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One thing overframe really needs to change is they don’t reset the tier list placement. So older frames will be take a long time to update to there modern placement.
The biggest problem with the site tbh. They have filters for builds based on update number, they should really do the same for the tiers. Some of the best and most broken incarnons are still in lower tiers.
Also every now and then reworks throw the tier list out of the water, like for instance Hydroid is still on the bottom list even after rework
@@DawnAfternoon yep it’s gonna take a few years for hydroid to get to his proper placement Zephyr is still climbing up
This can be seen in the other tier lists with incarnon weapons. Things like the latron prime and torid are on A tier, and the ceramic dagger is in B tier. IMO they should erase all votes for what tier something is in whenever something changes significantly.
IMHO a fair way would be to only show votes cast in the last x months (say 6 or 12), maybe with some option to also see older data on demand
Their list is based on votes ppl cast on builds, is not a tier list per-se, is more like a popularity list.
That so @#$%ing stupid
Overframe is presents it as a tier list and explicitly says the characters higher up are stronger.
It's dumb and deserves criticism whichever way you look at it.
This doesn't help, it's still overframe, I only go on here when I wanna be offended of have a good chuckle at some of the batshit stuff that's on there
That's not true, for builds you can only vote with a thums up (that part is a popularity contest), for the tier lists you can vote S-D for the weapon/frame. The main problem with the site is that it's outdated. If they only considered votes that were less than say 6-12 month old it might actually be a decent list (assuming they also reset votes for frames after a major rework).
can't be
Overframe tierlists are like aged tierlists from 2 years ago but with random peaks of sanity and self-awareness from a modern tierlist tearing through
longer than 2 years ago. they still have helios in s despite the fact the entire reason to equip it was removed 3 years ago.
Why? What changed?
@AziSlays getting scans w/o doing anything is nice tho
@@rabiithous3 But that doesnt put it at S tier though.
@@RafaelSilva-qz3os The only reason people equipped Helios was for the gladiator mods to buff melee
When Xoris got mentioned and he said "People don't know what the heavy attack button is and that's okay." I felt that in my soul. Been using a Xoris build that just deletes rooms and love it.
I agree it’s good but it just feels so bad to me
@@ethanbo-bethan4893 Long story short corrupted charge + arcane influence makes it an infinite yeet and delete machine.
@@lewiskazzamo230not to mention you can do some funny stuff with Melee arcanes and Tennokai
xoris my beloved
Me over here abusing melee guidance and having a permanent 12x combo on my Xoris and Glaive Prime
Are we shitting on Overframe? Hold on, let me get some popcorn.
What's so bad about Overframe?
An overwhelming number of the builds featured on it are either untested or overly complex for marginal benefit. The tiers they have are a pure popularity contest wherein the votes don't get reset at any point, causing some anomalies like the reworked Hydroid being at the bottom of B tier (a rework widely agreed to have made him a full rival to Styanax and Kullervo in terms of power), or Vauban (a frame in dire need of help in the current metagame)@@ordgaming4189
@@ordgaming4189From another comment, which makes sense imo: "Their list is based on votes ppl cast on builds, is not a tier list per-se, is more like a popularity list."
And popular doesn't always mean good.
@@ordgaming4189their builds are popularity contests. If a building from a certain handful of people then nobody cares and if it's from one of those people and terrible it will still get liked and up voted like crazy
@@VideoKingistpopularity list isn't inherently the problem here, it's the fact that they don't reset the votes on the frames after major reworks or game-changing augments. Hydroid is still one of the lowest on the tierlist from before his rework, for example.
The main issue with Overframe is that it basically snapshots a Warframe or weapon's placement as it was on release. It doesn't account for things like reworks or new mechanics and tools, thus many of the things you see here are drastically out of date.
Please let this be a prelude to your tier list
Mag being b tier is an absolute joke. She has one of the easiest to use mass armor strips, can delete damn near anything with her 2, has two abilities that can constantly refresh shield gate, and all of her augments and abilities are viable picks.
The 90 hour void survival video alone can attest to this.
Mag is absolutely amazing provided the player isn't lazy. Problem is most players wanna just hit one button and do the not-die
Mag is a god. Only problem I have with her is her 2 not always working on ragdolled enemies.
@@NickHunterthat’s no reason to call a frame B tier
@@SlideStep_I AGREE SM if you could 1 and 2 back to back she would be even more busted. but you have to wait for them to stand up it’s bogus
@Nickahunter Granted the player isnt lazy have you not seen the 90+hour video mentioned the dude was incredibly lazy lol (you legit just spam bubble you don't need a single other ability just br carefully when walking up or using pull to get the drops)
Gotta love community votes that dont get reset ever.
Have I mentioned recently that I adore Righteous Anger Zime? He's one of my favourite Zimes, second only to this, Bewildered And Mad About It Zime.
make sure to zip up when you’re done
Silence also turns off and negates eximus abilities for those who don't know.
Yeah my advocate for silence is a modified build from life water from like 6 years ago of silence night equinox for lvl cap disruption you become literally the best supporter for the team as you unintentionally lock down rooms before you decide to lock them down yourself. Also you can solo with it but it is difficult then you just throw on naramon and a decent melee and just run to demo's it's not hard
As someone who doesn't use Rolling Guard or Augur mods/Brief Respite and no crowd-controlling ability, I don't think I will ever slot Silence. I only use Vazarin Protective Sling to survive level cap so I'm better off with other buffs.
@@6ghoul9 I mean that's entirely fair, I don't use Sheild gate meta or rolling guard either, I was honestly just dropping the little tidbit of info for those that genuinely didn't know it had that little perk.
Like there's still folks that don't know that well of life negates status for anyone in its potential circulus sized radius, and that it's shoot to heal effect is considerably wider than it's heal radius.
Eximus abilities don't matter when u can just 1 shot them 😎
@@padarousou Fair enough, kinda depends on their level though frankly. If I'm 3-4 hours into circulus, they start to survive depending on the weapon I'm using as frankly my weapons that 1-tap everything aren't always the most fun to me, gets a bit stale.
i mostly ignore the community side of overframe, but it actually has really fantastic tools and UI to plan builds ahead of time.
