Can AI write a good hazy IPA recipe?
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2024
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"AIzy IPA" - name sorted, you're welcome! 😁
We legit just did a video on this but with Chat GPT and brewed it. It's pretty interesting because you will always get a different recipe each time you ask!
You should do a 5 gallon batch based on one of these for a video
You should’ve picked a weird style and then tried to brew what it said on your pilot system
Lots of great points there, I haven't tried it for a recipe yet (other than when I was watching the video), but the utility that I could maybe see is just for the brainstorming aspect of it. Maybe getting an idea for an ingredient or something along those lines, but you're definitely right about the need to understand the process. Cheers!
Like all machine made things, it will be technically perfect yet soulless.
great comment, but i disagree with the technically perfect part. it is particularly bad at verbose grammar
Nate I have a question . When brewing hazies and you incorporate other malts just to add complexity , do you adjust hop additions and or water profile ?
I used AI to brew a pale ale for my wedding. Built a great recipe but it needed help with IBUs as it was suggesting way too many bittering hops. Turned out great after some tweaks!
It’s a great tool if you already know how to brew. You can also challenge it further by asking for a more complex grist, and ask it for explanations on each ingredients flavor contribution.
Around what temperature do you guys normally dryhop your hazy's, and would it be typical for you to add a late ferm addition? Cheers, love this channel!
I just found this channel. You guys are on the money. Great creative investment doing these videos. Very cool.
Awesome, thank you! Stay tuned - so much content in store
Literally, the first thing I asked ChatGPT last year was how to make Pliny the Elder, Treehouse Julius and Nebraska's Melange A Trois. I've done multiple clones prior to this and surprisingly it was close enough for government purposes. This is a fun channel but I wish I had your nose for detecting aromas, jelly!
Weird reaction to the lactose suggestion since Tree House has used it in NEIPA in recent years.
AI = Artificial Intelligence
I gave Grok the same instructions, and it gave me many more process details.
Last summer a brewery here in Texas (3 Nations in Carrollton) brewed a WC IPA off a chatGPT recipe and another one off a recipe by their head brewer. They then had a weekend where you could go to the brewery, get a 6oz pour of each, taste them blindly (they were just labeled “A” and “B”), and vote for which one you liked better. The result was a tie. It was a cool way to get some attention to recipe for people who wouldn’t normally think that deeply about their beer.
When will your brews be available in Milwaukee Wisconsin area?
AI. Like my wife.
Spits out crap you know is wrong, and you dont want to hear😅
Fun idea. Now that you’ve given us a solid Treehouse style IPA and Robust Stout, it’s time for a lager recipe video, German style of course!
we did do a video on pilsner basics recently!
@@treehousebrewco I see it now, missed that one coming across my feed for some reason!
Ask that question to ChatGPT the answer is totally different.
ME: what is a good recipe for a new england style hazy ipa
ChatGPT
Sure, here's a basic recipe for a New England style Hazy IPA:
Ingredients:
Malts:
8 lbs (3.6 kg) Pale Malt (2-row)
2 lbs (0.9 kg) Flaked Oats
1 lb (0.45 kg) White Wheat Malt
Hops:
1 oz (28 g) Citra Hops (for bittering, added at the beginning of the boil)
1 oz (28 g) Citra Hops (for flavor, added at the end of the boil)
1 oz (28 g) Mosaic Hops (for flavor, added at the end of the boil)
2 oz (56 g) Citra Hops (for dry hopping)
2 oz (56 g) Mosaic Hops (for dry hopping)
Yeast:
London Ale III Yeast or a comparable New England style yeast strain
Others:
Gypsum (for water treatment, if necessary)
Irish Moss or Whirlfloc Tablet (optional, for clarity)
Corn sugar or Dextrose (for priming when bottling)
Instructions:
Mashing: Heat about 3.5 gallons (13 liters) of water to around 165°F (74°C). Add your crushed grains (pale malt, flaked oats, white wheat malt) into a mesh bag or directly into your mash tun. Mash at around 152°F (67°C) for 60 minutes.
Sparge: After mashing, sparge with enough water to collect around 6.5 gallons (25 liters) of wort in your brew kettle.
Boil: Bring the wort to a boil and add the first addition of Citra hops. Boil for 60 minutes. Add the second addition of Citra and Mosaic hops during the last 10 minutes of the boil. You can also add a Whirlfloc tablet or Irish Moss during the last 15 minutes of the boil to help with clarity, though haze is desirable in this style.
Cooling: After the boil, cool the wort rapidly to around 68°F (20°C).
