all... That was so shortsighted.) If this act was just weird before, now it's even more stupid :\
She ended up ruining everything. She ruined Jinx's life for the second time, deprived the man who loved her and the prospect of war on the horizon...
Completely agree. I understand Vi’s emotional turmoil but she was so dogged on deposing Silco that she completely forgot that Piltover is actually the cause of their problems. She didn’t realize the bond Silco and Jinx had and kept unearthing traumatic memories for her sister.
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I agree, I understand her emotional state too... Like spent 8-10 years in jail, get out and find out her sister is alive and spent all those years with whoever is responsible for Vander's death and God knows what he did to her all those years. In the end he didn't leave an impression of himself as a kind uncle :D I would have been blown away by that too...
But still, it's too much, trying to save your sister and setting her up at the same time... not a winning strategy. I wonder if she'll understand anything now after the scene she witnessed at the table. Will she at least understand what she did and what she deprived Jinx of? Although I sometimes think it's like she intentionally put her sister in an unstable state in that scene...
In fact, to Silco's credit, he didn't try to drag Jinx to his side at that moment, but merely asked Jinx not to listen, seeing that she was hurt by what was going on and that if he starts yelling it wouldn't do her any good. The strange thing is that Vi spits on that and keeps screaming even when he sees that her sister is in pain and even when she tells her to stop...
I noticed that to......
Good
It was foolish and naive. Jinx is an adult. We can blame Silco all we want but how can Piltover politicians ever allowe Jinx to roam free when she’s Zaun’s primary weapons manufacturer and has now personally killed over 10 cops. Assuming they do tackle Silco first, Jinx would be next and she’d be forced to live on the run, far far away. Just say “Silco’s goons” and leave it at that.
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I really really hope you see this comment:
It would be incredibly helpful to me (and possibly many others) to show the process of how you analyze this show and these characters. It’s remarkable how well you read into this world and arrive at new findings. Making connections and discovering meaning and depth.
I have officially seen the comment lol, could you elaborate on what you'd like to know?
@@schnee1 my only dream is to be a writer for a TV show. My only pipe dream is to be a show runner for an animated show. I guess in my head I think that if I can learn to really analyze someone else’s work, like you do so well in these videos, I can do the same to my own work, and create truly spectacular characters and worlds. I just have so much to learn, and anything helps.
@@charlieshek3465 The best advice I've gotten about writing is to prioritize actual writing (with regular feedback) over analysis or reading books/taking classes about writing. But as far as getting better at analysis, the approach I was trained in for analyzing anything is to focus on finding contradictions and asking the best questions you can think of, not on finding answers. Talk your questions out and elaborate on them in as many ways as you can. If your questions are good enough, the answers will come by themselves. Best of luck with your dream!
Bro how does your mind even work
As your theory was on the target or whatever
Vi actually still loves her sister so
This scene makes no sense no matter how you try to justify it.
The Council controls the Enforcers who killed Vi's parents. The story's prologue makes a big deal out of this and even shows Vi angrily clenching her fists as she looks up at the Council tower in the first scene of Arcane. She even tells Caitlyn in episode 6 that her parents were murdered by Enforcers. She KNOWS who they are, what they are, knows her parents were killed for acting against Piltover. And then Piltover asks for the name of the person who acted against them even more violently in episode 8, and Vi then gives her only remaining family's name to the people who control the Enforcers.
Vi doing that goes very strongly against her personal history, this is like a Jew in 1944 coming to the Gestapo while they're hunting Jews and then giving them a Jew's identity while thinking that things can end well. No matter how you try to spin it, Vi's own personal history is extremely incompatible with this decision. At best, Jinx will end up in jail - and Vi has just spent 7 years in a Piltovian jail and should in no way ever want that for her sister. The reality would likely be worse, the Enforcers killed Vi's parents for far lesser crimes than what Jinx did so it safe to assume Jinx would meet the same fate. Even Jayce in episode 9 says "she has to pay for what she's done" and it's obviously became a personal vendetta for him at that point.
When you consider Vi's point of view and personal experiences, it is absurd to justify this scene. It means you either believe Vi is too stupid to understand basic cause and effect or is actually evil, neither of which are true.
The simple truth is that this is sloppy writing, the plot is hijacking a character for a short moment to make the greater story happen. This scene only happens the way it does because the writers needed episode 9 to work, and that hinges on Jayce knowing Jinx's identity. Vi drew the short straw and turned out to be the character who tells him, even if it compromises her characterization.
AGREED. Vi's characterization suffered a lot in Acts 2 and 3.
I don’t think the council was “scamming” Vi. I believe that in their pov Vi is a citizen who is required to provide information on criminals and they the council is a governing body who will act on those information how they see fit. It’s just the different in pov. Vi’s view is a 1 for 1 deal while the council’s is a government - civilian interaction. Both of those views are understandable.
From Vi’s POV, Jinx just tried to kill both her and Caitlyn, and suicide bombed Ekko, her limp body carried off as a daughter in Silco’s arms. Vi sees now Jinx more as Ekko did, and it isn’t until dinner that she tries again to reach Powder. Her only goal is to destroy Silco. There is nobody left that she truly loves in the undercity.
Great catch on the rules of engagement. Everybody has a price to play, and she needed to give something.
Arcane is really good, much better than i think anyone expected. But it feels so weird to watch it and know that vi becomes a cop.