Would you say the first mountain range you see behind the Dungeness peninsula is Mount Tuam and then the first hills you see after you started panning to the right could be the Henry Island Preserve at 56kms or Straut Island behind it at 65 kms?
@@fromjesse 5 miles to that horizon sure, what about the drop ⤵️ over the horizon? Why does it dip so much for that short of a distance? Why do object that dip "over" the horizon remain leveled with the eye level or the horizontal line?
@@MaxWithoutPain I'm not sure what you're talking about. The dip looks to me like just about what we'd expect on a globe earth. You can go on google maps and find the distance to the land beyond the island. Its not super close to the observer.
@@fromjesse I'm trying to figure out what the horizon is, as in a visual artistic perspective. I have doubts that it is because of a curve. If objects curved they wouldn't stay to the original level, because according to "gravity" objects that go over a curve supposed to level with the curve - they don't.
@@MaxWithoutPain The horizon is defined as the limiting circle of the surface beyond which you cannot see the surface. Technically it is the intersection of the path of light and the surface of the water. A horizon REQUIRES that at least either the light or the surface be non flat or not straight, because it requires that one of them intersects the other at a point and then diverge again. It could be curving light on a flat surface, straight light and a curving surface, or a combination of a curving surface and curving light that intersect at a point. Two straight parallel lines cannot touch at just one point in the middle. One of them must curve. Laws of geometry says that. Flat earth has no explanation for horizons.
Not intentionally. But I think observable reality tends to do that! We got the horizon drop, we got the bottom up obstruction, we got everything you'd expect from a globe!
Both of these videos are black swans, how far is the buoy from your observation point? The horizon, according the sphere's math, must be, has to be, can not be any further than 4.9 miles away. I'm sure you don't know how far the buoy is, probably on purpose, you shouldn't even see it at all if it's more than 4.9 miles. That's 422 feet of missing curvature if I'm guessing right. How far are the buoys?
> _Both of these videos are black swans_ They are black swans against flat earth. They are not possible on a flat earth :D > _how far is the buoy from your observation point?_ I didn't even know that buoy was out there till I saw it in the camera! There was a couple of them. I don't know how far they are. However, I do give my observer location and I tell you when I'm pointing at the tip of Dungeness Spit so maybe you can work it out, and next time I'm out there maybe I can measure exact angles to them and we can figure it out! > _The horizon, according the sphere's math, must be, has to be, can not be any further than 4.9 miles away_ Yeah, 4.9 to 5. Remember, light DOES bend towards the more dense region in a gradient, and air IS at a greater pressure at lower level, so this WOULD extend the horizon a little. But anyway, Protection island IS at about 5 miles and DOES appear right at the horizon. > _I'm sure you don't know how far the buoy is, probably on purpose,_ LOL. You're silly :D I give my location and tell you where I'm pointing the camera, why don't you go look on public websites and try to figure out what buoys those are? Every buoy has an ID number and published Coordinates. > _you shouldn't even see it at all if it's more than 4.9 miles._ Well, when the air is warmer than the water it can intensify the refraction and allow one to see way too far. But I don't think that was happening this day in this region. This isn't California :D > _That's 422 feet of missing curvature if I'm guessing right._ How do you figure? I think you forgot to take into account observer height of 15.5 feet. Try your maths again :D > _How far are the buoys?_ I don't know but I gave you my observer location and approximate angle to the buoys so have fun and see if you can figure it out!
> _How far are the buoys?_ If you look near the end of the Dungeness Spit on this boaters map, you will see TWO buoys near the end of it -- so the distance is probably around 7 miles. That's why some of the bottom of them is cut off - they are channel markers and are there so that ships can see them from a long distance to help guide them into the channel at night. www.usharbors.com/harbor/washington/dungeness-wa/map/
Maybe an NDR filter would clear up your footage next time. Any thoughts on that ship you saw? How far away it is? What about meteorological profile? I would consider this an example of extension(or, looming). Since there is no curve, looming is a misnomer; hence, “extending the floor,” Is a more appropriate term.
I don't think an ND filter would have helped. All they do is reduce light a certain percentage. I had the exposure correct. There was just very low contrast at 15 miles that day. I have no information on the ship, and no information on the met. I could tell you that it was cool and very breezy but I won't tell you that since I didn't measure that with an instrument. What do you consider to be extension/looming about this? I measured the angle to be -0.065139 below eye-level and at 5 miles which is EXACTLY where the globe model says it should be. The horizon line was BELOW eye-level. Nothing was distorted out of it's correct width-height ratio. What exactly do you suppose was extension/looming? If earth was flat, the horizon was dropped DOWN to match the globe. Why would a DROPPED DOWN horizon cause bottom up obstruction?