I dont understand what issues Mag has keeping her from high A or low S in Brozime's eyes. She has AoE armor strip, a "replenish all shield" button, massive crowd control, multiple was to disarm and/or stop enemies from shooting her, and she has cheap grouping that balls enemies up infront of you. Seriously, max range pull next to a ledge watch how you insta kill a whole tile for 25 energy. And bubble works on eximus so even if pull doesnt effect them they cant shoot you. She literally only has one weakness: toxin. But again use bubble and enemies shoot themselves. What game mode is she bad at?
He said Gara is better than Mag🤣
@@stefanlewis7773 Yeah, I liked Gara but I wouldn't say she is over all better than Mag. Maybe it's a skill issue. Mag provides a lot of opportunities for skill expression but if you are just looking to casually kill with no care for maintaining your EHP then Mag might require too much thinking for most people.
@@stefanlewis7773he’s old his time on Warframe is quite over so his opinions on things are always gunna be bad
@@piplupp6059 being old doesn't automatically mean he's out of touch. He plays this game more than anyone
dropping enemies off ledges doesn't give you loot from them, which is what you kill enemies for
mag is fine but other frames can group up enemies and kill them better than mag can with less clunk, see: zephyr. he says she's perfectly serviceable, which she is. gara instant wins any "defend this thing" or "stay in one area" objectives, which are most objectives and is also basically full invuln the whole time, so she has notably more "meta relevance", hence a higher tier placement
If I have to guess, it's people just voting for frames they like. Most warframe players aren't that analytical about what is most optimal. Even in higher MR. You have to remember that *vast* majority regular of players don't know how to put together a playable build without looking at something like overframe.
Yes, but that's not the *main* issue here.
The main issue is that they never reset the rankings of the tierlist with big reworks, buffs/nerfs, or game-changing augments, so a Warframe that is bad when it's released will stay low on the list even if it's been reworked (hydroid being a great example).
They don't vote what they like per say its how they rate overrated builds of each character they try so first they need the character want to make it good invest into this trash build some random person made dislike the build or think this bad build is good and rate the build they tried and if you look at top rated builds on warframe you still see nikana prime with viral built in on those types of builds
In the codex, Voidrig and Bonewidow are portrayed among the frames. I get it, until they make an apart category for cornbots.
I wish they can added more mech with different play styles and can be more usability other then open world and railjack mission
Watched this on the stream. There are definitely some interesting artifacts of how the scoring is done, but it's also nice to hear Brozime give quick opinions on things as he works through it.
Limbo and Loki have been hanging out in B tier since 2017 when they were good and they just never actually left the club, so the bouncer wasn't ever able to tell them to go to C where they belong when they try to come back inside.
Chroma is doing the same in A tier, except instead of just hanging out and casually reminiscing he's been drinking himself to death as he watches everything he was ever good at slip away from him, and the bartender just feels too sorry to cut him off.
Hildryn is intentionally in B so that she can hang out with Hydroid and Garuda who got denied entry to A because the bouncer didn't trust their ID, because being in the cool kids club with * checks notes * fucking Vauban and Lavos means nothing to her.
Can you be any more gay?
I laughed at this for like 5 minutes @@InfamousTub
this is so true
You know what I hate about tier list? They're normally stupid and poorly thought out. You know what's worse? Brozime's takes on a lot of these frames.
Gotta be honest im not even regular on his videos but I saw he was gonna rant a tier list, but damn he does have some really bad takes on some frames
just hearing him saying Qorvex does NOT belong in A tier is already a bad take.
Can someone please tell me why oberon should be at most below Excalibur? I’m looking at the kits and something just doesn’t add up
oberon, for a very long time, was my most played frame, but realistically his kit only holds up late with this smite augemnt for buffing purposes, which wisp can buff in similar ways but also more ways, and better. Excalibur, at least, has an exalted weapon, which can be made strong to some capacity, while oberons kit falls off a steeeeeeeeeeeeeep cliff at around level 60, generally, even with forma@@hardluckmk.52
Fr Vauban is one of the strongest frames in the game this guy was def on crack
Zephyr doesnt get played because the things that make her strong don't fit the fantasy of the frame. Grouping up enemies and shooting at tornados doesnt really capture the feeling of flying through the air that she was pitched on, especially with titania sucking all the air out of the room.
Bad zephyr players be sitting on the ground. They forget they have aimglide and instant float ability.
@@ifeawosika966 most builds subsume the first so that half is down and the lazy one sthat sit on the ground are normally the zephyr mains that have their favorite tornado shooting weapon so they don't need the crit
I just don't use zephyr too much as I have energy issues on her as my luck can go 20 mins with no orb and haven't spent loads of time and forma making her viable yet I think that's a problem for a few people as the character doesn't give a edge for a goal as others do so less warrented for progressing than a weapon for example
@@Cod__Fish I recently changed my build to add energy nexus. Nourish makes it so much sweeter. Btw i run speed build zephyr.
@@ifeawosika966 yeah I think the last thing I did was test nexus for it tbh this was a bad time to start on some I recently got every prime in the game (just before guass and I haven't played since his release so without that one) and reset all builds as I only had like 8 builds that were updated since before sagath shield gate so most weren't usable I even had some from like 2016 and prime release builds so when I return to the game I'll make a build I think
I don't know who needs to hear this, but with only an 18 forma investment and a couple Umbrals, Sevagoth can totally be low A-tier contender. :)
:D Best comment on this entire thread, easy
with only a 100 forma investment and all of his abilities replaced by revenants, caliban can contend with S tiers
Wdym rev has 1 truly good ability the others are a bad volt 4, bad movement (that people somehow like apparently) and a few weak dudes to draw fire caliban is literally nekros just worse the ai summons the strip the survivability (through the strip its a 2 for 1 package deal can be 3 for 1 with augment being gloom) what else usable does caliban do i cant think of anything.(also caliban cant punch people to life so 100% superior lol)@@chokonnit7337
💀 if sev prime comes out im gonna end myself
@@i_fuze_hostages6 coming out sometime this year. rest in peace lil bro
Its such a pleasant moment after all these years of loving Zephyr to hear Zime going to bat for her so violently now
Thank you for saying that about Hildryn. I thought I was the insane one looking at this tier list. Plus I never see other Hildryns anymore.
