If this were true, all Greek hoplites, at least full time professionals such as Spartans or Macedonian hypaspists would be defined in the sources with lopsided bodies not as well muscled athletic bodies
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Asymmetry can look kind of cool if in the right way. Having one arm a bit bigger than the other but proportionate along its length is better than having both arms have big muscle but small hands or overly large hands, small muscle, equally disproportionate on both sides. Crabs can also have one massive claw and helicopters and planes an antenna stick out on one side vs somewhere in the middle. Perfect symmetry helps but as long as asymmetry is not in the wrong areas, it can be fine.
They may have been asymmetrical however I wouldn't call them deformed since they would have still been in good health. The fat also makes perfect sense since they would need for endurance while fighting in melee combat for prolonged periods of time. Asymmetry and fat reserves would also be found in the Legions, Hoplites or really any other professional soilder formation as their body adapts to make them better at their specific job. Although due to their wider verity of tasks (i.e. fighting, building, crafting, transporting and etc) Asymmetries wouldn't be as pronounced as Gladiators that only did one thing. Although they would still be noticeable since even with just access to their skeletons we can pick tell what they likely did. (For example, archers thicker and denser bones in their upper body than normal).
My father, who unfortunately went to prison for years, said a lot of prisoners would lift weights incorrectly and have one side significantly larger than the other. To the point of having to have surgery to correct it.
Comments saying gladiators killed each other for mass entertainment are like reading comments saying that all WWE matches are real and unscripted violence and that the ones that died in the ring were killed on purpose
The fat or weight they probably thought would make them stronger and in reality helps if you get cut or stabbed as the fat protects the vital organs. Much like sumo wrestlers today
There were like 4 classes of barbarian. One class is to literally have one arm/side completely armored/shielded, with a big helmet and then the other side completely free/no armor. I could definitely see how they would look uneven.
For greeks the Ideal body of men was like their greek statue a more symmetric body & gladiators was opposite with extra fat from high carb almost a vegetarian diet ( modern analyses of their bones) of wheat, barley and beans. Biggest reason of diet was giving extra protection from light cuts of sharp weapons, 2nd cheap by nutrition. Other thing many movies & TV show make wrong picture of gladiators as they were expandable but the facts Ludus invest a lot of 💰 & tried avoid unnecessary death in arena as well had professional physician too treat their wounds. All Gladiators wasn't slave, there was free men (very few female as well) who joined either debt or being famouse & rich like modern sportstar e.g. soccer stars. But gladiator, actor or basic anything with entertainment, was classed same as prostitute, that made emperor Commodus (as well he cheated & basic death sentence if someone would hurt him in fights) unpopular by upper class Patrician, when he become a gladiator.
Yeah gladiators occupied the fat buff spectrum the Greeks thought barbaric. They fed them tones of barely and wheat so they’d be less likely to bleed out and the dedicated fighting styles when it’s your life to perform means they’d end up pretty muscularly asymmetrical. Gladiators were superstars but also close to slaves so you can imagine the hell they’d put their bodies through for this job. It’s a really interesting concept and you think about stuff like the overly heavy helmets you can see how much protection they wanted for certain areas and the money these guys brought in. Your slaves and Christians can perish in the pits but a gladiator is a lot of money back then
@@lllllliiillllll : I actually got the same impression.... I guess he went by the ancient depiction of a gladiator which shows him having an nfl player's size neck which is pretty cool...
A big penis was considered barbaric and savage like. The doctor was a greek. Greeks considered small penises to be true beauty and sign of intelligence That's probably why
"Fat Gladiateurs.... etc." One CZcamsr wrote a book about the topic. Debunked. 4 times the muscular neck of a random man is not that much. Lifting weights will do it. "Fat" means something like a huge bouncer... ? And you can be fat like a sumo fighter so those gladiateurs were just heavy fighters extremely difficult to take down in hand to hand combat and their fat wasn't in the inside of the body and organs like for an obese. They were not obese. The fat was like for sumos, over the muscles as they practice like crazy. Were legionaires "lean" ... ? Got to be extremely fit to carry the body armor and arms... 38 kg of equipement and run and fight. They were absolute beasts when trained for 3 years. That's something you got in today's army : 3 years to turn a civilian in a soldier and you still carry about 38kg of stuff.