Fermentation: Transfer the cooled wort to a sanitized fermentation vessel and pitch the yeast. Ferment at around 68°F (20°C) for approximately 7-10 days or until fermentation activity slows down significantly.
Dry Hopping: After primary fermentation is complete, add the dry hops (Citra and Mosaic) directly into the fermenter. Dry hop for 3-5 days at the same temperature as fermentation.
Packaging: After dry hopping, you can either package your beer into bottles or kegs. If bottling, dissolve corn sugar or dextrose in boiling water, add it to the beer, and then bottle. If kegging, simply transfer the beer to a sanitized keg.
Carbonation: If bottling, let the beer carbonate for about 2 weeks at room temperature before chilling and serving. If kegging, carbonate at a pressure of around 10-12 PSI for a few days before serving.
Enjoy: Once carbonated, your New England style Hazy IPA is ready to be enjoyed! Be sure to store it cold and drink it fresh for the best flavor.
Remember to sanitize all equipment that will come into contact with your beer to prevent contamination. Also, feel free to experiment with different hop varieties and malt combinations to customize the recipe to your taste preferences. Cheers!
In the original video we asked the same question of ChatGPT and Gemini and they gave virtually the same answer so we cut them from the video
@@treehousebrewcothats too funny.
Yes, clear the Hazy😂
I did a chat gpt beer at my brewery a few months ago. It was a big hit.
I just ask to make a 1905 stout on chat gpt. I’m going to try it abv is about 4.8 according to Brewfather app. Mine said I need to adjust equipment and methods to match the 1905 style. I’m going to see how it comes out
Is the prize exchangeable to a Paypal form?...it is much more expensive to ship to my country, but i can buy it afterwards after i win tho
I like to think about what the archetypal NEIPA is. I think Julius is a pretty good answer. New NEIPA is probably lighter in color, closer to Jasper, though. It’s hard to think of a super pale example that I’d call the archetype. Maybe one of Other Half or Trillium’s beers.
Crazy to me that I never have anything that I think tastes like Heady.
I asked AI to give me a treehouse style hazy ipa. And a key step was “add Nate’s blood, sweat and tears with ten minutes left in the boil”. Is that for balancing PH before fermentation?
Morning Nate.
Interesting to see where the whole AI experience is going.
I recently asked ChatGPT for a recipe for an Australian style pale ale to use some ingredients that I had on hand.
Just kit and kilo type stuff with some extra grains and hops.
Below is what it gave me. (This is currently cold crashing ready to keg on the weekend).
SG 1.044 FG 1.013
I want to brew an ale style beer with 1.7kg of extra light un-hopped extract, 1kg of dextrose, 500 grams of crushed pilsener malt, 50 grams pride of ringwood hops, 50 grams galaxy hops and 50 grams motueka hops. can you suggest a recipe?
ChatGPT
Certainly! Based on the ingredients you provided, here's a simple recipe for an ale-style beer:
Ingredients:
1.7 kg Extra Light Un-hopped Liquid Malt Extract
1 kg Dextrose (corn sugar)
500 grams Crushed Pilsner Malt (for steeping)
50 grams Pride of Ringwood Hops
50 grams Galaxy Hops
50 grams Motueka Hops
Yeast suitable for ale styles (such as US-05, Safale S-04, or similar)
Instructions:
Steeping the Grains:
Place the crushed Pilsner malt in a muslin bag or steeping bag.
Heat about 3-4 litres of water to around 65-70°C (149-158°F).
Steep the grains in the hot water for about 30 minutes, like making tea. This extracts colour and flavour.
Remove the grains and discard them.
Boiling:
Bring the wort (the liquid from steeping) to a boil.
Once boiling, remove the pot from heat and add the liquid malt extract (LME) and dextrose, stirring well to dissolve completely.
Hop Additions:
Return the pot to heat and bring back to a boil.
Add the hops according to the schedule:
Add 25 grams of Pride of Ringwood hops at the beginning of the boil (60 minutes).
Add 15 grams of Galaxy hops with 15 minutes remaining in the boil.
Add 15 grams of Motueka hops with 5 minutes remaining in the boil.
Add the remaining 25 grams of Pride of Ringwood hops at flameout (end of the boil).
If desired, you can reserve some hops for dry hopping during fermentation for added aroma.
Cooling and Fermentation:
After boiling, cool the wort rapidly to around 18-20°C (64-68°F).
Transfer the cooled wort to a sanitized fermenter.
Top up with cool, clean water to reach your desired batch volume, typically 19-23 litres (5-6 gallons).
Pitch your chosen ale yeast into the fermenter.