It would be nice if you reviewed some top voted builds on frames/weapons. There are some outrageous ones out there and every newbie steered off them is a big win.
The main problem is that a lot of them are simply outdated
The only one's that get frequent updates are one's that are currently meta or just plain popular
Otherwise, the highest voted build will always be from 2-4 years ago
@@vizor4067 Oh I know, but that's not something a new player will know, they'll just google "... build", get served Overframe and see the top rated build with 2000+ votes and just go with that
I always like your vids but after watching your Vauban vid recently, I feel like that’s the one you missed the mark on most. Differences of opinion are fine but it seems like you don’t understand his kit fully. For example, his flechette orb can be buffed like a weapon and its damage calculation scales with enemy level, everything dies.
He’s not S tier even though I like him but he’s better than you give him credit for. He’s like, the closest we have to a control frame. The Temu Protea.
Honestly I wouldn't even say Temu Protea, just side grade Protea, in my experience she has her own problems, mostly on relying on spamming hundreds of shield orbs in order to stay alive in higher level stuff, but Vauban is at least only slightly below her in terms of what he can do most of the time. Biggest problems I can say is he has less survivability solely because he can't spam instant shield gates and a good portion of his kit is definitely underpowered (bounce pad was honestly a loss for the community and boost pad is not a worthy enough successor, even for memes)
I'd say the same, I was very much a Vauban main and made it to the new war with little to no problem, once you get to kuva fortress/lua it's harder to continue with him but up until that point he's still a perfectly fun frame to play.
Stop sleeping on mag! Nothing survives my magnetize. Full sheilds whenever with polarize, oversheilds with crush & pull is just hilariously fun.
Mag is amazeballs. Pull is amazing. Try swapping out pull for Airburst. Gives you the option of pull (or push :D ) and at range :)
People just don't realize her potential same as equinox
@newbplaygames tell me your use case for equinox, just never clicked with me. I know mend and maim & rest and rage are good abilities but I just don't know how to make it work on a fun level
you really can't make a starter warframe supper op, Mag is balanced, but is low A tier
@@matowakan oh it is high A she is not super overpowered like others
Mag is an easy A-tier frame, what are you on about ? She has an armour strip, very good CC, shield restore, overshields and is nigh on unkillable with the shield gate changes, if you play her correctly. She's easily the best starter frame and outranks Excal by a lot, She ranks no less than Hildryn for me.
Agreed. It always makes me laugh when I see people not rate her very high. I don't know if the opinion that she's not good is a holdover from when her 1 was an absolute joke.
Fracturing Crush + Corrosive Projection means you only have to invest a little bit into Ability Strength (115%) to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. You put Breach Surge on her and SHIT GOES OFF.
You gotta remember, it needs to be meta for him to actually like
Agreed, i got very lucky early game to have someone gift me a full mag prime set and she’s great. (Though need some tips on how to mod her and whats worth putting on since im just about to finally finish the starchart so im still relatively new)
@@benjamindesmarais1221 Okay, with Mag, the aim is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. If you use Corrosive Projection as your aura mod and the Fracturing Crush augment, all you need is 115% Ability Strength to get it.
I'm also using Breach Surge in place of her 3. You can replace her 1 but I find Pull far too useful.
My build is as follows:
Corrosive Projection
Power Drift
Primed Continuity
Streamline
Primed Flow
Fracturing Crush
Fleeting Expertise
Rolling Guard
Stretch
Natural Talent
Arcane Energise
Molt Efficiency
Archon Shards are completely up to you but I would advise two Amber Shards for Casting Speed. It helps you use Crush a lot faster.
Inb4 someone sees this build and absolutely shits on it. Such is Warframe.
@@benjamindesmarais1221 I posted by build to you but CZcams has deleted my comment so I'll have to type it again. 😅
Okay, so the objective is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. With Corrosive Projection and Fracturing Crush, you only need 115% Ability Strength to do so. Having 115% AS results in something like an 86% armour strip, with Corrosive Projection on top, that's 100%.
I'm using Breach Surge in place of her 3. Strip Armour, Magnetise, Breach Surge, watch shit go crazy.
My build is as follows:
Corrosive Projection
Power Drift
Primed Continuity
Streamline
Primed Flow
Fracturing Crush
Fleeting Expertise
Rolling Guard
Stretch
Natural Talent
Arcane Energize
Molt Efficiency
Use any Archon Shards you like, but I advise 2 Amber for Casting Speed, just to get Crush out faster. If you do Crimson, you don't need to do Ability Strength as what's already on the build is enough. You could do Shields, Armour, or Health. Even Max Energy is a good option. It's up to you.
Man, i can't believe i missed this stream. Imma go watch the vod
Disagree on the Vauban comments Brozime. Vauban has been featured in many 9999 level videos over the last three years and is one of the few really sleeper FUN frames that don't have zoomies or some hyper aggressive scaling stat gimmicks.
Vauban AND zephyr are criminally under played and they both basically do similar things. Both can crowd control and group enemies. Both have scaling damage components from tornado inheritance to vaubans ability to strip + turret. Both provide meaningful utility to the team. Years ago I did prodman with Vauban and I never really fell off "this was before SP." Vauban just needs accessibility just as zephyr.
I agree. bro in the video was smoking some crack
I got Vauban before I took a years long break, he was waiting for me in my forge. I like him but having to switch the 2 ability around is kinda annoying, I just want the shooting ball and the buff, the speed pad feels useless.
Brozime giving us Zephyr players the love we deserve
My disgust as a revenant main seeing fucking Voidrig placed above my boy. It's a visual visceral betrayal.
Relax man. Revenant right now is ranked 1st out of 55 Warframes while Voidrig is ranked 1st out of 2 cornbots.
lavos is actually really good when built right, yes he has cooldowns but i use him for facetanking so much for just casually playing the game. not having to worry about dying is great even in sp
This was great. It made me think if their was a riven tier list it would break me based on some of what i have seen on the market.
Vauban's better than you give him 'Zime.
no he isn't. Much as I'd love him to be
@@NickHunter you simply play bad then.