4:41 that’s not the horizon line unless you are creating a new reference point. But also notice there at the focal point of your center of vision where the water apparently ends-there’s an electric looking white line of noise. See it? 6:47 What are the distances? What about the bluffs from earlier? 7:26 so, for myself, having made these observations for six years-I’ve never ever thought, Huh! I’m looking over curvature! So, my question to you Jesse is this-what do you think you’re seeing in these 9 minutes? Is this a spot you can access easily? Maybe try to get some stills of targets to compare displacement that you will see but might not understand is occurring without a control image.
> _4:41__ that’s not the horizon line unless you are creating a new reference point._ What do you mean that's not the horizon line? It sure looks like the TRUE WATER HORIZON line to me. It's a hard cutoff beyond which the surface cannot be seen. > _But also notice there at the focal point of your center of vision where the water apparently ends-there’s an electric looking white line of noise. See it?_ Yup, there's a little haze over the water. > _6:47__ What are the distances? What about the bluffs from earlier?_ Protection Island is at about 5 miles, and the land directly beyond Protection Island is about 15 miles roughly. For the rest, open up google earth and search for Port WIlliams Sequim and measure whatever distances you want. > _7:26 so, for myself, having made these observations for six years-I’ve never ever thought, Huh! I’m looking over curvature! So, my question to you Jesse is this-what do you think you’re seeing in these 9 minutes?_ It is EXACTLY what we would see on a globe. I know not all temperature conditions yield EXACTLY what we would see on a globe - but on this day it was a textbook ideal day: The horizon drop was exactly what it should be, the distance to the horizon was exactly what it should be, and the bottom up obstruction was just right too. > _Is this a spot you can access easily?_ It's a 15 minute drive each way. It was only like 7 minutes before I moved. > _Maybe try to get some stills of targets to compare displacement that you will see but might not understand is occurring without a control image._ I've gotten all the other types of photos too with stuff appearing lifted up above eye-level when it is geometrically below eye-level.
Okay I will be on fed tomorrow. Very good line of sights
I’m impressed on how leveled is your camera. Meaning horizon stays mostly in the same position.
My DIY tripod head has a bubble level and a theodolite base hehe. czcams.com/video/4bkDMgNHxDk/video.html
Would you say the first mountain range you see behind the Dungeness peninsula is Mount Tuam and then the first hills you see after you started panning to the right could be the Henry Island Preserve at 56kms or Straut Island behind it at 65 kms?
I haven't looked into that.
That's a massive curve so close, wouldn't you think? 🤔
@@MaxWithoutPain i wouldn't call it massive. 5 mile horizon is about what we expect for a 15.5ft observer height, no?at least roughly ?
@@fromjesse 5 miles to that horizon sure, what about the drop ⤵️ over the horizon? Why does it dip so much for that short of a distance? Why do object that dip "over" the horizon remain leveled with the eye level or the horizontal line?
@@MaxWithoutPain I'm not sure what you're talking about. The dip looks to me like just about what we'd expect on a globe earth.
You can go on google maps and find the distance to the land beyond the island. Its not super close to the observer.
@@fromjesse I'm trying to figure out what the horizon is, as in a visual artistic perspective. I have doubts that it is because of a curve. If objects curved they wouldn't stay to the original level, because according to "gravity" objects that go over a curve supposed to level with the curve - they don't.
@@MaxWithoutPain The horizon is defined as the limiting circle of the surface beyond which you cannot see the surface.
Technically it is the intersection of the path of light and the surface of the water.
A horizon REQUIRES that at least either the light or the surface be non flat or not straight, because it requires that one of them intersects the other at a point and then diverge again. It could be curving light on a flat surface, straight light and a curving surface, or a combination of a curving surface and curving light that intersect at a point.
Two straight parallel lines cannot touch at just one point in the middle. One of them must curve. Laws of geometry says that.
Flat earth has no explanation for horizons.
Что тут происходит? Джесси, снова унижает жителей плоской земли? :)
Not intentionally. But I think observable reality tends to do that! We got the horizon drop, we got the bottom up obstruction, we got everything you'd expect from a globe!
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Both of these videos are black swans, how far is the buoy from your observation point? The horizon, according the sphere's math, must be, has to be, can not be any further than 4.9 miles away. I'm sure you don't know how far the buoy is, probably on purpose, you shouldn't even see it at all if it's more than 4.9 miles. That's 422 feet of missing curvature if I'm guessing right. How far are the buoys?
I've looked really hard at this video, many times now and I can't see any swans, black or otherwise.
Oh look, ALiarLikeMe still posting FE BS after all these years. Flerfs never get tired of lying.
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> _Both of these videos are black swans_
They are black swans against flat earth. They are not possible on a flat earth :D
> _how far is the buoy from your observation point?_
I didn't even know that buoy was out there till I saw it in the camera! There was a couple of them. I don't know how far they are. However, I do give my observer location and I tell you when I'm pointing at the tip of Dungeness Spit so maybe you can work it out, and next time I'm out there maybe I can measure exact angles to them and we can figure it out!