Fermentation:
Seal the fermenter with an airlock and allow fermentation to proceed at a stable temperature, ideally around 18-20°C (64-68°F).
Fermentation will typically take around 1-2 weeks to complete. You'll know it's done when the airlock stops bubbling and the specific gravity stabilizes.
Bottling or Kegging:
Once fermentation is complete, you can bottle or keg your beer. If bottling, add priming sugar to carbonate the beer in the bottles.
Allow the beer to carbonate for another 1-2 weeks before enjoying.
This recipe should produce a refreshing ale with a balanced malt and hop profile, featuring notes of citrus and floral from the Galaxy and Motueka hops. Adjustments can be made to hop quantities or timing based on personal preference and desired flavour intensity.
ask it how to make Julius Clone. I'm still using the recipe from back in the day when you just started your first canning line and you provided a recipe to BYOB or wherever it was I saw it.
Nate is clearly not a fan of "Milkshake" IPAs 😂
Maybe, but milkshake IPAs are not Neipas :D
The 11th commandment is “thou shalt not drink milkshake ipa’s”
That’s absolutely right , who came first , man or machine ?
Will Tree House make a Gluten Free Beer???
Thank for giving an F- on the lactose addition! I absolutely hate when brewers use lactose in their IPAs. I like my IPAs bitter because they’re IPAs and they’re not suppose to be sweet. Also, not to mention for people who have an intolerance to lactose. It’s why I stopped drinking so many New England IPAs, lactose does not belong in an IPA!
When I asked AI for a recipe, just to see what it said, I asked for a five gallon batch. Have yet to brew one from AI.
I much prefer and trust a recipe generated by a human with actual sensory perception and experience.
You all should ask them for a grisette recipe. Could be entertaining... Potential upside: might break the system, delay Skynet for awhile.
Generative AI is not going to provide a fine tuned model. What will is constant notes of a specific set of attributes that provide a predictive result. This would be a much better way to build out an algorithm and use machine learning to your benefit
Think you got try this with the lactose now
that would be a milkshake IPA...which...fortunately seemed to have run their course a few years ago.
@@jonathanwilliams1974 oh yeah it would not be good. Would be funny though
@@packerzilla3432 I never had a milkshake IP I liked. To get more body in your hazy adding a little maltodextrin helps a LOT. Like .5 lbs in a 5 gallon batch. A buddy of mine uses that in his hazys and they're the best I've had. He's opening a brewery in the next couple months and will do the same. Dude is a mad scientist. He can drink a beer and know what brand of malt you used (if its a brand he doesn't like). It's uncanny.
Did i hear it right that recipe isn’t as important as process? 😮😮
That’s it. I’ve had it with AI. We as a society have to draw a line in the sand. YOU CANNOT COME FOR OUR BEER!!!
Employ RAG / guard rails & those issues go away
NIGHTSHIFT DID IT
a whole bunch of breweries have done it. we won’t
I think AI is pretty good for quickly creating a to-style foundational recipe. It does a good job of finding appropriate ratios of base-to-specialty malt, IBU, and water profiles but after that, its kinda useless. The recipes are always super boring and the proecess is always at least somewhat flawed. I often use it to generate a starting point when brewing a new style (it was particularly useful for a weizenbock, which has lots of recipe variability) then heavily tweak based on research, curiousity, and personal taste
AI beer? No thanks. I’ll stick with TH beer.
Maybe take this a step further than the recipe and ask AI how to brew an IPA. Then have someone with no brewing experience try to do it just following the AI instructions. Then you take the same recipe/ingredient list/equipment and brew one.
AI is just a tool. Use it if you want. I am writing a beer recipe on brewfather while watching this video all on my smartphone. New tech isn't that bad.
You can probably train a custom model that can do much better than this LLM.
what is this wierd music in the background
One could argue you didn't ask it specific enough questions, for example one could ask :
"Build me an all grain tree house brewing company style ipa recipe for a 5 gallons scale at 75% efficiency, please include detailed fermentation steps" and see what you get for a result...
Personally I want nothing to do with AI. I believe it will be a huge detriment to society. I'm sure with some things it is going to be a huge help, but I think there are going to be way too many unintended consequences.
Why do they call it "intellegence" when it's just data collation? Not really any actual learning in this fad that I can see🤔
What a disappointing video. Just stick to establishing real relationships with your customers rather than riding the AI train.
Try to fart, it helps to relax
@@XkannsenXyou 4 years old
@@XkannsenX are you relaxed now... Good.
AI recipe beers. No thanks. Tree House ipa’s, hell yeah! After i have a tree house ipa, i am going to have another tree house ipa.