FROST BETTER THAN MAG!?!?! RAAAAAH
Reasons why we don’t listen to CZcamsrs lol cause he smoking some strong shit with that statement
mag is the most underrated warframe in the game
Silence is good insurance on frames that could get wrekt by Violence, like Valkyr and Limbo. It also stops Thrax and some other enemies from doing the moves that make them temporarily invincible, so it helps you kill faster on select missions.
Its good on many more than that from interactions also I've seen rhino's use it sometimes I think they have some loss issues with the losing of their overguard. But there is a vid like 6 years old of life water doing a equinox night with silence on lvl cap as support with a few alterations it still works and you are the best support as you can sleep and stun the whole map give people more shield gate that can help at times and shut down violence so everyone doesn't get 1 shot when they didn't know he spawned yet
I still use silence with its subsume to level up frames on adaro thanks to the sneak affinity multiplier. Silence is thus by far my most subsumed ability, but it does not mean I use it in actual real content. That can explain its weird position in this table
@@lady2005du01 the main reason of it being here is silence was the old gloom before tempestarii everyone subsumed silence on everyone especially those like Ash and them because it was a decent range cc that stops them shooting at you a little bit instead of slow it stuns and especially before shield gate was a bigger thing silence was always used by people that was somewhere around like 3 years ago silence is amazing especially with any slow and cordon/magnetic melee arcane grouping if you use lower range. Its never been a better time to use it but people dont understand it anymore. (I find it funny that one meta build at one point was silence atlas and it still is super broken but no one knows of it its the same now but better and even the rumbled augment was sometimes used with it back then)
I love the way Brozime defends some of the frames, its just so funny
Brozime dogging on vauban without any reason told me all I needed to know about his vauban knowledge
He’s insane if he’s built properly
Vauban is F tier. Maybe E tier if I want to be really generous because at least vortex can be useful once in a blue moon.
@@DaShikuXI tells us everything we need to know about your Vauban knowledge
@@kinsan89 Keep dreaming man, keep dreaming.
They're right though. You just don't know shit about his kit and interactions with arcanes with flechette. You're just confidently incorrect.@@DaShikuXI
I must say I don't agree with lavos and Vauban. I get plenty of use out of both of them even in higher level content. I get through sanctum anatomica stuff fast when solo with lavos even though I agree his ability damage isn't the most insane thing ever because he has pretty great tanking and still can at least debuff people with any status you can think of. And Vauban regularly carries me with abilities alone in the steel path circuit. Having a good weapon to deal with CC immune things is obviously good but he can armor strip with Bastille, CC hard with that, vortex and arguably the 1, and deal big damage with his flechette orbs. Even if his entire kit isn't insane I don't dare count him or Lavos as anything under B tier. And as a side note I only agree with Limbo being lower because the wacky shit he can do does require a lot of micromanagement to sustain, much less live through, but he's still far from D in my eyes, and leveling up sevagoth while spamming void fissures for ducats this weekend makes me view him as perfectly fine honestly, he's certainly not amazing and i'd probably need to do a lot more than what i've got now to keep him aalive and thriving in steel path but even then, at least with his augment, he wasn't completely useless. Worth keeping around as opposed to helminthing one and selling the other i've got.
I agree about Lavos. He's not an A-tier frame, but what he said about him just isn't true. Saying his damage is bad, like, just no. He has really high damage, it's just people don't know how to build him. And he's an absolute tank. Lavos can easily hang with some of the top frames in the toughest content, IMO.
Could he use a rework? Definitely. I have some ideas how DE could rework him to bring out the best. Personally, I think Condition Overload should apply to his whole kit, not just Catalyse. I also think something like killing enemies effected by status should reduce his CDs, and perhaps an Ability Strength buff when he picks up Energy Orbs. Casting Speed is fine on his abilities, but I wish they traveled faster once they were cast. Lastly, Catalyse should be spherical.
Yeah I'm side-eyeing the Vauban comments myself. Sounds like he hasn't really used Vauban for a while or is prejudiced from his pre-rework experience, cause he absolutely slaps the shit out pretty much any horde mode content like SP circuit in my experience (not as good as Saryn but still, it's a different kind of playstyle). I can easy solo most of it with the combo of vortex and orbital if I get even moderately okay decrees.
Now that you spell it out like that yeah, he seems to be complaining about people having not used certain frames in years and yet it feels as though he hasn't even tried to explore vauban's potential since he got reworked.
@@jaeriko4395 And any good frame can solo no mater the decrees
damn i loved this roasting format xD
I do like the builds on the site, but they definitely need to try and reset some of the placements in a situation where warframes get reworked or fixed up.
Regarding the first one, Necramech also VAPORIZES in steel path and necracells because you can't cast it's iron skin, so you get killed in a few seconds. Not even debatable how bad voidrig is in high level content.
He's considering to be glass cannon insanely strong yet weak defence
Brozime is too harsh on Vauban. Not saying hes a A or anything but In a game with objectives that involve holding a point vortex is pretty amazing. Huge aoe, infinite duration, perma stun and brings the enemies into one handy pile for killing
Yep. Disruption, def, excavation, netracells, survival, boss fights, you name it. Basically anything except exterminate, spy and rescue. And he can do those with little to no risk of dying, just slower
He also forgets that he can armor strip and he has flexhette orbs, and if youve never used it then start using it, probably the strongest ability in the game for flat out damage
Eximus units say hi
@@330DKNY They get Bastille armor strip too. As almost any CC, eximus require you shooting at them. That's it.
@@330DKNY also even then flachette orbs do decent damage against the overguard on them it isnt offcourse the best way to deal with them but it does far better then most frames abilities for damage
Vauban is good with his control and grenades, which adapt to the enemy's level (that is, he does not depend on the weapon, since it is enough to throw a couple of grenades). About Tesla-nervos: a good ability that gives control and (with augment) damage distribution across the zone (hello kullervo). In addition, it gives you the opportunity to use it to get the archon stretching bonus (hello dispensary). I am silent about the fact that Vauban can remove the armor of enemies. As a result, a universal frame that can effectively stand on 90% of missions. And his first ability is a combination of the abilities of the other two warframes + it has stun.