> _The horizon, according the sphere's math, must be, has to be, can not be any further than 4.9 miles away_
Yeah, 4.9 to 5. Remember, light DOES bend towards the more dense region in a gradient, and air IS at a greater pressure at lower level, so this WOULD extend the horizon a little.
But anyway, Protection island IS at about 5 miles and DOES appear right at the horizon.
> _I'm sure you don't know how far the buoy is, probably on purpose,_
LOL. You're silly :D I give my location and tell you where I'm pointing the camera, why don't you go look on public websites and try to figure out what buoys those are? Every buoy has an ID number and published Coordinates.
> _you shouldn't even see it at all if it's more than 4.9 miles._
Well, when the air is warmer than the water it can intensify the refraction and allow one to see way too far. But I don't think that was happening this day in this region. This isn't California :D
> _That's 422 feet of missing curvature if I'm guessing right._
How do you figure? I think you forgot to take into account observer height of 15.5 feet. Try your maths again :D
> _How far are the buoys?_
I don't know but I gave you my observer location and approximate angle to the buoys so have fun and see if you can figure it out!
> _How far are the buoys?_
If you look near the end of the Dungeness Spit on this boaters map, you will see TWO buoys near the end of it -- so the distance is probably around 7 miles. That's why some of the bottom of them is cut off - they are channel markers and are there so that ships can see them from a long distance to help guide them into the channel at night.
www.usharbors.com/harbor/washington/dungeness-wa/map/
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I'll second that!
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Maybe an NDR filter would clear up your footage next time. Any thoughts on that ship you saw? How far away it is? What about meteorological profile?
I would consider this an example of extension(or, looming). Since there is no curve, looming is a misnomer; hence, “extending the floor,” Is a more appropriate term.
Pathological denial of reality is a more appropriate term for FE believers.
Globe confirmed 💯 🌎
I don't think an ND filter would have helped. All they do is reduce light a certain percentage. I had the exposure correct. There was just very low contrast at 15 miles that day.
I have no information on the ship, and no information on the met. I could tell you that it was cool and very breezy but I won't tell you that since I didn't measure that with an instrument.
What do you consider to be extension/looming about this? I measured the angle to be -0.065139 below eye-level and at 5 miles which is EXACTLY where the globe model says it should be.
The horizon line was BELOW eye-level. Nothing was distorted out of it's correct width-height ratio. What exactly do you suppose was extension/looming?
If earth was flat, the horizon was dropped DOWN to match the globe. Why would a DROPPED DOWN horizon cause bottom up obstruction?
Travis - are you in a weird competition for the dumbest comments on CZcams? If so, this one is a winning candidate 👍
4:41 that’s not the horizon line unless you are creating a new reference point.
But also notice there at the focal point of your center of vision where the water apparently ends-there’s an electric looking white line of noise. See it?
6:47
What are the distances? What about the bluffs from earlier?
7:26 so, for myself, having made these observations for six years-I’ve never ever thought, Huh! I’m looking over curvature!
So, my question to you Jesse is this-what do you think you’re seeing in these 9 minutes?
Is this a spot you can access easily? Maybe try to get some stills of targets to compare displacement that you will see but might not understand is occurring without a control image.
> _4:41__ that’s not the horizon line unless you are creating a new reference point._
What do you mean that's not the horizon line? It sure looks like the TRUE WATER HORIZON line to me. It's a hard cutoff beyond which the surface cannot be seen.
> _But also notice there at the focal point of your center of vision where the water apparently ends-there’s an electric looking white line of noise. See it?_
Yup, there's a little haze over the water.
> _6:47__ What are the distances? What about the bluffs from earlier?_
Protection Island is at about 5 miles, and the land directly beyond Protection Island is about 15 miles roughly.
For the rest, open up google earth and search for Port WIlliams Sequim and measure whatever distances you want.
> _7:26 so, for myself, having made these observations for six years-I’ve never ever thought, Huh! I’m looking over curvature!
So, my question to you Jesse is this-what do you think you’re seeing in these 9 minutes?_
It is EXACTLY what we would see on a globe. I know not all temperature conditions yield EXACTLY what we would see on a globe - but on this day it was a textbook ideal day:
The horizon drop was exactly what it should be, the distance to the horizon was exactly what it should be, and the bottom up obstruction was just right too.
> _Is this a spot you can access easily?_
It's a 15 minute drive each way. It was only like 7 minutes before I moved.
> _Maybe try to get some stills of targets to compare displacement that you will see but might not understand is occurring without a control image._
I've gotten all the other types of photos too with stuff appearing lifted up above eye-level when it is geometrically below eye-level.
The average IQ of entire east coast of the United States is a full point lower because you live there, Travis🙄
#flat lol
haha hey buddy! How's it going?