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“A lot of fat” in ancient rome is also undoubtably alot leaner than what is considered that today, back then the average person had visible abdominals, today most people are very soft looking.
Regular criminals should do forced labor like chaingangs and psychotic criminals should do gladiatorial combat for our entertainment, that and test subjects for the medical industry
To put things in perspective, Romans and Greeks also thought tiny dicks were preferably to big giant cranks. They thought that large dicks were what what savage, unevolved barbarians had, and small ones were a sign of sophistication. To be it sounds like the early defense about "size doesn't matter."
@@hotelhopper681 yes, it probably takes a lot of deduction and a good sample size. For instance, if I study one man's bones and notice a curvature of the spine and heavy calcium deposits at certain joints present on one side of the body and not the other, small fractures, etc. I might believe it was congenital or some sort of deformity. If I study the remains of 50 men all in the same profession showing the same sorts of signs and other bones in the population do not show the same signs of uneven wear, I might conclude it has to do with the work. I don't know much more about it than that, I only learned about similar techniques used on ancient human remains in an anthropology class I took.
No, they're unnaturally fat, rather than unnaturally shredded and covered in gravy browning. The shredded being more unnatural if you look at old pictures of "strongmen"
Neck goals.
Oh so Brock Lesnar...
Wait there’s a dark side to gladiators?
If this were true, all Greek hoplites, at least full time professionals such as Spartans or Macedonian hypaspists would be defined in the sources with lopsided bodies not as well muscled athletic bodies
Gladiators were stocky asf
Never fight a man whose neck is wider than his head. Avoid Mike Tyson.
I thought the gladiators had bodies like the spartans in 300 back then
Dark side? What Dark Side, you'd be the lead attraction in the circus.
Big muscles doesn't equal big strength or good looks. Just hunks of mostly useless, more useful than the average lazy non-gym person, muscle.
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How do they know how thick the necks were from skeletal remains?
Most likely bone density
So gladiators are Rome’s sumo wrestlers?
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I thought the new theory was that gladiators RARELY killed each other. Almost like some weaponized fusion of WWE and MMA, but with armor and weapons.
Wow I never thought about that stuff
Asymmetry can look kind of cool if in the right way. Having one arm a bit bigger than the other but proportionate along its length is better than having both arms have big muscle but small hands or overly large hands, small muscle, equally disproportionate on both sides. Crabs can also have one massive claw and helicopters and planes an antenna stick out on one side vs somewhere in the middle. Perfect symmetry helps but as long as asymmetry is not in the wrong areas, it can be fine.
"The dark side"? There were trained to kill and die in an arena, it's all dark rofl
The only important thing about gladiators' bodies was that romans milfs wanted them
the dark side is that you could die
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Myostatyn deficient gladiator
They may have been asymmetrical however I wouldn't call them deformed since they would have still been in good health.
The fat also makes perfect sense since they would need for endurance while fighting in melee combat for prolonged periods of time.
Asymmetry and fat reserves would also be found in the Legions, Hoplites or really any other professional soilder formation as their body adapts to make them better at their specific job. Although due to their wider verity of tasks (i.e. fighting, building, crafting, transporting and etc) Asymmetries wouldn't be as pronounced as Gladiators that only did one thing. Although they would still be noticeable since even with just access to their skeletons we can pick tell what they likely did. (For example, archers thicker and denser bones in their upper body than normal).
My father, who unfortunately went to prison for years, said a lot of prisoners would lift weights incorrectly and have one side significantly larger than the other. To the point of having to have surgery to correct it.