I still refer to their tier list in regard to popularity like who to grind prime sets for to sell. But it feels more like a popularity contest than an objective take on frame capability.
I rather look at an overframe tier list than Brozime. At least overframe has people who knows what a warframe’s kit can do
Mag b tier would be a crime
Enjoyed it a lot lmao you should do the weapon tier list for next video.
Really enjoyed Brozime's personality coming through on this one
Vauban is trash? You should really have another look at him.
With the spectrorage augment he ensures your team will never run out of energy.
He's also a great pick for circuit with flachette dealing millions of dmg.
I agree he's not trash, but he's C at best nonetheless.
What you have to consider with tier lists is "what can do what this does but better?" and in vaubans case a lot of warframes can do better. Any Warframe can equip spectrorage, and many can do more than enough damage for the circuit.
To name one, Styanax can provide massive energy regen to his whole team constantly, do insane damage that scales up to level cap in sp circuit, while also making the team functionally invulnerable with his augment - and that's only 2 of his abilities.
Rating a frame is their own abilities
@@technoviking2415 This. Please for the love of god this. Saying a warframe is amazing once you helminth x and archon shard y is moving into unrateable territory!
@@NickHunter why not? It’s an option open to everyone so it should be considered for the list
Is he still going to make his own tier list for this year?
Yes
@@Brozime Def looking forward to it, just came since before Duviri personally. It would be nice if your best build for each is shown, but god it'd be a long vid.
He says it in the vid. He's just waiting for use rate stats
@@realhumanbean7915 Ah thanks! I must've missed it
@@Brozimecan you take a look at protea before the video as it is a higher tier frame that I think has changed to be a lot more complicated recently and I think you misunderstood from this video
I love how i haven't played this game in years but the tier list is fundamentally the same.
This is so funny, I was on Overframe just yesterday saying out loud "What the hell are they thinking?" looking at these rankins and here's a video on "What the hell are they thinking" while looking at these rankings. Rofl.
If it isn't brainless 1 tap nuking, Warframe players don't want it
Vauban was revenant's +1, that's why they didn't let revenant in S tier
Vauban is very good. Brozime is just a noob filled with cockiness.
@@1HeatWalkVauban is insanely good for people who know how to play the game outside of meta
@@kinsan89I implore you to look up what the acronym META actually means - you basically just contradicted yourself.
But yeah, Vauban is fine, most frames are playable, but he's not on the same level as other warframes.
Idk about zime's vitriol with vauban but as a guy with 36% of his playtime as the guy he's not of the worst but putting him in the same tier as nuke lord kullervo and revenant is ridiculous.
Also tesla bank is not a justification to put tesla nervos anywhere but d tier as a subsume option.
@@lj_aderyn ngl, I never even knew "meta" was an acronym when used in gaming, I thought it was just adopted in a different use compared to what the word would normally mean lol
you can find latesst tierlist at tiermaker. You can see how people voted. There is less votes, but at least they are up to date.
it really isnt confusing when you realize its just a tally of what people vote on. So most people arent going to come back after a nerf to downgrade their vote. Or come back after a rework. So resetting it would fix a lot of stuff. A popular warframe on release is going to still be highly weighted even after it falls long out of favor
what do you mean voruna is not A tier? she is amazing any basically any situation in my experience her ult can one shot steal path units in a aoe and she can be permanently invisible she can deal a huge amount of status damage to units aswell. the only weakness she had in my experience is her ult can take a min or 2 to get stacks on and some bosses she can not target. so I honestly don't know what u mean by she is clunky and is only good in a few situations
Voruna is indeed a one trick pony. Her one trick is to outdamage any other warframe with nervous, frantic melee gameplay. Just because Brozime doesn't like her playstyle doesn't make her bad, but warframe content creators do be like that.
voruna is actually really op she's just a bit squishy is all
@@sirzeus3324squishy?
I have zero issues and I have zero health mods, I use Arcane Blessing for her health.
Plus a yellow shard for health/energy Orbs and a purple shard that works like equilibrium.
She's not squishy at all with that. I think her rating is based on playstyle which can be a bit clunky.
But She's all sorts of warcrimes if you build her right.
THANK YOU I have not once been out damaged in any lobby unless its a map wipe saryn, on voruna with ceramic dagger incar and wrathful advance. shes legit insane
@@marcmichaud1643 do you have combat discipline in her build?
@@dokuromarshall6629 I have a build with Combat Disipline, I've got 4 Voruna Builds lol
The funny thing about the Hydroid ranking is that I believe it actually is a recent upgrade in placement. The last I remember, he used to be in the D tier, he never used to be in B before the rework. So there was some vote for Hydroid and people still thought he was gonna be ranked lower than he should be lmao
Its true he got upgraded in rank like grendel but the way that system works it takes a long time for the rank to change as people need to make a build with the character (for ones like them 2 they normally would only be made as prime so thats a harder challenge) and then they have to make a build someone posted most builds on the site are trash made by people that dont know how the character works and on all of that the rating on the bad build is taken as the vote but every rating since the character was made is still their so tilting the votes when ther was like 5-3 years of rank d votes on them with the time after rework takes awhile. I hopr that helps you understand the system it uses a bit more
Best Brozime video in a hot minute, hilarious
Vauban slander will not be tolerated, i love making meat planets with his 4 max range
Vauban and Limbo get way too much hate
Mag in B tier? Garuda better than Mag? I need what this guy is smoking 💀😭
Don’t underestimate Garuda tho, for me she’s easily a high A if not arguably a S tier frame
Garuda is a solid A tier like Gara, There are warframe that do what mag does but better
@@matowakan There isn't, actually. Mag is more unique in what she does, and her augments are among the best in the game. Yeah, sure, you can draw parallels between her and other frames, but they don't do the same thing.
@@Dubulcle A weapons platform that can armorstrip, survive and has some cc?
@@matowakan Not in the same way, especially considering how her abilities and augments work. I genuinely don't get what your point is.
I just started a few weeks ago now but vaubaun has been incredible in the earlier stages of the game.
100%, voidrig is there because internally (as in on the website) it's a warframe so they can use the same health/eHP/ability stats calcs for both frames and necramechs, but they neglected to add a flag to each warframe/necramech that says "hey are you a warframe? yes? into the tier list you go!"
Also why are the New War weapons spoilered, but the Grimoire (from a main story quest AFTER new war) isn't???
The tier list def feels like a casual player view of most frames
Well most Warframe players are indeed casual players and there's nothing wrong about it. So casual tier list makes sense. Also, most builds placed on over frame are done by casual players.
@@user-xb7qk3nx2j that'd be fine if it was just called a casual frame review or popularity test instead of Tier list, because calling tier list means and inplies that some are better than others and it might be misleading for some players, and tier list should be based on facts not opinions, because something being good and bad can be proven.
@@greytestgrey3837 Everything is subjective though. If you just want to stand in a corner and press a button x frame is best for that. If you actually want to utilise the insane movement system and reach a kind of skill ceiling the tier list changes again. Both are facts for both mindsets
@@NickHunter everything is subjective? Damn, then cigarette dont actually give cancer then, ive been lied. If you watch tier list, you commonly see that the best character are at the top and oftenly they are the ones that requiere the least skill and provide the biggest benefits, thats why they are at the top, of course you can make and jump a lot of stuff to make something work, but it still doesnt make it good, is loki good? No, but he can turn invisible and thats goos, but the whole frame set and abilites are underwhelming and dont pair well with eachother, thats why its set lower in tierlist, compared to octavia, who also turns invisible and also gives you like a million buffs, thats why octavia is high in tierlist
@@NickHunter everything is subjective??then i guess cancer isn't caused by excesive smoking, time to smoke. Tier list don't take in consideration skill, because in that case there is no point, because with enough skill you can make everything work. Tier list often have the best character on top because the best characters often take the less skill to use, if i turn invisible with loki and clear a SP mission that doesnt make the whole frame good, if it takes a lot of effore and jumping hoops to make something work then its bad or worse then the alternative, thats literally why technology evolves and updates.
Also skill is not mutualy exclusive to using a bad or a good frame, a good mesa will swoosh trough a mission and a bad mesa will be very slow and might even die from forggeting to use their 3.
So, you can use and make work a bad frame, but that wont make it good, just because you can run fast on four legs doesnt make it better than just running on two
Vauban has scaling damage with his flechette orb, Arcane Avenger can buff it, and his 4th does strip armor in a circle. I have a clan mate that likes using it.
Yeah finally someone who can see that the dmg cap orb does a bit of dmg sometimes nice and isn't useless. Plus he has the most built in cc in the game that can't be refuted shock on tesla the 4 is 2 types the chain to the ground purple one in his 2nds cycle and if you count it the pad that sends you moving in a direction you can legitimately place them on doors sending them out so they can't walk in your room
@@Cod__Fish does roar stack with flechette orb?
@@i_fuze_hostages6 I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure it does but I'd recommend nourish you get the energy that's nice but the flechette and vortex both get the little bit of viral dmg boost but they also can process viral. Also his passive 25%dmg whilst any enemy has any form of cc even cold slow that's multiplicative outer final multiplier dmg that is your roar. Edit: if you want to learn vauban the 2024 vauban by a vauban main video by proffesor dysto is probably the best video for normal stuff. Yet once you know all that stuff you can learn funny wierd interactions like dmg cap flechette
Il use orbex radiation abilty on vauban works very well because now i can Controll everyone at everytime i usaly dont die on Sp i can clear 20 hevy gunner within seconds with vortex and destreza prime i love fletched orb as aditional flat damage wich scales @@Cod__Fish
i dont know if he ever heard of the "low effort survival/defense farm"
Just to say it, I do be appreciating a vaubaun pulling up in eso
Lycath's Hunt is great on Khora and Atlas. Combined with equilibrium, I've got no energy issues. If you take Diriga or a status Cedo, you never even need to recast it. Outside of those use cases i don't think it's too useful, but it's so good for them that i thought it worth mentioning. I prefer it to Nourish because the health orbs spawns feel more consistent overall. I should test out Nourish with energy nexus to see if that's workable instead though
even a low strength nourish and energy nexus is an easy 17 energy each second which is more than enough.
@@kyrax9462 I'm sure it can produce a lot of energy. However, with Khora specifically, you're generally casting whipclaw nonstop, and you're not building her for much strength most of the time. Lycath's didn't depend on strength, and it's not likely to see a nerf in the future. Meanwhile, I'd be surprised to see Nourish stay in it's current state long term, at least not the Helminth version.
Gyre with an armor strip is a good way to get your friend to leave and make their own squad. She's pretty silly after she got the augment. A is fair for her now.
personally i put her at high B cause the investment to output ratio isn’t as good as i’d want compared to other frames
Gyre has too many problems to be A tier, but she's powerful with enough investment
@@matowakan Her only real problem is survivability, and Pillage solves that _and_ also acts as an easy strip. Gyre is undeniably A tier with pretty average investment.
@@underatededm93investment should NOT be your deciding factor for a warframe in a tierlist.
Gonna have to disagree with you on Mag. She's a nasty one. S-Tier hands down.
Same with Gyre. Hard to fit into A? Really? She's immortal with primed redirection shield gating and pillage and nukes entire tilesets.
Brozime has some iffy opinions.
@@NathanialSCoughtry Everyone is immortal with shield gating. Pillage isn't her ability. Bro always rates without taking helminth into consideration. Once you factor in helminth all warframes are impossible to rate
Nah my opinion she's belongs in high A
And I am mag mains
@NathanialSCoughtry Every frame can get into extremely high levels. What makes the other frames better than others is how easy it is to get them there. I.e it takes literally no effort to get revenant to high levels.
I always tell my friends never to look at just any if not any warframe tier list as there are so many builds and configurations you can make for a warframe to make most of them lore accurate in some way shape or form yes some are better than others, but it’s best to figure it out yourself rather than trusting someone with high bias, or a draw toward just pulling votes/views by extolling their mediocre input on any frame, sometimes having people that don’t even really play the game like that making these builds or videos, I feel there are only a handful of creators you can trust with tierlists if not less than a handful but that’s my take 🤷♂️
Bro got flash back of Frost killing him with the S tier frame during all that video.