How is anything about gladiator training not the dark side lmao
Interesting, especially considering the gladiators were predominantly vegetarian
I mean, cows are vegetarian, and cheetahs eat meat… haha
Body builders take note- thick king neck 😂
Comments saying gladiators killed each other for mass entertainment are like reading comments saying that all WWE matches are real and unscripted violence and that the ones that died in the ring were killed on purpose
This is ridiculous
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This is an interesting turn thank you for showing
skeletal remains, muscle, what?
I know how i must train now
offensive object and a shield form you into asymetric wierdos... me rn looking at every ancient culture i could think of.
The fat or weight they probably thought would make them stronger and in reality helps if you get cut or stabbed as the fat protects the vital organs. Much like sumo wrestlers today
Evolution is freaking crazy
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They were not fat lol.
barley men...
The picture with disc z popular
Neck muscules are important
So that's where the chargers in L4D2 come from 🤔
All I'm taking from this is that I should wear a helmet
and also be sure that your shield and sword are of similar weight, and to actively use the Shield.
GALEN in Swedish means crazy
he looks like Channing Tatum 😂
So like tennis players arms or GrecoRoman wrestlers 🤼♂️ necks and backs
Suuuuure, These hands got so big from carying swords
Imagine the sleep apnea…
Thanks for clearing that up ....now I know where on my body I gone wear a helmet for a while 🐴
There were like 4 classes of barbarian. One class is to literally have one arm/side completely armored/shielded, with a big helmet and then the other side completely free/no armor. I could definitely see how they would look uneven.
But they had real small weaners😮
How does the skeleton show the what the muscles lookded like
Muscles and tendons support the skeleton, so muscle growth can leave traces on the skeletal structure even after the muscle is decayed.
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Your forgetting that the "weak" sword arm was also the armored arm, I don't Amy serious asymmetry would be easily detectable.
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For greeks the Ideal body of men was like their greek statue a more symmetric body & gladiators was opposite with extra fat from high carb almost a vegetarian diet ( modern analyses of their bones) of wheat, barley and beans. Biggest reason of diet was giving extra protection from light cuts of sharp weapons, 2nd cheap by nutrition.
Other thing many movies & TV show make wrong picture of gladiators as they were expandable but the facts Ludus invest a lot of 💰 & tried avoid unnecessary death in arena as well had professional physician too treat their wounds.
All Gladiators wasn't slave, there was free men (very few female as well) who joined either debt or being famouse & rich
like modern sportstar e.g. soccer stars. But gladiator, actor or basic anything with entertainment, was classed same as prostitute, that made emperor Commodus (as well he cheated & basic death sentence if someone would hurt him in fights) unpopular by upper class Patrician, when he become a gladiator.
So they all had Channing Tatum necks?
Same thing happens to men today who wield one handed rods daily
Gladiator training had no bright side.
they had the mike tyson neck
Hey the link didn't work in the description
Yeah gladiators occupied the fat buff spectrum the Greeks thought barbaric. They fed them tones of barely and wheat so they’d be less likely to bleed out and the dedicated fighting styles when it’s your life to perform means they’d end up pretty muscularly asymmetrical. Gladiators were superstars but also close to slaves so you can imagine the hell they’d put their bodies through for this job. It’s a really interesting concept and you think about stuff like the overly heavy helmets you can see how much protection they wanted for certain areas and the money these guys brought in. Your slaves and Christians can perish in the pits but a gladiator is a lot of money back then
How is it determined that some skeletal remains had precisely 4 times the amount of muscle on their necks??
This guy seems to be making a lot of it up not going to lie.
@@lllllliiillllll : I actually got the same impression.... I guess he went by the ancient depiction of a gladiator which shows him having an nfl player's size neck which is pretty cool...
That ain't muscle, that's mostly fat. Like WWE wrestlers, who have more meat than muscle showing
I'm more interested to the light side of a gladiator career. Doesn't exactly sound pleasant.
They had the neck like Mike Tyson
I think he was referring to joint and connective tissue injuries, like arthritis or tennis elbow... sword elbow?