Hold on, why are you shitting on Gyre? Gyre with Pillage is practically old World on Fire except Steel Path. I'd say she is A+, she only struggles against bosses with no one to pillage from like in the Whispers in the Walls missions.
I'd personally put Garuda in low B because I hate her play style, shes slow and clunky constantly priming people. I don't see what she brings other than Gloom and infinite energy for Gloom.
Mag is also an A frame IMO. Tons of survivablity with her 4 augment, group entire continents of people with her 1, and delete the toughest enemies in the game with Magnetize.
If Mag and Gyre aren't A half that list aren't A.
Also, Vauban would be amazing if his 4 didn't lift enemies. Bastille should be an AOE armor strip, the fact it doesn't armor strip rag-dolled enemies is THE worst part about him. Let me drop a vortex down, then a Bastille ontop, and drop a nail turret under the Vortex. That shit is insane with Nourish. His nail turrets with Nourish hit for over 1million damage. His problem is that his best ability Vortex prevents him from stripping armor.
Gyre absolutely requires both Pillage and her 4 augment to merely be functional and still has survival problems and can’t handle content where other good Warframes are getting kills
Absolutely have to disagree on the garuda part. Okay sure its your opinion that u dont like the playstyle, but you’re only talking about 1 build (gloom) while there are countless builds out there that make her great and fun to play. Especially if u subsume nourish over her 2. Makes nuking every room really easy and primes everything if u want to use another weapon
i like vauban so cope and seethe actually while the bastillebros and i do le funny suck and flechette orb
I use this list as a genral tool but its really just a favorite list
Disagree with Voruna being "too high" now with archon shards she sits comfortably at A tier. Though the commentary was very charismatic added with the classy jazz.
Tier lists can't be judged factoring in Archon shards. The same benefits the shards bring apply to all frames. If she's shit without them then she's shit, end of
So when is the real tier list? I need a good laugh when you place Vauban in D for not having armour strip, endless energy, and little instakillah defense nodes and the like.
Not sure why you hate the old boy so much but it is hilarious to hear you go off on him.
"Not sure why you hate the old boy so much". Because Vauban is garbage and has been for years.
He DOES have armor strip is the best part, it even works on units that aren't actively being lifted by his 4
The armour strip needs strength on a frame that doesn’t need it. He is immensely godlike in Circuit because he gets that power strength without needing to build it. That orb be sending Thrax units straight to their king.
@@Kilesfactor Vauban SLAPS in Circuit
Then again, Circuit is powercrept so hard that someone who just unlocked SP can easily hit level cap as long as they've done some intrinsic grinding in normal mode lol
@@kinsan89 I haven’t even did level cap and I’m legardary 3, who the fuck is doing that shit for real
Looking at voidrig on the tierlist: blud thinks he's part of the squad
Out of the 2 voidrigs, the OG is the best due to its 4th ability lol
That's my opinion.
Voruna spam 3-1-2-1-2-1-2. Can be a bit tricky if random statuses she spreads are cold magnetic puncture impact and toxin. But you can spam another jump and you're still invisible. Woks good with 3 archon mods for extra nuke but it's a bit squishy. Pairs well with Praedos and equilibrium mod works like charm. Dexterity arcanes are just made for her. Need some armor on the shards or sacrificy energy pool mod.
Also the 4 build is really good now after augment as they made her ability count as melle so it effects the other abilities
@@Cod__Fish her 4 strips all of the shield and half of the health from acolytes.
i looked and i could feel that this is like an oooolld snap shot valkyr you can easily put her in a rank currently cause of the investment cost but once you have everything she needs you just use her exalted forever and never run out of energy
I think Voruna in A makes sense? Free crit multiplication and condition overload with her 2 plus default status immunity and stealth plus speed in the same button. Am i weird for thinking A is fair?
Not weird at all. Especially after her aug dropped and she got a slight rework to her 3, she completely earns that A-tier spot lol
Ive casually used her in multiple bits of content on HIGH sp lvls with armor stacked units. In sp circuit, if shes present i dont even have to worry about having good modded weapons as the sheer quantity of multiplied slash damage she deals makes everything beyond i guess nullifiers fall over like a slice of bread.
Been maining Banshee for 8 or 9 years now. I still dont understand why she is so hated :(
I'm assuming that most players just take the easy path (like Rev or Hyldryn) as it requires much less effort to survive with them. Mastering Banshee for high level play is such a satisfying experience though. Also hitting the games damage cap with a drop kick (sonar) is pretty amusing too xD
fr my dude. people just want to play the game on mega easy mode.
Happy to hear Yareli is B tier now. Watched last years' tier list not that long ago and was sad to see her in C.
Dear gods, the sass!
This made me chuckle many times.
Itzal at S is proof this is voted on by people who haven't played in 7 years
More like people that know what the best archwing for open worlds is
Oh boy I sure do love my S tier Voidrig dying instantly in steel path!
Because he's has budget iron skin for rhino and broken ability can much mesa insane damage so the tier list considering mech as a frame make no sense at all
the void rig can be deployed in railjack all open world maps except duviri the lua thrax farms and all the lab missions and gets one part in the new war story line
I dont understand why does everyone underestimates Banshee and Nyx so much. Banshee with a sonar spamm build can turn any SP mission into earth lv 5-10 and when it comes to Nyx, she is basically Revenant 2.0 if you augment her.
Also, I personally use elemental ward. It gives a crazy reload speed buff, which works super well with Tonkor/Mirage. :p
Because Nyx is diet Rev, Pillage rev does everything Nyx does but better, much better. She just does it worse. And Banshee will die if an enemy sneezes in her general direction
Edit: Thought to say, being diet Rev means you are still pretty damn good. I love Nyx, but she is just worse than Rev
@@vfrostbane225 Pillage requires 400% power strength in order to strip 100% shields iirc. Anything below that will never completely stip corpus units. Tharros strike is imo much better option.
Anyways... Nyx unlike Rev, doesn't have to recast her ability in order to stay immortal and can strip all enemy defenses with her dafault kit, which opens a lot of options when it comes to helminth system. Wrathful Advance Nyx for example is crazy op. I can agree wtih Rev being better but putting Nyx in C/D/F tiers is simply criminal.
@@mateuszkusz5593 Pillage Threshold is incredibly easy to hit on Rev, and his Survivability is super easy to upkeep as it doesnt prevent energy Regen and still lasts a good while no matter what and cares about exactly nothing except for ability Disables which Nyx also suffers to. I will agree with you though, i think Nyx is super slept on and is atleast a B or even Low A.
@@mateuszkusz5593 she can hit 1 enemy with her mind control and 6 dudes with her stripping ability (in a horde shooter) and her ult locks you in place, in a game where movement is important
@@ruifaria8871 She can move around with her ult. Read my comment again.
I agree, wf is a horde shooter but more often than not u don't strip trash mobs... 6 targets at a time is more than enough.
Her 1 is a free ability slot bud. Wrathful Advance is perfect for her, I think.
The Vauban hate is crazyyyy
When you don't know how to play something that isn't intensely meta, you're gonna think it's bad. See Vauban, Limbo, Oberon
@@kinsan89 I love me some Vauban, most played frame, I feel criminally underrated sometimes
@@kinsan89 rofl
@@kinsan89my guy oberon is just bad
I used to despise Yareli. Then I gave her a real shot... I honestly think Yareli is great if you spend the time to learn k-drive, her built right with a good secondary like sporelacer is absolutely mind boggling. Hop off and reapply roar every minute and you're nearly unkillable (not revenant level, who else is? lol), super mobile, have persistent crowd control options and you make secondaries go WILD with merulina guardian. She's now my go-to for most missions. She's crazy good.
"Did you come in with Revanant?". I died at that statement.
One question, why are you picking on Vauban? He’s just a wittle guy.
The Voruna glazing is crazy
Yeah voruna is arguably the number one best melee frame in the game, on top of still being good for non melee builds cause of her fangs of raksh alone. The only comparable one would be kullervo but his op melee ability is hemlithable so you can literally just stick it on her. Tbh overframe’s rating is pretty parallel to his: Generally accurate, but with a couple what the actual fucks
@@silentreaper5805I'm saying voruna is overrated
overrated how? she's literally the best melee frame in the game n is easily A tier
Wait, is overframe overlay still legal to use after the EULA changes?
Oh yeah, did we ever get a 2024 Brozime Tierlist
Trinity may be old but she can eat up high tier content with no issue at all.
As a Trinity user I can totally agree with this. She's not as fun to play for most people but I like her.
You could also switch her 1 with banshee's silence which is good for both normal and eximus enemies
She just needs her ult augment fixed for real and her durations x3 to be on par with all the better long duration buffer frames and healers
@@SpecialJess2On par? She’s arguably the best support any can pretty much one shot any enemy at any level
if we take into consideration that trinity's focus is being a supportive healer, and the fact that she can restore 100% of ur health in just a button press, and give a shit ton of energy too, she deff is an S tier frame, an s tier healer for sure, maybe not used in recent times bc of the direction of recent gamemodes but yeah
problem is trin no longer brings much value to a team compared to the old days. wellspring exists, equilibrium no longer requires you to have health conversion to enable it, protea helminth exists, etc. the energy economy is simply no longer a concern to most players. now that shield gate meta is in place healing isn't that important either. the types of players that would have those sorts of concerns won't have access to trin because she drops off ambulas all the way in pluto and farming aya for prime access is something best done in tier 5 deimos bounties which you would be well past the need for trin for if you could do them quickly and consistently so trin prime isn't a viable option for beginners either irrespective of availability.
Watching him repeatedly forget that votes never reset on Overframe and then getting confused on why the tiers are super outdated is killing me. Overframe lets you filter builds by the version they were made on, I really wish they'd let you do the same for the tierlist.
Hey! I doubt anyone will see this BUT I’m a MR 21 player that took a 5 year break from the game until cross save dropped. I’ve been using this site for the last month but am happy to hear something from a knowledgeable source. So thank you, it’s so hard to find knowledge from the community on this game I swear lol.
The website is pretty decent for finding builds, but the tierlist is flawed, so don't rely on it for finding good frames/weapons.
just don’t trust the tier lists. overframe DOES have a few decent build creators you can pull from though (ninjase namely has some cool builds, i dig his revenant build)
FINALLY somebody adresses this 🤣 very entertaining!
I don't think vauban is nearly as bad as you're saying he is, might be that you haven't built to his strengths in a while but he plays just fine in any level of content really, he's just a nest builder and not great for moving around too much so his use cases are specific
that's a great frame for camping, which is the most played game mode
pretty sure Brozime's build for Vauban is negative strength, max range. Which is absolutely not how you should play vauban, lol. Vauban's best ability modifier is strength, as it makes his bastille, flechette, and overdriver really good. Also tesla nervos is good, cheap crowd control that follows you around to keep you alive
@@tanuki9691 I think the common argument is "why CC when you can just kill everyone?" I love Vauban, especially Bastille but murder and survival is priority for most people. Personally I prefer really active builds and frames but 99% of people out there just want an easy skill-free existence
@@NickHunter yes but, as I was saying, Brozime does not understand *how* to build Vauban. Because his CC is heavily focused on giving you the ability to deal damage. His passive boosts your damage a ton on anything that's CCed, and you NEED to build him with high strength (Brozime builds him with negative strength to maximize range). Sacrificing strength for range makes Vauban as bad as Brozime claims he is, because it makes him unable to kill anything. Flechette orb is one of the highest damaging abilities in the game because it scales with level, so high strength keeps it at a high damage all the time. Also, Bastille strips armor WAY faster with high strength. And overdriver is Rhino roar if it stacked with Rhino roar. You can literally subsume roar onto him and it stacks with overdriver, AND his passive!
@@NickHunter This is a fair argument, but his kill speed is pretty great actually, his CC is just an enabler. He's similar to new Hydroid in that way. I'm by no means saying he's one of the best frames in the game! But he's definitely not one of the worst, his worst sin is just being a little clunky. It's just weird that brozime ranks him so low when his normal testing method is camping a tight hallway in SP kuva fortress survival, which is something a properly built vauban excels at lmao.