A big penis was considered barbaric and savage like. The doctor was a greek. Greeks considered small penises to be true beauty and sign of intelligence
That's probably why
another odd quality of gladiators is their odd diet which was apparently very vegetarian based. like they eat mostly grains I think
So basically the position wouldn't have liked Mike Tyson
This information was really interesting don't see this in movies
"Fat Gladiateurs.... etc." One CZcamsr wrote a book about the topic. Debunked.
4 times the muscular neck of a random man is not that much. Lifting weights will do it.
"Fat" means something like a huge bouncer... ?
And you can be fat like a sumo fighter so those gladiateurs were just heavy fighters extremely difficult to take down in hand to hand combat and their fat wasn't in the inside of the body and organs like for an obese. They were not obese. The fat was like for sumos, over the muscles as they practice like crazy.
Were legionaires "lean" ... ? Got to be extremely fit to carry the body armor and arms... 38 kg of equipement and run and fight. They were absolute beasts when trained for 3 years.
That's something you got in today's army : 3 years to turn a civilian in a soldier and you still carry about 38kg of stuff.
Are you saying I shouldn't bother to shoot my bow "the other way around" and instead just walk around holding a shield? :v
"link in the description"
*Video is private*
Ok
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me in high-school only doing bench and curls lol
Oh man I remember seeing my uncle do this when I was a little kid and getting soooo mad when I would inevitably fail every time I tried to do it
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An abnormally thick neck prevents knockouts. That's probably why it was done and not for aesthetics.
“A lot of fat” in ancient rome is also undoubtably alot leaner than what is considered that today, back then the average person had visible abdominals, today most people are very soft looking.
Guys this is just a painting or a portrait they do not actually indicate what they actually looked like.
Gladiators we’re Niggas just like football players & basketball players are today
training slaves to slaughter each other for the amusement of the mob had a dark side?!
Gladiators didn't kill each other for the most part.
Gladiators were seldom given meat. For the most part they were given a lentil stew/porridge.
Eww gross.. but ok 👍🏻
Salmon necks lmao 😂
Like tennis players
It says full video is private, if anybody has another link please send it
Regular criminals should do forced labor like chaingangs and psychotic criminals should do gladiatorial combat for our entertainment, that and test subjects for the medical industry
To put things in perspective, Romans and Greeks also thought tiny dicks were preferably to big giant cranks. They thought that large dicks were what what savage, unevolved barbarians had, and small ones were a sign of sophistication.
To be it sounds like the early defense about "size doesn't matter."
Oh I see how it is. A gladiator can have a large right arm and they're cool, but when I have a large right arm, I am called a perv?
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So all I have to do is wear an 8 pound helmet all day to get the ultimate neck
Mf's packed into gyms tryna turn themselves into deformed creatures!!
How does one determine muscle composition from a skeleton
Muscles attach to and leverage against bones, so over time they affect and change the shape and wear of bone.
@@curlyfryactual that's pretty cool, seems like the could be a lot of varying factors, though
@@hotelhopper681 yes, it probably takes a lot of deduction and a good sample size.
For instance, if I study one man's bones and notice a curvature of the spine and heavy calcium deposits at certain joints present on one side of the body and not the other, small fractures, etc. I might believe it was congenital or some sort of deformity.
If I study the remains of 50 men all in the same profession showing the same sorts of signs and other bones in the population do not show the same signs of uneven wear, I might conclude it has to do with the work.
I don't know much more about it than that, I only learned about similar techniques used on ancient human remains in an anthropology class I took.
@@curlyfryactualthat was very interesting thank you very much
He probably like twinks
To be honest they would still probably win mr olympia
No, they're unnaturally fat, rather than unnaturally shredded and covered in gravy browning.
The shredded being more unnatural if you look at old pictures of "strongmen"
😂😂😂😂😂 in the time when you talking about grek didn’t exist
or maybe just an bad artist
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